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America's new god is money. People worship this paper and devote their life to it. In this process, they sometimes abandon God. We are all somewhat guilty of this.

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I think America's new god is impurity and s**.
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Your right it is just sad America used to say in God we trust..but now i dont even were that went
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It is on our currency. People don't actually say that.
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Ya they do.. Or they did..
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How many people actually said that in a conversation?
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They say "It's in God's hands" but I agree that in those hands is money with the words "In God We Trust"
I have often said those words belong on our money as our new god.
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Money isn't God. People don't worship it, they just want it really bad. Let's stick to what 'worship' really means, which is religious. Between God and money, though, I'd rather worship money. It at least exists and actually is useful. God does nothing. Go ahead and ask it something. No response. No action. Because like ghosts and magic, there's nothing there.
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are you just curious?

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because we have a freedom of religion, so a lot of atheists or people who worship other gods move here.

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Atheists need no freedom of religion because they have none. There belief is the complete absence of any powers that be.
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So.
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I've learned from my discussions with many Christians on this site that technically Christianity isn't a religion either.
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now I'm curious; what do you mean by this? (truly, no accusations, hard feelings, or anything else, but truly curious what you or others mean)
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Well, there are some non-denoms that say that Christianity is a personal relationship with God, and since this is something they see as totally unique, it is not a religion. I think they are splitting hairs, personally, but that's what they say.
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Actually, lala below is one such Christian I have met.
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I think religion is a system of beliefs that doesn't necessarily include deities. Take Buddhism. No gods, but they have religious rules and beliefs. They also believe in reincarnation. Some call such systems not religions but "philosophies" along with, say, Confucianism. I think Christianity is supposed to be a personal relationship with God but is also considered a religion. And I think atheism is no belief in supernatural beings. They also tend to not have religious rules either, so safe to say it isn't a religion but a kind of belief system in the natural world (what they can sense).
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Has anyone ever thought that most people have the same reaction to things? People who study science (not scientology) assume that the things we were taught in elementary school, such as earthquakes, clouds, and terrain, were accepted by everyone, that everyone agreed that it was billions of years that shaped this land and created these cycles. People who live in relgion assume that most people pray to something and accept something's love and that most science is whooey. Are we all just reacting the way we were taught, or are people actually putting thought into other peoples' words? Most people react to religous bigots by trying to stay calm and shooting down statements. Do non-religous unwittingly act like bigots with their science-talk, causing the religous to get righteous? (notice "righteous", not angry.)

My point is, atheists and science-majors shouldn't immediately shoot down ideas; that shows narrow minds and desparate conviction in statements. Deeply religous shouldn't start throwing quotes around, expecting everyone to jump up and "fear God"; that also shows a narrow mind, and that maybe this religion isn't as concrete as previously thought.
It sounds like a throwback to the 70s, but cooperate and maybe we'll find the meaning of life (42).
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Because some of Americans have different religions like iranian Americans

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People from Iran are typically Muslim... They believe in God.
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They believe in a god, but not the Christian God. I think it is called Abraham and their prophet is called Muhammad. Not the same as Christianity at all. And be careful not to piss them off! Some are extremely vengeful.
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Because 1) they don't want to think they might ultimately be held accountable and 2) many don't want to believe that there is anything greater than themselves.

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OH MY GOSH, thank you for that. Now I can actually phrase what I believe into words to my Atheist friends.
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On the contrary. Not believing in god(s) leaves all responsibility on you.
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Finally someone who realizes that Rmoran.
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Rmoran. Not true. I don't know where this belief by many that believing on the GOD of the universe absolves us of personal responsibility comes from but it's simply not true. It is precisely because we know HIM that we are held to even a higher personal responsibility.
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All I said was we can't blame anyone but ourselves without any god(s) in the mix.
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While I take exception to the reference to god(s), I do agree with you that it is our responsibility to have (or not have) GOD in our lives.
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I believe what Rmoran means is a person who is not religious will have only their own conscience, rationality, and morality to drive them in their actions in life. They have to actively consider the world around them, and make the difficult decisions of what is right and what is not.

Most religious individuals, on the other hand, simply get their morality from whatever their religious leader tells them. They give it no personal thought, and actively avoid anything that causes them to question what they have been told.

Thus, if a non-religious person's actions are either good or bad, it is completely due to their own choices. If a religious person's actions are good or bad... well, it wasn't really their choice to begin with, was it? It was the choice of their religious leader... and, thus, the choice of their chosen god; which, by a faulty form of logic defaults to absolutely right even if everything points to it being wrong.
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That's why there is so much killing in the name of religion, and why religion is so dangerous. It should never be okay for people to blindly follow anything. Left to their own opinions, people are naturally pretty good to each other. Throw in religion and you get holy wars and crusades. Even if you consider wars by nations (world wars, the American civil war, Vietnam wars), I think that most of the soldiers in those wars didn't wanna be there and didn't wanna kill people. The governments made people fight using propaganda, lies, patriotic duty, and most of all, the idea of group effort. Religions are groups too, and are also susceptible to viral, negative and evil ideas being passed to its members. I will always believe the earth would be better if all religion was removed. Then people would make their own minds and be responsible for themselves instead of being force fed a group's fantasies.
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That is where we can agree JonnyDoe.
My "creedo" is John Lennon's song "Imagine". Most people simply can't because they refuse to think for themselves. A young man in the military actually described the song as communism. Grrrrrrrr !!!!!!!!!
But on the definition of the word worship.....a man can worship anything. It does not have to be defined as toward a "god" but that which one would devote one's ethics/morals/actions/heart/etc.
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I worship my iPhone, or so my wife says. LOL yeah, I agree with you too. Sting has lyrics as well: "Men go crazy in congregations. They only get better one by one." I think that most people, if left to themselves, are basically the same. We want to be included, accepted, loved, cared for, and want to give as well. I am not religious and I want these things. So they are not dependent on religion. They naturally lead to happiness. Part of just being human.
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People think God is just like a lie like Santa or the tooth fairy

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true... i wish that i knew what they were thinking...
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At least people eventually realize that Santa isn't real.
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Santa's not real? No....NO!!!
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Now you are getting it!!! Exactly like Santa and the tooth fairy!
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i feel the same way! just look at my profile pic! well anyways i wish i knew and it is very unfourtinate! there are so many reasons why especially withmy surroundings in vegas! yea hard to find signs of God here :( but just keep ur faith and help others find him :)

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I just moved from Vegas a year ago to Rhode Island and what a difference. Very few churches in Vegas and surrounded with churches here. The 15 yrs I lived there I learned why they call it sin city. So happy my son got his kids out of there.
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I agree comepletly! Sin city is completely appropriate for this city but at my church we have a mission to abolish that name which is quite the challenge :(
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and i go to Bishop Gorman a catholic school and nobody is religious there and one of my freinds who goes there is Jewish! which i have nothing against them since my grandmother is Jewish but still...
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So, what gnon-Jews go to Jewish schools. The education is the most important aspect of a school.
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Well that could have been proof read. Insert ? after what. Delete g. Capitalize n..
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You do live in a religiously destitute area; but I adamantly believe God's people are still in abundance. Personally, it seems to me that so many who profess Christianity are so judgmental and bitter; maybe these are some of the first hearts we should look at.
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1/7 of the world's population is Christian. Keep that in mind. Two large continents are not Christian for the most part : Asia and Africa. The most average person is Chinese the most average person will soon be Indian. Are you so ignorant as to believe that the world is mostly Christian, when only a little over 2/7 of the world's population follows a monotheistic religion? Most aren't bitter.
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Good point, tf! American's are spoiled as a nation, and American Christians are among the most spoiled. They will settle for nothing less than total, uncontested dominance over the nation's hearts and minds.
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very true many people are christian ic think that people mean to o good and those who are turning away from God, well we just have to remember to help those people fin him again, not saying we must force them into our beleifes we just have to guide them and let them decide what is best for them :)
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102998benavides: Don't you DARE push your beliefs on others!!!! Helping people find God is a euphemism for brainwashing and control. Let people think what they want.

"we just have to guide them and let them decide what is best for them" Or, just leave them alone. Your guidance is nothing short of trying to convince them that your beliefs are true. You wanna help people? Leave them alone. People are their best when they discover their own path.
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You are so emphatic about how religion is a worldwide scam; I'm wondering your views on more scandalous media issues like gay marriage.
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Sorry, what was that?
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There's nothing scandalous about it. When is it scandalous for two people who love each other to commit themselves to each other?
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Think about what the media has made everything out to be. I also have no problem with it, but media has blown it out of proportion. I'm glad that you have an open mind but there are enough people angry about it that it'll never become acceptable.
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i am sorry if i affended anybody but i said that we should not force anybody just help them if they are lost there is no problem with learning about other religions and getting to know them better and if they want to change then fine they can but i will never force them! like my grandma she was jewish and met the love of her life who happend to be christan and she swithed religion ofcourse after some disscussion and consideration...
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Yes, you see that is the thing you assume that we are lost. Other religions say that you are wrong. You aren't infallible. You are just as likely to be correct in your beliefs as the next guy. That is the point. If you really want to make sure that people have the best chance, research all religions, find the one with the worst punishment for non-believers, and preach that one. This way if you convert people you have made sure that they will not suffer the worst known case scenario.
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Because people have opinions, and they are scared of the idea of something so powerful...

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Think of society and how everyone looks at sinful word before they make a decision its an opinion base on what society thinks everyone should be but not everyone can be. Isn't that rong? So why base it off people who are so cruel and sinfull.
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Religious people are scared. Scared of becoming nothing after death. Scared of being punished for not believing in a god. Scared of going through life on their own. Take away religion and religious people won't leave their homes.
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I think is because we are creating better technology like laptops, video games ,clubs etc.. And no one feels like going to church

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Laziness is why. America is a lazy nation.
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Most people who believe in only one god do NOT attend a church and are NOT Christian. Most of the world is polytheistc, sorry.
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Most are polytheistic? No..?
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Where did you find information stating most of the world is polytheistic. This was the case thousands of years ago, not so much anymore. Don't get me wrong, polytheism is out, albeit in very small numbers comparatively.
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It hasn't. America has become more diverse and more advanced. 1/7 of humans are Christian, 1/7 are Muslim, and 1/7 are Hindi. These numbers are approximate. Also, religions formed to explain things that society wasn't advanced enough to understand, as our understanding increases, reliance on religion to explain the inexplicable decreases.

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More than 1/7 are Christians. There are 1.2 billion Catholics and at least 500 million Christians of the Protestant persuasion, so that is more like 2/7 of the world population.
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35% claim belief in the Christian God. I Googled it. tf4e3 is correct. Historical books are overrun with religions based on not-knowing and making stuff up. Actually, all religions are based on making things up. An intelligent person cannot claim their religion is true when all others throughout history are wrong, especially when there are no fundamental differences in their structure. Deities don't exist. Life after death doesn't make sense. There are no hauntings or ghosts or psychics. All made up. If any were actually true, that truth would change all people's belief systems overnight and be the most noted discovery ever. Yet here we are, in a world that has tons of religions, gods, and beliefs. Not one religion because we finally found "the one". I wonder why people never tire of the endless circle of religions and how they claim the same thing. I am tired of it. I quit a while ago.
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35% is over a third, not a seventh. was this in USA?
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No, I was referring to the entire world. The numbers I gave are accurate to the best of my knowledge. There are over 7 billion people on the planet. In a few ears the most average person will be Hindi. Because China is Communist, the most average person is currently Atheist.
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wow, I really killed my credability there...
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No, you didn't. You made a statement that I didn't bring up because, while I don't support the arithmetic, mentioning it isn't the best way to go. How I figured this was from my world history textbook last year. The three religions previously mentioned all had approx. 1 billion followers. We now have approx. 7 billion people. 1 divided by 7=1/7 or approx. 14%
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Cain and Able thought the same way until it was too late.

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It's never too late.
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They either never existed or were as brainwashed as the rest of religious folk.
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Because liberals want all god out of everything. This country was founded on a Ju-cristian society. I agree that we have freedom of religion and embrace it. But to have society delete religion is crazy

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.....yep......I was gonna say that but...I'm glad someone else had the same thought..
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This country was founded because 1/3 of people living here didn't like being under the rule of the English king and parliment and won a war. The colonies were founded to increase the power and wealth of the English Monarchy.
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How is society deleting religion? Seriously, what specifically is society doing to restrict religious freedom in any way? Prayer in school? I prayed in school every day, and no one stopped me. Not posting the 10 Commandments? What, you don't know them?
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This nation was NOT founded on any religion, the first 5 presidents and Lincoln were not Christian they were Deists. Only a hand full of the signers of the declaration were Christian.
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people forget that our founding fathers were all very good christian men and each and every one of them studied the bible and seedy3 george washington did his work based on the christian reeligon and he went to church every sunday so did thomas jefferson!
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Well, I know there's a strong revisionist history movement right now to paint the FF's as devoted Christians, and they seem to have unearthed quotes of many of them professing Christian faith, but such pursuits reek of bias and ulterior motives. To be fair, so do the pursuits of people like me who say otherwise, but the fact is, none of us were there, and we can't go back in time and ask them. One thing is for sure: nowhere in the Constitution or the D of I does it say that the U.S. is a Christian nation, and I'm pretty certain the FF's would have been very clear about that if they were as devout as the revisionists would have us believe. When they spoke of God, it is a big arrogant and presumptuous jump to assume they meant YHWH. The supposition they were deists is much more likely. As I've said many times before: Christianity does NOT own the trademark on the word or the concept of God.
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And furthermore, I wouldn't use the FF's as paragon's of Christian virtue, unless slave-owning (and fornicating!), sexist hypocrites are your idea of what a Christian should be:
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Country was founded on secularism. Look it up!!! Actually research these ideas. You WILL find that the founding fathers were not religious. Really, Google it right now. I did. Found out the truth from historians. Just another way the church has twisted history to gain and keep followers. Churches are evil in my eyes because they mask truth for their own purposes.
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The FFs were not religious men!!! Geez, look it up!!!!!
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Serious??? Wow. Special needs for you lol
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Serious?? That's your rebuttal? You either have no argument, or are not very confident in it. Little tip: if you want to talk some big trash, either back it up or do what I thought you were doing and run away.
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He is using ad hominum style argument. While it fails to address the issue, humans are illogical and most are not that bright. They are easily drawn away from a logical point and persuaded by mudslinging.
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Freedom of Religion and choice.
Besides, America's not America if everyone's the same.

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I'm sorry, but your implication is simply wrong. Most Americans are still some form of Christian. I think the real issue you're trying to press here is, "why is god-talk not appearing in every single corner of American life?" For me, this is not a bad thing.

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My turn: Right on man!
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there is only ONE GOD and he is the true God the Living God! this country was founded on CHRISTIANS! Because they wanted to do what God put them here for! God made man in his own image.. God put us here so we can worship him and love HIM he wants to use you and me to not only make the world a better place but to show how great HE IS.. though we have the faith to move mountians and undarstand all things and have not love we are nothing. look GOD IS LOVE HE wants us all to understand that.. he sent his son to die for us so we can spend eternity with him because Hell is real And I know without a shadow of a doubt that I'm not going to live eternally in hell and burn forever.. Hell was not created for man but was created for Satan and his followers and as this country falls into the devils little sceams they WILL burn in hell... God gives us a choice and it's up to all of us to choose the right one. God is no longer allowed in school God isn't in the lives of many people and just so you know this is NOT GOOD God should be in everything because even though others treat God badly He is always there for them and will never leave them nore forsake them... if the would only reapent of their sins and follow after him (not saying it would be easy!) He will forgive them and bless them .. I will stand up for my GOD For HE IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE! noone may come to the Father except through Him!
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I'm not sure if your trying to start a conversation on all the details you've just written above. What you have written appears to be a one-sided conversation.
It's true that the early U.S. was started by various colonial Christians. The Puritans were notorious for their use of capital punishment on those dissenting from their ways. Quakers, in particular, were provided the death penalty thanks to this spirit of fanatical religious extremism. I certainly hope that you and your god do not approve of this wretched level of morality.
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RamBam: Seek help. You are a fanatic like the Muslim suicide bombers (not all Muslims are like that!!). Everyone, this is an example of extreme brainwashing. This guy is NUTS! I usually like to mess with such religious folk, but seriously, dude, you scare me. I'd start a debate with you, noting that all religions everywhere are false, fairy tales, especially Christianity. I'd ask you to prove your convictions with historical facts. I'd love to banter back and forth. But I'd be afraid you'd rip through my computer screen and strangle me like a Crusader of long ago. People like you are dangerous. Please stay home. And don't hurt anyone because they think your ideas are ridiculous. Geez.
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JonnyDoe: Step back. You are a fanatic in the opposite views of other fanatics. Reread every comment to someone whose views are different than yours.
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Not a fanatic. I just can't understand why, when historians have disproved so much about the historical "fact" of passages in the Bible, people ignore them and still think it is truth. ALso, I just found out how mean and vengeful people and God were in the Old Testament. People are okay with God committing genocide and ordering men to fight wars and murder non-believers. Yet God is good? EXPLAIN!
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RamBam is an extremist. What he wants is oppressive. This country was founded on the right to religious freedom. He can believe what he wants, but he believes that schools should be religious. Reread his comment. That is wrong. If he wants to go to a religious school fine, but the public schools are public.
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I don't think it's that so many people have turned away from God at least in their hearts. So many non believers are coming out from the shadows that what they're saying and doing is standing out more so then what the believers say or do. I'm very thankful for one thing even though man can't see the hearts of people and the love they have for God. God can see our hearts and knows our love.

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absolutely correct :) i wish there were more people like you :)
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God does not exist. And your ideas of a fake god's characteristics is vanity, that you or anyone would have a clue as to its ideas.
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Maybe God does exist, but completely wrong from what we have come to believe...
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What has made you believe "most" Americans have turned away from God? Im not certain this is a factual statement. I am curious, however, how you've arrived at this notion?

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I will respond for him. Statistics. I've read books on atheism that document case studies done in the past 20 years regarding peoples' level of faith and religious conviction. All showed that more and more people are stopping going to church, not reading their religious books, and basically not practicing their beliefs with their respective groups. They say they still believe in the same way a person claims he is a democrat or republican. That's only when they vote or argue, but otherwise they ignore it. It is a definite trend. In England, religion is basically at the same level as going to a movie. It's entertainment or something to do sometimes. Can't imagine it is different here. I have many friends who are Christians but don't go to church except on holidays. I never go because I am an atheist and know religion is stupid.
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While there have been quite a few who have disbanded their religous beliefs, I do not believe it to be accurate to say "most" of America has turned away from god. Just because someone does not go to church, doesn't mean that they are not religious in nature. I for one do believe in god, although I do not go to church. I use to, but no longer do as I have been turned off. The reasons are many. The few worth mentioning would be 1. I do not agree with mans interpretation of the bible 2. Church has become somewhat of a show for some. I.e. those who attend wearing their finest wear and jewelry it's pretty ridiculous when you try to imagine the original Christ followers.
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I agree that the bible has been interpreted in so many different ways it's hard to go to church and be told to believe it in one particular way. What the bible means to me is probably different than what you believe and what any one else for that matter. The message is similar but NOT the same. For example: verses in the bible talking about man committing adultery means to me that even just looking at a woman with lust while you have a girl friend or are married is committing adultery. Of course, it's in a male's genes to be attracted to the female and God understands and will forgive you. But it's different if you watch porn for that can be prevented and therefore you are committing adultery. (This issue can and will be debated by many and I find it to be a personal issue more than a moral one. I was just giving examples of my beliefs.)
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Has anyone realized that, except for the question and a bad response, harry_boy hasn'd said anything?
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I don't accept the premises of your question. If anything, studies show that Americans are more religious now than they were 30 years ago. The US is the developed country with the highest fraction of people not believing in evolution, and accepting biblical literalism.

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Non-belief in America has doubled in the past 10 years. Most are still religious, but that's on the decline.
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Well who's fault is that? You want people to believe: Stop being a$$h***s and have a worship-worthy god! Again, what's that I hear?...
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The studies shown to you were most likely enfluenced by those who whould want you to believe thier own beliefs.May I suggest making your own study.
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it's not about religion is about christianity! it is a faith a one on one relationship with God the Father
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I've been trying to tell them the same thing. It's about you and your savior.
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Lala, what do you need a savior for?
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Many people are becoming atheists because they are realizing all religions throughout time are the same: based on fairy tales. No difference between Greeks, Romans, Norse, Aztec, African, Muslim, or any other religions. All made up by men.
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You just set yourself up for the oldest joke in the world, JonnyDoe! "all made up by men", so they must be wrong! lmao you so funny!
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Yes, all are wrong. Can't all be right. Turns out none are. Men have a propensity to make tons of stuff up. Religion and especially deities are the biggest, and cause most harm to the human race.
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I don't want to hurt my own gender by saying this, but it could be comforting to women in times of pain. Instead of trying to kill their husbands during childbirth, they can yell at their god. I would like to add, though, that it was because of men that women were so persecuted and treated so low that all they could do was yell at this fake deity.
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Because their lost

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Because they are waking up.
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You, sir, are my hero
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I don't think that's accurate. Although proliferation of immoral activities seem to be increasing, I believe that religion in America is alive and very well.

Your question was very good. Gives me another subject to explore. Thank You.

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I can't speak for America but personally being raised religious and having gone to church every Sunday for years and years it was the people of faith that killed it for me. I find the church and it's followers to be self righteous hippocrates. They look down their nose at you and judge you. So for me if I'm going to be judged that way I may as well live how I want, believe what I want and care less what anyone thinks. I'm far happier since I left the church behind. Maybe just me but that's my opinion.

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Oh, it is not just your opinion, it's a fact.
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Im happy for you.I hope your sundays are now spent doing something usefull.
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My Sunday's as every other day is spent exactly how I want. I live to make me and my family happy. I deal with my day to day living my way and be spiritual my way and if get judged for that then thats others problem, NOT some stupid church judging me! Only ONE will judge my life! End of story.
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Exactly. Churches are factories for mass delusions. People are lead by fear and false deities into their halls, being brainwashed and set free to spread their virus of stories and myths. If I could, I'd outlaw them.
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Like what colddeadfingers said its definately because of liberals and them changing society to make religion seem wrong and so many people have to be in the crowd of society. Honestly i dont know why you would want to be a cruel person like them.

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First of all: Jesus was a liberal. Second of all, no liberal turned me off to Christianity. The smug, self-righteous hypocrites hiding their bigotries behind their God did that. In the words of Radiohead: "You do it to yourselves, and that's what really hurts."
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To break it down it is just because people tell you free country do what ever you beleive in and people feel that oh wait im free so should i be an american and start beleiving in other things?! people potray a message as to do whatever u want!
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Exactly, so blaming liberals is convenient and lame.
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Education, proper reasoning, and general rational thought.
And it's definitely not most..

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Totally!
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JonnyDoe
You are right. The most intelligent people in the world gave up believing in religion a long time ago. Seems the more you learn and understand about the world, the more ridiculous religion and deities appear.
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My opinion, its not that most of America has turned away from God; its that with technology, social networks and such negative people have even more means of spreading their negativity. Unfortunatly there always have been and always will be, people who choose to be bad; its just a fact. I believe God is still with the majority of us and his words will prevail. : )

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I like your answer.
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Thanks! : )
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People use those tools to spread their religious beliefs too. Sword cuts both ways.
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That blasted internet is always advancing knowledge and ideas. We should probably do something to stop it. It's what Jesus would want. "Take no thought for tomorrow". :p
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Yeah, destroy knowledge, science, truth. Live in delusion. Why not also lead the charge against other religions? I say kill everyone that doesn't believe as you do. Holy wars! That's the ticket! Been there a long time ago. Your thinking leads us in the wrong direction. You need to become extinct before you start your spree.
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Define negativity. If you mean "don't believe in religion", you are right. If you mean dispersing hatred, lies, and causing havoc, then do NOT remove religious people from that. People have been killing for their religions forever. Some people are just mean. Has nothing to do with religion.
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Because people have found that god doesn't exist.

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You cant find out that he doesnt exist because theres no proof of anything else that could have made the earth they are all just theorys still
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How does one "find that God doesn't exist"?
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Surferchick, exactly how does one "find there is no God"?
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I gotta agree with dk on this one.
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in support of surfergrrl may I suggest Gods absence is a little suspicious
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JonnyDoe
It is all based on probability. Is it more probable that man has been making stuff up since the beginning, including hundreds of religions and gods and myths and ghosts and Bigfoot and sea monsters and fairies and telepathy and astrology, and the current religions are just next in line for all that - just more of the same? Or is it more probable that man, a long time ago, stumbled on supernatural beings somehow, made up and completely believed in tons of them which today we know never existed; and one day the next prophet in line, Jesus, turned out to be the actual creator of the universe? Answer: it is more probably that following man's long history of making things up, Jesus was just next in line, a long line of people claiming supernaturality, followed by more people doing the same thing. Why did people pick him to believe? Why not replace it with Scientology? People believe in that. God is absent because God was never here.
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Because not everyone is christian....

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Thank you musicismylife3 for pointing that out.
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Well it all started when they took prayer out of schools which I think was crazy and they should never have done such a thing. Because they took prayer out of school kids realized that they didn't have to be Christian and started doing bad things. But I pray that they will put prayer back in school and that this nation will turn to Jesus, because it needs to and we should all just pray that it happens soon.

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That's right! Screw the Jewish, Hindu, and Muslim kids!
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Exactly
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What? What are you talking about. I can't tell if your agreeing or disagreeing.
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Separation of church and state. Keep it up!
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Strange, but maybe good, idea: instead of ALSO TAKING AWAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE for the use of God, replace the word "God" with the leader of your religion. i.e. Buddha: Buddha, Muslim: Allah, atheist: "the sky"... etc. The separation of church and state has gone so far as to affect patriotism. That, I believe, is the real threat.
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Religion should always be kept separate from everything because people are mostly intolerant. I like to argue and debate (why I am posting) but I don't go to bed plotting the downfall of religion. If people just kept their beliefs to themselves, we'd have a much peaceful world. Men go crazy in large groups. Religious groups are no exception.
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nj3000, how do you think that would be for those of us with other religions, how about we teach schools in the ways of Buddists, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, are some other religion. Are you OK with that? Yeah, I thought not. You are a terrible hypocrite, but you don't see it. Think about what you are really saying. Send your kids to private school if you don't like it, bigot.
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And for the record, I was disagreeing. Get your sarcasm detector serviced. And when was prayer taken out of school? I prayed every day in school, and no one stopped me. And my school even had a Bible study group that met every morning. Any school could start an extra curricular program like that, and get approved public funding to pray in school! There's just no pleasing you Xians until every knee is bent by coercion and fiat!
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I don't know how recent your school experiences are (your picture indicates that it wasn't last year), but I did just graduate last year. The very last experience I have of religion in school that wasn't just a choir song was when I went to a Christian private school in second grade. There is no more religion in school except choir songs.
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Whaa, Whaa, Whaa! "Oh no! I want to live in a country where I have the freedom to worship whatever deity I choose while denying others the same right. Is that so wrong?" This country is not turning away from God. Organized religion (read Christianity) is a multi-billion-dollar industry that pays no taxes. It didn't get there because people were turning away from it. Wait, what's that? Did I just hear a Cosmic "Duh!"? Oh, and for all of you griping about technology being to blame (while you USE technology to voice your complaints) I'd just like to point out that technology is the best friend God ever had. What better way to "spread the word"? People can download the Bible for FREE on many different mobile devices in EVERY TRANSLATION and with Google-worthy search options. What's the next bogus religioso gripe going to be? And one last thing: stop beating around the bush and say "YHWH". You couldn't care less if people turned away from Vishnu or Ganesh. You do know that Christianity doesn't own the trademark on the word "God", right? It doesn't even own the trademark on the God it worships. Praise be to the Flying Spaghetti Monster! May all the infidels boil for eternity while remaining al dente!

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DUUUUUUHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Why are churches so elaborate?
Can't they get the same message across in a field or a regular size building?
We have the Crystal Cathedral out here. It very much resembles Jor-El's ice castle!
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But Yos, they NEED that stadium seating and state-of-the-art sound system!
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And the Sistine Chapel and Rome NEEDS all that gold on their buildings!
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Rees. Wow, I can't really tell who's wining loudest. Lol
You make some good points regarding the popular "American Christianity" goes. I'm honestly glad God (yes Yahweh...or however you want to try and transliterate that "word") can use a self proclaimed non-believer such as yourself to correct His "Church". In one sense I don't appreciate your apparent cynicism, yet I honestly thank you for your answer just the same. Thank you (no sarcasm)!
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You're welcome:) And no sarcasm there either. I just loathe disingenuousness in all it's forms, and the fact that I am calling everyone out is a complement. Obviously, I think them intelligent enough to see their hypocrisy. They wouldn't be this indignant if the rights of non-Christians were threatened, and they know it. And these claims of rights being taken away....PLEASE!!
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Oh I believe very firmly in my religion but I respect others
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Not hating on tech. its just a fact that we are exposed more to others way of thinking or at least how they portray their beliefs. But goodness knows I wouldn't want to be guilty of misinterpreting someone's words.
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Preach on brother Rees, may the FSM touch you with his noodly appendages.
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May the great FSM grant sauce for EVERYONE'S noodles !!!!!
And green for their thumbs
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Oh bless-ed be thy sauce!!!!!!
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Does "al dente" mean "with teeth?"
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@ jkgarrett:
It means "to the tooth". In pasta terms if refers to pasta that is firm, but not hard.
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No
It means soft yet firm to the bite
Not hard not squishy
LoL
I don't know how else to say it.
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Hail, Brother Rees. May his noodliness bless and comfort you.

But your 'Christianity doesn't own the trademark on the word "God"' is a classic and has gone straight into my list of memorable Ask quotes.
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Ok. I understand in the context of boiling. I knew "al" was "to the," but it didn't make sense without the pasta reference.
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jkgarrett: he is referring to the following:

Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster
www.venganza.org/
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Al dente simply means that the pasta should remain slightly firm, a little chewy, and not just mush.
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Kind of like, "sweeten to taste." Though I must say, boiling while remaining al dente sounds more like punishment of a perfect person that punishment of one remaining unrepentant. But who am I to question His Noodleness?
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:/, strike the "I" in my last comment!
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Sorry David, all removed. No idea what you said. I hope you weren't insulting His Noodleness!
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That's 3 strikes DK. Yooou're out! :)
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Yeah, baseball is ALMOST HERE!!!
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Dang! I missed quite an exchange! What did dk say?
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No one knows. DK is the only one that saw it.
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David, send it to me on Facebook, I'll relay it here :)
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I guess it was offensive! Gees idk. I honestly didn't conceive of it in a perverse way. I feel embarrassed now :( oh well.
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Rm, yup three strikes, them be the rules. Lol
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Don't feel embarrassed. No one saw what it was :0)
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David was trying to say that the FSM was punishing him with a glitching phone. He brought a curse upon himself, as his single statement was posted 3x and instantly modded out. Ask filtered it automatically because it interpreted the moisture in the pasta as a sexual term when combined with the punitive action of the FSM.
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That's freakin' hilarious! Wish I could have read it the first time, but it's almost funnier having been deleted by the auto-mod.
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Jk. Ha ha, that pretty well sums it up. I thing we've better all convert from the FSM to AMS (Ask Moderators)! They clearly are the true pantheon....dang it, and I thought there was only one true God! He he he ;)
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*think
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The mods didn't even get a chance with this one. It was auto-botted. The mods are impotent. Worship his autobottedness. Mods can only dream of living up to his standards.
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Good one!
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Awww....wish I could have seen it as well!
(Beware the autobots!!!!)
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I feel the biggest problem is the minority of people who don't and didn't believe in God have been able to abuse our Constitution because today's Supreme Court Judges have lost the truth in the text that our forefathers put together. We are bending too much to the whines of the few who continue to take our freedoms away. They are the disciples of Satan.

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What freedoms are being taken away!!!??? Not one of you has listed one tangible right or freedom that you have lost, and I find that very telling.
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I find it very telling that you like the phrase very telling.
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LOL! Yes, I do use that phrase quite a bit. Guess I'm in a rut;)
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I define freedom as one being able to live his life the way he choses, without being pestered by government or religious people. Since Satan doesn't exist, guess there are no disciples either. Don't believe me? Ask a Jew. The Constitution is meant to protect people from groups like religions. I would fight to uphold that.
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There is no way to live without being pestered. No matter which route you choose, others will blame, join, or ostracize you. Republican? too right-wing, etc. Cable? You need Dish. Jewish? You must convert to Christianity. Muslim? You must convert to Christianity (though they are surprisingly similar). You get the idea.
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You are right on this point. It should be a law that if you argue religion, you get fined. Need a way to shut everyone up.
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Not necessarily "argue", because I find it very amusing to discuss religion with others, so long as they aren't shouting at me that everything I know is wrong. It's the preaching I have a problem with. Originally, wasn't it because only the church people were literate? Now that almost all of USA, the land of the free, is literate, preachers should be outlawed, both the church-appointed and self-appointed.
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People now say they have other things to do. I know someone who doesn't go to church though his family really needs to... Without God we are just as meaningless than the sand we were made from. It just sickens me to see all of the people who have "better" things to do than go to church. We are supposed to worship God not money. God not material things! God not ourself. We need God not another American "Idol"! Why can't people listen! I don't want to gain the whole world but lose my soul!

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They will know we are Christians by our love by our love!
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Revelation 22:21 (KJV)
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.
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Genesis 1:3 (KJV)
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
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1 Corinthians 7:5 (KJV)
Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.
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"So that Satan tempt you not"
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Yeah, better things to do.. like thinking.
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JonnyDoe
Genesis 1:4: "I cannot believe thou people are believing this crap! Messing with thou people is entertaining." Quoting the Bible is equivalent to me quoting Dr. Seuss. Means nothing here.
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I object! Dr. Seuss means a lot! lol :)
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Okay, good point. I mean, Dr. Seuss never ordered men to fight wars in his name. Maybe I should worship him.
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It'd make more sense...
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I would think it seems that sin it so overly abundant that it may seem that way. Luckily we have a God that that forgives and loves you the whole time.

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Hi! Just because people don't follow religion doesn't mean they sin. I don't steal, kill, cheat on my wife, use Gods name in vain. And even religious people sin and dont care.
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Hello! You do realize that your following the Ten Commandments whether you mean to or not. It's still sin no matter what you call it. What do you prefer to call it?
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The 10 Commandments are just common sense. I could also add to those:

11) Don't hit yourself in the head with a hammer.
12) Don't eat nails.
13) Be patient and forgiving.
14) Eat your broccoli.
15) Wear clean underwear and brush your teeth every day.

So Moses supposedly chiseled a bunch of common sense on stone tablets. Not really a list of epiphanies. Confucianism is much older than Moses and has better "commandments" for happiness than those. You don't claim that before the 10, no civilization had any clue of common sense, are you? I personally think Moses just got away from the crazy masses, took a breather, got calm and made these up based on what he saw in society. Brought them down and said God told him these things because he thought them. Evangelists today are always spouting what God told them to say. No surprise.
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Actually, the ten commandments are basic survival skills. If you look at it from a purely evolutionary angle:
no other gods - others will kill you for it
no idols - others are being killed for it
keep the sabbath - declared witch and killed
honor mom & dad - who else will teach vital skills
don't kill - or be killed
no adultery - be killed by the spouse
don't steal - lose place in society
don't lie - lose place and/or be killed
don't covet - could lead to any of the above
Same with JonnyDoe's next 5. Basic survival skills, eventually called God's word.
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Evolution??? Isn't that just a bunch of crap???? A Christian speaking of such things... you should be ashamed.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa!! I've been agreeing with your strong points! How does that make me anything like a Christian?!? btw, I've asked a lot of people if Catholicism is a Christian branch, and the answer is always different. Is it?
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Hey...most will say that if you are catholic your are a Christian. I think where some people might have different ideas of this it would be that if you are catholic you pray to saints and the virgin and a non catholic Christian would think this is wrong in that you should pray only to God. Some might consider this a violation of " no other idols before me". Also you need only confess your sin to God and not another human to gain forgiveness. As many rituals as any church has, the catholic church has a lot more. It truly is about a relationship with Jesus and I don't know how they stand on that. Those are the only differences I know about I'm not very familiar with the catholic church. I attend a independent Christian church.
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One could argue that the Catholic church is breaking multiple Commandments: stealing, lying, and no idols. Don't other Christians also pray to Jesus, hence "Christian"?
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Jesus was God in human form. I would guess no one prayed to Him during His short time on earth and now that He is at the right hand of God they are together again. I thank Jesus for my salvation and have an unexplainable love for Him but I do pray to God my Father for allowing it. My info on the catholic church is all from the outside. I've never attended a mass and short of playing a catholic school in sports have even been in one of their churches. The only catholic people I know are not practicing so I can't really comment on the rest of their commandment following.
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Because we associate capitalism as our primary worldview, which is antithetical to the social gospel of the Bible. We also have many Christians who interpret the social gospel as "give so that it may be given unto you" instead of realizing the Bible's Message of "harvest so that you may sow." Our faiths are too often private and intellectual rather than actually making a difference in our world. As such, most AmericanChristians have turned away from God to pursue their own ends, and as such, the light in America is very dim and discoloured.

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I respect this answer very much, though in the part of the country I live in, expressions of Christianity are FAR from private and intellectual, but they don't call it the Bible Belt for nothing. Only one thing that confuses me: Christianity is pretty much the property of the Republican Party, which is the party of capitalism. How do they reconcile the cognitive dissonance inherent in the adherence to both belief systems?
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Most don't. They ignore the differences and quote parts of the Bible that talk about people taking 5 pieces of gold and turning them into 10, not noting that all 10 of those went back to the master to do with as he pleased. A few rightfully say there is nothing wrong with capitalism as long it is a means to a different end and not an end in and of itself. I agree with this, but I also realize that most do pursue it as an end of itself and do not perceive being filled as a means to be emptied. Others separate the Church and the State in this matter but not others and say that the role of government is to protect religious freedom and allow religious liberty but it cannot force morality in terms of what one does with money and possessions. Seems kind of antithetical to the Republican Party as well. (My wife and I are registered Republicans, but this election may cause me to remove myself from the party depending on how the party decides to define itself in the next 2.5 years).
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I'd also say the Bible Belt still has plenty of private intellectual Christians, but most of these display their private beliefs on their sleeves. The majority (or at least leading minority) do not go into the world and effect change. They stay in their Church and carry their Church-mentality with them wherever they go. They may preach to the world, but they don't live out the good news in the world. If they did, it wouldn't be known as the Bible Belt, because the Bible would become the catalyst to action and not the idol to be worshipped as a divine moral codebook and history textbook. This is not a universal critique but rather a critique of at least the leading minority and perhaps even the majority.
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Very interesting! Thanks for such thorough and detailed observations. And might I say that I certainly would never say a negative word about modern Christians if they thought as you do:)
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BTW, are you a Methodist?
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I attend a seminary that is heavily influenced by the UMC. I have never been a member of the UMC myself, but my wife has been on their payroll (previously) for about 2 years at a private camp.
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I like the Methodist style. They always seem to show a lot of grace, humanity, and patience.
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In God We Trust Has Rust. Very
Similar To Children Raised
By Parents To Have Cer-
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The Older Kids Get,
The Further They
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If your children will keep My covenant and My testimony that
I shall teach them, their children also shall sit upon your throne forever. (Psalm 132:12 AMP)

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I don't know if people are turning away from god. They should be, because of the basic contradictions in the Christian religion (too many to write here, but the trinity is an obvious one).

Religion in this country is, by and large, obscene. Its all about show - showy churches, gold ornaments, expensively clad people, and at its roots is so hypercritical (gays in church, consecration of women) that it should make any reasonable person sick to the stomach.

What's not to turn away from?

Religion, in general, turned away from god a long, long time ago.....

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wow you need to come out of your little negative hole and jump back up to positivity!!! we only do things like ornaments and whatever to fill people with cheer the cheer and happiness they do not receive from people likeyou!!!
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Salads do not jump.
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Thank you Waldorff
You're spot on
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It has indeed turned away from God, waldo. The pride and vanity in modern Christianity reek so bad, I don't understand why it's only the non-believers that smell it. But I do get a glimpse of hope from the fundamentalist zeitgeist: The more extreme they get, the closer the day when religious fundamentalism finally releases society from it's stranglehold. Christianity had a good run of two centuries when it dominated Western (and even a good deal of Eastern) discourse and morals. They got spoiled, and now that people like us can freely question them in public without fear of becoming crispy critters, well it just chaps their hides to no end. They aren't used to being bombarded by logic and higher morality, so they go deeper and deeper into their mania and come up emptier and emptier. Patience will win the day, and we can all finally enjoy the brotherhood and mutual respect that has been man's robbed birthright since the beginning.