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Why do Christians feel such agony and heartbreak when they learn THEY THEMSELVES have only weeks to live?

Consider this a follow-up clarification to my last question which had me repeatedly raked across the coals. If Heaven everlasting is their reward for believing on a trustworthy and just Lord, and Heaven is infinitely better than even the best existence on earth, and they REALLY believe that, why would imminent death cause anything other than Christmas Eve-like excitement and baited-breath anticipation? Once again I ask: Is it because they don't actually buy it?

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So basically, your argument is that because some people believe in God and Heaven and Hell, they shouldn't be afraid to die? What, you have a problem with religious people being afraid to die? I'm not exactly religious but I don't think fear discriminates according to beliefs.

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No, I actually think they are very afraid to die, just as anyone else. It confuses me when I try to square that desire not to die with their fantastic stories about the wonderful blissland awaiting them on the "other side". Look at terrorists who are promised 72 virgins after their sacrificial murderous act. They seem to have the peace of mind in believing what they believe to be true.
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I'm pretty sure that terrorists are afraid to die as well.
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Well, for one thing: that doesn't stop them. And another, consciously ending your own life I must imagine takes quite a bit of self-resolution. Maybe the "possibility" of the 72 inexperienced girls is just too delicious to pass up...
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I never said it stopped them - it obviously doesn't. They do it because they believe that they're dying for a good cause.
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Islamic indoctrination is much more severe and effective: sexual urges by males are converted to blessings to be fulfilled in and afterlife. Other religions, like Mormonism, use the afterlife sexual bait to keep males devout - the Islamic edicts of jihad and martyrdom are reinforced five times a day for the devout Muslim - and in trips to Mecca for the Haj. This is most difficult to reconcile for Westernized Muslims exposed to Western culture: but the indoctrination still holds sway over some - waiting to be activated - such as the Texas American military captain that gunned down his fellow soldiers a few years back, the over 100 murders of embassy workers and Red Cross personnel of the publication of a few cartoons, the mid-street, downtown Amsterdam brutal stabbing to death of director Theo Van Gogh for depicting criticism of an Ex-Islamic author who also has a death fatwa on her for criticizing Islam, the London and Madrid subway bombings, - the list of atrocities committed in the name if Islam is beginning to rival what the Holy Roman Church did for over half of a millennium to designated "heretics". Murder, genocide, sexual organ mutilations, torture and so forth are not limited to power mad psychopathic dictators - they are central components to many mainstream religions. Never underestimate to power of childhood indoctrination and a life of continual ritualistic group reinforcements in the form of prayer, worship ceremonies, and the necessary requirements of intellectual dishonesty to equate these religion's "holy books" - intolerant of each other - to be taken not only seriously, but literally - despite the disposable amoral teachings buried in numerous chapters and verses throughout many. Moderates and apologists cherry pick and re-interpret these dogma to maintain the charade that these books advocate humanity's best interests - moderates give cover to the truly devout, acting on the dictates of their misguided belief systems that often resemble a death cult.
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It's because they are leaving behind their families and loved ones. I can't imagine, having to look into my spouses, children's', parents eyes for two whole weeks, while I'm in pain, knowing I am the reason they are in pain.

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I can see that. But that reasoning doesn't explain why, say in a hostage situation for example, Christians will beg to be allowed to live.

I fear I'm venturing off into the unfriendly sandpaper environment of my last question. Please don't let me go so far as to offend you.
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I'm not a Christian. I'm actually Agnostic. But I believe, no matter what religion, in a situation like you have described, you are going to beg for your life. I don't understand where you are coming up with all these crazy thoughts, and badgering Christians.
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Please. I'm not badgering. This is something I'm honestly curious about. It really seems to me like all these religious people who stare down their noses at everyone else, when it comes right down to it, just don't buy it themselves. You don't think that's an interesting point of discussion?
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You are implying and saying that "is it because they know there is no afterlife?" like that's it. No its not. Let me give you some perspective: why do you only ask/answer questions regarding Christianity? Is it because you realize there might be a God?
How does that sound? Yea... Exactly.
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No, it's actually an interesting point to consider. It's not like I was a Pastor when I was Christian, but I was fully convinced that a God up there loved me and listened to my prayers and watched over me... Like Dan Barker said, "If I limited myself to Christian authors I'd still be a Christian today." The truth is, I'll probably never find this stuff anything other than fascinating. I think of all the money I threw down that black hole called the "Offering Basket", the years I wasted studying this stuff, trying to avoid reading anything that didn't say, "There is One God and He is the One we worship at this Church." Because why? Because they warn you not to. Why do they warn against reading anything other than Christian propaganda? Cuz it's so freakin' easy to lose your faith! Have you ever wondered why that is? You can only blame Lucifer being after your ever-loving soul for so long, if you actually look at things like science, proof, logic. They may not want to admit it, but religion is running scared. They count mostly on people who have been indoctrinated from birth. (Get em young!!)
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They start to doubt their faith. Death is certain,heaven isn't.

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I must say, talking to a lot of these religious people, they all see any shortfall in complete assuredness as a weakness. It's almost as if they feel it's better to pretend to be certain than to appear conflicted.
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I think it has to do with how they view death in general though - that it's the end, and something to fear. Even if they've lead a good life, there is still "judgement" at the end, and what if they weren't good enough, what if there is something lacking. Plus there is somewhat of a stigma attached to death and dying - (drops to a whisper) you have to talk about it in hushed tones and tiptoe around it, because it might be catching you know.

It's one of the things that I particularly like about many Pagan paths, if not embracing death, at least acknowledging that it is a necessary part of things. The concept of reincarnation helps too, since it's easier to view death as the start of the next journey, rather than an ending. This isn't to say that those left behind aren't sad, etc... but (for me at least) it makes things easier to deal with.

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I know, that for an atheist anyway, I have an unnatural interest in what happens as this life of mine ends. I just hope I'm awake, have my wits about me, and knowledge that the plane's going to crash, when it happens.
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I'd like to think that in that situation I wouldn't be screaming my head of in panic, but I'm not so sure. I think the best I can hope for is eyes closed tight, and bracing for impact - not that it will do any good, but would be hard to override the instinct I think.
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Definitely near impossible. But how many people have died in their sleep without ever realizing they were on their way out? I had a friend who suffered severe head trauma; she lost the last several weeks of her memory from before the accident. It's creepy to think that what you know is happening right now may not exist to you once two weeks from now you plummet to pavement.
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There is the possibility that even though we know that we are going to heaven, we are in fact mourning because we realize that we have so much more that we would like to do here. Did we spend enough time spreading the word of God or did we just sit back and watch others. Of course there are tons of different reasons, we cannot possibly cover them all in this forum. Mind you, this comment is my thoughts on the subject no one elses. I have other thoughts as well but, for the sake of time, and space, I'll stop.

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I appreciate your sharing of thoughts, albeit a small portion of them.

Your thought that people mourn the lost opportunity to do stuff here would make sense if Heaven wasn't billed as this magical place where you'll never feel pain or sorrow again. If believers are concerned that they didn't do enough spreading around of the Word, is this because God will turn them out if they did not? Cuz once again--in this magical place called Heaven, you won't sit around feeling bad that you had only 57 conversations about God with your atheist coworker, instead of 58.
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No it isn't because we have this fear that God will not allow us into heaven. Let me ask this, your one co worker, be they Christian or atheist, if you no longer had the opportunity to talk with this person about what you believe, how then would you feel? I think that perhaps you would feel a sense of loss, that you did not take enough time to talk to them. I personally have no fear of death, do I wish to die, of course not, no one does but whether you believe or not fear or not there is always that feeling you could have, should have done more.
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I am well reminded of that scene from ... Schindler's List, was it? Where the guy was wracked with guilt for not having done more?
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At work will answer more as time allows. As far as the movie there can't comment as I have never seen it.
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Good one Gemini11. Needed a good chuckle he he.
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Because humans are self-aware and it's human nature to fear death. Self-preservation is a strong instinct. Plus, as CK said, you know you're gonna miss your family, even worse is how bad they'll miss you.

There's a huge difference between your average everyday Christian and your suicidal Islamic terrorist who can't wait to die. The terrorist has been brainwashed since birth to believe that the only way into paradise to die I'm the process of killing infidels for allah. They are deprived of women in life and are told 72 smokin' hot virgins await them.

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Thank you, Tony. Your newly edited answer is better than the first was.
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I didn't edit it, I added to it. The app crashes on my when I type for too long haha
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I too so prefer the laptop when it's available.
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We see you don't believe in God, heaven or an afterlife. What do you believe?

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I believe life is understandable with this whole God nonsense. I believe God complicates a whole lot of otherwise simple stuff. And I believe religion offers fairly cheap answers to questions IT forced rephrasing on. But I'm curious, divotdaddy. Why does it matter that I don't believe in an afterlife? Does that disqualify me from asking those who do believe in it about that belief?
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oops. *without* this whole God nonsense
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Novel: you're tempting the wrath of the faithful to fall on you - I am attacked by them on a regular basis - they can't tolerate dissent - dissenters force them to justify rationally, their irrational, evidence-less, belief systems - which is tightly wrapped to their emotions and not their intellect. Many are terrified that life will lose all meaning if they don't constantly lie to themselves in declaring there's an invisible man in the sky that will give them eternal paternal love - along with all of their most desired wishes - like huge groups of virgins, rivers of honey, ice cream for everyone, everyone gets their own mansions, everyone is filled with love and no longer have to fear death - whatever fantasy works to induce them to endorse whole-heartedly, something they want to believe anyway. When humans first comprehended death - they invented religions.
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I already green-thumbed your answer, cere. I only wish I could again.
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Thx N.M for the capital Gs in God. I do hv a question: Atheists spend a 100% of Their life studying about God so they can prove he doesn't exist..Isn't that the ultimate oxymoron !!!
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Most atheists don't. But the kind of atheist you see discussing what they know about religion is the kind that used to be religious. Those already knew about the story of God before they lost faith. Naturally, they are asked many times by (past) fellow believers WHY? Why they lost faith? Many go back to the Bible to try and figure it out. It becomes interesting. I myself am fascinated by religion. And before I became atheist, I really only knew about one flavor of Christianity. I study many more now.

Oh, and I capitalize the G first out of habit, and second out of respect for those who worship Him. I may not believe in God anymore, but that doesn't mean I want to disrespect His memory. Lol!
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A lot of Christians appear to be looking forward to the end of this worldly existence: so they claim. Really devout Christians don't morn their own demise as much as feel an instinctual fear of death like all living creatures with even a tiny amount of consciousness: life wants to persist. However, many of the faithful have doubts that become conscious when facing death - some fear eternal nothingness, some fear judgement by their deity, some fear the eternal unknown, some fear the realization that life was ultimately without meaning. Why do you think the religious must constantly worship in groups, pray in groups, and sing praise in groups? Reassurance against the rationality of doubt. Facing death has been codified by Elizabeth Kubler Ross into several psychological stages most humans will go through - if they have the time and are conscious they are dying. If religion was a buffer against the harsh realities of life - and a promise of a heavenly afterlife - dying will certainly either justify or dismiss the promises of religion.

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A well-rounded, coherent answer. Thank you!
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Novel: Followed - there are at least two or three of us heretics on here ;-)
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Good answer.
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It's because they worry about their families like They say:"What happens if I'm not with my family and what the consequences?. I agree with Cjkenkel. They are leaving their family and loved ones. They couldn't even look in their eyes knowing that there's pain. Hope this helps. =D

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It does. Thank you.
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No problem. =D
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Not all do. Some accept it without any fear, others don't give up the faith but human nature causes doubt when finally confronted. Perfect example, do you remember a couple years ago, a lady named Tammy Faye Baker from MTV's Surreal life? She and her husband had the huge Christian ministry, he messed up, went to jail, blah blah.
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continued to preach her faith, very sweet lady)
She got terminally sick. Now this lady had faith like nobody's business, but I heard her say in an interview before she passed that she was " a little afraid of the unknown".( your point )
I don't think for
a minute she lost any faith. It boils down to human nature, even the strongest can show weakness. I don't think they are doubting the actual belief, just themselves. Hope this helped.

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It did help. Thank you, Bubbles. It's been a while since I've seen you. And you were one of the first people I followed. Right after Dozy (peace be upon his ask self). I hope you know I fully realize ALL people will lament lost years when untimely death is at hand, it just makes me wonder why Christians aren't saying, "Really? I've got 2 weeks to live?? Glory be! Father in Heaven, here I COME!!"
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Hi Novel!! Always good to see you,I know you haven't been around much lately. Yeah,our buddy Dozy left us, I miss him. He has a blog and he's working on writing a book, wouldn't doubt if ask was huge part of it. I think the quality of some questions wasn't enough to make him stick around. Back to your question,
like I said, even the most devoted probably have some doubt just like ol'Tammy Faye. Btw, I appreciated the follow : ).
Stop by more often N, and stay outta trouble. ; )))
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Can't promise the second.
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I don't believe most people will go to heaven. I believe a limited number will rule with Christ over the Earth. When one dies they go back to the ground and experience nothing. Ecles. 9:5. They are awaiting a resurrection to a restored earth. Psalms 37:9-11; 29. Rev. 21:3,4. There are some who may not be worthy of a resurrection and they will simply not be resurrected. The gift of life will simply be removed. No torture. Why are people upset that they will die or that their loved ones will? Jesus was moved to tears when his friend Lazarus died although he knew that he was going to resurrect him and did just that. This life is all we know. We will be saying good bye to family and we know they will be heart broken. Even though we know what the future holds for us it is simply human to feel pain at leaving behind a familiar experience. But it is still possible to be at peace with it.

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I would be rejoicing!!!

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