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Is it wrong to support gay marriage if your a christian?

I'm a christian, and I've always grown up to learn that gay marriage and such, is wrong. I dont think its really wrong though. Love is love, no matter what. I'm not gay, but I was wondering since I support gay marriage, does that mean I'm not a true christian? I'm just confused...

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A Christian is not to judge but to correct, in love, what the bible says about homosexuality. If you are a bible believing Christian, meaning every word of the bible being truth, then you know That to God it is an abomination. You would teach truth, guide to scripture, pray for them, and love them, not sin. Also, the bible teaches that love is not just a feeling, it is a choice. God is love.

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@shaelovesthebeatles I would suggest not to take anyone's word on this, though I know there is truth spoken here, but read the word of God and pray for Him to open your eyes to His truth.
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I'd say if you're TRULY a christian, it would seem wrong to support gay marriage, yes.
Because that would go against the Bible. and if you do that, you go against the entire Bible, which is against God. So it would seem.

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Well christians are against gay marriage
And the reason for marriage is so that a couple can have kids together meaning in basic terms boy parts were made for girl parts so theres really no point in gays marrying each other

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They can adopt, or women can get sperm implanted in them. There is a point that they get married, it's because they're happy together
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I agree, a boys part was made to fit a girls part. To use them on the same sex is wrong. It goes against nature, the way out bodies were designed. I also don't agree with children growing up thinking a man&man, woman&woman are the way marriages are suppose to be. It's not healthy.
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Actually no. The people that are gay are not effecting your live. They don't live for your opinion. Just cause the bible says they will go to Hell does not actually mean they will. You might as well go there yourself if you think gay people deserve same rights as bisexuals or straights.
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Ac123... The whole reason people get married is to be able to literally make babies the natural way (to have sex with someone you are not married to is a sin) and gays cannot make babies the natural way with each other
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Yes but that's why they adopt. Leave them alone and at peace. Worry about your own life. I don't see how them being gay completely affects your life. Just sayin
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Supporting gay marriage is wrong. I'm not just saying that. GOD SAID that gay marriage is wrong. He even called it an abomination. I can't answer concerning your salvation and relationship with Jesus. I think you need to reexamine yourself & what your convictions are. Either stand with Christ or don't take a stand at all.
God is love, but He has His commandments & standards. Don't go against God & say that you are a Christian, lesr you become a liar and a hypocrite.

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One word ...... Harsh
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So, it's all or nothing? Very "Christian" of you.
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Too much anger to express in polite words -.-
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I'm honest, which gets confused with harsh these days.
Look, I love the people, but I abhor the sin! I am a child of the Living God; so, homosexuality is repulsive to me. God loves all the people too, but He also doesn't condone/allow homosexuality. It's wrong. And if you're a Christian, you shouldn't condone any sin either, whether it be lying, stealing, adultery, homosexuality,or any other sin.
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Yes, it did sound harsh, but this is truth according to the bible, and as a pastor once said to me "it's not the truth that hurts, but the acceptance of the truth" the bible states, one cannot serve two masters, you either serve God with all your heart, or you serve another.
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Wow. "god is love", yet he only loves heterosexuals? With such a hateful god described in the bible, I'm starting to think he and the devil are exactly the same.
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Jjjj...,.NO.. No. Please don't misunderstand. God does NOT hate homosexuals. God loves ALL of us. What God hates is the "act" of homosexuality, not the person. The practice of homosexuality is a sin, like many other sins in the Bible. Just like stealing, for instance. God loves us it's sin that He hates. He is a God of love forgiveness, and compassion.
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Lorak, great answer! Thank you for standing up for your beliefs!
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FirstBorn1, thank you for explaining! I tried to say that, but I failed. Great answer! (:
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FirstBorn, That is 100% true what your comment said!
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It's even worse to judge or condemn anyone who's lifestyle is different than yours.

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Why do ppl say we are 'judging or condemning' them when we are only speaking the truth as written in the Word of God! It is a statement of fact not a judgement call. "Love the person, hate the sin!"
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Really it shouldn't matter if people are gay, they're happy. Wouldn't God want them to be happy?

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Well just because things make you happy doesnt mean its right
For example you lie to someone to aviod being in trouble it wasnt right but it made you happy to not be in trouble
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What's so bad about gay marriage? Nothing. People having sex with horses is legal in 23 states yet gay marriage is legal in 6. It's just 2 people being in love. It's not like they're killing anyone
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Neos, you're my hero! Thank you having a good answer.
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@ac123- And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. (Leviticus 20:15 KJV)
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So innocent gay people deserve to die? Seems legit-_-
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ac123 if they are gay then they are not innocent. And God will judge who deserves what- not us- we are to love the people but hate the sin. What's hard about that?
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Everything is wrong about that. They are gay. So what? Are they affecting you? Leave them alone. You should go to hell. They deserve to be happy. Just because they're gay doesn't mean God disproves them. Idiot
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It is not wrong to support gay marriage! And you are still a true Christian if you support them. I'm Christian and support gay marriage 100%, but that doesn't mean I'm going to hell. What's wrong is to judge the gay community, because only God is supposed to be able to judge people.

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Don't hate the sinner but hate the sin. If you're a true Christian, you would be spreading God's word, the Bible, which states very clearly against gay marriage.
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Let people do what they want, choose to love who they want. I'm not one of those pushy Christians who bother everyone
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Should Be! You just look the other way when you see your fellow friend or associate about to walk off a cliff?
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No... And don't let anyone tell u wrong if that's what u believe then believe in it

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"Do not judge others and you will not be judged. Do not condemn others, or it will all come back against you. Forgive others and you will be forgiven." Luke: 6-37
"And why worry about a speck in your friends eye, when you have a log in your own?". Luke 6-41
Do you have Faith in your heart and know that our Lord is Savior? That is the essence of a true Christian.

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But directly opposing God's commands is wrong!
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God says homosexuality is wrong Leviticus 20:13 would you call God a liar?
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But directly opposing God's commands is wrong!
I don't care what anyone says, I'm gonna obey God.
I have my sins, but I don't just live in sin, I face it, recognize sin as sin, and deal with it. Forgiveness is for all who confess & repent.
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Jerusalem07, thank you!
Let God be true & all men liars!
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I'm sure FB1 is aware that homosexuality is a sin. She's just telling us to leave this matter to God.
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Thankyou Momo..... That's exactly what I'm saying, not very well I guess.
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jaja you guys need to chill. everyone has their own opinion and respect it. i give a greenie to first born though!(: what better answer....first borns answer clearly makes sense beacuse she has verses to back it up.
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@aperson..... Thanks for help getting me out of the dog house. :) smiling
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no problem! your like a mom! an inspiration definatly!(:
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Thankyou so much. You're an inspiration to the younger generation, as well. :)
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@ Jerusalem
All sin is offensive to God. Homosexuality is just one of the many things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 that will keep a person from the kingdom of God. According to the Bible, God's forgiveness is just as available to a homosexual as it is to an adulterer, idol worshipper, murderer, thief, etc. God also promises the strength for victory over sin, including homosexuality, to all those who will believe in Jesus Christ for their salvation (1 Corinthians 6:11; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Philippians 4:13).
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Jerusalem.... In reference to your "call God a liar" comment to me......
You know it's bad enough when atheists and Christians bash each other on this site, but it's even worse when one Christian bashes another.
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Firstborn, I feel ya! Had this debate about a week ago with kevinbuckner, yes homosexuality is a sin, but hate crimes are to! We are all given free will and while we shouldn't be encouraging it, it's not our place to "force" anyone to do what god himself dosnt "force" anyone to do. Using fire and brimstone to scare someone into doing something is the fastest way to ruin their chances of asking god for help, I believe WE sin when cause someone else to stumble.
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True and kind words. Thankyou for them. :)
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FB1 I see your point but as w1963Bobby quotes the Word of God is clear as stated in Romans. No we don't have a right to condemn or judge and we aren't. God will forgive anyone all things if they repent and turn from their sin. If they don't well the Word is clear on the results. I know many who have changed their lifestyles and are trying to live according to God's way. Hard but doable, I don't think Jerusalem was calling you a liar. That is in the Bible. we who believe God must believe all of Him. Not judge and forgiving those who live in that lifestyle is NOT our Job. All we can do is bring the Word to them in love and pray for them to see their own sins as we do. Sometimes the Word can seem harsh only when we want to justify our own sins. To disrespect your Parents is braking the ten commandments which was given to us through Moses, it is not a curse I put upon those who do disrespect, but a fact spoken. I hope that helps you my dear friend. We forgive when we repent, REPENT AND TURN FROM ONE'S WICKED WAYS IS WHAT GOD REQUIRES. We can only pray and let them live however they want but we must avoid the semblance of evil. And do I love my cousins who live that way, I pray for them, even love them because they are 'Blood' of my blood. And I don't debate the issue, why burden them when they are dealing with so much. No I won't preach at them. I am learning when I should and when I shouldn't but I will enjoy their company when we share the same space. If they ask, then I will tell them but so far no one asks me anything and we are cousins shareing old times. I hope this helps my sensitive sister.
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Thankyou . My answer was misunderstood obviously. As you see in my comment above to Jerusalem and the other person, I am quite aware that homosexuality is a sin. I'm also aware that is not homosexuals got hates but the sin it self. Today was not one of my better days for answering these types of questions obviously. I guess i had a real foot in mouth day. Lol On the other hand I do believe that some people can be too harsh and critical in their answers thereby scaring perspective Christians away. Thankyou dear friend.
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@firstborn1: in appears you may be falling into satans trap, by not telling the homosexuals that they are wrong and showing them Gods explanation. The devil wants us to be to busy with other things to deliver Gods messages. By the way I never called you a liar I asked if by not telling are you calling God a liar; I believe by not telling the truth you are calling God a liar.
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Jerusalem.... How dare you make that comment to me. You don't know a thing about me. I don't know who you think you are but please in the future refrain from making comments to my answers.
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Wow! That's rude. You're 110% correct here firstborn. This person here (Jerusalem) should change their username to Judas. I'm really angered by his comments to you. Please, I know you discount him but put him out of your mind and pray for him. He's uneducated and only chooses his words to spew. Again, I truly think the worse sin is judging others. Like I say, I live by judge not and love thy neighbor. It's really sad:( all I can do is shake my head. I know I'm praying God will speak to him and show him the way he should live by Christ.
Bless you for your strong standing That's what God wants from us. God bless you!! :)). Green to this
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Ladies & gentlemen, I present the award of the Pharisee to Jerusalem!
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Thankyou on the bottom of my heart. :)
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And it was the Christians who hung Jesus not the unbelievers! Pharisee's believed but were afraid of Jesus' method that would have upset their money making methods. Like today, church has become big business, and seminaries produce many Men and Women who have NO knowledge of Holy Ghost filled, anointing or atonement. They feel nothing from God observing how much tithes their speech, vs. sermon can pull in!
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I wish this question would fade for awhile.
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But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities?his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn?t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.
So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other?s bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God?s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:18-32 NLT)

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Green! Great answer. The word of God is the ultimate source of wisdom
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So true 100%
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Awesome! 100% glorious truth!
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Jmarie :0) thanks for loving God's word
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Bobby, thank you, truth is truth!
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Thanks so much for that Bobby and that is new testament and not our judging or condemning. Who really wants to argue what is plain English and not debatable. Unfortunately those in high places and positions are not afraid of condemning our country for surely the wrath of God may come and I take a stand with God and pray He doesn't leave us, America, to become the new Sodom and Gomorrah. Take us up sweet Jesus take us up we weren't given the opportunity to vote on it were we? Green again
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True. Green
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Hey Bobby, Ive been checking out some of your you tube! Hope to watch some more.
Ps great answer -Green
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The Plight of Mankind
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Bless you all and please pray for me and the missionary team as we prepare to return to the
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Have been praying for the trip Bobby, and I'm sure others probably are and will. We love you in Christ also. God Bless You! Green for your answer.
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All praises belong to our God who is so kind for imparting his knowledge unto us all. :0)
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I agree. It is the truth that sets us free and that alone! Amen.
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If you think that same sex marriages are alright then you are calling God a liar and that is blasphemy. Homosexuality is wrong;
THUS SAITH THE LORD;
Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

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I would never call God a liar! And hopefully you will never say that to me again just because you don't agree with an answer of mine.
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"put to death?"........nice job!
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Gods words not mine.
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You are way off base and way out of line with your last comment on my answer!! You don't know me and I don't know who you think you are speaking to. You sit there and pass judgement on me and make an assumption about me when you have no idea of who I am on the inside. You criticize my answer like I'm in a classroom. Maybe you shouldn't be so judgmental. In the future please DO NOT comment on my answers, and I surely won't go near yours. Thankyou
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You must not believe god and the bible if you support gays. It's wrong.-Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. (Leviticus 18:22 KJV) -So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (Genesis 1:27, 28 KJV)

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Green.
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Yes, because in the Bible, it clearly says that it's wrong. Supporting homosexuality is like supporting death, or adultery. Sin is sin, and homosexuality is one of them.

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Green.
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Thx for standing firm on God's Word. That's not judgement it is truth! Green for your wonderful answer.
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um no! im a christan and i have several freinds and family members that are living a gay life style. i cant judge them. only God can judge. so i think its totally fine in your situation, just as long you realize they arent born gay!!(:

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Read my answer and following comments if ya get a chance. :)
Greeenie!
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i so would for you!!(: thnx!(:
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I thank you for that. :)
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Let him who is without sin throw the first stone. Although the story was a late addition to the Bible, it still speaks truth. Jesus did not come to praise the righteousness of the religious elite. Rather, he focused on the marginalized and showed that there was more to life than legalistic rules. Regardless if the act is right or wrong, by placing homosexuals in an "other than us" category, we fail to be Christians.

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shaelovesthebeatles, A true Christian will want to know what God says on the subject. Study God's Word for the answers you seek. Christians want to align ourselves with God's thinking. "Love is Love" only if it is what God wants it to be.

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True. Green.
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Very Simply Put - God Says 'If You
Love Me, Keep My Command-
ments.' How Much Do You
Love Him? Is It Enough
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Teachings?
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M a y
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True Green.
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T r u e Gratitude. Be
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God Bless You too PsalmBody!
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It's a sin, but rather than focusing on that why not bring them to god and let god work in them? The last thing you want to do is give them the impression their sins are not forgivable, god loves them, and only he can remold them into perfection.

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What wonderful words. Thankyou also for your kind comment.
Greeeenie. :)
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That is true. We do need to be loving and not judgemental. Sin is sin. But, if it causes us to sin, that is when we have to stand for the right thing, whether it be homosexuality or anything else. For example, abortion...varying views on that. Tough topic to bring up without heated conversation and things like that. But, the truth is, we will answer to God ourselves for some things. Simply put, if we find ourselves in a situation where it causes us to sin, then it's not good. Sodom and Gomorah was real. God speaks, but will we listen? I think of our nation as I say that. But, it is one individual at a time. And, I point to myself when I say that. But, I did want to say it. I do agree with you Tonya with your answer 100%. I only mentioned this in general. They are both important, I believe. I just wanted to mention this as we are in a crucial time I do believe and I know many of us feel the Lord will return soon.
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Gay marriage is against what Christians should believe. God created Marriage for procreation and nothing in same sex marriage can produce the blessedness of life. God blessed sex in marriage between men and women and He has spoken against it throughout His Holy Word.it is a Holy State that should not be altered! Because God says it, not me but the God I serve and want to obey. The world accepts everything taboo I am different from the world not judging or condemning, rules are rules some things are unnatural in all it's actions and cannot meet the level of true enjoyment,& if you believe God then you believe all of Him or none of Him, why alter or debate His intentions when marriage was created?

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Nephertiti, my comment to you ended up on answer instead.
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Nephertiti, Actually I had time to edit the answer which was your comment. So, I just went ahead and answered the question also. Just wanted to say Green for your answer.
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Hi Neph.,,,, it was so good talking to you on the four way. Sometimes it was hard to hear though. You sounded so wonderful. I am so sorry that we lost you I hope you're doing okay. Thank you for your comment to my answer I commented back of course. Lol it's good to see you answering questions.
Greenie and a smile!
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Great answer and I enjoyed reading it as well. :0)
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Thank you my friends had my treatment today and I am up at 4:21 am writing with this one finger. LOL then I answered some one and my IPhone would not let me in for 24 hrs. I believe I answered a cry to get rid of some demons, and again it worked, by the steeped up warfare I know something is working making sluefoot pissed off. LOL But with God on my side I am victorious I got my Grandson with me for a few days. Praise Him Praise Him He leaves Friday so let us look forward to PRAYER TIME FRIDAY OKAY I AM EXCITED!!!
Thank you bobby for your comment God Be with you okay! Got to get some rest!
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We're to love the person and hate the sin. To actually support gay marriage would cause us to sin. That is where the christian can't go. God loves us all and is here to help us all whatever our problem may be, be it this issue or otherwise. We do have to stand for what we believe as the Bible states. It doesn't mean we don't care about the person. They may be a family member or friend. But, are not to support the gay marriage, no.

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Thanks Sherlock. You take care too. And God Bless You and Yours.
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Hi Mag.... looks like my answer stirred up quite a ruckus. Lol I guess I didn't word it very clearly. Your answer was right on the mark. Hug to you!
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FirstBorn, you have a lot of love in your heart. And God IS Love. Like you mentioned, He does see our heart. He does. You, as I read your answer to this question, were trying to impress that we are to love the person. And, we are. And true, Only God can show us the error of our ways, speaking of those who are in this gay lifestyle. It puts christians right on the line on some of these answers I think, doesn't it? I've had to pray alot through the years for such things as this. And, of course, it first came down to me in my personal life. I can see something like homosexuality and know what that means, but also, I see, it is to apply His Word to my life too and first of all. We love the person and hate the sin. It even applies to me. I have to love myself enough to accept His Word for my life and let it bring about change in me and in my life. If I don't love myself, how can I love others? We are in a tough spot here on this and some other delicate issues. And we are in a significant day, where I do believe that God is looking down upon America and has always been, but sin is rampant and is quickly waxing worse. He can't ignore it forever. Just such a significant day we are in! Let's just all pray for one another and stand on the Word, be quick to forgive and love the Lord with all we are and love others as ourselves, and fulfill the law of Christ as we pray for one another. He is growing us and it seems to be a fast call for some of this growth and I do think it is the day in which we live that requires it. And He will give us Holy Boldness and His Wisdom in all things when we ask, I do believe. We can do nothing without Him. You are a precious sister!
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Oh. Mag, I'm trying to type a response to you but your words brought those years back to my eyes again, along with that lump in my throat that is so big it hurts. Well I guess that's one way to shut me up and keep me out of trouble here on Ask isn't it? Lol
I can feel your and Nephertitti arms around me in a loving hug. What did we talk about? Sister Soldiers! Yeah!
Yes, I know what God's word is concerning homosexuality. God loves the person but hates the sin. My answer was incomplete as that statement should have been put in and probably a few more as well. So I didn't put my best foot forward on this question. I understand that. What I have a problem with is the rude remarks I received from one particular person after my question. As Christians we are to be kind, not judgmental. Read the comments by "J" to me, especially in the end. Your comments are kind and his are judgemental and disrespectful. That is what is so disturbing to me. You know as Christians we need to be firm in our belief, but we also need to be kind to all others. Thankyou for the love. That is what brought the tears to my eyes and the lump in my throat. You my sisters are so dear and special to me.
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And you, FirstBorn, are so dear and so special to us as well! You are a tender heart and we love you.
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Oh you guys have brought tears to my eyes all this love Is God in through and around us like a lightweight cloak of armor keeping us and projecting us into the worlds we live in. My goodness I thought I was going to get off then God said read on... My eyes welled up Mag at the wonderful sentiment you've shown towards FirstBorn! Wow I see so much growth sparked in you FirstBorn, I am so happy how God is orchestraighting us. Please remember Lonesniper in your prayers, Friday ok My sisters in Christ!
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The Bible KJV says in Deuteronomy and Romans...homosexuality is a gross sin.. people have decided to ignore the scriptures and make homosexuality ok, no man can change God's written word to favorite your sinning. It's not about support or judgment... it's about what GOD said in his word the Bible. In Genesis, God created woman, for man.. God's words. Man will either obey or not, we are made with free will. Our choice or choices does change God's word. We are free to support whomever he choose.. Engaging in Homosexuality doesn't keep of from loving the person. We are to love our neighbors...

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Greeeeenie to you. Good to see you. I was a little worried about you today. Hope everything is OK. :)
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magdalene
Dustee, what a perfect answer! Thumbs up.
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magdalene
Dustee, I just saw your answer again and read it again. I loved this answer.
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Green for you my friend God Bless!
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If you're Christian, you support the Holy Bible. And the Bible says:
1 Corinthians 6:9- Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality
IF THE BIBLE DOES NOT SUPPORT IT, THEN A CHRISTIAN SHOULD NOT SUPPORT THIS

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Amen. green.
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Jesus Christ of Nazareth Teaches
'You Are Either With Me; Or,
Against Me.'. 'You Are
Either Gathering Or
Scattering . No
In Between.
Choose
Life.
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No. Do not use literal readings of our Holy Book, written not by Jesus himself but by his very much human companions, then edited over the centuries by human hands, to guide your thoughts. Use your reason, your wisdom. Have these homosexuals hurt you? Have they persecuted you? Have you cause to hate them, beyond the words of a pastor who probably believes you are inferior to him because you are a woman? If not, and even if so, do not continue the legacy of hate. Be a true Christian, and fight for the weak, the oppressed, and the discriminated, as we likely wished others would've done for us when our martyrs died in the Colosseum.

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