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Some religions believe we're born into sin &therefore must be baptized to be cleansed--so what happens to infants who die just after birth?

they haven't had the chance to sin yet but if it is true that we're all born as sinners, what happens to a baby who dies before getting g the chance to be baptized? do they go to heaven or hell? I understand no one can give me a definitive answer, but I'm curious about this!

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The thief on the cross was unable to be baptized either, but his heart was repentant and Jesus told him that He would see him in paradise. God's Grace covered him in his situation, I believe. And, as for the baby, the child had not reched an age of accountability. God convicts us of sin and this was a newborn baby. I believe the Grace of God also covered this child also.

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grrrrreeeeeeen :)
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Thank you for providing an answer instead of an insult. You are kind.
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Thank you dustee, sincerity and aussieroger.
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Everyone believes differently... But it wouldn't make sense to me if they went to hell... They're only babies!!!

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Become an atheist so you don't have to worry about such nonsense.

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It totally eludes me why, if atheist don't believe, why they have such a huge freakin problem with those who do. Just looking at it from a social sense, true Christians don't rob, rape people, get drunk and kill people with their cars, molest children, ect. With this in mind, doesn't it make good social sense to encourage Christian principals? That's rhetorical by the way.
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I find it difficult to understand why it is that people choose to just disrespect a person when they ask a question. But, I do see that is a continuing thing that appears to be something that is gonna pop up from time to time anyway. It sure isn't one of Ask.com's finer points, but fortunately, there are also answers for them when they question that have been sincerely approached based on the need and desire expressed by questioner. I'm sorry that hailissa got insulted instead of answered at times, but grateful that some see her as valuable enough to approach her question with respect for what she asked.
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This answer is the best.
Athiest rock.
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I'm not sure why anybody thinks that hailissa613 was insulted by Laaaaaawl's answer. Even if it did not provide her with an intelligent, thought-provoking answer, it certainly wasn't an insult.
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To me, the insult would be that he didn't approach it from her point of view as seen by the wording of her question, but instead to go in an opposite direction than that of her view and by doing so, just not actually attempting to answer her question at all.
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Pamela, true Christians don't commit any of those crimes?? Priest pedophiles, "Christians" who murder doctors, etc. there are also a bunch of them who get drunk and drive stupid. Also just because someone is an atheist doesn't mean they run around abusing children, etc. there are a large number of atheists who do a great deal of good. Stereotypes are always wrong.
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And why not promote the Jewish or the Muslim principles on the same ground as she claimed for "true" (whatever it is!) Christian?
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This question was not meant to be breeding grounds for ANYONE'S personal opinion. Thank you to those sticking up for me, but when it comes down to it--Answer the question or move on.
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Probably go to hell.
But I'm an atheist. So I do what I want.

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If your atheist you dint believe in hell.
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>she asked a question
>I gave a possible answer
What part of that don't you understand.
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Cruelty. You're cruel. That's the part she doesn't understand-but you obviously understand cruelty v e r y well-in your answer to the first question and also in your reply to the comment.
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Lol okay.
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The Bible speaks of the age of innocence and the age of accountability. An infant does not know right from wrong, therefore can't sin. All children are pure in the eyes of God. : )

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Thanks. : )
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very good answer
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very green
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You are kind also. Thank you for providing an answer to her instead of an insult.
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Agreed, thank you :-) i wish every question could get a straight answer instead of an insult, whack opinion, or nonsense!
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i think god(s or well u know) will not care and take them to heaven or whatever

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Another one of those unanswerable question of which there are so many.

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All questions are answerable the problem is a lot of people do not like the answer they received it is not up to their expectations and therefore it is unacceptable.
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laaaaawl and hellspawn have a right to post their answers..If you don't like them don't post on their answers.. I didn't and I won't. Babies are covered by God's grace.

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Keep your words soft and sweet just in case you may some time have to eat them.
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Hi Dustee. Sincerity here. Have a good day today! I am going to try and post a question about my dad who was in that bad car wreck and broke his neck and back 3 weeks ago. My phone is real tricky and I try to ask a question about it and the phone never works right but will try again. They want to put him in a nursing home. So look for the question please today or tomorrow. I could use some good advice. Thank you friend.
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my heart and prayers are with you and your dad...
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Jerusalem..... Follow your own advice my friend.
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Dustee..... Greenie!!
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The motive to ask the question about what happens to infants when they die is obviously concern that they might suffer some torment for not going through religious sacraments.
- The real answer, is, to not worry about that nonsense. The premise of the question is based on the guilt ridden fear of the infant being judged a sinner and deserving punishment by some version of god.

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Beautiful.
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We must ignore atheists unless they stay on topic. Otherwise we are being used to trick us into their selfish, cruel, and mean arguments. Dustee is right. They can post what they want, but we can ignore them like she did. Once we all decide to refuse to comment on their nonsense, they'll have no one to argue with except each other.

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babygirl you are so right I refuse to post or comment on them.. :) g
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Have u ever seen an atheist posting such intolerant hatred against apologetics? And, yet u wonder, as to what is wrong with u people!!
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I agree with you guys Sincerity. And of course the enemy would make a comment.
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Thank you-he spreads a cloak of darkness over this whole site...and he doesn't even have to do it to prove his beliefs. He's just m e a n.
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Though I do not believe one must be baptized in order to get to have, based on my studies I do believe that in the time of ignorance God overlooks. In Acts we are told this, but we are also told we are to repent now. Though I am no theologian, and may be mistaken, I feel that this still applies. Since a child is ignorant of sin, it is overlooked. Again, I admit I have much more studying to do. God bless

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Let's take the four most common conditions of man regarding moral or ceremonial laws:
1. Ignorant of moral laws yet not old enough to be accountable.
2. Ignorant of the law and old enough to be accountable.
3. Aware of moral laws and meeting them.
4. Aware of moral laws and not meeting them.
The Torah (and most rabbis) states circumcision is necessary for the Jewish baby, or they are cut off from God and their people (Gen 17:14). This means there is a communal aspect for the rite. Most rabbis will require it for children. On the other hand, the Tanach implies that infants are not absolutely required to perform rites (circumcision or baptism) because David said of his dead baby from Bathsheba: "He cannot come to me, but I will go to him." This gives some room for both Rabbis and Christians to debate the absolute necessity of infant baptism and/or circumcision.
More than half of Jewish and Christian denominations teach that God extends grace toward all infants. The rites of baptism and circumcision are cultural as well as religious, and have meaning in context with the community. It is my understanding that neither baptism not circumcision saves a baby; they are outward signs of an inward grace, intended to be signs that we are part of a community. We do them, but cannot limit Gods grace only to those who receive them.
1. If you are ignorant of laws yet are old enough to be accountable, your conscience is your guide. What does it tell you to do?
2. If you are taught moral laws, you have a choice:
A. to those who know moral laws, and do them, they are a law to themselves and commended. Ceremonial laws make little sense.
B. To those who know the law and do them not, they are lawless and merit the Judge's verdict. Make peace with the Judge.

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I'm greening you for the careful thought that went into your answer. It was very informative .
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Thanks. I do like it when the effort is recognized.
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Many protestant religions do not equate Baptism with Salvation. It is important and something we do out of love and obedience as ADULTS but not a deal breaker. We believe that children under the age of understanding and consent (which could be different for every person, esp if you take into account mentally disabled adults who remain children mentally all their lives) will go to heaven. So babes, while technically born in sin, cannot be held liable for that sin and are covered completely under Christs sacrifice. At and agter age of consent, while we are all still covered by the insurace if Christs sacrifice, its no longer 100% automatic. After age of consent we have to make a FULLY INFORMED choice to accept Christs gift or not to. It cannot be made for us or on our behalf and it cannot be made once we are dead.
I would like to refere to magdalenes answer and her example of the unbaptized thief on the cross at jesus side as well.

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There can not be a more pervert doctrine, a more nefarious belief, than to portray every innocent child as an "inherited sinner". This horrible system of belief "convict the unborn" in the mother's womb & "punish the dead" in a torture chamber, all in the name of an "infinitely JUST & MERCIFUL" god. Every sane mother would have refused to give birth, if she believed that her loving child is being born into sin, which subsequently might lead her child to eternal damnation & grilling!!

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Even an adult forming their own self identity, perception of themselves, as a being who is born to commit horrible "sins" except for the ambiguity of gods "grace" I think is the biggest contributor to people actually committing horrible acts that would otherwise be dismissed as ridiculous.
In other words, the doctrine of original sin, gives sin clout, power and influence requiring a deliverer.
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Which is one of many questionable beliefs by Catholics. Of course, the church leaders cannot give a coherent explanation of this abominable belief.

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Children go to heaven as long as they didn't reach puberty ,what ever they did , no sins are written in their deeds book

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We do not know for sure, but in my opinion I personally affirm that miscarried babies are in heaven. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says the following: "As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God Who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused Him to say: 'Let the children come to Me, do not hinder them' (Mk 10:14), allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism (Catechism 1261). It is worth noting that the unbaptized babies of Bethlehem are honored as saints in the Church on the Feast of the Holy Innocents (December 28) and are certainly in heaven as martyrs for Jesus. A Catholic can hope that God likewise welcomes as martyrs the little ones who have been miscarried and who have been murdered by the crime of abortion, an act that is radically opposed to the gospel of life.

Hope this helps! - ManOfKnowledge

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Do you have to include your anti abortion ideas on everything? Since you aren't a woman and you can have absolutely no idea what women go through, you are not exactly in a position to judge. You people seem to think that women just jump up one day and decide to have an abortion. I have talked with some of these women and I guarantee you a lot of thought goes into the decision. My god does not condemn a woman for choosing to abort a fetus ( not a child). So how about you leave the decision to a woman, her doctor and her god.
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Because the growing child in the womb is thought to be its own individual with the need to be loved and cared for by all fellow humans, not just the mother.
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Where in the hell are all of those "fellow human beings" when rent time rolls around? Or when the car is broken down? Or when a birth defect causes irrepairable damage? Or when the pregnant mother of the baby that all of you "fellow humans" care so much about is shooting dope?
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There are a lot of generous social programs available especially for the situations you mention paid for by us fellow human beings taxes.
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I do believe in the salvation of those dying in infancy. I affirm their salvation, however, neither because they are innocent nor because they have merited God's forgiveness but solely because God has sovereignty chosen them for eternal life, regenerated their souls, and applied the saving benefits of the blood of Christ to them apart from conscious faith. "Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?". We worship a righteous God who will certainly do right!

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Bible clearly says in Romans 6:23-"For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life...".So it means that when we die no matter what age, few days or few years, the death pays the sin or cleans person from the sin. God doesn't take children from their parents, as some have been told. But God yearns to reunite children with their parents by means of the resurrection. (John 5:28,29) Some religions teach that a person after death will go to hell. This teaching dishonors God. He is a God of love and would never make people suffer in this way.How would you feel about a man who punished a disobedient child by holding his hands in a fire? Would you respect such a man? In fact, would you even want to get to know him? Definitely not! You would likely think that he was very cruel. God doesn't tortures people in fire forever.What happens at death is no mystery to the Creator of the brain. He knows the truth, and the Bible clearly teaches:Death is the opposite of life. The dead do not see or hear or think. We do not possess an immortal soul or spirit. (Eccl. 9:5, 6, 10) But God also promised us beautiful future on earth, if you want to know more, please write us!

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When a religion departs from or misinterprets its Holy Book that distortion sometimes also leaves behind common sense. The beauty of the Bible rightly interpreted is that it makes good logical sense. The teaching of the Bible about life and death and the nature of man is interesting and quite extensive but the gist is that because Adam and Eve rebelled against God's direct command all humans are born to die which is not the natural state of affairs in the Universe. This caused trauma and the need to repair and restore the natural balance. The Creator God says that one day those who are trustworthy, whether living or dead because Jesus claims to have the keys to resurrect the dead, the trustworthy will be given a gift of eternal life. For children the question is not one of committed sin but of the trend of life. For the youngest and the aborted I am willing to trust the love of God.

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You can be comforted in knowing God is gracious and compassionate. The Bible says God desires all to be saved and that none perish. The Bible says that children are beloved by Jesus Christ. The Bible says that an awareness of sin must be present in order to repent and trust in Christ. Obviously things a baby or child cannot do. Though born with a sin nature, a baby or young child does not have the understanding to trust Christ as an adult would.
2 Samuel 12 (text in comment) is the story of King David losing a new born baby. He grieved, fasting and praying, while the child was alive; but after the child died, David ate and worshiped God. His reason is stated here as he can have peace that when he (David) goes to be with God, he will go to the child. David knew he would go to heaven and his child would be there. Very comforting and true to God's nature. God bless.

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"Then his servants said to him, "What is this thing that you have done? You fasted and wept for the child while he was alive; but when the child died, you arose and ate food."


He said, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept, for I said, 'Who knows whether the LORD will be gracious to me, that the child may live?'


But now he is dead. Why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me."


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The reason one gets baptized and be washed clean and what happens to enfants after death........

The reason one get baptized is an outward representation to the world that you have washed yourself clean of the desires and ways of the world and that from the point of your baptism you have dedicated yourself to The AlAlmightyod (Jehovah). In fact, your dedication takes place first and the baptism is an outward symbol of your dedication. (Acts 2:38)(Acts 2:40,41)(Colossians 3:9,10)

Upon being baptized we take off the old personality - the personality and disposition that reflects the attitude of those under Satan's Wicked System - we learn to cultivate a loving heart and attitude. As for an enfant or any child that dies under age - falls to the responsibility of the parents. When one is baptized he has knowingly accepted the responsibility of that of a follower of Jesus Christ - a child without that level of comprehension can understand that - so therefore, the deeds of their parents will dictate their status with God. It is just like a child in their parents care- the child becomes accountable once they display that they understand the difference between right and wrong.

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We are, but I think babies do not have the capacity to sin, only the potential. I believe they go to heaven.

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