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Atheism? "So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the Law and the prophets."

Is the Atheist philosophy just stolen from Matthew 7:12 RSV from "The New Testament" from the "Bible"?

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It was in the bible first. This 'unbelieving' world has borrowed A LOT of biblical concepts, whether it wants to admit it or not.

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The bible has also borrowed a lot of concepts
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Please name one johnreal. and where did the borrow it from?
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correction - the = they
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The Epic Of Gilgamesh written hundreds of years before the bible, had the story of a flood the make up of this story is a mold of Noah and the ark, there are a few more....u are the type of person that makes up his mind and blocks everything out
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When was The Bible written and when was The Epic Of Gilgamesh written?
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Do you know?
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The bible was written over may years it is a collection of different books not just one book, surely you knew this, also as for The Epic Of Gilgamesh there are versions discovered as far as 12th century BC and a few even further back it is agreed to be more that 2000 years old
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That collection of book combined makes up the best-selling book in history with approximate sales estimates ranging from 2.5 billion to 6 billion,[5][6] and annual sales estimated at 25 million Bibles.[7]. You may not know this because it is not on the NY Times best sellers list every week. But the fact is that it is. So you know when the Epic of Gilgamesh was written. When was the first "book" of the bible written?
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You have to know this stuff to make it sensible.
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I got to say you are doing great. Just haven't proven anything yet.
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Well anyone can copy and past stuff and look like they are smart, but you just wanna be smart why don't you try picking up a book instead of giving me useless information of sale reports,and genesis (that's the first book in the bible just in case u didn't know) was written at least as far back as 1445 BC, I have given you fact after fact and the only truthful thing you said was copied off the net, you are just a poser looking to escape your life and become something more on the web.
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How do you research something without looking stuff up? I am just trying to find answers and you clearly can not provide any legitimate answer. But you can keep trying if you want. So far all nonsense.
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Like the poser thing, but like I said before I graduated 3rd grade years ago.
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You apparently don't know what none sense is and what you did above us plagiarism not using a universal rule that is wide spread
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"Skate or Die", "Skate tough or go home" awesomeness.
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Well that was completely out of the blue, is it your way of saying I'm finished disregarding good proof as non-sense and I'll start giving my own proof instead of plagiarizing to look intelligent
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No that is my way of saying we use to use the word poser and name calling in general when I was in 3rd grade.
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as in I quote your previous statement, "you are just a poser looking to escape your life"
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Very scientific
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"You apparently don't know what none sense is and what you did above us plagiarism not using a universal rule that is wide spread"

It is a universal rule thanks to The Holy Bible.
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Do you even have a scientific back ground if you had any formal knowledge you would know it describes a psychological condition called Histrionic personality disorder
(HPD) u are really closed minded
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Does it matter if I have a scientific background to ask a question? You must not have a scientific background because you have yet to provide a scientific answer. And once again I graduated 3rd grade years ago but if you want keep calling me names if it makes you feel better.
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I am stating my fact and opinion also you brought up the scientific view point not me
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I am just asking a question that you have not been able to answer. I will give you one or two more replies then I really have to get ready for work. I will check back after work though. Thanks for giving your opions. You are entitled to your own opinions but not entitled to your own facts. Sorry about that.
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And I will say for the last time, they did not plagiarize anything from the bible and my opinion happens to be a fact, it was interesting talkin to someone like you
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Awesome. I am saying for not the last time that it sound suspiciously like a philosophy poorly plagiarized from "So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the Law and the prophets." - Matthew 7:12 RSV - The New Testament from The Holy Bible which is the definition of irony.
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They are using the golden rule commonly found in a lot of places not rewriting the bible, and in his work he mentioned it was the golden rule, I believe
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commonly found in a lot of places because of The Holy Bible. At least he admits it. Keep going but I am out. It was fun and I will check your comments when I get back from work.
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It didn't originate in the bible it existed in ancient Babylon years before the bible and it was found in china before Christianity was even in china
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green for auxarcs
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Billy:
1. The very beginning of bible, the fall of man, has been borrowed from the Hindu scripture which is at least 3000 years older than the bible.
2. Almost all the teachings of bible that Jesus is said to have taught, has been borrowed from the teachings of the founder of Essian cult, whose name was Jesus and who was crucified in 88 BC by the Jews.
3. The ten commandment is a direct interpretation of the Egyptian code of law which existed long before the exodus.
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The bible is the oldest religious text so how can you prove that.
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Egyptian writings were just writing on a tombstone. and the Rigvida was a poem about the Aryans and the Phoenicians Wars. Not religious.
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"Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." How many idols and gods did the Egyptians have?
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the Essenes were really the renegade sons of Zadok, a priestly caste banished from the Temple of Jerusalem by Greek rulers in 2nd century BC. The dead sea scrolls were taken with them from the Temple of Jerusalem and not written by them.
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Look if you don't believe you don't believe. Your confusion on the origins of religion is understandable since you have absolutely no definitive proof. All of this diversion from the original question does not answer it though.
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KarmaChameleon nice name and song...but more importantly there is a bit of a misunderstanding the oldest book on earth is a very confusing term...due to the definition of the word book, there are books which look like the books we have today and the oldest surviving of these types might be a bible but not the oldest ever due to the fact the others could of been destroyed and there were probably many others before.... Also the Egyptians who invented paper out of papyrus had books in fact they had a large library of books before any other civilization do the bible isn't some first book ever it is old but not the oldest
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no thats stupid we just dont believe

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Isn't that what dawkins stole his entire philosophy from?
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Plagerism right
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If not please explain.
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no actually its not. its what dawkins felt was right, not what the bible says. and its not plagiarism. for example, there is much violence in the bible. and so do plenty of other doctrines have this violence. that would be like saying a horror novel is plagiarizing because they have stolen the idea of killing people and a worthless god from the bible itself.
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i dont care about the bible i havent read it and i dont believe
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How can you answer this question if you haven't read the bible? Dawkins would have felt it was right from reading it in the Bible right?
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That makes no sense. How can they steal something they don't believe in?

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Isn't that what dawkins stole his entire philosophy from?
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Plagerism right
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If not please explain.
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anyone?
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Gobstoneninja, Johnreal and others here have been giving you the same, sensible, credible answers I would, yet you only seem to be looking for a fight. You obviously weren't asking a question or actually wanted answers. You were trying to invoke an argument with anyone who doesn't agree with your position. I'm sorry - I'm not interested in participating. I've got better things to do.

I, as do others, come here to Ask to answer questions asked by people who honestly want answers or opinions, not to partake in someones grandiose belief in their own superiority.

Not to mention, but most of the stories from the Bible have been proven "plagiarized" from earlier civilizations and religions. If you had actually done your homework, you'd realize your position is vicarious at best.

Best wishes and regards.

All the best.
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I haven't seen a credible answer yet.
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To assume someone has borrowed an idea from something that he severely detested is credulous. Dawkins detested bible as a lion detests vegetables. And atheism is not a belief rather a rejection of belief. There are numerous verses in the gospels, that have been stolen from the teachings of Essian cult founder - whose name was Jesus (amazing eh!) - does that make the gospel writers any inferior or Christianity any false?

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1st to say a lion detests vegetables is incorrect. "Not normally. It is possible that a lion will eat a bit of grass to settle its stomach the same way as domestic cats and dogs do, but no evidence of this is forthcoming. Also sometimes Lions eat fruit if they are very hungry, and there is no prey around. When they are low on food they go for grass, but very rarely." They do kill other lions also so to say animals don't kill their own species is incorrect. Isn't Atheism based on science? And it's called plagiarism.
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anyone else?
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Or you can try again.
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Was the "Dawkins detested bible as a lion detests vegetables" a Dawkins quote, by the way?
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I just need one answer that makes sense.
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Please, just looking for answers.
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no, atheism isnt based on science. thats a lie believers say to make us look stupid and without excuse. atheism is based on the absense of a belief in a god. meaning its different for each individual atheist what they believe in. unlike christians, where theres a holy book to tell you what to believe in.
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Atheist are always telling me that their religion is based on science. Is it or isn't it?
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Atheism is not a religion. It's free of belief. And a non-prophet forum. Whoever, said you that "their religion or belief of atheism is based on science", is as misguided or ill-motivated as you are. Atheism recognize science above religion of course, as any thinking man would.
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why do they plagiarize from the bible if they don't believe in it? Do they believe in plagiarism?
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Also not to be demeaning but wouldn't a thinking man think before saying something like lions detest vegetables. Scientist do not "believe" this.
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Video of a lion eating grass. Looks like he likes it to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIoXlZlLgfo
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Detesting something doesn't make it forbidden. Even human can, & does, eat grass when it's necessary for survival. That doesn't prove that human has a great taste for grass, does it?
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Like I said that lion looks like he likes it. What does like mean?
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If Dawkins detests the Bible like that lion detests grass then it is totally possible that he plagiarized the Bible.
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Do you think Dawkins would have purred and rubbed his face all in the Bible while he copied it?
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U seem a bit confused, your question asks if atheist 'philosophy' is based on the golden rule... My answer no it isn't. Now I have a few questions for you, do you even know what an atheist is.... Because atheism is not some united following its just a choice not to believe in any deities....they don't all come together and decide on philosophies, also do you even know Dawkins have u ever read any of his books, I'm thinking no....and lastly you cannot talk about plagiarism because the bible is full of it they also dashed a few lines of lies, and the whole lion vegetables attack just shows you are here to provoke and disagree not to get a question answered

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What in the bible is plagiarized? and can you provide proof? Atheism is based on science is it not. I am not a Atheist but have read a little bit of Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris, but not enough to fully understand why they would plagiarize the Bible and the Golden Rule. That is why I am asking this question.
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anyone else?
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With all this science talk someone must have a definitive answer.
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I don't consider Atheism a "religion" since they don't believe in anything that is why I call it a plagiarized philosophy.
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Please tell me why I should think differently.
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Lol u are clearly so confused, and stop asking 'anyone else?' u are not tearing people apart with your comments they just realize you are too blinded by ignorance to understand what we are trying to explain
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And we can't plagiarize atheism from the bible, that statement makes no sense
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You haven't given me a sensible or scientific answer yet, and that is what your plagiarized philosophy is built on. So who is ignorant?
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Anyone else or you can try again.
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name calling is not going to work here my friend.
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I graduated 3rd grade years ago.
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It's not name calling its observation, and I answered atheism philosophy is not and cannot be based on the bible but you refuse to see this answer and that is the definition of ignorance
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Also u say my plagiarized philosophy, u don't kno my philosophy, acting as if u know all about a person, that is ignorance
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And again atheism doesn't have to be based on something that's a persons choice, you can be atheist and not believe in the science view, you clearly don't understand
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Saying you can't plagiarize "something"/"Atheism" from the bible is the statement that makes no sense unless you can prove otherwise. Which you have yet to do.
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Ok you seem to have it figured out, why does atheism not being plagiarized from the bible make any sense, also people were atheists before they were theists
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Please keep trying. I would love to hear a sensible answer.
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That is the question I am asking. I am not a Atheist so I can not answer that.
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Lol, I have given u an answer but u refuse to give me an reason for u to assume my answer is non-sensible, which is further ignorance on your part, you are here to ask a senseless question and revoke any answer on no grounds at all
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You have not given me a sensible or scientific answer. my reasoning is that Matthew 7:12 RSV from "The New Testament" from the "Bible" sounds exactly like Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris's philosophies but was written way before they were born hence forth plagiarism.
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My religion is based on faith.
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I don't know how sensible putting all your trust life and time into the philosophy of people and thinking it is some omnipotent being is but I guess that's how you are wired to work, and these writers you speak about they might of used the golden rule which by the way is found in many other paces other than the bible it is found in many other religions, also the rule is not tge main attraction in tge works of these writers you say you read enough to grasp it clearly you haven't
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So you are saying that it is possible that the entire Atheist philosophy is plagiarized from The Bible?
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No, please tell me where your backward mind saw that statement
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I got this "backward mind saw" from your previous post and I quote, "and these writers you speak about they might of used the golden rule"
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That's plagerism. Here I guess i will spell it out for you.
Plagiarism is defined in dictionaries as the "wrongful appropriation," "close imitation," or "purloining and publication" of another author's "language, thoughts, ideas, or expressions,"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism
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You are doing great though.
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Lol, again as I said the bible isn't the only place with the golden rule this rule has been used by many faiths and they didn't get it from the bible, many books have also stated the golden rule it is actually known as a universal statement so it is not plagiarized
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How could they plagiarize a well know statement it just doesn't make sense
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You have not named a single source yet. There are no religious texts that predate the Hebrew Bible.
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Lol, yes there are many texts that predate date the bible, you are talking about a topic you know nothing about
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How does that question make sense? They read the Bible and copied it but changed it up as to seem to create their own "religion". The statement is well known because of The Bible and that is how they could plagiarize it.
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That's the "close imitation" part in the definition of Plagiarism.
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So you are telling me that atheists stole the bible and changed it and called it their own, please since you are so good at research look up the meaning of atheism and look at it good and tell me what you gather, because if they did that then they are not atheists, and I want definitive proof that they did this, you havent given anything but core less accusations
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And it makes no sense to plagiarize something famous
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And call it your own
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I am saying it sure seems like a person/persons read The Bible, plagiarized it to seem like they came up with their own "religion". People plagiarize famous stuff all the time.
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I was asking a question not making a statement. Any good scientist knows the difference.
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you have yet to provide a answer that makes sense. But please keep trying. I am going to have to go to work in a bit but will check back later to see if you have come up with anything.
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Well any good scientist would look at the answers given and either approve or disapprove given good grounds, you just said that makes no sense and walked off with a full explanation
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And so you are telling me the atheists plagiarized the bible to make their own religion, I have read many ancient books and almost all the stories are similar from Egyptian to the Greeks and even the bible.... They all borrowed from each other
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Any good scientist would give a answer based on "good grounds" you have not yet done this. I have looked at everything you have said and totally disapprove. But this is just a theory at the moment. Still waiting on you to prove it.
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The definition of atheist is someone who dues not believe in an deity, so your statement makes no sense
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Yes but what is Atheism based on? Seems like the conceptions of atheism vary.
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You have disapproved on no grounds for no reason at all
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And this is what I said at the beginning atheism isn't a united following
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You have not proven on any grounds and no reasoning at all. Please keep trying.
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I never said it was a united following or a religion. I say it is a plagiarized philosophy, and thats it.
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Atheism does not have a united philosophy they just simply do not believe in a diety, they don't come together and agree on the grounds on which they don't believe in god, do you understand
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No I don't that's why I asked the question in the first place. Do you understand?
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This however doesn't prove anything.
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Keep going but I am out. It was fun and I will check your comments when I get back from work.
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What I am saying is there are 3 groups theists atheists and agnosticism. Theists believe in gods thus includes all religions from Hinduism to Islam to Christianity
Atheist don't believe in a god, why they dont believe is up to the person
Agnosticism they Choose to be indifferent
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Everyone keeps trying to change the question. Why is that?
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Not trying to change question, trying to get you to understand answer
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no actually it wanst in the bible first. before it was in the bible it was something called respect.

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you hit the nail on the head my friend. :)
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And The Bible was the first written definition of respect.
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Karma: Did you know how many books existed in the world that preached respect before the bible? Heard about Gita - the sacred scripture of Hinduism? Heard about Confucius or Buddha?
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Some early incarnations. An eye for an eye is not the golden rule my friend.
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See I think you are presenting the Bible to be 2000 years old. Christianity is approximately that old. But the Old Testament details events way way way before Gita, Hinduism, Confucius or Buddha.
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Atheists choose not to believe in a God. By default this means that life is an accident. If life is an accident, then there are no true rules to live by. It's strictly survival of the fittest. Kill or be killed. You are not accountable to anyone. But that's anarchy. You could do whatever you wanted including killing. Not even atheists want to risk such total misbehavior as their lives would then be at risk. To ensure our individual survival, let"s adopt the rule: "Treat others the way you want to be treated." Now no one should mistreat or kill us, and yet we can still not be accountable to anyone, because everything is really still an accident. We can have our cake and eat it too. Because if life is not an accident, then we could be accountable to someone. We would be obligated to learn about this Great Cause, and there might even be rules that we should follow. No, we"ll just stick to the one rule that should ensure our survival, and ignore everything else. That"s why they chose to accept that rule.

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What is interesting to note about this tenet of the Christian Scriptures is that no other mainline religious or philosophical system is its equal. The biblical Golden Rule is not the "ethic of reciprocity" that is so commonly espoused by non-Christian moralists. Frequently, liberal critics, and/or secular humanists attempt to explain the golden rule as a common ethic shared by all religions. This is not the case. When Jesus gave this command in Matthew 7:12, it was radically different from all other forms of it-except for the Jewish Torah-used up to that time or since. The difference is subtle, but very important. (cont in comments)

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The biblical Golden Rule is a positive command to show active love, as opposed its
negative, passive counterparts. A quick survey of Eastern religions and philosophies will expose this common inversion, some of which have been described as the "silver rule" due to its inverted command:

Confucianism: "Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you" Analects 15:23.
Hindusim: "This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause pain if done to you" Mahabharata 5:1517.
Buddhism: "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." Udana-Varga 5:18

The Golden Rule as stated by Jesus is radically different in that it is an active, positive command to do good to others, as opposed to the negative, restraining commands to not hurt others. The command to love is what separates the Christian ethic from every other system's ethic. In fact, the Bible is so radical in its command to actively love that Christians are told to love even their enemies, something unheard of in other religions (Matthew 5:43-44; cf. Exodus 23:4-5).

Obeying the Christian ethic and imperative to love others is a mark of a true Christian (John 13:35). In fact, Christians cannot even claim to love God if they don't actively love other people as well because, "If someone says, 'I love God' and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen" (1 John 4:20). The Golden Rule encapsulates this idea and is unique to the Judeo-Christian Scriptures.http://www.gotquestions.org/Golden-Rule.html
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Nothing in Christianity is unique. It was all borrowed from Pagan beliefs before.
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Christianity makes several claims that others do not. First, all other religions exhort man to reach up to God and grasp hold of Him through their own efforts. Christianity is the only religion where God reaches down to man. Second, other religions are systems of do's and don'ts to appease God; whereas Christianity is a relationship with God. Third, Christianity looks to the Bible as the singular source of Truth. Finally, Christianity is based upon truly the most amazing event in all of human history-the resurrection.
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The Resurrection itself is pagan and astronomical in origin.
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You can believe that it doesn't matter. You can believe that God spoke His Truth even through all the plagiarization, and that maybe even the stars themselves were created to mirror the story of the Bible. You can believe that.
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green for strawberrygirl.
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No one who has looked into it and studied it fully (without fully giving into the ignorance of faith) know that Christianity is just the latest (or maybe 2nd to the latest, before Islam) iteration of humanity's stories to describe life.

www.video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8385928943445813330&hl=en

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what?
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Atheists see the world through their eye's. Theists see the would through their hearts.

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But hearts can't see.
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I,m glad someone finally realized my point :)
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How does that answer this question?
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gobstoneninja is right!!! Its talking about respect!:)

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thank you! i give you some green for that one!
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haha
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The first written definition of respect was in The Bible. How does your response answer the question?
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Sounds plausible to me. Only seen 2 good answers so far. auxarcs and strawberrygirl for the win.

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