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Hi there! I live in Belgium and over here we have one of the most advanced health care systems in the world. I can only say that any progress towards a solid health care system is a good thing. I'm not sure why Americans are so afraid of this progress. Eventually, everyone is confronted with medical bills. Wouldn't it be nice if you only had to pay a small fraction of them? That's Obama's goal. For us, this is only normal. We never pay much for health care. Instead, we pay more small bits in taxes as an investment for the future, when things get bad.

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Great comments! People in America feel like their freedom is slowly being taken way. I don't see it that way. If people would read rather than remain ignorant, they would know how to answer this question more intelligible.
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People in America feel like their freedom is slowly being taken away because it is. Obama care FORCES me to pay for procedures (i.e. abortifacients, birth control, etc.), when I personally oppose those procedures. Euthanisia of the infirm, disabled, and elderly is just around the corner. Our nation was formed to allow FREEDOM. Being forced to pay for procedures one considers evil is not consistant with FREEDOM.
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Well I don't agree with war so should I not pay taxes all together?
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I guess my first question to all of you is what do you think is actually good about it? The funny thing is you are calling people ignorant for not reading this complex 2400 page document when not even our own Congress has understood or read the entire thing. It is complicated way beyond simple ignorance. What is understood is that eventhough the intentions of this forced tax (yes tax as deemed by the Supreme court) is meant to be helpful to those both less fortunate and to those families who overpay on premiums, it will instead cause an increase in premiums for most states. This is not free healthcare The non-partisan Society of Actuaries released a stunning report that details the dramatic increases on individual health insurance plans in the United States under the implementation of Obamacare. It will cause the average premium to rise by over 36%. Even the Obama Administration finally admits it will raise the average premium even after they campainged in 2008 that it would not. Plus, eventhough it is supose to allow all individuals access to buy healthcare, it will decrease the quality of care that Americans have always known. European countries like the UK cannot currenntly afford the high costs of socailized healthcare and is continuing to make more and more cuts. A report released in October of 2001 by Britain’s health regulator found that a stunning 20 percent of hospitals were failing to provide the minimum standard of care legally required for elderly patients. So in conclusion it will basically cost the average American more money to have worse healthcare. So why is that good?
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I live in New Zealand! We have a state funded system which provides Healthcare to everybody. This is paid for by the general taxation system. A Private health care option can be purchased by individuals in addition to the tax funded scheme via insurance policies.
Nobody misses out on decent Healthcare and nobody questions the States role in providing Health care for its citizens. Everybody is covered.

People in the U.S seem to miss the point I think..
Significant numbers of people do not have any access to any meaningful health care under the current arrangement. Obama and his health care law are the first tentative steps in bringing these people in....WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT??
There may be issues and teething problems but time and effort will sort these out. Universal health care is fair health care. Everybody gets it and if you want more or faster you pay extra.















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In my opinion, the Obama's health care law is a good thing. This is because, the government will ensure that everyone has a health care hence health is guaranteed. Note that everyone is entitled to their opinions depending on how one view the approach or the importance.

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I once worked for a co. that had free health care. 2500 PEOPLE worked there with 900 retired . There was a three month wait to see a doctor and six months to see a dentists .
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Do you realize that this is socialism, or Communism?
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It's so sad that people use the terms socialism and communism so loosely. There are legislations and mandates that have been passed decades ago that have mandates and the like, but we maintain that we are a democratic society. When the governor of Massachusetts passed this same law, no one called it socialism. As a matter of fact that's the one good thing that he did as governor. Further, the government will not be taking care of us through this legislation. It gives us a chance to take care of ourselves by helping to make healthcare more affordable for US to pay for it.
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If socialized healthcare is so great, why is Germany and England starting to privatize their's to try and control the cost. There are long waiting periods and rationing of care based on age verses cost.
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it's bad because it give coorporate control of your health.

Death panel and such.

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There is no "death panel" . That's Sarah Pain's garbage. The plan would allow elderly people to be informed of their end of life choices. Most of the medical money is spent on the elderly in their last year of life. Some spent six months in ICU hooked up to tubes. If most knew of their choices, they would prefer to comfortably at home with hospice. I work around it everyday.
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there is death panel... but it's not directly called death panels.

Bill gate even call for it. "Let grandma die, hire ten teachers" Google it.
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Hospitals have been making those types of decisions for years. Obamacare has nothing to do with death panels. Scare tactics from the Republican party. Have you ever experienced the system without insurance?
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Terrible. What about the low income families who cannot afford for everyone in their family?? They get penalized. Basically for being poor.

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Obamacare is inclusive for the poor and low income. Have you ever experienced the health system without insurance?
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Exactly, when you get sick you go to the emergency room. Rather than getting preventive care because healthcare is not affordable, people use the ER as their health plan. Because of EMTALA, ER's can't turn you away until you are stable. Who pays for it? The tax payer. We needed something, it took 40 plus years to get it done and I'm glad that it's here. When The President wins again, it can all take affect, then all of the naysayers can see how we'll it works and sing his praises.
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It is a good thing b/c our current system is going off s cliff. It totally unsustainable. I work in the health care profession. Most of the M's I work with, approve of it, except, of course, the Republicans. By the way, the individual mandate was first proposed by a Republican Senator, Bob Dole, in the 90's.

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I had to comment to you here to make sure you see it. No death panel huh? Sorry, but wrong.
There was recently a meeting in Washington for neurosurgeons explaining their new rules for giving care under this plan. They will no longer be allowed to give emergency care to patients without approval from an appointed board of pencil pushers.... Not doctors. This is because their services are one of the most expensive in the field of medicine. So, if you have a stroke at 2am ..... You're just screwed of you have obamacare. Oops, they forgot to mention that part to you didn't they. Sure sounds like a death panel to me. Do you really think it will stop there?
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Sorry charliedog. You're on the wrong track.
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I have to go with charliedog! If you had read the whole Bill you might think different!
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Bad...

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Very bad thing, because of the precedence it sets.
Our founding fathers did not intend for the government to run the people, but rather, the people to run the government.
For those who want the government to mandate what they can and can't do, because they are not capable of making prudent choices, move to a socialist country like Canada. Their socialist medical quality cannot begin to match ours.
With socialized medicine, the working class gets the better class of care, as they are the money makers. Those who are at the end of life spectrum are pushed aside, as their ability to "pay in" has expired.
The government was never intended to be a cradle to grave entity.

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there is 2 type of people in the world.

Those that whant to be Free and those that whant to be Safe.

Sadly there is a big bunch of whanabe safe people in the north american continent.
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Have any of you been hard working, supporting a family and have had need for medical attention without healthcare?
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Kimber, you sound like a soundbite of the republicans with no specifics - it's just all generalities.
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Certain parts are good like allowing children to stay on their parents policy until 26. It is also good that insurers can't deny coverage because of a pre existing condition. There are also bad parts like forcing everyone to get health insurance.

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Everyone having health care is only fair. We pay for the uninsured now, as their costs are passed on in the form of more expensive medical bills. The uninsured are a drain on the economy we cannot afford.
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We are still forced to pay for it one way or another. We will be stuck at the ER, with a bill that we can't pay or in bankruptcy for the healthcare bills that we can't pay. Taxpayers eventually pay for it. Thus, if we each pay for our healthcare, costs will decrease and become more affordable. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't ask the insurance company to pay for your college aged kid, or take you when they know you'll get sick and not make up for it in premiums from everyone. They would go out of business in a month. Hence, the purpose for the mandate.
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I've answered this question so many times it's making me sick. Bad bad bad.... Obamacare is not just about health care, it's about control. Rather than rant like I usually do I'll just leave you with this. Have you EVER seen the government run ANYTHING for the cost they promise or even close? Example. Medicare/Medicaid, social security, immigration, welfare, or even the damn post office that's fixing to be a thing of the past. Oh yeh, I really want those bozos deciding what treatments I do and don't get.

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You are right on!
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We the people *are* the government. I would rather have us making those decisions than the profit driven corporations making the decisions now. We can find a way to make it work for everyone.
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Government run or government regulated? There is a difference.
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charliedog, now that you bring the post office into this discussion, it is obvious that you must not be aware that the financial problems they are experiencing are a direct result of congressional actions. They are being asked to do something that is entirely unnecessary and no other agency in the government is asked to do the same thing. Hindsight is 20/20 but if Congress had not been allowed to use the social security account as a slush fund, we would be in great shape.
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You're right OF the GOVERNMENT had locksd that box we would be OK today. However the GOVERNMENT didn't do it did they? Charlidog is right. Except for the military, their healthcare and their retirements, the GOVERNMENT can't run crap. Has anyone wondered why, if Obamacare is so great, why isn't the president and congress on it?
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I know that it is a good thing. We are mandated to buy car insurance in most states. Thus, I don't understand the big deal about the mandate. You are mandated to pay income taxes if your salary qualifies. The way it works is, if more healthy people pay into the pot, the lower the premiums, hence making healthcare more affordable. Right now the only recourse for uninsured people, 50K plus people, might I add, is for them to go to the emergency room. Guess who pays for these visits? We the people. Furthermore, the legislations proper name is "The Affordable Care Act". Quit calling it "Obamacare". What about "Romneycare"? It was his idea first and it is working in Massachusetts. He said there is a healthcare plan....the ER!? What!? Who pays for that? We do, the tax payer. I might also add that this is a regulation, not government run healthcare. There will still be privately owned hospitals, clinics and insurance companies.

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people say its cheaper...well how come the amount that gets taken out of my husbands paycheck for mine and his insurance as more than doubled from last year? we were justgonna renew it this month and last year it was 200 bucks a month and now its almost 500 bucks a month, and because of that now we cant have me on his insurance because we cant afford! so how is this better?? Everyone is saying its more expensive because of Obamas new health care laws!! so why is this good thing? who is this helping and who is this better for? we r a middle class family and now i cant have insurance because its too expensive now! please explain.....
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In a nutshell....insurance companies! They are using the Affordable Health Care Act as a smoke screen to raise your rates. That is why I believe that we should have a single payer system and get rid of insurance companies. Their profit is what causes the costs to be so high.
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Yep! But you forgot about the 47% that is just going to take, while the working people have to pay for their's!
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Yes, what? I don't think this was a yes, or no, question.
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It's a good start. It takes decision making power away from the insurance companies and puts it back in the hands of patients and their doctors. It offers credit for the poor, making it possible for them to get health insurance. It means fewer people will depend on expensive emergency room treatment, and will be able to use lower cost preventative measures instead. Health care is a right, not something that should only be available to the wealthy.

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You're wrong! It takes it away from me and my doctor and puts it in the hands of the GOVERNMENT. Who can't run crap.
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A couple of parts of it is good; but overall it is not really good for anything except more bureaucracy in government. We need to overhaul the healthcare system in the U.S. but via arbitrators not politicians.

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Good luck with that. The private insurance, hospitals and doctors won't initiate this overhaul.
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BAD as written!

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Partially good. Universal health care is good, but not all of Obama's plan has been well thought out. Needs a lot of upgrading by Romney.

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Sorry, but I don't think that Romney is going to have the opportunity to make any changes to this legislation.
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It's bad for the biggest tax paying base in this country, the middle class. But the poor and illegal will benefit from it greatly.

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More right wing talking points. Illegals will still go to the emergency room for their health care and we tax payers will continue to foot the bill for that care, but, it will not be via the Affordable Health Care Act.
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I agree with you Joe, it's a shame the lefty's are so blind that they don't see where all of this is going. I bet not one single one of them have even read the contents’ or for thar matter any of the Obama Health Care Bill.
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The good things in the Obama health policy certainly out weigh the bad. Everyone gets insurance. Kids are covered until 26. Autism is covered which includes thousands who had nothing to help them. There can never be a ceiling on the amount you have to spend, even for catastrophic illnesses. No one can be refused health insurance. If the person who insures the family needs to change jobs, he/she can even with a huge medical reoccurring problem within the family without fear of losing health insurance. If the government has more control and we get all this progressive coverage, it's more than worth it!

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It is the most dangerous and destructive thing that could happen to America, your future, and your children's future. Obamacare is not about healthcare, it is about power over you. Within a couple years of passing, the estimated cost went from $900 billion to $2.7 trillion and that will continue. Ask yourself, what does healthcare have to do with hiring 16,000 additional IRS agents to patrol it? How can you set up an endless bureaucracy, thousands of bureaucratic employees stuck in the middle, and then save money? How can you bring in 20 million new people in to the system, no additional doctors, no additional hospitals, and expect NOT to have a decrease in availability for everyone? This is when rationing begins, and a bureaucrat will decide whether you receive care, or simply a pain pill to take you to the end. Canada and Great Britain have this system. Ask yourself why Canadians and the Brits flock to the US to receive care that they pay for? It's because they can't get it or will have to wait 6 months to a year to see a doctor for an illness that may end their life in weeks or months.

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WOW! Findly someone that see's through the smoke and mirrors that has been forced on us! That bill has so many underlying add ons in it, that he will be able to circumvent any and all legislation no matter who is in the house and senate. Read the bill!!
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Obama's healthcare law infringes upon the religious rights guaranteed to all Americans in the U.S. Constitution and the moral value system of all who oppose the required taxing for payment of abortifacients. For that reason I am opposed to the HHS mandate. Regardless of ones religious or moral principles , Obamacare forces Americans to fund these procedures. As I understand it, Obamacare also has many gaps that will continue to leave "loophole" Americans uncovered by medical insurance. Senior citizens living on social security will loose important benefits they are currently entitled to under the medicare program, as will those served by poverty programs such as medicaid.

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very bad,

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bad

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It's a bad, bad, bad thing!

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No, another way of giving us no freedom to choose for ourselves what is best or right/wrong.

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If "we" have to answer this question about obamas, "thing on Health Care", you have your answer.

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Speaking as someone whose father is in the medical field, its disasterous, it's both bad for hospitals and patients alike. Employees have more to do and less time to do it, if something falls by the wayside tough. It also makes it more difficult for individuals to get the care they need many doctors don't agree with it and are starting private practices so unfortunatly the only people who will get quality care are those who can afford it.

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You make very valid points
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Good Start

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a good thing, somebody who is not afraid to pull out his neck / good for the individual, good for the nation

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I Know it is a Good Thing.
I am originally came from Japan, Why the Japanese live far longer than American ? It not only a cause of Food, They have government Insurance.
Japanese can going to Hospital to Check even it minor Symptoms of any kind to Prevent get to Worst Sickness.

Fellas this is not about Money or Profit, It about How much Healthier Life you or Family could have.
America is Grate about many thinks, But Not Insurance or Citizens Health .
We have to Fix This Problem for our self and Future.

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It's a step in the right direction. Our healthcare system needs a complete overhaul. We have too many uninsured/underinsured Americans in this country who have no means for even basic care, and if we allow the Republicans to dictate what happens with our healthcare system, nothing will change!

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Does anyone really fully understand the tome called Health Care Reform? I certainly don't! I think Obama is well intended but tends to simplify issues for the American people. This bill is over 700 pages long. I consider myself fairly intelligent and I couldn't get through it. I would very much like for all citizens to have access to medical treatment but if something appears to good to be true it probably isn't. I'm concerned about what I don't know about this bill. I don't believe its as simple as everyone getting govt funded health care.

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I counldn't agree with you more. I love a person that thinks for themselfs and if they want to know the answer they go look it up as oppossed to waiting for someone (news media) to tell them everything.
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It is definitely Good! People with pre-existing conditions need affordable insurance! There should never be a lifetime cap when someone is hit with a life threatening illness. It is when a family needs insurance the most. Healthcare costs keeps skyrocketing......What good is "the silver bullet" if no one can afford it? Everyone should be required to obtain health insurance since it would help to lower premiums

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I believe it is. My husband and I are receiving better care, and more coverage. ER rooms are no longer filled with drug addicts trying to get a quick fix.

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Obama took 800 Billion out of Medicare just to start Obama care.
Next year he will need the same amount or more since Medicare pot is near empty he will just print a Trillion Dollars.
No problem.

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It may not be the best but it is a good thing and will evolve. I have just gotten disability and am grateful for it as I am 62. For 19 years we had no insurance, we paid for everything. One Dr.mdemanded $400 cash not visa to vsee him. I fell a couple of years ago in a small business and didn't call an ambulance. I've paid for it ever since.

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I think it is a good thing but it will be better with a little twiking and a better explanation of the policy to the American people.

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I believe it is the best and right thing to do and I applaud President Obama for having the courage to take the political risk to do what is right!

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It's really BAD! If anyone would read the whole Health Care Package, they would be crying for Obama to be empeached, there is all kind of policies written in the package that is only going to destroy the constituion. Did you know that every home owner will have to pay a 3.8% sales tax if/when they sale their house??? Just read this!!!!!!

The 2012 election has often been described as the most pivotal since 1860.This statement is not hyperbole. If Barack Obama is re-elected the United States will never be the same, nor will it be able to re-capture its once lofty status as the most dominant nation in the history of mankind.
I would add but 6 words to those above mentioned, Conservatives, Libertarians, the Republican Party and Mitt Romney, to say "and we the American people," must also come to grips with this moment in time and our role in denying Barack Obama his life long goal of "transforming" us into his slaves working on his government plantation.



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BADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!! HE MIGHT END UP KILLING SOMEONE!!!!!!!! It doesnt help us at all.

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If you have no insurance and don't have to pay for it, it's a good thing. But if you have coverage and have to subsidize those who don't its a bad thing. Do you think it's a good thing if some get it and let you pay for it? Not me.

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Love it...just like Romneycare in MA

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In Canada Health Care is free why can't we also do this my son broke his collar bone it's 1 year this month he has no insurance and at the time was laid off now no one wants to hire him because you can see that bone sticking up out of his shoulder what kind of state are we were the illegals get everything and he can't even get any medical help

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Very Bad!

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Well, let's see.. The government, under Obama care, requires every citizen to prove they are insured, or pay a fine. But not everybody has to prove they are a citizen. If you can't prove you're a citizen, you'll be given free health care paid for by those citizens forced to buy health insurance.So, no... I don't see anything wrong with Obama care.... this formula seems fair to me..

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Health benefits are "welfare benefit plans" under the Internal Revenue Code and ERISA. Unlike pension benefits, welfare benefit. plans can be reduced or terminated prospectively by an employer. There is no vesting. Apart from certain government plans and certain government employees whose benefits are protected by state constitutions, all persons who currently have health benefits could lose them tomorrow. The playing field is pretty level for everyone.
Understanding the thin ice that we are all on, why wouldn't everyone want a guarantee of at least a certain level of benefits?
A guaranteed level of health benefits funded by government has another positive and unavoidable result. If the government has to pay the tab for our' health, it eventually (if slowly) will want to take a.larger protective and preventative role in the health of our citizens. Money spent by the government on health care can be very effective stimulus. Personally, for my family and loved ones I would rather see a medical industrial complex than a military industrial complex.

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You talk ''guarantee'' where? when? the government plan is to cost more and punish more.do not be so inexperienced or simpleton. Remember the lemmings
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Yes, anything that helps the uninsured and/or uninsurable (if I can use that word) is a good thing. I also like that students can stay on parents policy til age 26!

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this video summarizes well why Obamacare is terrible

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnY8r7_fLw&feature=colike

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I have mixed feelings; am on Medicare with a supplemental insurance and it is reasonable in price and covers a lot of care that I need; yet, I am worried that people won't get insurance until they are sick so they will not help build up the fund of money needed to pay for their care.

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Bad. It's a bloated, bureaucratic nightmare that will run the govt. broke. We severely need to replace it with a cleaned up and overhauled Medicare system.

--Leslie <;)))>< Fish

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a good thing, for the 40+millions of americans without health insurance.

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after the results shown by Obama these last 31/2 years, do you really believe a word he says??? how old are you? even the question is stupid...

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It's a good thing !

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Heathcare is not a bad thing...the government should not be the supplier of any product.The government should govern -- not compete with business. do not be distracted-any thing the government does is more expensive and less quality, facts anyone can see if they read history.

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Terrible considering our national debt and how much it increases our debt

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Without this healthcare people who need it but can't afford the bills are pushed aside in favour of richer people. I hardly see how that's 'freedom'.
Also, just because the option of free healthcare is there doesn't mean you're forced to take only it. Seriously, you people seem to think it's one or the other! The new healthcare system would be different only in that it would look after the less fortunate as well, rather than strictly those who can pay for it. If you can still afford private health care then brilliant, nothing will change for you except for a tax that you know will somewhere at some point save someones life. If you think that's a bad thing you're either extremely selfish or extremely stupid.

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I am at a loss of how any upstanding proud hard working American can see any positives with this atrocity!!!! READ THE BILL. It is Horrible and WILL bankrupt this wonderful country. Only the above who are surely receiving Government assistance of some type are supporting it. Mr. Obama is systematically destroying what our fore fathers fought and died for. 17 TRILLION, what is everyone thinking!! China and Russia are aggressively pursuing to de leverage the America Dollar as the worlds currency and we are helping. Once they achieve their goal we will all be crying. For God sake WAKE UP AMERICA!! Our almighty dollar is headed as a side note in history ultimately destroying our country. Common sense has apparently become not so common! It's a sad state of affairs we have found ourselves in. Sad sad sad. :((

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I have not seen any difference of savings by enrolling in Market place. Premiums are very high and in return insurance companies are offering a lot less. Same offer was available from PPOs before Obama health care.

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