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What verse(s) in the bible talk about going to hell if you never have heard the gospel?

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dross1958

Absolutely none of them,

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Please don't post if you have no idea. If you disagree that is fine. You don't have to write though.
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dross1958
Pardon me ? I answered and it is the correct answer - You do not have to comment and be rude if you do not agree.
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Who said he didn't know? What verse does say that those who have not heard of the gospel will be damned to hell?
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Dross, please take your own advice. I wrote that because of your other statement in someone else's answer.
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@Jake I was asking because I didn't know if there was for sure but Dross was rude in another post so I took it as negative like his other comment.
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Alright, but the answer is correct.
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I haven't personally read that but if someones reading a bible then they know the gospel and know to teach it to all. It's hard to imagine someone not hearing it SOMEWHERE along the line but I'm sure it can happen... Especially in other countries. That's why missionary's work so hard and put their lives at stake to teach it. Alot of other countries are worshipping other gods and THAT will earn a place in hell.

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dross1958
It is so sad that there are people like you in the 21st Century with no respect or regard for other people's beliefs. Especially religions that predate yours by thousands of years.
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I liked the first part of your answer but I must say I disagree with you in the part of other religions worshiping other gods...
If they don't know of God, if they've never heard of the gospel, how can they know they're wrong or right?
I don't think there's a place in hell for these persons UNLESS they reject the message of God.
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Sorry for flagging the question. Didn't mean to. I don't think the Bible says it like that. Romans 2: 12-16 speaks of being judged according to what you know. What you did with what you understood. Some who have not heard the law (and therefore the Gospel) will be justified by a right heart and righteous deeds. The problem is that we naturally follow sin and not God, and so if we do not hear, we do not have the chance to believe and repent. I think everyone will get the "chance" -- somehow. For God is just. And loving. He finds no pleasure in the death of anyone.
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Those religions that predated ours--which you could say started with Abraham--were demonstrably wicked and fully deserving of God's wrath. It is written that Jesus preached in Hell to those lost souls.
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I believe there's a place in hell for them but if they've never known the word, I believe their torment will b less than say, a person who knew but chose not to accept it. I also believe that people who weren't saved but were "good people" would have less torment than someone who weren't saved but did horrible things in life. And I really don't mean any disrespect to any PERSON, I just believe what I believe. I have seen my God do so much in my life and others that I can't believe anything else if I tried. When I look at some other religions or countries, I see corruptness within the churches and their beliefs. Yes, that can happen anywhere but if u live by the BIBLE, there would b NO corruptness. That's all I know! Things that people see ok in some religions and cultures r not good in Gods eyes and there's a reason for it. It'll breed more "unclean" things. If you need examples, I'll provide them.
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The bible also teaches that we will pay for our ancestors sins... I always wondered about that... Maybe somewhere along the way your family or in some instances our CULTURE stops teaching the word, we may never hear it. But yes, I agree, and believe that everyone will have a chance to hear it somewhere along the way. Some of us will turn a deaf ear to it (perhaps on a radio station) and choose not to let it in. It's definitely a debatable question. Maybe a bible study is in order!
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Lois you are wrong. Messiah taught to those of Noah's day when He died. Not Abrahams descendants.
The Torah was verbally or spiritually passed down to Abraham, and from there to his children and theirs.
It wasn't until they were enslaved by Egypt that they lost it. That is why one of the first things God did when He delivered them was take them to sinai, and give it to then again.
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Also, it makes no sense.... If we stopped teaching the word altogether, would everyone go to heaven then? I don't think so. I think we have to keep on teaching and learning so that we can go to heaven. The bible was made so that people could get the word no matter what. It's our guide for living. Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth. Most of us choose to live to make ourselves happy but I say, live to make God happy so we can get to heaven!
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agree with you dross


Wiz1200 you said the bible is your instruction of life, tell me what does it say about the problem alcohol, rasicsm, extra supply of women ? does it give u the solution for the heavy drunkers. How about the economy, today the world’s economy is going down does the bible has something to say about it. how about the incests in the bible. you feel okay reading these allegations againts prophets of God. As a matter of fact it’s given to you in the bible how to rape your own sister in details, David set you an example how to rape 2 Samuel 13:6. Are these your instructions or what ? are people going to get their daughters pregnant because prophet Lot peace be upon him did it according to the bible ? let me know if im following so far
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You're not looking at Gods role as our father.

A father makes rules and guidelines to keep us safe, moral, in line, etc.
If we merely stumble though life, cashing in on our fathers good grace not to paddle us for disobeying simply because we don't know, that is not His goal.
As a father, He wants to be close to His children. Have a relationship with them. To have their love and respect.

It's a race. And like any race, the goal is to finish well.
In NASCAR, the goal is not to make it around the track 200 times without dying in a fiery heap.
In the 100 yard dash, the goal is to be the first one at the finish line, not to avoid tripping over your own shoe laces.

The Word was given to guide us, to help us. To make us Holy.
By keeping the good
News to yourself is like the man who was given a number of talents.

Look at the ultimate goal. Not what you have to barely accomplish to squeeze through the bars of the gates in the new Jerusalem.
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were you talking to me Jakespeare ?
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Momo, you speak in ignorance again

Amnon raped his sister. The verse
In 2 Samuel is neither condoning it, or instructing it. In fact, if you read on, you'd see that he was killed for it. And king David never pursued his killer. For it was good for him to die.

As for Lot, he was not a prophet.
His salvation from sodom was not for his own righteousness. But that of his uncle, Abram.

And yes, the plan of economy is clearly layer out in the Torah. Even to the welfare system set up for the widow and the orphans and the travelers with you. The corners of
Every field. Which is what Ruth and Naomi ate of in Boaz' field.

If you followed the Torah, Yahweh said "So there shall be no poor among you".
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No, the first comment was to Wiz, the one above this is addressed to you.
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Thank u jakespeare. The bible didn't tell us to do those things, just showed us instances to see what God does when we do. Please study more so ull see the whole picture, not just the horrible thongs. God is loving and solid but He's also strict and wrathful!
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I meant things, not "thongs". Lol
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Oh, and I do look at God as my Father. People who know nothing of Him and His word won't at first, however. Yes, we are His children who he has given rules to follow, but we have to also remember to TEACH others! I only meant to explain that his rules were made in a way to keep peace among all of us. It really does show u how to handle ANYTHING and even when u do RIGHT ull have bad times, but that's ur tests God gives u. The book of Job explains alot of that.
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Can I ask you where did the people learn or got the idea of incesting with their daughters and mothers ? Isn't from the bible ?
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It was an implanted idea from the enemy. The fallen angels. It was STRICTLY FORBIDDEN in the Torah.
Wickedness is like an egg, conceived
In the hearts of wicked men who has turned away from their creator.
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Momo004, he's right. God didn't give us the wicked nature. It's all explained in Genesis. God told Adam and Eve not to do something, Satan talked them into it, which was disobedience. They were punished and we all still carry some of that punishment. Were BORN sinners because of that. We all have our own will but were supposed to learn and do Gods will. He plainly says, don't drink or eat too much... We do it anyway and we become alcoholics, fat and lazy. He didn't do it to is... WE DID IT. If u find yourself in that situation, go to Him and he'll HELP you find ur way. You have to work on it yourself. He CAN TAKE it from u if u have faith and if that's His will to glorify Himself. God is AWESOME! I really hope u come to see Him work in your life! You have to let Him in.
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then why do you say i speak from ignorence
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i do know God Wiz1200 and I do worship Him. i dont worship His creation that's the only difference between me and you, you worship Jesus and I worship God alone. but you are right we all are sinners and we must repent :)
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Ignorance just means ur not taught. Ur speaking of things that r explained in the bible but only understanding part of it. Our nature is sinful. Therefore we do sinful things but we don't HAVE TO! Thats why I said doing one corrupt thing will lead to another if u don't keep a check on yourself. Some people think drinking socially is ok if ur not an alcoholic... Think about what u do when u get drunk tho. People say hateful things, inappropriate things, do things they regret, fight, etc... That's y the bible teaches to have God on ur mind when u get up, when u go about ur day and when u go to bed. Otherwise ull find urself thinking worldly thoughts and doing wicked things.. Sorry, I know u were speaking to jakespeare.. Just didn't want u to think he was being mean. (or she?)
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No momo...they are ALL right! You never listen to anybody. Never want truth. Never read chapter and verse they give you to your answers. The Bible says the heart is deceitfully wicked who can know it. Man can and has committed incest from all times even without reading it in the Bible! You KNOW it wasn't condoning it in the Bible. You pervert the word of God as usual! You know all this already.... You are not new, i say all this for others to see your folly. I stand up for the word of the LIVING GOD... Not a dead statue.
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also greengables, the bible says in Matthew 7:22 " Many will come to me on that day saying Lord, Lord did we not cast out devils and in your name do this and this..then Jesus will reply GET AWAY FROM YOU EVILDOERS I NEVER KNEW YOU"
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Your ignorance comes from trying to lead others to believe that King David teaches us it is ok to rape our sisters, and claiming that Lot was a prophet who teaches us to have incest with our children. That is ignorance.

And Yeshua (Jesus) was and is the son of Yahweh, the Torah made flesh.
Yahweh is our Elohiem, Yahweh is one. To worship the Son is to worship the Father. As He said, He speaks not of Himself, but of His father.
There is no difference. Yahweh came to earth. To be the Pesach (Passover) sacrifice, that no man born in sin could be. So He was conceived of the spirit, bypassing the generational curse of Adam, to become the spotless lamb who was sacrificed once and for all, cleansing all humanity past and present, as no amount of animal blood has done before or could do again.
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I know God is the Father and Jesus is His son. I worship both. Think about what both of them did for us! God let his only flesh born son be beaten and tortured and Jesus did it for OUR sakes!!! Would WE do that??? I can't imagine it! Jesus is a PART of God. U have to accept Him as what He is to be truly saved!
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anas95
you do stand up for statue, why are you lying are you ashame. you bow down to your cross and worship a man that some filty jews can kill
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anas95
Jakespeare:

so Jesus is God but hes on the cross screaming to God...My God, My God.. why have you forsaken me.. So God can die and then speak to himself on a cross or something..Thats strange..I guess God needs sleep, like jesus did.. or do you assume that God need to go to the bathroom to release himself like men..I will tell you this..If jesus is your God whom died and came back 3days later. then i wouldnt want a God like your Jesus character..My God is Almighty and needs No help from none of his creature..
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I NEVER KNEW YOU refers to people who have never been born again, received salvation, accepted christ,...all the same. For if they had done this, Christ could never say: I NEVER KNEW YOU.
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Why do u say filthy Jews? Once upon a time, we were all the same. God changed that. How r they any less than us? Hate is NOT a good characteristic for ANYONE, Christian or not!
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stop confusing yourself, what is the use of calling him Lord if you never accepted him or never been born again. only christians call him lord nobody else does. Okay. this is y he's coming back to tell you. you call him god when he told u that your god is one.
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Yeshua WAS a Jew. And his
Life was taken by no man. It was a willing sacrifice. If the Jews didn't want to kill him, then the true believers would have had to lay him on the cross and nail him to it on His own order!
Your blind eyes cannot see that the cross is not a thing to be worshipped, anymore than the tomb in which he was laid, or the ground on which he walked.
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anas95
the jews back then were filty. Jesus called them by an evil adulterous generation not me.. im just quoting what jesus called them
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In anwer to anas & his pal momo, i worship a LIVING GOD and i do not bow down to any graven image.
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Good point greengables. That proves the point that just because u do good doesn't make u heaven bound!
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This is a good discussion and I hope it has helped all of us in a good way but I'll have to ttyl. I gots stuff to get done roun here!
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anas95
ussually when people were crucified they were consired cursed people and wherever their bodies were laid was also considered cursed ground. what do you have to say about that.
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Christ, who was sinless took all sins upon himself as a final substitute. Christ who was not cursed took all the curse of the law upon himself so we would be redeemed from the curseof the law. Christ took all 39 stripes on his back so that we would be healed. Christ took our poverty so we would have life abundant. And His word maketh rich. He took all our guilt, sin, and shame as well. Yes anas, He took it all so we don't have to. Again, read the Holy Bible.
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Yeshua condemned the Pharisees who promoted a babylonian and assimilated stance for the keeping of traditions over the laws of God. They were the cursed generation. Knowing he would be crucified by his own people, He wept for them. He said He longed to gather them to Him as a hen gathers her chicks. While suffering an unimaginable pain and death on the stake, His words were "forgive them, FOR THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY DO". Does it sound like He condemned them as filthy?
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I love Jesus peace be upon him and i follow his teachings than most Chrisitians do. why do you reject his sayings of alcohol and pork. everyone knows that the muslims do not consume pork or alcohol. greengable, you told me to read the bible, Paul is telling your women that she must not go out without veiling herself, how come your women in Chrisitanity dont ? I have GREAT respect for the nuns and monks because they are truly following the teachings of Jesus. look at the nuns they are dressed lile our muslim women and mary peace be upon her. all the monks and nuns say that the muslim people would be the best ppl in the world if we would take Jesus as our Lord. this is the only think we are missing accoridng to them but that we are angles walking on earth( not talking about the black sheeps in our community). We stay away from every evil action, alcohol, gambling, adultery,interest, idol worship. but you Chrisitan here most of you probably are dealing with all these activites correct ? correct me if im wrong. people say muslim people kill you for renouncing your faith when the bible itself approves it, same thing for adultress and adulterous stoning to death.. you call names becuase we follow our book than you is that y ?
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you see greengables, if i ask you which bible are you talking about, what is your answer ? i want to know which bible are you talking about because there are dozens of dozens of bibles with different kinds of versions. which want are you talking about ?

the Roman Catolics they have their bible called the catolic version and that bible has 73 books, now must I accept that one or accept yours. I take it you are a protestant, you protested againts 7 books in the catolic verision so yours got 66 books.
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anas95
very good question momo, i guest he's gonna go ask his priest for the answer and come back here.
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anas95
Jakespeare thanks for the explanation but when Jesus siad adulterous generation he was talking to the Jews. was he talking to the romans ? do not try to twis the words that are there, it explicitly says " you who the Jews ofcourse seeking for a sign you evil and adulterous generation..."
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Matthew 23:23- "Woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weighter matters of the law, judgement, mercy and faith: these things ye ought to have done, and no to leave the other undone."
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There are 66 books in the Bible and different translations, however, only the hebrew for the old testament, and greek for the new testament will give the truly accurate meaning of the scripture and said words. All you out there, i highly recommend watching Joseph Prince on daystar. He will give you accurate teaching and uses the greek and hebrew and then you will plainly understand.
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A translation is just that. If a bible has a specific denomination on it such as "catholic" , "watchtower", "morman", etc... Then it is only THEIR point of view bible, their words, not Christ. Same with the quran. If you want to know at any time whether a certain religion is a true christian one, then ask them this: Who do you say Jesus is? If they do not say he is the only begotten Son of God, born of a virgin, suffered and died on the cross for our redemption, rose from the dead on the third day, sits at the right hand of the Father ever LIVING to make intercession for us, then that religion is not of God.
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Are you for real greengables, did you even bother reading the question? Why did the Protestants protested against 7 books from the Catholic version bcuz they both had 73 books at first? u don't have to repeat what I said just answer. I do not want a speech from your side on this topic, a very simple straight forward answer plz.
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Read the above answer. It's not a real bible, it's the catholic version. Any trye christ folliwer would object to adding or subtracting from his word...get it? So others are not swayed and mislead.
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Don't confuse us greengables with you. Every Muslims knows his God. Go to Africa and ask the Muslim there who is Allah or what is Islam about, he will tell you the same thing I would tell you here in north America. Ask him to read the Quran he will read the same I would read to you. We are one in religion. There is only one version of the Quran and millions of people have already memorized it. Half of you Christians say Jesus is God and the half says he's not, which one of you is lying? There is only one author and it's Allah unlike the bible written by 40 different authors. The KJV is authorized by James not God correct?
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anas95
you may as well say it's only the bible instead of it's only the catholic version. how do you think a protestant would feel reading your last answer ?
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How hard is this for you? They, the different ones i mentioned call it a bible, but it' really their version of the word of God. Not the Holy Bible, inspired word of God. I'm not talking about just translations like king james, niv, etc. They literally distort, half truth the word of God according to their beliefs, and put it in a "book".
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anas95
momo what did the Jews say about Mary. I know that they called her an adulterous because she never gets over of this finger pointing at her when she comes back with a baby and she's not married. I read her chapter Mary in the Quran but u know better so where is it that she gets over with Jesus.
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well u see anas the Holy Quran confirms that Jesus is the Christ. The problem with the Jews was that they insinuated that Jesus pbuh because he had no earthly father that he was the illegitimate child of Mary pbuh so either the Muslim must accept that or accept what the Christian say that his father is God. Now this is where the Quran comes to rectify the misconception between the 2. The Jews and the Christians, the Jews are going in one extreme and the Christians are going in the other extreme. The Quran says 4:171" O people of the book do not commit excess in your religion or say anything about God except the truth. For most certainly the Christ, Jesus son of Mary is a messenger of God. His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in God and His messengers. And do not say, "Trinity"; desist, it is better for you. Indeed, God is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son."
so it confirms and it rectifies them wherever they made their interpolations, the trinity is a fabrication it says so(your Christian scholars too say so) This is the book of God. It is conforming was it true and what was in the Torah and bible. If you say God is One it confirms, you say adultery is evil it confirms that stealing is bad it confirms and ect..so whatever is right it confirms and then wherever u have made ur mistakes it corrects u and it replaces with the right answer.

better now anas :)
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anas95
yes momo thank you. The verse u quoted is one of my favorite from Quran because it's so beautiful in its meaning and it's so explicit that no one can have a different interpretation for it. It's good that we have Muslims like u who know their religion and can debate with others from other faith. May Allah be pleased with you and be with you momo. you're doing a good job in protecting Jesus's honor and his mother from any blasphemy :)
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anas95
Why can't we Muslims and the christian sit on the same platform. I would love it because after all our book says momo that the christians are the closest ppl to us.
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you see anas this problem u should pose it to the Christians because the Muslim has given his hand of friendship. Look we say Jesus is the Christ, the Muslim say he was the messiah, we say he was born miraculously that he gave life to the dead by GOD's permission, he healed those born blind leper. The Muslim is giving his hand of friendship over and over and over again. Now this good spirit of yours you should expand it on your Christian friend and ask them that look since the Muslims are coming forward y aren't you prepare to give your hand of acceptance and say we also believe that Muhammas is a prophet of God ?
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Muhammad*

and thanks anas for the blessings :) may the peace and blessings of God be upon you too
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Half truths. Jesus the Son of God was all that and SO much more. Not just a prophet; a miracle worker; born of the virgin mary; he IS the only begotten Son of the Living God; sent by his Father to come down from Heaven to become flesh and blood to become the final substitute, the final sacraficial lamb; to suffer and die on the cross to pay the once and for all penalty for all our sins instead of the blood of bulls and goats, which had to be done year after year, never changing anybody, no transforming power that only Christ and his Holy Spirit can do; who redeemed us from the very curse of the law which never could be met, and now has a new covenant of GRACE, unmerited, undeserved favor and blessings upon our lives, because of our lord and savior- God's Son, who stepped into our world for our sakes. Oh yes, he is SO MUCH MORE! God loved us enough being Holy, Righteous, and Just, to give of himself, that we will live forever with him accepting his sacraficial lamb, through his Son Jesus Christ. John 14:6 "I am the way, the truth and the life: no one cometh to the Father but by me".
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greengables this is a small chapter of Jesus and his mother from the Quran, thought you may be interesting because now it's time for me to let the Quran speak for itself.

Quran 3:42-48 " The angels said, "O Mary, GOD has chosen you and purified you. He has chosen you from all the women. O Mary, you shall submit to your Lord, and prostrate and bow down with those who bow down. This is news from the past that we reveal to you. You were not there when they drew their raffles to select Mary's guardian. You were not present when they argued with one another. The angels said, "O Mary, GOD gives you good news: a Word from Him whose name is `The Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary. He will be prominent in this life and in the Hereafter, and one of those closest to Me. He will speak to the people from the crib, as well as an adult; he will be one of the righteous. She said, "My Lord, how can I have a son, when no man has touched me?" He said, "GOD thus creates whatever He wills. To have anything done, He simply says to it, `Be,' and it is. He will teach him the scripture, wisdom, the Torah, and the Gospel.
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2 Peter 2
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anas95
deeem how many versions of the bible do you have ? remember momo when he told to read the bible, u grengables did u even finish reading your bible once in ur lifetime, i thought so.

Quran 5:72 Pagans indeed are those who say that God is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah himself said, "O Children of Israel, you shall worship God; my Lord and your Lord." Anyone who sets up any idol beside God, God has forbidden Paradise for him, and his destiny is Hell. The wicked have no helpers."

paradise is faaaaaar from u
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The Holy Bible and the quran are not one and will never be. You choose.
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anas95
i didnt ask you for your opinion but i asked you if u have read the whole bible once in ur lifetime bcuz u seem to be knowing everything or maybe not.
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It’s okay anas, i know he has not read the whole bible. Tell him to open his bible and go to Genesis the first chapter of the bible and tell him to read from chap 19:30 onward. This is the Holy Bible and you are getting terrified. Im telling you anas, it’s so easy to deal with people like greengables. This book here is the book that he’s trying to push down your throat well you now reverse it back to him. Tell him to explain to you what the daughters are doing to their father, what the son is doing with his mother on the roof, what the father is doing with his daughter in law by the road side ? This is the Holy Bible speaking like that not only that but what God himself does to Sarah the wife of Ibrahim peace be upon him. Do you want me to read to you anas what God does to her. You will be ashame,you don’t know that much about it therefore they push it down your throat. this is y people say knowledge will set you free, once you know you what this guy is offering you you will know how to defend yourself and that guy will run for life. He will never come and knock on your door. he’ll be so terrified of educated muslims that when he hear the word muslim he will say leave him alone and say let’s go look for a hindou or a budist. i would love to read you what God did to Sarah but i won’t because I am ashamed of reading it to you anas and most certainly God did not do that. Read it for yourself genesis 21:1 form there onward..the lord with 2 angels visited Sarah as he had said you will learn it few chaps ago..
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He gave her the PROMISED SON!
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do you know how she got there ?????
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Momo004, you either read something besides the holy bible or u have NO UNDERSTANDING WHATSOEVER! God didn't do anything bad to Sarah! He gave them a son in their old age. THATS IT! I don't know what to think of u...
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do not worry about me. im just hightlighting what you read. for you this is normal
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anas95
no wonder so many of you turn atheist or a muslim
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I've read over and over and see nothing. What r u talking about momo004? Any sin u read about has nothing to do with God. We have free will so we sin. God has rules for us like our earthly parents but we don't always listen. He punishes us just like we punish our children. So if ur still referring to Lot and his daughters, that had nothing to do with God. But I don't see anything with Sara that u could even b confused about. Pray for understanding and then read the holy bible and see what God gives u. I never understand unless I pray for understanding. I'll pray 4 u too!
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anas95
Wiz1200, momo is trying to tell you how can you say your bible is HOLY when you find incests in it.

in there you find multiple rape, gang bang, incests upon incests ect...do you call this holy
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anas95
plus what he meant about sarah and abraham is that abraham married his half sister, this is incest. in genesis it says that the lord and 2 angels came to visit sarah and the 2 angels and god ate buns and beef then the lord said to ibrahim im going to give your wife a son, sarah heard the lord behind the tent and giggled. what is this the lord and sarah had an arguement and the lord told sarah i will come back next year this time like you say to your girlfriend or boyfriend......come one God and his 2 angels eating BUNS AND BEEF??? you see anything wrong there
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I've EXPLAINED AND EXPLAINED to u! Our sin is OUR sin! This is a HOLY bible because it is Gods WORD to us. It gives us these stories because they HAPPENED and tell us what God did to those who went against Him. How could He teach us what's wrong without telling us these stories? He worked miracles and showed favor to those who did righteous things. Should He have only included those things? I don't think we'd comprehend Him. He wants us to see ALL OF HIM! I said it b4 , He's a great loving and solid God but Hes also jealous and wrathful and vengeful!!!
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In Genesis, God came to earth and talked to people. He also out of custom, ate with them. U know, not to b rude... Then later when two angels came to Lot, he pressed upon them greatly to eat. So they DID eat. Not because they HAD TO! I still don't understand... Can u not wrap ur head fully around God?
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thank you anas i didnt think you would go into details but yet there are some people here who think these stories are normal and are examples of God to those who turn againts Him.

Wiz1200 anyone that eats food CAN NEVER BE YOUR GOD. He’s not worthy of worship. if you eat food you have a call of nature so you need the toilet and if there are no toilets you look for the rocks or the bush. This is not to be called your God, God DOESNT GO TO TOILETS and he doesn’t look for the bush and rocks to defecate. He doesn’t do that what is it with you God is Almighty and all self-sufficient. he doesnt eat,drink,sleep ect..
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Wiz1200 i have a question, Abraham is one of the mightiest prophets of God tell me why did he marry his half sister ? dod you feel alright Abraham marrying his half sister ?
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Momo004, does ur Muslim people not believe that the world started with TWO people?
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And MY GOD can do ANYTHING!!!!
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Sounds like u limit YOUR god??? Do u not believe ur god can do ANYTHING???
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God cannot do everything and it’s not true unless you believe He does funny things like becoming a man. He is limited to DOING Godly things now if you tell me He’s a man and He’s God we simply have a natural question that you should even yourself have. Could they kill him or not, is he mortal or not. God is immortal and man is mortal. Which was he (Jesus) if he’s both and so on? to say if he is a man then a man by definition has limitations, he doesnt know everything that what makes him a man. If God is a man what is this being and does he know everything or only some things, if he only knows some things he’s a man and if he knows everything he’s God.
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in other words God doesnt do unglody things, you and i both have to agree on that.
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Momo004, you say God can do godly things. He created us and the earth out of hardly anything and u say He's limited to not being able to come to the earth He made and be among men who was fashioned out of His own image. I say if He can do ALL OF THAT then I figure He can eat some food and not have to go to the bathroom. God CAN DO ANYTHING!!!! He could take our life this very second if He saw fit. So why is ur god not powerful and mighty and all knowing like mine?
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Oh, and I NEVER said He did anything ungodly!
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what are you saying Wiz1200 my God is not as powerful as mine. your God died is that powerful and was fearful of his creation the jews. your last line contradicts itself. Jesus said he doesnt know the hour so how is he all knowing ? secondly jesus had to use to washroom if he was a man.

My God is all knowing, Self-sufficient he doest ask for his daily bread like Jesus did. He sits in the 7 heaven which is His throne.
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I asked if u believed that God made two people in the beginning. How do u think they populated the world? There had to be some incest for that. I think certain people mating together was considered wrong but not all. I DO NOT think it's ok NOW because there's no need for it and it breeds weaker people... But whether Abraham sinned or not isn't the point. He KNEW God and loved Him and came to truly devote himself to Him. That's why God loved him.
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here is the definition of the God of Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and the rest of the messengers peace be upon them all.

Holy Quran 112:1-4 "Say: He is Allah, the One and Only! Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him."

complete definiton of God for you
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I NEVER said Jesus is God! Jesus is Gods son!
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absolutely, we believe that the world started with adam and eave. we are all their children and yes they ate from the fruit that God told them not to. the Quran goes into more details.

how about the bible version when adam founds himself naked and God looks for him and calls his name out like God couldnt see him. so adam blamed eave for the evil sin
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You cannot grasp redemption, and distort Christianity because you are afraid to read it for yourself and see your need for God's sacrafice, His only begotten Son, as a sustitute for YOU! You think you are sinless and that God is not a just and holy God who demanded a ransom for us because He is Holy and hates sin, yet loved us enough to give of himself for our sakes. You have blinded eyes!
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in that case if you see Jesus is not God then Wiz1200 we believe in the same God :)

as far as Jesus's being the son of God is concerned, God has sons in the bible by the tones. Adam, Ephron, Ismail is his firstborn and also Israel is also his firstborn, the bible says all those that are lead by the spirit of God are called sons of God so yes Jesus was the son of God
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MY God made all of us and the angels (even the fallen ones) He is the one and only but had one actual begotten Son who was miraculously conceived with a virgin. (Mary) He was sent to us to teach and to die for ALL OF US! His blood covers ALL sin from now til there is no more earth! Jesus is a PART of God. Just like our children r part of us. The holy spirit is what God gives us to find our way as Christians. To be a Christian is to be Christ like. We'll never be God like for He is divine. Jesus on earth was NOT divine. He is in heaven though. He was put here as a man just like us to be not only sacrificed but to teach and show us that we CAN go without sinning. He was tempted in His flesh but turned away from it. He worked miracles but told us that WE CAN DO THEM TOO with faith.
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Adam didn't know he was naked UNTIL he ate of the fruit that SHE talked him into eating. He was punished along with her. They were cast out of a wonderful place and into the land we know with weeds and such. His punishment was physical labor. Had to grow everything himself etc. Eve had to suffer child birth and monthly pains, all of which r still our punishments.
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Oh, and if ur saying my all knowing God didn't see Adam or know, ur wrong. He wanted to see of they would "come clean". We all do it with our own children hoping they'll do the right thing and fess up.
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so greengables let me get something straight here, Wiz1200 said that Jesus is not God nor was he divine and you say he is God and was divinve, who is lying between the 2 of you. dont be shy to answer this question
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I said Jesus was not divine ON EARTH. God made Him to be just like us. That's why He was crying and praying in the garden. His flesh was scared but He knew it was Gods (His Fathers) will.
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you said today we can perform Jesus's miracle with faith, your're wrong where do you see people raising people from the dead or creating food out of thin air or curing the born blind leper...as for as casting out devil anyone can cast out devil with on a false name. may i remind you of the native americans, the bakka people, the tebbians or the buddist the drive out demons in their name and yet it works.
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I truly believe Jesus was always there, in heaven, but became a human when God called for it. Now He's back by His Fathers side!
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How many people do u know with TRUE faith? Do u not believe the bible where it tells us we can also do these things? I can't imagine it myself, but that's where my faith falls short! We all are a generation of wanting PROOF. Jesus gives proof and people STILL didn't believe. There will ALWAYS b those I guess and it's sad.
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Wiz1200 we muslims believe in Jesus. We say he was the Christ, he raised ppl from the dead by God's permision and he healed those born blind leper. You cannot be a muslim if you dont believe in Jesus i understand that and you now understand it to that we are also believers of Jesus but you said we can perform his miracles today if we have faith.

Can you see any of Jesus' miracles today? you said you did. I am not denying that he performed them; however I want to point out that Muhammad's miracle "The Holy Quran" is here between us with 2 BILLION Muslims believing in it; that book has a dare in it since 1400 years ago; the dare says in the book (the Quran) "If you don't believe that this book (the Quran) is from God, then make one like it and show us who will follow you" no one has done that, no one will.
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I said people COULD do these things... I didn't say I have seen it. But MY bible, which is the word of God, tells me that until u believe Jesus, Gods only begotten Son is our personal savior, and truly b sorry for sinning, turn from sin and live the way God wants you to live, you will not see heaven. I guess I've always believed and can't imagine believing anything else. And if I have taught anyone wrongly or misinterpreted His word and passed it on wrongly, I'm truly sorry. I'm a baby Christian and have TONS to learn!
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He doesn't want answers. He has been at this for months and months with very learned christians. I've checked and they have explained so as a child could see, chapter and verse to ALL his questions, eleloquently, articulately spoken so well and in such detail and he STILL asks and asks the same questions over amd over to argue, undermine, confuse, and blaspheme. It's a ploy, for he and his bud anas do know the truth. We have seen to it and he chooses to try to "convert" the unsuspecting. Don't fall for it.
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101 that's a lot
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There will b no conversion on my part. I'm here to spread Gods word as I know it. I have NO desire to hear it twisted or changed. The bible warns against adding to or taking away from it.
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momo i dont think wiz wants to admit it that you are right becauseh she knows no body raised people from the dead or sends food from heaven or all these miracles. plz wiz be honest you cant do that and no ELSE CAN. common sense no body does these things i dont know y u keep saying yes yes people can do that.

so greengables why arent u believing the same thing as wiz., she says Jesus is not God u say he is. one of you is LYING. that proves me that jesus never claimed divinity bcuz both of u would agree on somehting
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listen greengables dont try to say things i never said. we are not trying to convert anyone here, you are the one who's trying shove down my throat that Jesus is God which is madness. you dont know who jesus was, you dont understand how the trinity you keep boasting it's a mistery, you keep saying jesus died for our sins what do you read when u read deut. 16:24 THE PERSON THAT SINS SHALL DIE but of course it wont go down your throat you to pick and choose your verses to make your point but unfortuanetely it doesnt work on us not atleast on momo bczu i personally admit i have not read the bible bcuz i have no intentions to read a story telling that starts from genesis and in it are thrown bunch of contradictions and errors. thank you
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Anas, believe what u wish, but I believe Jesus did these things. I believe with enuff faith God gives it to you. If that's divinity (maybe not ur own) then, yes, He was divine and we can b too. You can try to contradict the bible to me all u want but don't ever say I think someones rite when I obviously DON'T. Y'all don't believe Jesus is what He is. I DO!!! THAT will never change. But I am curious... If u don't believe that JESUS' blood covered our sins, what do u do to atone for them???
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There's two reasons u will die because uve sinned. When Adam and eve were made, they wouldn't have died a physical death until they sinned. Since they sinned, we all have a sinful nature we r BORN WITH, therefore, we r BORN sinners. We all will have a physical death. Now in the bible there were two people who pleased the Lord so much that He spared them from having to die a physical death. Now the bible says, the wages of sin is death. Old testament we had to sacrifice an animal to atone. New testament alot of things changed. We have JESUS who atoned for all of our sins. All u have to do is accept that gift. The eating rituals and the covering of the hair is all in the new testament also. It tells u that a womans HAIR is her veil. I know nothing of ur belief, except that u don't believe Jesus is the savior. That's the biggest thing becuz u can't have SALVATION without him. I do agree, however, that alcohol isn't good. People say, Jesus drank wine. No He didn't! In the bible, wine is juice. They even refer to grapes on the vine as wine. Alcohol is something that leads to other sinful things.
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Jesus did not die for your sins, this is the most ILLOGICAL reason to kill someone. God did not kill an innocent man for your sins because this is the most unjust thing to do. Can you imagine you go and commit all the crimes in the world and we catch the most innocent man we can find and hang him??? Do you think God is such a being that for Adam sin who ate the fruit he's gonna put everyone into hell and He's gonna take his own son an innocent child who has done no wrong and have him hanged?? and the poor man is crying and sweating blood, he doesn't want to die and God says nvm get him hang. Is that a loving God ? you Wiz1200 I take it you are a loving mother to your child and for somebody coming and commits a crime in your house, you gonna kill your own child for somebody else's crime ? Is that what you would do bcuz you love this criminal so much that you are going to sacrifice your own son ? Jesus said seek for the truth and the truth shall free you. Only God can forgive us, the God who used to forgive the people who lived before Jesus is the One to forgives us. My Lord Allah or Ellah as Jesus called Him is the all forgiving,
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And anas, u say u haven't read the bible but claim it's full of contradictions and errors. HOW DO YOU KNOW? Even when my PREACHER tells me something, I look it up for myself. People misinterpret the word ALL THE TIME! The only way to understand and really LEARN is to pray for understanding then read it urself.
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jesus said that John the babtists was the Elijah and John said he wasnt, who is lying between the 2 ?

the bible says every man shall die for his sins but you keep saying Jesus died for your sins.

look i read a bit not everything and when i saw that Jesus and John were contradicting i said to myself this is it, this book is filled with kind of lies and contradictions.
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No, I probably wouldn't want to give my child for everyone elses sins, but I promise u, I would think about it GREATLY! God knew He would b back to Him shortly and Jesus knew that it would b a temporary time on earth and MY GOD would do ANYTHING FOR HIS CREATION! God teaches us to b giving and loving and not hateful and meek, etc. and that's because He's that way. If u are all these things and u knew 4 sure ur child would bring salvation to all mankind, wouldn't u say, even YOU would do it? If your answer is no, then ur God can't b the same as MY God.
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Anas, do u not also believe there's Satan? He can trick u in ways u wouldn't ever imagine! He's on this earth walkin around RITE THIS MINUTE tryin to get as many people as he can b4 the end. That just what he does. He can b inside u so easily and u not even know it. The more u learn about Gods word and the stronger u r spiritually, the more u recognize him being there. Therefore, when u opened the bible to read, the devil knew EXACTLY what to do to turn u away. He probably knew u didn't really want to read it in the first place. Did you not think that maybe John didn't know what he was? The bible doesn't contradict, I promise u that!
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i think Wiz1200 you're in a serious denial. what is there to think, do you love criminals to a point where you would hand them your son? you would never do that i dont know what you took the time to uttered it. wow you chrisitians have very easy of getting rid of sins and ofcourse My God is not like yours not even close to because yours couldnt even do his own job he had to send his own to do the job. My God does His Job without confusing us. it's simple there is One God and Only He can forgive you. That's it!!!
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Now 113
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yes i believe that Satan exists and he tricked ppl like greengables to worship the son instead of the father. No where in whole bible the word trinity appears. many references to that were added by later people in the 15-16th century. How can you base your whole religion on something, when the most important thing for salvation it's not clear at all? The preface of the Revise Standard Version of the bible should tell you how much the biblbe got corrupt during the past years.
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I'm not WORTHY to SEE my God. That's why He sent His Son. He loved us so much that He GAVE HIS SON! See, it's not easy to be rid of ur sins! There's SOOO many who don't believe because they can't wrap their heads around such a WONDERFUL God. Doesn't ur God teach u to give all u have UNCONDIONALLY? I would give my 9 mo old BABY if I knew he would save souls by doing so. God doesn't do stingy or hateful. He's loving to all who believe in Him and accept Him in their life. So a murderer, a pedophile, a rapist, an adulterer can find salvation if they TRULY repent! That's the beauty of it all!
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I only study the KJV because of the changes and corruptness of the word. Like I said, u hafta b careful where I learn and WHAT u hear. When I first started learning, I was having marital problems so I asked a preacher first what to do and so he told me but I didn't want to do what he said... I wanted a divorce. I WAS NOT HAPPY! Now look at what the bible says about divorce in the KJV and then check the NKJV. Theres ONE LITTLE word changed that changed the WHOLE meaning!
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anyway it dont seem logical to me and for many others, it does to you bcuz you have not step out of your box and seen it from a different point. if you're looking at your paintings really close you will have a different view if you were to look at them from a distance. same thing now. why do some chrisitians say jesus is God and others like you say he is the son of God. why arent you beleiving the same.

in islam it's very clear who is playing the role of God, the role of messengers but between chrisitians there is a discussion. All prophets of God came with the same message of monotheism worship One God.
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so as a non-chrisitan i must accept yours which has 66 books in it or the roman catholic with 73 books. you're protestant tell me y did you protestated againts 7 books in the cahtolic version?
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the KJV is the one with most errors in it. im reading to you the preface : Yet the King James Version has grave defects...these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision...
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I belive satan is real
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Don't even get me started on Catholism. I don't know much about it but when u pray to statues, ur breaking a commandment. Also they put Mary on a pedestal and they put 7 things b4 Jesus to pray. And I say to u, show me ERRORS OR CONTRADICTIONS!!!
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(in the KJV)
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in 1 Chronicles 21:5 they were 470 000 men fighting in Judah
2 Samuel 24:9 they were 500 000 men fighting in Judah
470 000 men or 500 000 men fighting in Judah ?


in Ezra 2:65 it's says they were 200 singing men and women
in Nehemiah 7:67 they were 245 singing men and women
it's obvious to anyone that they is difference between 200 and 245.

there ARE many other contradictions but one is enouhg to prove the KJV wrong

i dont understand so many chrisitans believe in the bible as it is today when it contradicts itself and it's so obvious
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my christian friend told me themlseves that they had found many contradictions in their bible and their honest but they say the bible is a book of faith, its not a textual book you cannot perfected textually bcuz of the mistakes found in it
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I don't know about all that, but did God contradict Himself with what He wants from us? No sireee!
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Oh and there's no way to revise number differintialities if the originals were different.
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But u have to always remember, although God told these people His word, He didn't write these things HIMSELF. If ur in the midst of over 2000 men, what would u put down for a number to tell a story? Maybe one guessed 2000 and maybe the other guessed 2400 or knew there to be more. Men make mistakes, not God. That's y I DETEST the lady gaga song, BORN THIS WAY. Gay people R NOT born that way! Lol
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if a book contains contradictions in it it cant be from God because God is perfect and if He has a book it must be perfect because He is perfect. thats the point!!!
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So it should have been written by His DIVINE self.... Hmm... I don't think so. I've been nice this whole time but I really am beginning to think u guys r missin sum marbles!
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we are all nice here no body is rude or anything. we are just sharing our thoughts. you see God send down the tablets to Moses, have you seen any mistakes in them, no. Angel Gabriel recited the whole Quran to Muhammad, these words were from God to Muhammad no men wrote them. The Quran has no contradictions or mistakes. the challenge is there since 1400 years ago, no one could produce a like of the Quran or find any mistakes in it. This is a book we call from God. the bible got changed many times during the last centuries you know that as well as i know. if it's the word of God then how come ppl can corrupt it and y are they still printing new versions or revise versions. isnt the word of God, y does it need to be revised?
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People ARE corrupting it by trying to make it easier to read.. I know that. I'm sure things got changed during translation the first time. Matter of fact I heard of it b4. There's certain words they couldn't translate for whatever reason. But I can PROMISE u, urs isn't perfect! Think about this... That's y prayer b4 reading is important. U get what God meant for u to get!
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You cannot go wrong-anyone-if you go by the hebrew for the old testament; and go by the greek for the old testament. A help would be the amplified bible.
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you're right Wiz1200, prayers are always important
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I'll try that greengables. My friend has told me about it but I haven't seen it for myself yet.
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In original Hebrew, "son? of GOD" literally means "SERVANT OF GOD".
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Well, He AND we ARE servants of God. We r all disciples...
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Sorry, i meant to say Greek for the New Testament
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When we accept Christ we are adopted as sons, joint heirs with Christ, but Christ was the only begotten Son of God from the very beginning.
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Holy Quran 5:116 -118

"And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as worship besides Allah ?'" He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen."

"I told them only what You commanded me to say, that: `You shall worship GOD, my Lord and your Lord. I was a witness among them for as long as I lived with them "

"If You punish them, they are Your constituents. If You forgive them, You are the Almighty, Most Wise."
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Talk to someone else who is a more experienced Christian and let them tell you where to start

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The bible says relatively little about hell. It is a lake of fire spoken of in Revelation. A promised destination for Satan (common misconception that he is already there).
It is rather specific though about those who will go. Rather vague about who won't be going.

As Dross said, it doesnt say anywhere that those who haven't heard the gospel will be sent there. In fact, it says that "He that knows to do good, and does it not, to Him that is sin".
Will there be a judgement day? Yes.
How will be be judged? For your life on earth.
What will all varieties of rewards and punishments be? Who knows?
We were told how to live. What to do. What not to do. That is within my power to do. Figuring out what is going to happen if I don't, is irrelevant and moot. Because nothing, except my choices are within my power to alter.

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You ibviously haven't read the Bible, it talks about not perishing and perdition and judgement. Of course you want people to spell it out for you, but i can tell you haven't read the Bible by your question.......... So please read it for yoour own sake.
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I would think someone so "well versed" in the scriptures would have little problem quoting some passages.

Share your wealth of knowledge with me. Where are these verses of yours?
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Sorry jake, i misread your question
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Or rather your statement. I know that our name has to be written in the lamb's book of life and that happens when we accept the finished work of Christ.
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There is no such verse. You only earn a place in hell if you hear of the gospel and reject it.

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Which is in there.....about rejecting Christ. Please people read your BIBLE!
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Chapter and verse please.
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John 14:6
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Abraham was saved before Messiah came. Enoch and Elijah were taken up before they could even taste death.

Yeshua had always been. He is and was the way the truth and the life.
And when he walked on earth as Messiah, that was not his first time here.

I agree that salvation, true salvation is through Yeshua.
But where does it say the fate if those who did not know of Him?
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1 John 5:12,13
John 3:18
1 John 11-13
2 Thessalonians 1:8,9
John 3:3
John 5:24
John 6:37
John 6:40
John 11:26


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who told you that marc777 and where are you getting these informations from. Some people are just really insecure and try to cover it up with a superiority complex. They can't feel like a winner unless they condemn someone else as the loser.

what good is it going to bring you if you know the Gospels. there are anonymous books. the beginning of each gospels starts with an according to. who is this according to ? certainly not God or Jesus. are you going to put your faith in someone you dont know and say to people if you have not heard of this you're doomed in hell.

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That is from your Muslim view. The gospels were written by four men who walked beside Christ during His three years. Mark was written by Mark, who was told what to write by Peter. All wrote with the authority of God on them. Their words were written down by man and inspired by God!
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Please read the bible momo before you continue to harass me. Everything you say is constantly false!
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u didnt asnwer my question. what is the according to in the beginning of each gospels ?
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You don't make sense as usual momo! I told you marc, not to waste your time with a scoffer! Proverbs talks about a scoffer and what to do with them. They don't want correction, just stirring up dissention as usual!
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Your right marc!!! He is false, false, false!!!!
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why are you wasting your time then greengalbes, i see you in all my asnwers ? why do you have something to say everytime, i thought we were done but obviously you're interested in what im saying that's y correct and you want to learn more ?
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momo dont listen to greengables, i think u shocked him with ur knowledge he was not expecting u to know all this especially in the other arugemnt.
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Knowledge is cheap. Wisdom is rare.
You lack understanding, momo.
That is why you fumble with the meaning of scriptures. Your knowledge reads to you what is said, and your understanding (or lack of) speaks nonsense as it's true
Meaning, when the scriptures speak for themselves when read in context instead of being chopped up into pieces.

Not long ago I read you whining about how people misconstrue the quran as an unpeaceful religion based on some scriptures you claim they did not understand. You had some colorful ways of describing what you thought of those people.

Yet here you are, rising to the epitome of hypocrisy, doing a worse job then those before you.

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Like i said in the other comment place momo, this is for others to read and learn of God and his Son and the Bible, not for you.
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Anyone interested in mine & momo's chat, can go to the question: HOW TO NOT BE DAMNED TO HELL.
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come on Jakespeare. reality is beautiful. let's speak the truth here. the belief is there but we can’t suffer from hallucinations. You see people are thinking that they are on the right track; they are actually disobeying the laws and commandments of God. Instead of worshiping God they’re worshiping a created being, a creature who was born on this table to a jewish girl and now you say he is your God. So for that reason according to your bible not me you are going to hell. There is no way out for you because you are now confirming divinity upon a human being and this human being never claimed to be God. You see this human being was born in this table 2000 years ago and in this same table he was circumcised on the 8th day, he use to drink milk from his mother’s breasts, he use to wet his napkins. I don’t know how you can take such a human as a child. I can see that most of you agree that God is immortal that he doesnt die but somehow you’re confuse with God and you say he was dead for three and raised on the third day.
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how does that work Jakespear, how does God dies for three days. isnt he God, dont tell us he's a mangod because this will just make the argument even more confusing. can you have shorttall man or a skinnyfat man? see it from non-chrisitan views. God cannot die nor does he get beaten or stone by own creation
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Whatever god you serve, has given you a very weak respect for the omnipotent.

There is only One God. At the very beginning of the Torah, it says God created. And the Spieit of God moved over the over the earth. And embedded in that verse is the Hebrew letters Aleph and Tav. The first and the last letters. It was not translated into English, becausenit has no meaning. But it was there in the Hebrew text. When Messiah came, he said "I am the Aleph and the Tav" the first and the last. I am the last. He was THERE at the very foundation of the earth!
If He can move over an unformed earth, He can take the fleshly form of Messiah, and that flesh can die, for God is a SPIRIT and will be worshipped in SPIRIT and in truth. And when his shell of flesh was beaten and killed, His spirit was returned to the Father, just as He returned to His father at the day of Creation!
He returned to rule and reign over new formed earth, and after He was sacrificed, he returned again to rule and reign over new formed man!
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you truly dont know Islam Jakespeare. I believe in the God Abraham, Noah, Moses, Jesus Muhamamd ect peace be upon them all.

Quran 2:136 Say, "We believe in GOD, and in what was sent down to us, and in what was sent down to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and all the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction among any of them. To Him alone we are submitters."

please Jakespeare
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i just proved you that i worship the same God Jesus and all the prophet worshipped so next time you say something like you said in previous comment about my weak knowledge read into our primary source dont just say what you think :)
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There is only one God. You will never go to Heaven to be with him unless you accept the sacrafice of his only begotten Son Jesus Christ, who paid the ransom for the penalty of all our sins. Can't go there except through Christ.
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There is only God, u sure? I thought ur god was in 3 forms
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He said he would
make wise the simple.
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Christianity and Islam are clearly very different, even opposed to each other. All can agree to that. Islam believes Jesus was a prophet. Christianity believes He is God come in the flesh. I am not going to change the Koran. Please do not change Christianity's holy book, the Bible. Put them side by side. It will raise many interesting comparisons/contrasts.
Following Jesus is voluntary
Following Muhammad can be coerced or forced
A martyr for Christ dies for his faith
A martyr for Islam is one who dies for his faith while killing 'infidels'
Christianity teaches God wants a personal relationship w/ each individual
Islam teaches we cannot have such a relationship because Allah is transcendent and unknowable.
We could go on but many good resources out there. The laws if logic says two opposite statements cannot both be true.
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Momo, please. You proved nothing. You claim to serve the God of Abraham, you claim to keep his commandments, but you follow only as far as your koran allows. The patriarchs wrote down the laws. Moshe himself, spelled out the Torah as instructed by Yahweh himself. Yet the only Torah you follow is what is squeezed into your Koran.

You claim you don't eat pork. Commendable. It is unclean. What of shellfish? Catfish? Sword fish?
You think swine is the only unclean animal?

You do not serve the same Elohim.

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richest1 islam and christianity have many similiarites, i gave a little description under Wiz1200 answer and it's my last comment. check it out :)

Jakespeare i should be the one saying u proved nothing because u did prove nothing. what did prove that God's name is Elohim im sorry but this NAME IS NOT FOUND ANYWHERE in the bible OKAY. dont change the name. this is not what Jesus called his name. according to you when Jesus was on the cross he said Ellah Ellah Lama Sabachthani translate my God my God...so does this name sound like Elohim to you. seriously does it because anyone can talk in vain. Ellah is the same Allah. the hebrew lanugage and arabic language are sister languages meaning they're almost the same. what about when you get happy in the church what do you say ALLE-LU-YA in the arabic language is YA ALLE LU meaning O Allah. please dont say i dont serve Ellah or Allah because these are all his names. and yes i dont eat pork because i follow Jesus's teachings better than you do not get mad bcuz you eat pork and if you then we souldnt be talking bcuz this is hypocrisy from you. now u glorify Jesus so do u in the church but when you go home u eat pork but if you dont then very good. you are keeping his teachings and im happy for you
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and Jakespeare when you say the Torah i follow is squezzed in the Quran, do you even know what is the Torah, honestly bcuz i dont think u do. it's not the bible or the Quran where you have many chapters. there are the 10 commandments written in tablets. what's so hard here, Allah confirmed these 10 commandments in the Quran without changing a dot of them.
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You show your ignorance again. The Torah is NOT limited to the ten commandments. It is the 5 books written by Moshe.
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LovelyHoneyBear
Calm down everyone it's just the bible
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anas95
exactly!!
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As with many of these questions asked about some teaching in the Bible, it is better to study various passages in context so as not to confuse or distort the meaning. Suggest you read/study John chapter 3; 2 Thessalonians 1; 1Peter 2; Revelation 20. Jesus spoke if both heaven and hell (e.g. Matthew 10:28). The Bible clearly teaches that those who have trusted Christ have eternal life and those who have not, do not have eternal life (e.g. 1John 5:11,12).

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Amen brother.
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