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Does the Catholic church discourage masturbation?

I've never heard our priest mention it at chruch.

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eeeww i hope so

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why?
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hi Christian! i trust life has been great to you lately. i expect it has! just wanted to say hi and wish you the best. p.s. "strange question", huh?! lol
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wait whos this
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stb19
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stb1953...photographer and tennis instructor. i've responded to your questions and answers befor. you have great answers! :-)...
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Lmao @ MLB. You'll understand when you're older.
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I'm with you beck1822
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High five nareetz! Lol
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yes

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Lol the jokers face makes ur answer hilarious
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Still disturbing.
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but you still love me dont you?
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Why so serious?
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Lol :O um I think so lol God sees all!

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smh hiya little one
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Hi :D
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You were absent when he mentioned.

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I'm catholic and never heard it mentioned either.

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I couldn't help but to look at your profile, I love to draw, listen to music, hang out with friends and I'm also in 4-H too! Plus you have one amazing profile pic, follow me if you want.
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Thats awesome and I'll follow you!
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No it does not

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Yes, it does. It's a mortal sin.
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Masturbating is not a mortal sin, only killing someone is.
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no masturbation and fornication are also moral sins nareet
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we believe that our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit therefore we must treat it with respect
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SebastianM

Lol. That's lame. Just don't go. It's your human right to do what you want, lust is not a sin. I don't believe I that cra* so I know that it's all fake. Animals can do what they want and they have it right, they don't have to make things complicated because of some 'story book'. We need to stop ever complicating the world and just do thinks instinctively, the way we used to.

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This answer inspires me. This is perfect.
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Thanks.
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Well it is a story book. You need to understand that in history that stuff it talks about never happened, it's just a fable that naturally got twisted from story teller to story teller a LONG time ago.
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There are actually many things in the Bible which have proven correct, and much of the Bible is not meant to be taken literally or as a history lesson, but as a parable for spiritual edification, anyway. At any rate, there is no need to think that it is inaccurate in its re-telling, as current copies of books match word for word with copies 2,000 years old. The Jews were very meticulous about such things.
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But when you deny offhand the possibility of god, why not employ the same non-logic with everything else you happen to dislike?
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It not that it's not logical BECAUSE I dislike it. I dislike it because it's not logical. And who's to say that the first people to make the book all just made shit up?! You DON'T have proof. You simply don't. Admit it sooner then later before people start to think you're crazy.
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pls. it takes time to be civilized. we have freedom, but have also have the instinct for order, so advising to do whatever is instinctive doesnt apply to everything.
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Yes. I am a Catholic. Masturbation is discouraged as it should not be necessary in a healthy relationship and outside of marriage, the church encourages abstinence. That includes masturbation and all other forms of sex.

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Thad completely immoral and sick.
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*that's
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Defend your position please, if you wish to engage in healthy debate. Start by answering what is completely immoral and sick about my answer, and then explain why you feel that way.
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I love how you engage in a debate with openness and such kindness, that's hard to find in people when all some people want to do is just alter people's beliefs to fit their own.
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I'm not gonna, I'm literally too lazy to write a bunch right now. I'm sorry.
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totally agree Peggie1973 and Nareetz
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masturbation and fornication are not only discourages they are prohibited by the Catholic Church

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SebastianM
That's sick! We had every right to enjoy ourselves, it's instinct and it's the way things should be, we need to stop complexing out way of life and let things be natural.
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*have
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Just because something is natural, doesn't mean it is *good*. Cancer and congenital deformity are *natural* but are not good.

I have a feeling you might enjoy researching the philosophical term 'natural law' though. You should look into it sometime, Sebastian.
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The cancer is good, it's a natural selection law, it's fighting against the medicines that us Nonnatural humans create, we are setting ourselves up for doom because we go against natural selection and natural instincts. It's sad and it's messed up.
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just because something is natural it doesn't mean its good Sebastian
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Give me an example of something that is natural but isn't good?!
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Colossians 3:5 "Deaden, therefore, your body members that are upon the earth as respects fornication, uncleanness, [and improper] sexual appetite."
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1 Thessalonians 4:3 "Abstain form fonication" fonication refers to all sexual relations outside a marriage.
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Yes, the catholic church discourages any sexual acts that don't have a chance of making a baby.

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very good answer
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There is much more to the Church teachings on sex than whether or not the act is a means of making a baby or not. It is much more about love and respect between partners in a couple. A couple who only know one another and no other in the biblical sense, will grow into their likes and dislikes together, just as they do in the other aspects of their marriage.
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thats true
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The catholic church is against all birth control, it is against homosexuality and masturbation. So if it pertains to making a baby when your married it's okay doke, but anything else and the catholic church doesn't feel comfortable with unacceptable values created by society, that's the way it is, which just isn't right.
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yes
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Plus I happen to be homosexual and I love, that's not wrong. It's the human heart. But yet it is religiously wrong to be this way, yet you love women the same way I love other men. It's just the gender difference. And I also don't think people should be so sexist! I mean why the he'll should gender ever matter or change your look on the quality of the person? That's like saying you hate your ginipig for being who he is because he's lazy or not the way you like. It's not okay and it's a form of bullying.
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I totally agree with you SebastianM
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Thanks.
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Not me I totally disagree with you. God created man and women for pro creation. If he wanted it to be male only he would of made it that way. Even animals have male and female. So what your doing is for pure gratification only. There is no moral grains behind it.
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twnship - there is documented homosexual behavior in almost all species of animals... http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090616122106.htm

Not to mention, that animals masturbate as well, so both are naturally occurring behaviors that have nothing to do with morality.
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I'm not homosexual, but who are we to tell others who and who not to love? It is there decision, and they shouldn't be denied equal rights because of religious institutions that impose certain values on our society. That's discriminating against a minority, almost just as bad as when women and blacks had to fight for their rights. Just because you feel and others feel uncomfortable doesn't mean you can dictate what others can and can't do because of who they love. Btw some animal species such as bottlenose dolphins and manatees sometimes mate with the same sex.
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I know of species that are only female or some fish that are all male with one female.. And that's for the help. :)
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I'm not so good at explaining so thanks.
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Yeah no problem bro, that's what I'm here for.
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And back on the topic of the question, people shouldn't get in the personal business of others and try to discourage them doing things to their own body. If you don't believe in that, that's fine, but for others it's a much better alternative to premarital sex.
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Basic Catholic Theology: there are two aspects to the procreative act. (A) procreation and (B) the unity of the spouse. Both are necessary and equal. Please learn about what the Church teaches before saying that she says such-and-such. The Theology of the Body would be a good place to start on this subject.
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What are you trying to say? Are you disagreeing with me? I just want to know what you mean, state your beliefs so that I get your point of view.
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agreed TallyMarx and nareet
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nareet our beliefs are that
Colossians 3:5, "Deaden, therefore, your body members that are upon the earth as respects fornication, uncleanness, [and improper] sexual appetite."
1 Thessalonians 4:3 "Abstain form fonication" fonication refers to all sexual relations outside a marriage.
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Very much so.

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The Main Rule of the Catholic Church: If it feels good, or you like it, STOP IT!"

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I find that hilarious.
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Yeah that's basically it, taking away our freedom and giving us false hopes.
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R'amen.
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SebastianM
So messed up.
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Wrong. It teaches that being a slave to your passion is slavery no matter how it feels, and that there is an ultimate joy and freedom we are called to.
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It's not a slave to passion. It's a natural freedom that all living beings have the right to enjoy in their lives. Nothing is wrong with it and it's simply a human pleasure that does more good then bad in the world. It's biologically does good and it physiologically refreshes the mind and relieves stress.
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Exactly, thats a good way of putting it
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cant holy water wash off the sin?
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soory, misplaced comment.
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Hopefully not.
-looks around with guilty face-

O_o ...

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Not as much as my optician. He's getting fed up of seeing me.

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Well, since I am Jewish I can't expect the Catholic Church to discourage masturbation but at least my optician offers a few choice words.
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Mr_FadedGlory

YES! Especially if you use the holy water

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Eeww!
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SebastianM
Uh...you're a very messed up person.
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who the in their right mind would use holy water for such a thing
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Mr_FadedGlory
Uhhhhhh, no one... Why?
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Lol..... Umm I get it!
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@FormerGlory because thats what you implied
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smh, former, former, former lol
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geez, sorry! Wrong room (closing door)
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cant holy water wash off the sin?
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Not in the way were talking about!
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*we're
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wow! what a question... ;-)

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I've never heard of that but probably.

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Talk about a loaded question.

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Exactly!!
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Hiya sissy!
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Ouch! That one hurt ;0)
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Oh my...
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then your doing it wrong former
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Goodness! (closing this door too)
Going back to my own room!!
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I would like to share with you this link that takes you to the chapter on this subject from a book Jehovahs Witnesses distribute to young ones. It doesnt explain the views of the catholic church on the matter, but it does direct you to the scriptures that will answer how God feels about it.
http://www.watchtower.org/e/200611a/article_01.htm

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Don't read that. If you want to know the answer look in the Holy Bible.
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twnship agreed
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SebastianM is obviously not catholic. The bible straight up says, do not lust, simple as that

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The bible is a lie and it's not moral to believe something that tells you that you are not aloud to have your instinctive rights of lust and love. It's simply messed up and wrong.
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You can believe absolutly nothing and be perfectly fine by doing these things.
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You can be content with being a slave to your own passion, Sebastian, but you will have a hard time convincing many others that slavery of any sort is moral.
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It's more immoral to think that it's slavery. It's not. It's natural and it's a part of being a living creature. All living beings have this drive, it is completely okay to do it, it relieves tensions in the body and helps keep a person from becoming stressed every too often.
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but we wont have babies without lust. or at least, angels will find it hard to enter earth without human lust. gets? lol. lust is part of our biology to encourage reproduction.
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Your a retard to
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i agree with you TwallyMarx and Cheese_Man77
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Finally, someone in the right mind
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lol ya Sebastian is just a creep
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hey Cheese_Man77 follow me :)
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Ok
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Yes, masturbation is a sin. Our sexual organs are not playthings to be used for self-gratification. They are intended for sexual relations in marriage, to express and share mutual, self-donating love, and for the procreation of children. When we use our sexual power of loving and procreating within marriage according to God's purpose, we honor Him and our bodies. When we do not, we dishonor God and our bodies, something Scripture condemns. Masturbation is often called "self-abuse" precisely because the person who masturbates abuses his or her body, which is a temple of the Holy Spirit. Masturbation is a sin against nature - which was designed and given order by God. In masturbation, it is pleasure alone that becomes the end goal, not the joy in doing something truly loving.

Hope this helps!

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sometimes, in a very tight economy, it doesnt apply.
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It is our bodies, not a gods body isn't it? It has a scientific purpose and we as human are driven by hormones, it is completely okay and normal to masturbate once in a while.
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Have you read what I have said? Pray to the Lord that you will not masturbate. If you feel the urge, busy yourself by taking a walk or talking with a friend. You are right it is our body, and God gave it to us as a special gift. In heaven, we are given new and pure spiritual bodies and we will most certainly not masturbate in the Kingdom of God, so why do it on earth? In the holy Name of Jesus, I bless you and hope you will never masturbate again.

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It's not so much a matter of the means pleasure, it is more a matter of what freedoms we have. If we can't do certain things to our body, then where do we draw the line? To be completely honest, I don't believe in spirits, so to say we are a temple of the the holy spirit and we are abusing it, that sounds very far off. The real reason these kinds of activities became unacceptable is because people used to think pleasure was "bad". Clearly it's not, pleasure is the scientific response to things that our bodies think is good for us. And really, I used to think masturbation was very bad and "sinful" as you might say. Now I realize everybody needs to be a little more open-minded, what is the real harm in masturbating? There is none, and I wish people didn't do it that much either, but it is just human nature to want this "feeling".
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Masturbation is very harmful to our relationship with God. Would you masturbate in front of your own friends? It would be shameful and embarrassing. So then, why should you masturbate in the eyes of our TRUE best friend, Jesus Christ, who sees all? Masturbation is wrong.

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Masturbating in front of friends would be graphic, socially unacceptable and just unnecessary. Bur wait Jesus watches me when I masturbate? Is he a pedophile too? Pray all you want, but don't expect anything to change. Instead change things by actively making a difference. Live your life to the fullest, but don't expect to be rewarded in the afterlife. Instead live your life to the fullest to make positive contribution to other people lives. Live life more for yourself, not always the way other people tell you to live it (the people who decide for everyone what is socially unacceptable in our society) and not for some god you've never met. Because i'd like everyone to have the chance to say they had a good, happy life and not live one that is limited, and unaware of other peoples views.
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I have met and I know God Himself. Jesus Christ is in my heart. He is not a pedophile, we cannot change the fact that He sees and knows everything. We should love our afterlives more than we love this life. Give your life to God, and He will reward you greatly.

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You say you have met God, but you haven't seen him, heard him or been able feel him. So how can you say you've met him? And if Jesus sees and knows everything why isn't there more being done to answer our prayers and help out our lives? What would even be the point of praying if God knows whats going to happen, that your prayer probably won't even be answered. I spend years praying my mom would not yelling at me and just to understand, but that prayer was never answered. I always lived my live the best that could, but people seemed to always take advantage of me and not accept me. I used to think God existed, but now i'm not to sure.
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*life, *too
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I have seen Him in the Church, in the form of the Eucharist. Jesus IS the Eucharist, and Jesus is God. I see Him in everyone, including you, because He made us in His image and likeness, and He is in everyone, holding everything in existence. I hear Him through prayer when He talks to me. I feel Him in society everyday. I know God, as we all should. We should all love and serve the Creator. God exists, and I'm sorry about your unanswered prayer. If God doesn't answer a prayer, it is usually for a good reason. Believe He exists, for He is real. Masturbation is also very dangerous to one's social and impersonal skills, because it is a selfish act that turns the person inward. It makes one self-absorbed. Masturbation can also make one a selfish spouse who is only concerned about his or her own sexual pleasure. This, of course, could be harmful to marriage.
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There are many faithful priests who will say that, although the act is objectively sinful, the subjective (that is, personal) guilt of someone today may not be the present due to immaturity, the widespread sexual messages in the media, and the lack of proper catechetical formation of today's youth. This should not, however, give someone license to sin. Masturbation is sinful, and its negative effects still exist regardless of a person's subjective guilt. For anyone who has a problem with this sin, I recommend the person find a good priest with whom he or she feels comfortable. Ask him for spiritual direction and prayer.
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Is it easy to rationalize your beliefs and say you see Jesus in everything. Maybe you really think you see him in people, but instead I think your experiencing strong emotions that have formed from certain kinds of illogical thinking. In respect of your views I won't masturbate for a while, several months hopefully. I just don't think you see how our society construes our views and forces us to believe in certain principles that are based off any reasoning, and are unnecessary beliefs. As for my faith, I go to church every week, and I always was very spiritual. The only way I can change from here is more to be more knowledgable and live a more open-minded, fulfilling life.
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You don't need to have a "god" to live a moral and good life.
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Thank you for your decision not to masturbate for a period of time, although is is better that you never do it again. The Lord died for your sins... He saw you while He hung limp on the cross, He loved you so much He gave His own life for you. Every time you sin you can know that you are guilty of the killing of Jesus Christ. Even if only one person had sinned, Jesus would have carried out His saving work for that one person. He took our punishment for sin, and by His blood we are saved. His blood washed away our sins forever.

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Jesus didn't "know" me when he died on the cross, and according to your faith he freed us from "original sin" first committed by Adam and Eve, not everyday sinning. How do I know that Jesus loves me? I never met him and no matter how much I pretend to or like to talk to him, there's just nothing there, just emptiness. My life continues with the same problems, not even ones created by myself, but by other people who are too self-interested to care. The things I do that are looked down upon by others is not "killing" anyone and it certainly isn't killing someone who already died for us. "Sins" are just what most people consider to be socially unacceptable. We are held to a certain standard, but infrequent masturbating has nothing to do with anything will help us live a better life. Actually about 90% percent of men masturbate at some point in their lives, I'm not saying that makes it better, but it seems to even be considered normal by our society. The same statistic is true with Christians, only 80% of them masturbate at some point in their lives. But put a little personal sexual stimulation to the side for a moment, doesn't it bother you more that I don't really believe in god?
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But I need your help
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If it's true what you say, that 90% of men masturbate at some point in their lives, then that is truly sad.
If you "don't really believe in God," then you must be an agnostic. How could I help you? Jesus most certainly knew you when He hung on the cross, because He is God and God knew you before He formed you in the womb. Jesus didn't only make amends for original sin, He took our punishment for, as you say, "everyday sin." If He hadn't died for us, we would all burn in the fire of hell. Again, how could I help? Do you want me to give you proofs of God? Or pray for you?

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I don't plan to stay at this "undecided" mentality for long. I will make a decision, I am just going to read the bible a lot and the book "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins first, it was highly recommended to me. But first if Jesus knew me when he was on the cross that would mean he could tell the future and would be all-knowing. Now if Jesus could predict the future and knew me, wouldn't he already know what decisions I would make? In that case there would be no point to life on earth, everyone could just be "sorted" into "heaven" or "hell". That would also mean Jesus would know I was losing my faith very quickly, why wouldn't he help, send a message, prevent my eternal suffering in hell? I'm one of the nicest guys youll meet, I really love giving people advice, so I feel my path is already chosen, I will most likely become an atheist unless, something BIG changes my opinion. God didn't create me, the DNA from my parents did, there was no "divine intervention" needed in that. The more I LOSE my faith the BETTER I feel, it's easy
to pretend something is there that really isn't, but it isn't so easy to be able to scientifically explain things, with complete logical reasoning. I can assure you that I have never become so knowledgable and happy, I am thinking completely clear. I wouldnt recommend praying for me, that won't change anything, it hardly ever does. I highly doubt my masturbation habits will change unless you really encourage me. What you can do is give me, three or so of the greatest reasons you have for why you think go exists. If I can counteract them, with more logical reasoning, you have failed and I have a so much greater chance I will lose my faith completely in the near future. I really think there isn't a god, but I just need to read those books to strengthen that theory.
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And also what is your opinion of pornography? And why? Because I look at that quite often.
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You seen to be asking that if "God knows everything, then He knows whether I'm going to end up in heaven or hell, therefore, doesn't that take away our free will since we can't change what God already knows will happen?"
Just because God knows where we will end up - heaven or hell - this does not mean He CAUSES us to go to either place. Remember: God is eternal; He is not restricted by time like we are. For God, there is no such thing as past, present, or future, there is only now. This is difficult to understand, so here's an analogy that might help. Think of a man sitting on top of a tall building looking down upon a city. From his vantage point he is able to witness events as they occur. At one point, he notices two cars speeding, about to collide at an intersection. Neither of the drivers is aware of the other car because they can't see each other. Does the knowledge of the man on the building in any way restrict the freedom of the two drivers? of course not. Both drivers could choose to slow down immediately and obey the rules of the road. Although God's presence in our lives if much different from the way a man watches the world from a building, the analogy does help us understand that even though God knows the outcome of all things, He will never remove our free will in our choosing to either love Him or reject Him. In fact, without the freedom, you and I would never have the ability to choose to follow Christ in order to attain heaven. Men, as intelligent as free creatures, have to journey toward their ultimate destinies by their free choice and preferential love".
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God does send us many messages to come closer to Him, in the Bible, in miracles that occur today, and in witnesses of the faith. He sent me, didn't He? And still you choose. to reject my teachings. God transferred your soul into the fetus in your mother's womb. He gave you a body, and we should be grateful. There are many Catholic miracles that have occurred. They are too numerous to count. To begin, all miracles of Jesus are considered Catholic miracles, because He is the founder of our faith. These miracles include the multiplication of the loaves, the turning of water into wine at the wedding feast at Cana, the raising of Lazarus from the dead, and Jesus' own Resurrection. Jesus gave sight to the blind and hearing to the deaf. He cured lepers and cripples. The Gospels are full of His miracles.
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There have been many miracles since Jesus ascended into heaven, such as miracles of healing. The bodies of dead saints have been found incorrupt hundreds of years after their deaths. We have Eucharistic miracles in which the Body of Jesus (formerly the bread) and Blood of Jesus (formerly the wine) have actually turned into visible flesh and blood. These can be seen today. Another well-known miracle we can still see today is that of the tilma (or cloak) that St. Juan Diego was wearing when he saw the apparation of Our Lady in Guadalupe, Mexico. It bears a miraculous image of Our Lady. The tilma itself should have disintegrated by now, since it is over 450 years old, yet it still shows little sign of age. Science is unable to explain any of these events.
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St. Thomas Aquinas says we can know of God by reason alone. He gives five demonstrations of the existence of God. I will give you one of them and then challenge you to read St Thomas' masterpiece Summa Theologica - or check out the helpful companion book A Tour of the Somma, a summary of St. Thomas' thoughts, published by TAN books. One proof or argument is from "design." This proof says the universe could not have just come together on it's own any more than, say, a computer just "comes together" on it's own. The computer is a precise instrument that could not magically come together by random chance. It is created and designed by something greater than itself - man. But if man is vastly MORE complex than the computer, what is the sense of saying he is simply the product of wind and weather? If the computer is the obvious creation of the human mind, the human mind is an even more obvious creation of a divine mind. So we all know God exists by His handiwork. Only an all-powerful God could have orchestrated the creation of the universe, the earth, man, and everything else.
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Proof of God is all around us. The universe could not just "come together" without a source. That source must have been God, and no, the Big Bang theory does not prove that the universe could have been created apart from a God. Also, think of this - even a simple flower has a complicated structure and purpose. A flower, sometimes known as a bloom or blossom, is the reproductive structure found in flowering plants (plants of the division Magnoliophyta, also called angiosperms). The biological function of a flower is to effect reproduction, usually by providing a mechanism for the union of sperm with eggs. Flowers may facilitate outcrossing (fusion of sperm and eggs from different individuals in a population) or allow selfing (fusion of sperm and egg from the same flower). Some flowers produce diaspores without fertilization (parthenocarpy). Flowers contain sporangia and are the site where gametophytes develop. Flowers give rise to fruit and seeds. Many flowers have evolved to be attractive to animals, so as to cause them to be vectors for the transfer of pollen.
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Since flowers have such a complicated and scientific function, how can anyone possibly believe this came together by chance? How could a flower possibly be the product of wind and weather? Not to mention the miracles God has presented to us even today - Stigmata, Incorruptible bodies of the saints, the rest are too numerous to count. People simply refuse to believe in God because they don't see what He has to do with their lives, such as agnostics. God GAVE us our lives as precious gifts, and so we must serve and love Him with all our hearts.
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I do not have time to present more proofs now, because I am busy. Please do not comment until I come back and finish my comments.

- ManOfKnowledge
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I'd just like to say a few things, evolution explains how humans became such complicated life forms and miracles in the bible haven't been proven. And your everyday miracle of hosts and wine turning into the body and blood of Jesus Christ is something I no longer believe in. If it looks like wine and tastes like wine and nothing else visible has changed, it's still just wine! I can explain the concept of evolution in depth, but can you explain the concept of the soul in depth, or can you explain exactly how you know for sure events in the bible actually happened and weren't just metaphorical? Nobody was there to prove it, the bible contradicts itself over and over we just choose to ignore the things that we don't agree with like "beating our children to death" or "raping women" or "destroying certain races, those are immoral. Sorry for being such a doubter, but I really do care about what you tell me. Please continue with the rest of my questions and also the one about pornography too.
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I will try tomorrow. Unfortunately, I have been trying to get to finishing answering your questions, but I am busy... I will most certainly finish tomorrow.

- ManOfKnowledge
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As I said, the universe could not come together without a source. Not even the "Big Bang" theory explains it, because even if it were true, it does not where the matter came from that caused the Big Bang. The theory states that all matter, engergy, space and time were created at the explosion of a super dense particle that was about the size of a head of a pin. But where did all that matter come from? The 1st law of thermodynamics states that matter and energy cannot be created, nor destroyed, and so it is therefore physically impossible for the Big Bang to occur. You would HAVE to have a force that operates outside the laws of space, time, matter, i.e., a God. And even if you hold, as most scientists do, that before the Big Bang that started our universe there were an infinite number of Big Bangs and Big Collapses (or "earlier" universes), you still have a problem: Where did the matter these Big Bangs and Big Collapses were made of come from? Also, why is the universe the kind of place where there are such occurences? It doesn't have to be. Where did the whole thing come from, anyway?
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Since the universe does not explain its own existence, the explanation for it must be somewhere else; actually in Someone else, the one who is self-existing: God. Note: You will sometimes hear people say that there is a conflict between science and religion, between reason and faith. These people believe that science has "debunked" or disproved religious beliefs and replaced them with "real" truth. The Big Bang Theory is one example of this mentality, and people often argue it disproves God's creation of the universe. But as I said above, it does nothing of the sort. Science and religion are not opposed to each other, if their proper roles are correctly understood. Science, which takes its conclusions from data collections by observation and measurement, is very good at answering the "how" questions. But it is not equipped to answer the "why" questions. For example, it cannot tell us why we are here or what the purpose of life is.
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Considering your statement on evolution, looking at evolution as the process of HOW God created the world does not pose a problem for the Catholic. However, because some aspects of "evolution" can impact the faith of the believer, the Church does offer guidelines for what must be believed and what is left up to the individual's judement. Before considering those guidelines, let's be clear about the difference between "evolution" and "evolutionism." Evolution is a scientific THEORY that says more complex forms of life developed from less complex life forms, over extremely long periods of time (perhaps a couple of billion years). As a scientific theory, it is to accepted or rejected based on the evidence.
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Evolutionism, on the other hand, if the belief that everything that exists can be explained exclusively in materialist terms, apart from a Creator. According to evolutionism, everything that exists developed from "blind chance," wth no knowng or planning of its purpose or end. Life has never, in the history of scientific reasearch, ever come from non-life. Ever. The single-celled organism is the simplest form of life. Even under IDEAL conditions, under the direction of INTELLIGENCE (the lab scientists), we cannot create a single cell from inanimate chemicals. This is because the single minimal cell contains over 60000 proteins of 100 different configurations. The odds of this assemblage occuring by chance is 1 in 10 to the 4,478,296th power. Anything over 10 to the 150th power is considered impossible.
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It is more complex than your car engine. And that's the SIMPLEST form of life on the planet. Evolutionism is not only unscientific; it is unreasonable. A complex organism like the human brain could not have developed by "blind chance." Because evolutionism denies the creatove action of God, it is not only a false but also dangerous view for us to hold. It implies that humans are mere animals. And, as the 20th Century showed, it only a very short step from saying human beings are animals to treating them that way. Here are some guidelines on what a Catholic should believe regarding creation and evolution. The first three chapters of Genesis "pertain to history in a true sense even though the inspired author may haved used a literary form to communicate these truths". When the Church says "pertain to history in a true sense," it means something that really happened. The first sin (original sin, the fall of our first parents) really happened at a certain time and place in history. Perhaps it was six thousand years ago; perhaps six hundred million years ago. For all we know, the first sin may well have had something to do with eating a certain fuir that God had commanded man not to eat. But it need not have. That may simply be a poetic way the Genesis writer chose to communicate the historical truth about man's fall from paradise. What we must affirm is that there really was a first sin.
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We also must affirm the following:
1. All things were created by a loving God.
2. Man is made in the image of God, which means among other things, that he is spiritual being with the powers of knowing and freely choosing.
3. Even if man's body evolved, God still created man, because God created the process of evolution, and His providence guided it to give ride to the human race.
4. Whatever the origin of man's bodily form, his soul is a special creation of God; it is not the result of an evolutionary process. This is because spirit, unlike matter, is incapable of evolving, since it has no parts that could evolve from one thing to another. The soul is the direct creation of God, not a product of matter.
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5. Our original parents were created in a state of perfect hapiness, a state of "holiness and justice".
6. Their obedience was tested and they transgressed the divine law at the prompting of the devil.
7. They lost the supernatural gifts given to the human race by God at creation. (For example, freedom from bodily death, freedom from suffering, perfect control of the soul over the body).
8. This state of original sin was passed on to their offspring. Therefore, all human beings are borin in this wounded and weakened condition.
9. They were promised a redeemer, who would restore mankind's relationship with God.
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As long as these basic elements of Catholic teaching of our creation are held, Catholics may accept the theory of evolution. Nevertheless, a Catholic is not obliged to do so if he or she thinks the evidence is against it. Evolution is a scientific theory, not a theological dogma. It stands or falls on the evidence. Some people think that you have to believe either creation or evolution is true. They wonder how we can believe both at the same time. We can do that by holding that God used evolution as His was of forming human beings. In that sense, you could say that the only way a Catholic can believe in evolution is to also believe in creation. Now, the opposite is not true; you can also believe in creation without affirming evolution.
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When some people (usually fundamental Protestants and athiests) place evolution and creation in opposition, they usually mean evolution by blind chance vs. creation in the sense of God literally fashioning man from "the dust of the earth" and "breathing" into him the "breath of life" all in six twenty-four-hour days. Obviously, creation and evolution in those senses cannot both be true. People think there is a conflict between creation and evolution because they think the only alternatives are the strict fundamentalist view and the atheistic materialist view. Fundamentalists insist the creation story in Genesis must be interpreted as strict history in every detail. For them, it is not enough to say the creation and fall of man really happened; they insist it must have happened according to their literalistic reading of the Genesis narrative, without considering that parts of it may be poetic or allegorical. Atheistic materialists, on the other hand, say the creation of the human race (and the universe as a whole) was due to blind chance, without any divine intervention, whether by evolution or any other means.
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This is a false set of choices. If evolution is understood as a process designed by God, and creation as simply God's act of bringing everything into existence in some way, then there need not be a conflict. The answer does not need to be either evolution or creation; it can be both evolution and creation. A Catholic may completely embrace the creation narrative as a historical depiction in every detail, but he is not required by the Church to do so, and he may not condemn other Catholics who do not agree with him. He may also embrace evolutionary theory as a scienfitic explanation, as long as he doesn't deny the fundamental Christian truths I mentioned above. Bottom line: we were created by God. You would most likely think that scientists have such strong evidence that we evolved from apes, and this disproves the Creation. There is disagreement about just how strong such evidence is and about the meaning of this evidence. Because evolution has been taught as fact for the past several decades in our schools, most people accept it as true. They do not know about the problems with the theory, nor that the evidence can be interpreted in a number of ways.
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Evolutionary science is not the stable discipline we are led to believe. It involves a lot of self-correction and revision. For example, theories about the variations of early man used to divide early man into different types, including Peking man, Java man, and Neanderthal man. Today, they are all considered one - homo erectus. Scientists now see that different fossils (of which there are few) are essentially the same. Theories that early man was ferocious are now being refuted. Evidence shows that early man was quite advanced in the development and use of tools. He performed amputations and even buried the deceased with flowers. These are not the acts of a beast. In addition, these issue point to the central problem: what makes a human being human is not opposable thumbs, nor the ability to make tools (chimps can do that). It is the existence of a rational soul. And that is not something fossils can show us.
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Other problems exist too. Some scientists are too eager to speak beyond the evidence they posess, just as some fundamentalists are too eager to find dinosaurs mentioned in the Scripture. For instance, in 1911, French anatomist Marcellin Boule's Neanderthal skeleton led him to concluce that early man was hunched over with his face thrust forward, similar to the gorilla. Forty-five years later, a team of anatomists re-examined Boule's skeleton and concluded the hunched over stance was not due to the genetics but to severe arthritis. Because evolutionary scientists (unlike chemists and physicists) are unable to test their hypotheses in a controlled laboratory, their theories are developed from "reasonable interpretations" and even imagination. Fossil evidence needs to be interpreted; it does not speak for itself.
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Based on developments from the 1970s to the present. evolution, especially Darwin's theory of natural selection, is being called into serious question by respected scientists. The theory may be still true, but opposing opinions, which were blocked out of academic life because of materialist prejudice and antireligious sentiment, are now being heard. This is not to say that evolutionary is necessarily false, Pope John Paul II, in a 1996 address to the Pontifical Acadamy of the Sciences, made it clear that new knowledge has led to the recognition of the theory of evoution as more than a hypothesis. In short, there are many pieces of evidence, from a lot of scientific disciplines, pointing to the probability of human descent from a common ancestor.
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The bottom line: We will never know the full story of how the human race came into existence, though we may discover a few material fragments of evidence about how our bodies were created. We can learn the spiritual side of our early history from the only infallible, irrefutable source: God, speaking through the Sciprures and the Church. Once again, I am too busy to finish I am leaving for now. I will get back tomorrow or later. Please DO NOT comment again, as you will interrupt MY comments and make me post much more. If you choose to comment, I will not post anything here again. Please do not comment.

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First of all, I wasn't talking about the actual changing of the bread and wine into the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Himself. I was talking about the miracle of the Eucharist when it PHYSICALLY changed, before people's eyes, into actual flesh and actual blood. Some Catholics believe this occurred at Lanciano, Italy, in the 8th century A.D. In fact, Lanciano is only one of the reported cases of Eucharistic miracles where the host has been transformed into human flesh. However, a Eucharistic miracle more commonly reported by Catholics is that of the Bleeding Host, where blood starts to trickle from a consecrated host, the bread consecrated during Mass. Some claim to have recorded this occurrence in photos or videos, like in a case in the Sanctuary of the Virgin of Guadalupe (Mexico). Other types of purported miracles include consecrated hosts being preserved for hundreds of years, a consecrated host passing through a fire unscathed, stolen consecrated hosts vanishing and turning up in churches, and levitating consecrated hosts. Eucharistic miracles happen about every 50 years. One famous Eucharistic miracle is the miracle of Lanciano, which you can read about at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Lanciano.
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Now for more proof of God.
The consistency of NDEs (near death experiences) is staggering. Consider this, in a court of law, you can be convicted on testimony alone as evidence, if there are enough credible witnesses. As a police officer, if I want to find out if a group of people is telling the truth, we simply split them up and see if their stories line up. So why do all descriptions of Heaven/Hell sound so consistent? Many describe things that aren't even mentioned in the Bible, but don't contradict it. For example: "In Heaven, there are no shadows." Don't believe me? The following are quotes from people who have had an NDE or a heavenly visitation.
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Heaven
"The golden streets are clear, but they look golden." - Oden Hetrick
"I looked at it and looked up at the street of gold with this thought, 'I know it's gold but it's so clear." - Henry Gruver
"Compared to the physical world, all your senses are more certainly and clearly alive." - Lee, Haak-Sung
"At the time you leave the flesh, your spiritual awareness becomes acute, because the flesh holds down your spiritual awareness." - Dr. Gerard Landry
"I was amazed that the flowers were not crushed as we stepped on them." - Jesse Duplantis
"It seemed as though even if you were to step on the grass that it would spring back to life." - Ian McCormick
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Hell
"There was the smell of sulfur, like burning tires." - Jenifer Perez
There was a smell of burning flesh, of sulfur. The smell of these demons was like an open sewer." - Bill Wiese
"Their flesh almost melted and fell from their bodies, their skin fell from the bodies until they were just darkish-grey colored bones." - Carmelo Brenes
"Their bones were dark and extremely dry." - Victoria Nehale
"You never get a full breath of air." - Bill Wiese
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There are also many "creative miracles," which are too numerous to count. I can give you this one - there is a phenomenon happening in Christian churches around the world where jewels spontaneously appear during worship. The gems are numerous, in the thousands, just in one church alone. Every single one of the jewels are flawless. They also happen to contain the 12 jewels that represent the 12 tribes of Israel in the Bible. Some of the gems have changed shape and size. Others have appeared before people's eyes. And no one ever sells them. There are also healing miracles.
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A friend of mine was diagnosed with breast cancer. She sent me a message on Facebook explaining it to me. She explained that her boyfriend was an atheist, and she told me this about her cancer:
"I got diagnosed with interductal breast cacner in August and September 3rd I had my first lumpectomy and we thought it was all good and down, but then we found the second lump behind where the first one was in November. December 3rd I got it removed. Its spreading. I've been doing fractional-dose chemotherapy. I'm losing my hair slowly. And my doctor said I have a year if this isn't gone in a few months. So there's my story."
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So then I prayed over her (and her atheist boyfriend), and she sent me this text message the next day...
"I went to the doctor and they scanned it six times! Its gone! Thank you so much!"
And her boyfriend sent me this...
"Hey, I just wanted to personally thank you for taking out time to help us. I don't know if she told you yet but she went to the doctor this morning. They checked six times and found no trace of the cancer in her body! I can't tell you how appreciative I am of your help. You really are doing something special and I hope you continue to do so. It's nice to hear good news for a change. :)"
I have another friend who asked me to pray over him because of seizures (By the way, epilepsy is incurable). It's been 4 years now, with no medication, and he has not had a single seizure since.
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My brother also prayed for a baseball sized lump in his back that INSTANTLY vanished. He was also healed of chronic knee and back pain.
I have another friend, Rebecca, who used to have diabetes (also incurable). Without medication she would die. She was instantly healed immediately after going to a healing revival and to this day lives without diabetes and without medication.
My friend Rob from Church used to have chronic fatigue disorder for 4 years. He had no energy and could not stand up through the whole service or do strenuous tasks at home. After I prayed for him the disease completely left him, his energy levels returned, and he could do yard work around the house.
I have a friend who is a marine, who fractured his foot on a run. It was extremely swollen and very painful. He was INSTANTLY healed after he prayed over his foot. All the swelling and pain disappeared. I have a friend who once prayed for a girl who had a compressed spine due to a horse riding accident where she fell off. The accident left her spine in so much pain that she could barely stand up even after months of rehabilitation therapy. All of the pain immediately left her right after the prayer, and she described it feeling like "someone was peeling a strip of duct tape off my spine."
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I have many other stories of healing. Is is consistant witht the Bible when Jesus said that His true believers would do miracles just as He did.
Here is an example of this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq_Q3y4BvlM
Watch this video. This is basically when the power of God comes upon you so strong you can't stand up. This has happened to me on 3 occasions. Well, maybe they are being pushed over? Maybe he is giving them a subliminal suggestion? You may think it's not even in the Bible! Read John 18:6...
"As soon then as he [Jesus] had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground."
Or 1 Kings 8:11...
"So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the Lord had filled the house of the Lord."
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You may think the man in the video is just after fame or profit. Yeah, that's why he preaches at PRISONS. The followers of Christ must preach His Word.
Have you heard the term, "speaking in tounges?" It is when a person is so filled with the Holy Spirit that he speaks a language he had never spoken before, and usually doesn't even know what he is saying. Here is an example of a young man who spoke perfect Hebrew with no knowledge of the language whatsoever. Here is an expert of what he said:
"You will bring rest and destroy all sicknesses. You are one. There will be no sickness. Bring them life, Yeshua will come. He is the God of the living, for the living there will be no sicknesses. King of the living, You are above all sicknesses, and for animals too. Father, You are alive in the name of the living. Be with me. It's not above God, but on the people. King of the living, You are alive. No sicknesses. Give us more fruitfulness. Give us wisdom, King of the living. No sicknesses. He will bring us the true nature."
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"You will bring rest and destroy all sicknesses. You are one. There will be no sickness. Bring them life, Yeshua will come. He is the God of the living, for the living there will be no sicknesses. King of the living, You are above all sicknesses, and for animals too. Father, You are alive in the name of the living. Be with me. It's not above God, but on the people. King of the living, You are alive. No sicknesses. Give us more fruitfulness. Give us wisdom, King of the living. No sicknesses. He will bring us the true nature."
Have you heard of demonic possession, people possessed by evil spirits? They are real. This is a phenomenon that is in every corner of the globe. I have cast demons out of people that I know personally. And the demonic behavior ceases immediately once the spirit has left the person. Though some people today think such a belief if ridiculous, a relic of the Middle Ages, the possibility of demonic possession has always been taught by the Church. Even a quick reading of the New Testament shows that Jesus expelled "unclean spirits" from people on many occasions. Regarding demonic possession, we need to be careful and not mistake the Hollywood portrayals in movies such as The Exorcist for the real thing. True demonic possession is rare. The Church is extremely cautious in determining that someone is truly possessed. It requires the testimony of various experts - in paticular, doctors and psychiatrists - to rule out physical or psychological illness. In addition, the person thought to be possessed must demonstrate extraordinary abilities, such as unusual physical strength, knowledge of a language he or she never studied, levitation, etc. Every diocese has a priest designated by the bishop to be its official exorcist. The name of the exorcist of usually kept secret for his own protection. He must be a man of great holiness, have been ordained for many years, and be well-schooled in theology. Here is a video of what demonic deliverance looks like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG8Qzmrj4Go
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There are over 400 Old Testament prophecies about the Messiah and Jesus fufilled every one of them. Here are just a few...
Born in Bethlehem: Micah 5:2 (700 BC) Matthew 2:1
Betrayed for 30 pieces of silver: Zechariah 11:12 (500 BC) Matthew 26:14-15
Hands and Feet would be pierced: Psalm 22:16 (1000 BC) John 20:25
Soldiers would gamble for His clothing: Psalm 22:18 (1000 BC) Matthew 27:35
Given vinegar to drink: Psalm 69:21 (1000 BC) Matthew 27:48
Beaten with a rod: Micah 5:1 (700 BC) Mark 15:19
Ministry would include healing miracles: Isaiah 29:18 & Isaiah 35:5-6a (700 BC) Luke 7:20-22
Buried in a Rich man's tomb: Isaiah 53:9 (700 BC) Matthew 27:57, 59-60
From the house of David: Isaiah 16:5 (700 BC) Matthew 1:1 - 2A, 6, 16
Born of a virgin: Isaiah 7:14 (700 BC) Matthew 1:20-23
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From the house of Judah: Isaiah 37:31 (700 BC) Matthew 1:1-2, 16
Would come out of Egypt: Hosea 1 1:1 (725 BC) Matthew 2:14-15
Birth would trigger infanticide: Jeremiah 31:15 (625 BC) Matthew 2:16-18
Rejected by the Rulers: Psalm 118:22 (400 BC) Matthew 21:42, John 7:48-49
Disciples would Scatter: Zechariah 13:7 (500 BC) Matthew 26:31
From the root of Jesse: Isaiah 1 1:10 (700 BC) Matthew 1:1-2a, 5-6, 16
Be from Nazareth of Galilee: Jeremiah 31:15 (625 BC) Matthew 2:16-18
His mission would include the Gentiles: Isaiah 49:6 (700 BC) Matthew 12:14-21
Brutally Killed: Isaiah 53:8 (700 BC) Mark 15:24, John 19:18
Silver used to buy Potter's field: Zechariah 1 1: 12-13 (500 BC) Matthew 27:3-10
Rejected by His own brothers: Psalms 69:8 (1000 BC) Mark 3:20-21, John 7:1-5
Presented with gifts: Psalm 72:10 (1000 BC) Matthew 2:1, 11
Crucified with thieves: Isaiah 53:12 (700 BC) Matthew 27:38
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Preceded by a messenger: Isaiah 40:3 (700 BC) Matthew 3:1,2
Would be called Emmanuel: Isaiah 7:14 (700 BC) Matthew 1:23
Ministry would deliver spiritual captives: Isaiah 61:1-2 (700 BC) Luke 4:16-21
Darkness would fall over the land: Amos 8:9 (750 BC) Matthew 27:45
His side would be pierced: Zechariah 12:10 (500 BC) John 19:34
He would be spit upon: Isaiah 50:6 (700 BC) Matthew 26:67
Fell under the cross: Psalm 109:24 (1000 BC) John 19:17
Enter Jerusalem riding a donkey: Zechariah 9:9 (500 BC) Luke 19:35-37
Soldiers would mock him: Psalm 22:7-8 (1000 BC) Mayyjew 27:31
Betrayed by a friend: Psalm 41:9 (1000 BC) Matthew 10:4
Made intercesion for His tormenters: Isaiah 53:12 (700 BC) Luke 23:34
Teacher of parables: Psalm 78:2 (1000 BC) Matthew 13:34
Forsaken cry: Psalm 22:1 (1000 BC) Matthew 27:46
RESSURECTION: Isaiah 53:8 (700 BC) Matthew 28:2, 5-7, 9
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This proof of the prophecies would be useless without proof of Jesus' actual existence. So - how do we know He ever did exist? Well, how do we know George Washington or Abraham Lincoln ever exist? We were not there. We rely on history and records from that period. So, too, with Christ. The primary record of His existence is the Bible. Although we Christians usually think of the Bible as the Word of God, we should remember that much of it is a historical record as well. The New Testament documents, in paticular, give us vital historical information about Jesus, even though they are not intended to be extensive biographies in the modern sense. The New Testament picture of Jesus is supported by non-Christian historical sources, although there are not many of these that have survived from the time of the early Church. The probable reason for such scant non-Christian historical evidence is that the Romas, who were the main historians of the time, would not have been concerned with a small outpost of their empire like Palestine. The Jewish historian Josephus does record the existence of Jesus and the fact that He was executed under Pontius Pilate. This supports the New Testament account, as do all other ancient secular references to Christ, such as those found in the works of the Roman writers Tacitus, Suetonius, and Pliny the Younger. In fact, no serious historian today doubts that Jesus existed.
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Now we must determine whether He was who He claimed to be - the Messiah, the Lord, our Savior... God Himself. Jesus could only be 4 things - a liar, a lunatic, a New Age Master, or the Lord. Jesus turned down all political offers, even a chance to be king. He chose to die a brutal death for us. This, a liar (or opportunist) would not do. So then, was He a lunatic? Was He crazy? His teachings were clear and very rational, and they made much sense. He performed amazing miracles (healing the sick, curing the blind, casting demons out of people, bringing people back to life, etc). These are not the works of a lunatic. Was He a New Age Master (a guru, that is, trying to tell us that we are all God)? No - He clearly stated that we were sinful while He was without sin, and that we must be saved - but only through Him. Therefore, He was who He said He was - He was the Messiah, the Savior, the Lord, and our God.
Also, there are many other prophecies in the Bible, and all of them will come true. When they are all fulfilled, Jesus will come back. Read Revelation, this book contains generally most of the prophecy in the Bible. We have both SEEN the prophecies come true with our own eyes. Jesus prophesied that there would be many earthquakes, tsunamis and hurricanes. Have we not seen these disasters unfold before our own eyes on the news or read about them? The dreadful earthquakes of Haiti and Japan? Or the hurricanes Katrina or Irene? All prophecies of God's Word will come true.
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I have found four other proofs of the Creator's existence.
1. The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today. The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter. Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life. The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day. And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.
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Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees. Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body. Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees. Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter. Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.
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The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands. The human brain processes more than a million messages a second. Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.
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The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously. Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.
2. As I said before, the universe could not come together with a source. Scientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself. Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen." Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light." The universe has no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.
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3. Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.
How is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?
"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."
4. All instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this:
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110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell! Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual. Why is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop. Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it. St. Thomas Aquinas says we can know of God by reason alone. He gives five demonstrations of the existence of God. I will give you one of them and then challenge you to read St Thomas' masterpiece Summa Theologica - or check out the helpful companion book A Tour of the Somma, a summary of St. Thomas' thoughts, published by TAN books. One proof or argument is from "design." This proof says the universe could not have just come together on it's own any more than, say, a computer just "comes together" on it's own. The computer is a precise instrument that could not magically come together by random chance. It is created and designed by something greater than itself - man. But if man is vastly MORE complex than the computer, what is the sense of saying he is simply the product of wind and weather? If the computer is the obvious creation of the human mind, the human mind is an even more obvious creation of a divine mind. So we all know God exists by His handiwork. Only an all-powerful God could have orchestrated t
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The reason an atheist can't find God is the for the same reason a theif can't find a policeman. They don't WANT to find him, they don't WANT to seek him. They fear the possibility of God as a theif fears the possibility of being caught by a policeman.
Human beings are extremely intelligent beings who built the world we live in today. If we are mere bacteria to the actual world and yet are so intelligent, how can there not be a God who GAVE us this special gift? I can push further - how big is the earth to the sun? Or the sun to the galaxy? Or the galaxy to the UNIVERSE? Nothing. And yet there are these tiny, seemlingly useless beings found deep in this little speck of dirt floating through space who have built their complicated way of living, erected massive towers, and made inventions so complicated that the course of humanity was changed forever. Mankind is the only race on earth that has changed the planet the most. Only a divine God could have given us the supreme intelligence we use each day.
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God's existence will never be fully proven. People ask for solid, physical proof of His existence. The Creator is a pure, all-powerful spirit, and therefore cannot be proven "physically," by mere humans. If it was possible, though, His existence would have been fully proven by now, don't you think? God loves you very much, every little particle of your soul with an infinite love that we will never fully understand.
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And now for my opinion on pornograpghy. It is sinful for an number of reasons. The first reason is because it fosters impure thoughts, which are sins against the sixth and ninth commandments (6: Thou shall not commit adultery, 9: Thou shall not covet your neighbour's wife). Second, it easily leads to impure actions such as masturbation, fornication, and adultery. Third, it can bring about a desire for unnatural sex acts because pornography presents a warped view of human sexuality. According to a study done at the University of Utah, pornography:
1. stimulates and arouses sexual feelings;
2. shows and instructs in detail how to do the act;
3. legitimizes the act through repeated exposure, and increases the likelihood the viewer will act out what he or she sees.
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Another study at a New York University showed that repeated viewing of pornography leads to an increase in rape. In interviews given before their deaths, serial killers Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer stated that their addiction to pornography contributed to their dehumanization of their victims, which made killing them much easier. Some experts have said that pornography can be as addictive as some of the most potent drugs. Pornography deadens the senses. It reduces the opposite sex to a mere object of pleasure. It also stifles one's ability to communicate, which will be very harmful to a future dating relationship and to marriage. One would ask, "if nudity is 'natural,' why is it wrong to look at pornography?" Though nudity could be called "natural" - in the sense that we are born without clothing - it is definitely NOT natural for us to be walking around nude in public. Why is this? Is it because our bodies are bad or shameful? Not at all. Our bodies are holy creations of God; they are inherently good. In fact, it would be heretical to hold that the body is evil. However, our passions have become disordered because of original sin. This is because Adam and Eve covered themselves in fig leaves to hide their nakedness. It was not because their bodies were bad; it was because they were so good, they didn't want them exposed to the lustful look of the other. Pornography is wrong because it degrades - rather than celebrates - the human body. This is the great difference between the nudity found in great works of art and that found in pornography. The true artist wants to celebrate the beauty of God's creation, but the pornographer only wants to arouse lust. Pornography leads to a warped view of sexuality. It causes us to view others as objects to be used, instead of as persons to be respected, cherished, and valued as unique individuals. Thus, it is wrong to look at pornography not only because you are abusing your own gift of sexuality by indulging your sexual desire selfishly, but also because you are strengthening
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a habit of selfishness that will eventually harm your relationships with others. Also, pornography can become addictive and lead to perverse sexual behaviors, which further degrade those involved.

- ManOfKnowledge
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I have briefly read through all of your statements, I have yet to FULLY analyze them and respond. Since you have wrote PLENTY, it will take me a WHILE to get back to you. I've got a fairly busy life, but if you are as interested on these topics as I am, I think we'll have a great time debating and perhaps come to a greater understanding between each other after a period of time. I will post ALL my comments at once hopefully by the weekend because it would be overwhelming by now to go back, then back again to analyze little things, over and over again. What I do have to say about your writing, I think you will find very interesting and hopefully you take it with an open mind and not with anger.
Anyways I have a strong respect for you, you know quite a lot more than I do (it's hard to admit that for a guy like me haha) but what I can do, is understand so many things with complete regards to the logic of our universe and the feelings of others. By your regards I am a sinful guy, but I don't look at it the same way... anymore. I seriously am just DYING to write more at the moment, but I have homework to finish and religious Ed to go to. Once again I'll get back to you when I can in a few days. There is NO need to bring up any other arguments or events, but I'll allow you to write just a paragraph about yourself or whatever if you really want to. I can't wait to get back to all your comments! Really, thanks for taking the time, i'll talk to you later.
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I too have respect for you and everyone. I appreciate you saying I know "quite a lot more than you," (indeed, I AM a Man Of Knowledge :) )but remember that both your and my knowledge is a God given gift. It is the Holy Spirit who works through me, providing answers for the people of Ask.com. It is His knowledge, not I, that has brought us here together.

- ManOfKnowledge
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Even though you may be "a man of knowledge" that still doesn't mean you don't misconstrue the meaning of things and come up with false conclusions. I'll try to help you see some of the flaws in your reasoning, I think I'm about 1/3 of the way done, so i probably won't post all of it until about Tuesday, just a guess.
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I have tirelessly evaluated everything you told me. I have spend countless hours trying to understand and explain the things in which we are bringing up. So I would greatly appreciate if you read all I have to say (ignore the numbering). Some things I am about to post may be hard for you to hear, but again I hope you take it with less anger and more of an open-mind. If you chose to not finish reading all of it or to just rationalize it all away you are only ignoring what you don't understand. I think you'll take it okay, but I suggest you think about it for a few days instead of posting your initial feelings to it. I apologize ahead of time if I come off a little mean at times, it is only to emphasize my point.
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1.) I think the universe itself is the source, that it always has existed along with the matter within it, but only continues with rearranging matter, never creating it. I don't think anything exists out of time, space or matter. The laws of our universe are unchangeable, and our universe encompasses Everything in existence. I never particularly focused on the Big Bang theory and that specific theory was Never a reason for my doubt in faith. That doesn't mean that theory might have some valid points about how elements combined and formed planets and everything else in existence later on. LISTEN UP, a HUGE contradiction, that even I made myself is that Christians think that the things in this universe are so complex that it Couldn't have been created Without some supreme being or force. Well don't you realize that your perception of god is infinitely more complex than the concept of the universe itself? If one of your arguments is "The universe couldn't have created itself" and that nothing can create itself then where the hell did some insanely complex being sprout up out of the middle of nowhere. You yourself even said that even the simplest of organisms are crazy complex and couldn't just happen by chance, but how can you alter your beliefs when you come to testify that god is real. If it is true he exists, he would be the most infinitely complex thing in our universe. I will get to later why that is highly improbable.
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2.) And that whole "how" and "why" stuff isn't very accurate because actually science and religion both explain how things came into existence and why we continue to live. What you did there is redefined "why", by limiting it to only things that require a "philosophical" reason on how or why our life should be lived to the fullest, that includes what people believe to be in the best interest of others, what is "good" or "bad" what is socially unacceptable (you'll hear me make many references to that). Evolution is just as much of a theory as creationism is, and to argue that evolution isn't fully proved is to admit you own faith with creationism isnt fully proved. Except what even makes that more ironic is that evolution has much more actual evidence than creationism does. I took a year of biology last year and learned quite a bit about it. Evolution is made possible from random mating, migration, homologous and analogous structures and genetic variation. Denying evolution is like denying the force of gravity to be there. Your looking at the less than one percent of information that can argue against evolution and not for it. Just because life has never came from non-life doesn't mean it can't. What if ten years from now scientists discover how to replicate a zygote and fertilize it just using what you refer to as "just chemicals"? I'm guessing that wouldn't be enough scientific evidence to sway you. Scientists haven't done it yet because your right a living organism is insanely complex. Our universe has existed for an infinite period of time, it's taken a googolplex (yes that number is just a ton bigger than 10 to the 4 millionth power) of years just to make these simple organisms. I don't know where you got that statistic but it doesn't apply when your talking about an infinite amount of time, crazy things happen with an infinite amount of time. But it is all due to evolution and organisms changing to be more suited to there environment over a period of millions of years. I wouldn't expect people to be able to conceptualize that amount of time accurately so it isn't hard to make false predictions.
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3.) (let's imagine your thinking in a very similar way) God is more complex than a human being, which is the most COMPLEX life form on this planet. Religion is not only immoral it is illogical. A complex being, like god, couldn't have happened by "blind chance". Because religion denies the action and laws of our universe, it is not just a false but a dangerous view to hold. (unquote) Humans are goddam animals, unless of course we are plants, bacteria, or protists etc. obviously not... And if you say humans shouldn't be treated like animals, then animals shouldn't even be treated in that way! It all depends in the moral standard you feel accountable for. I believe and always have believed that genesis stories were meant to be taken in a allegorical sense, nobody lived back then to prove it. God has never physically talked or "commanded" people to do things, because... well I think you know what I think about.
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4.) All those things you posted that we "should" believe in just once again aren't necessarily literal and I must confess don't have a great regard for logic. Evolution is scientifically proven and widely accepted please if you need to learn more about it check out this

http://ideonexus.com/2012/02/12/101-reasons-why-evolution-is-true/

You think gods creation in literally breathing people into life and things like that is obviously not true, but how can you also not question that god is actually a personal, omniscient being that physically knows our thoughts and sees our actions. Yeah it's good people are given a little religious freedom inside their religion. Scientists have strong evidence that suggests we evolve from apes. Mary Leaky discovered skeletons of a few different apes that link us to monkeys with the high probability we had a common ancestor. Yes scientists and even in a more broad sense, professionals, make mistakes, by either over-looking something or over-analyzing it. But we can't forget that most of those problems have been solved and figured out by modern technology and more testing. Fossil evidence combined with plenty of other things do lead to the acceptance of evolution. I think that one day we will have a Much better clue on how we came into existence, that is the day people start living more open- minded and happy lives.
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5.) Some claim, that they have seen the actual body of Christ after it was transformed from a host. Do we have good reason to believe its true? It could have been caused by numerous circumstances, and yet occurred as a total coincidence. I think the "consistency" of people's stories of heaven is caused by the simple fact that is what most people think it will be like, don't you realize those statements are very general? I have watched a clip on the phenomenon I death and it scientifically explained how it might create an out-of-body experience and that you would see bright lights due to overreacting nerves. Everything people describe in heaven and hell alike, relates to things we experience and have on earth (gold, grass, sulfur, etc.). Don't you think people would have a harder time explaining the supernatural? I sure think they would.
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6.) Are you sure the breast cancer disappearing was scientifically unexplainable? How many tests did they do? I know it is hard to imagine otherwise, but I think it was rare coincidence, or very easily explained by scientific reasoning. To be completely honest, I cannot explain any of those miracles, it is beyond my knowledge of the situations. Even if those stories were true, why does god chose to heal others, but yet let others suffer and die? I have a story for you, my religion teacher told us he had a daughter who was married. She got pregnant, but the baby she gave birth to was weak and hardly alive. My religion teacher, Phil, said he prayed so hard for the child to live, the hardest he prayed in his entire life. The just born child died just minutes later. This is a sad story and my religion teacher who is of good faith experienced it, he said, "After that, I decided never to ask God why it had to happen this way." He also told us about how he had a friend growin up who went to church with him and was taught the Christian faith just as well as he was taught. That friend of his died an athiest a few monthes ago. Phil is a great guy, he just didn't understand how that could happen.
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7.) I'm not going to deny everything you tell me, I'm sure a lot of it is true. It's the conclusions you draw from them that is the most important though. However I don't really believe in the "speaking in tongues stories. Those people must have heard that language at some point in time, or the stories aren't true, have they ever been proven from investigation? So I watched the movie "Paranormal Activity" a month ago. Ever thing was taped, things seemed so consistent and unexplainable, by the end I had almost believed demons or ghosts were real. I looked up the movie, and the people were actors, the movie instead was all special effects. So yes, you are right that's only Holleywoods false portrayal of demons. Still what that did show me is that, if presented with enough information you can lead people to believe just about anything, thats just how Christians believe in god.
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8.) The prophecies that all came true could have been written after they happened. Their is no such thing as destiny or prophecies, I can be whatever I want to be today, tomorrow and the next day. If the decision is completely left up to me, I can chose whatever, a god would not know what would happen to me in the future because it is not planned out. The difference between knowing Jesus was real compared to George Washington and Abraham Lincoln, is that our president lived about 200 years ago, while Jesus supposedly lived 2000 years ago. Stories really change with time, to be honest I think a person named Jesus existed, maybe he was a great man, but as the story was written and passed down people exaggerated to make it sound much more interesting. Miracles sound more more interesting, but I don't believe in them in the situations that people think they are caused by the "act of god". Saying we know Jesus did all those miracles is like believing the stories of Poseidon, Zeus and all other Greek gods. The stories are so similar, they are constructed so that a supreme being had supernatural powers and caused the earth to get to the point it is at now. Several gods were even given the same birthday of Dec. 25th which is during the solstice. Gods explain to us how our universe works, which is causing people to ignore the actually principles and laws of science.
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9.) I am very familiar with the arguement that our universe is "too perfect to not be created by a god." This was the only reason I really believed in god for the past year. However now I can finally explain it. I'll give you analogy first... Take a puddle for example, it is the perfect size for the hole that's it's in, creatures can even live inside the puddle and drink out of it. The water inside the puddle is what gives those creatures life. The puddle is in a place where it is not cold enough to freeze and yet not hot enough to evaporate too quickly. We start to think, "That puddle was meant to be there." That that is its purpose in life. Actually this can easily be explained, earth can sustain life so perfectly because things followed a sequence and turned out the way it's environment caused it too. Back to the analogy, the hole of the puddle was created by the amount of water splashing into it, just a force explained by physics. So it that sense, animals and all living things weren't given the perfect place to live, they adapted and evolved to better suit the environment in which they live. The rest is coincidence, earth was created to be a certain size due to the laws of physics and is able to sustain life.
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10.) Water is very unique (I am taking chemistry at school now) and because of its properties, life on earth has turned out the way it has. I could really go into detail like you, but I don't really have to. The brain is very complex and again it has evolved to be able to do all those things. Yes we only need our senses to survive, but we why do we have emotion? We have evolved to have emotion, with it we understand more, we are happier, we live longer. Animals have emotion too, plants don't have "emotion" but all living organism respond to environmental stimuli, humans emotion is just so much more sophisticated and in depth. Evolution doesn't provide the evidence for how things "started out", instead coincidence (better explained as "science" and "nature") would simply explain how things existed. The universe has no explanation of the sudden existence of a supreme being. A universe would have to have constants, it only makes logical sense to me. It is our creative human minds and our lack of intelligence which comes up with these crazy thoughts. Some things are the way they are, science explains itself, and that makes perfect sense to me, I've always been very good a math and science a little bit too. I have already taken biology last year, I know quite a bit about protein sequences, amino acids, synthesis, everything we learned in that class. Those adenine, guanine, cytosine and thymine actually are just chemicals. Did you know everything exists in the "physical realm"? Chemicals do certain things in our bodies because of the way the atoms fit together with other parts, they bond because of their "charge" and "need" of electrons. Science is the cause of us, since we are a part of science so are the computers we make, even though they aren't "natural" they can exist and function properly.
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11.) I have tried to find god. As a matter of fact, I think you should really know, a friend of mine who is an atheist kinda taught me about some of these things. He used to be a very religious boy and he went to my church and religion a few years ago. He tried to find god, but didn't and lost his faith, the same thing is happening to me. Everything influences the outcome of the earth, humans are extremely intelligent but we are being a little arrogant to say we shaped MOST of the earth. But if he does exist, why would there be so much physical proof against him? A god doesn't love me, I would know by now if one did. I really do care about others though, i live my life for them. I love my enemies, but yet I am still a human, and certain things are inconceivable for me to do, even if I know theorectically how it can be done.
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12.) Pornography only sometimes leads to one of those with me, which is masturbation. I haven't been able to stop (i guess i have no extreme reason to stop) but i have slowed the amount of times I do it. Pornography shows people in their natural state of being naked, there is nothing "warped" about that. How can you say human were born into something that should be covered up? We only started wearing clothes because it was cold, and later one it was because people would be tempted. I don't look at pornography the same way anymore, it is beautiful and it doesn't give me a dopamine rush like it used to. I am not even close to being addicted to it, I saw the first pornographic pictures years ago and I maybe look at some picture of a completely or partially naked woman every week or two. I love art, and I love nature and it's beauty. I have about 300 pictures of beautiful women, about 50 of them would be considered pornographic. I have about 500 pictures of natural beautiful things in nature, like sunsets, forests, space, things that just look amazing. I get the same feeling from them, the same amazement and awe of the beauty. I actually slightly prefer to look at nature. Our society constructs our views and says "pornography is bad". I think pornography accepts the human body for what it is, it doesn't really degrade us, unless it is only focused on a single part because their is so much more than just that. We should be taught not to be ashamed of our sexuality, it is who we are. And if lust exists, so let it, for lust is not inherently bad.
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Please if you do have anything to add please be more concise and don't repeat yourself. But I'd like you to think about what I have said for a few days before you comment again. I can assure you I am living a great life, but it's actually pretty busy right now haha. I understand the feelings of others because I have been put in the place of a lot of those people and some time in my life. If there is something I don't know, I know what it is. I'm going to ask you something you probably wouldn't expect me to ask at this point but could you give me some sources that include the entire bible? I'm looking for something easy to access and most likely free, does a "bible app" include all of the stories? I'd really like to read about the actual stories again myself, I've heard them in church but there are so many I have forgot. Or if you have a website that includes links or information to almost all of the bible stories word for word (translated of course) that would be great if i could check it out. As of right now I'm technically am a Christian until I can fully prove to myself god doesn't exist (or does). I am going to read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins, when my friend (who is the atheist that really educated me) can give it to me. I will continue living my great life, to help others, and be the fullest of who I want to be, not necessarily what others want me to be.
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You have also wrote a lot, my friend, and therefore I must analyze everything you posted. Might take a while. You are a Christian as long as you fully love and believe in Jesus as the Son of God and our Savior.

- ManOfKnowledge
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I will post my comments soon, if not in a week.

- ManOfKnowledge
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Alright, take your time if you need a week. Like I said, try to be more concise, I myself don't even state every argument there is to disprove certain theories. Quality is more important than quantity to me in this case. I'll talk to you then.
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Actually, I will not be able to post for a while. I'm getting really busy, so the next comments here will probably be in a month. Sorry about that, but please be patient as I get my things together. Thanks
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Are you serious? A month? Well good luck with all the things you have going on, I will eagerly await your reply.
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Maybe not a month, but not for a while.
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Well don't forget about it, I really want your insight on some things.
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