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Atheists Only Please: Please give your input concerning the recent onslaught of tornadoes, earthquakes and extreme temperature changes

and such issues....do you think these things have a signifigant meaning at this time?

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There are two primary realities that would cause all natural events to seem more prominent. One is exponential population increase. I read the other day of a landslide in Alaska which was the largest such event to have ever been recorded in North America, but no one noticed because it did not affect any population. Earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes and tsunamis have always occurred with some regularity, but they went unnoticed in the past due to lower population densities. The other attributing reality is telecommunications. We now hear on the news virtually every such event throughout the world which gives us the false impression that they are happening more often, when we are really only hearing them reported more often.

All that being said, climatic events such as tornadoes and hurricanes are being reported by meteorologists as being more severe than recorded events in the past. Many attribute this directly to climate change while others are withholding judgement until more conclusive data is available. In the meantime, whether man-made or not, climate change is a reality and it would be a good idea for us to do as little as possible to exacerbate the problem.

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Caltex, I gave everyone answering a thumbs up because they stated their view and stand on things happening in this time. And, in my opinion, there were some very good and informative answers, but I've got to say that your answer is one that I would have given 2 thumbs up as helpful in understanding the view of the atheist. I just want to say, in my opinion, Very well done! I think your represented the view point of the atheist very well and I wanted to say thank you. So, 2 thumbs up, although, of course it would only allow one thumb up to post. Again, thank you.
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Look no further than Caltex to provide info like that. :)
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Thank y'all very much.
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magdalene
You're welcome CalTex. You did do a very good job!
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@magdalene: I think I have mentioned this before -- at least I hope I have -- you are a breath of fresh air to us atheists, and I hope other Christians appreciate you as well. If in fact atheist WERE trying to recruit people away from religion, you would possibly pose one of our greatest obstacles given your gentle nature and reasoned responses. But since we aren't, we can enjoy you for who you are. Thanks.
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Can you make that cold air while you're at it? It's friggin HOT over here! :)
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LMAO... I posted that before I reread it... truly it's hot, not inferring that you are full of hot air... ok, I'm going to shut up now
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@nwarguy: I am running my artificially-enhanced homeostasis device (air conditioner) even as we type.
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Apophis

I doubt it's the fury of the gods, if that's what you're thinking.

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magdalene
I gave you a thumbs up. I just wondered what people thought at this time. Thank you for your answer.
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Apophis
No probs.
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That's a natural phenomenon, species gotta die right?

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magdalene
Thanks for your answer.
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sure, anytime...
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uh global warming perhaps

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magdalene
There are others wondering the same thing too, I think. Thanks for your answer!
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I don't see the point of this question. Things like this have happened for thousands of years but there was no technology to document it.

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magdalene
Thank you for your answer.
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Green for the 2nd part of the answer, but I believe there is a point. Mag is a theist.. and at least she's taking the time (and politely) asking atheists their pov. Many theists simply attribute it to a higher power. So regardless of her motive, she's at least taking the time to hear what we have to say.
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That's your view on the question. Perception is reality and my perception of the question was "are you believers now that these things are happening frequently?"
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These are natural phenomenons. Science can, mostly, determine the causes of these events, but it haven't found the preventions as yet. But, science does everything to warn people in advance to avoid fatalities from these events, while religious god sit tight with its hands tied - if there's at all one - and lavish the sufferings of helpless human! This earth already experienced an ice age, this may be the warm age merely!

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magdalene
Thanks for your answer, pious.
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There is a pattern of heating and cooling that the earth endures... We happen to be in the heating stage. That's why global warming can't be pinned entirely on humans.
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By the way, I love your thought out, passionate answers.
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Pious, I think you did a good job presenting your views and I thank you again for doing so as well as you did.
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An ice age? We've had quite a few more then one over the years
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Well let's just say that the catalyst for human evolution was the constant changes in the African climate. The climate is always changing, and we are perfectly adapted to... Well... Adapting. The world is getting warmer, and we will adapt to it. If, for some reason, storms become more frequent, it's not the hand of god, or some other form of divine intervention. It is our climate changing, just as it has for countless years.

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Thanks for your answer.
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Global warming

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magdalene
I think several people may share that same or similar view. Thank you.
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I can't account for the tornadoes or the temperature, but for the earthquakes... that has def been asked before. I've looked it up and provided the info once before but won't this time b/c the info is out there for everyone to search, but there is barely an increase in earthquakes. People want to believe that there is an increase in these things and attribute them to a god, but they've been happening all along.

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magdalene
Thanks nwarguy, for giving your honest view.
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Lol... and when have you not known an atheist on here to give their honest view? You're welcome
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magdalene
nwarguy, I truly did enjoy reading this. I wanted to be able to read a good, clear view with just each person being able to speak their view and I have enjoyed being able to read that, I have. Without the confusion of comments flying back and forth from christian to atheist and vice versa in each comment area to one question as we each sometimes do, it easier allows one to really take into considerartion what the other is actually posting. I do thank you for your answer again. In, my opinion, everyone has done such a good job.
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Yes, climate change caused most likely by man

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magdalene
I appreciate getting to read your view. Thank you!
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Isn't it that time of year? If there is data showing a significant increase of weather-related disasters, it'd only support climate change. If you want to attribute the lightning to the anger of Zeu- I mean Yahweh, go ahead. Just don't be a Pat Robertson about it.

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Our world is changing and doing it rapidly. Man, like all mammals, will evolve to survive. In 20 years man, for instance, may develope little air condioners, where the gonads are now!!!

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I have read that the experts in such things believe the kind of genetic evolution in humans that we have seen over the last 5 million years may be less of a factor in our future development as we are now developing and using technologies to adapt to changing needs far more quickly than nature allows. So in 20 years we will probably still have gonads (and women, ovaries), but we may have developed artificially-enhanced homeostasis that allows us to have more specific control over our body temperature.
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Thank you for your answer!
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magdalene
Now, CalTex. As I read, I'm taking each answer and comment as fully being the true view of the atheist posting, so your above comment, you were sincere, right? You by now, know I'm not the most informed on some things, so I'm just asking to be sure. I think you are 100% as this is your view, but, I'm just stepping out to ask you to please tell me if not, and I really do trust that you will. I enjoyed reading your comment and I thank you for it.
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@magdalene: The first part of my comment regarding evolution is just something I read by some supposed expert in the field. I only repeat it here because it seems quite feasible that our evolutionary-based ability at problem solving has ramped up to the point that it is overtaking, or has overtaken, natural genetic evolution.

The last part was simply speculation on my part in response to docjim's answer. But again, I only mentioned it because I can imagine it to be feasible given our medical accomplishments so far.

I must say, I can be pretty liberal with assignments of feasibility. Virtually every technological advancement we have made began in someone's imagination. Therefore, if it can be imagined in the context of what we know about the natural world, I give it at least a modicum of credibility. If we were to ever stop imagining, we would surely stop progressing.
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They are just part of nature, not proof of your god's wrath.

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Thank you for your answer!
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The temperature changes and weather related disasters ( like tornados) can be related to global warming, however, I don't think there have been an unusual number of earthquakes recently

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magdalene
Thank you Messanger, for your answer!
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Earthquakes happen. World disasters happen. It's but plate tectonics. You cannot rationally expect the earth to always move as it has and repeat only the processes you are familiar with. A good example here would be an ice cube in an oblong cup of water. Imagine the water drains from the bottom and is repoured over the top. You cannot expect that 10 seconds in it will repeat the exact same process 60 seconds in; the ice has already moved from the position it was in at 9 seconds so how is it supposed to do it again. The point is is that it is ever changing and the only truly unusual thing would be no change at all. In the rate of change or in the rate of change of the rate of change.

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magdalene
Good illustration of your view, Truthisobviousliesar! Thanks.
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You are welcome. I simply divine mathematics to grant me a deeper understanding of the physical world. With a complex understanding of matter and deeper insight into the laws of physics I could have illustrated a better portrait of what I touch on here in a very simple way with a double derivative but my imagination is a bit ahead of the tools I have for thought.
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