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ravenevan:
9 months ago
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It seems that scientific observation indicates that it's human nature to feel a sense of duty for one another. It's known as empathy, which encompasses a wide range of benevolent behavior.
~ As far as what the moral teachings of religion has to offer, I would say nothing beyond what is already human nature. The moral and ethical teachings of religion are nothing more than a twisted co-opted version of human behavior where people are told they can't be good, loving individuals without the help of a particular god with enough clout to neutralize the evil nature that is your character.
~ I feel comfortable in saying it's more probable that people can be good, loving and even self sacrificial when needed without any religious prompting.
~ Here is an 11 page article from the university of Chicago psychology department about the evolution of empathy.
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http://home.uchicago.edu/decety/publications/Decety_ANYAS2011.pdf
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In the link below it can be seen that even rats demonstrate empathetic behavior.
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http://news.discovery.com/animals/rats-empathy-111209.html#mkcpgn=rssnws1
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cerebrogasm:
9 months ago
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ravenevan: much appreciated - I'll read this reference tonight - thank you. Although I was personally indoctrinated with great zeal by strict private parochial education over my first 12 years by the Jesuits, I often saw many of the teaching clergy struggling with their faith - especially those that also held advanced degrees in the sciences (especially biology and anthropology). They stressed rational thinking - prized it even, yet could not reconcile, rationally their beliefs with such things as evidence, logical and rational inference and deduction, and actually appeared to be frightened of historicity when it conflicted with their dogma. Some of them actually left the clergy - others retreated from their advanced studies. In the midst of their almost militant advocacy of a Biblically based morality framework - Christianity - the child molestation scandal broke out - several of my classmates and upperclassmen (all male high school) were confronting the Church - specifically our senior priest - who had been involved in a Sandusky type operation for years - with the full knowledge of the bishop made Cardinal who moved he and several others around to different parishes to evade exposure and possible prosecution - eventually the Cardinal had to leave our Boston school and retreat to the Vatican also evading prosecution. How can such amoral men - secret predators - preach morality to teenagers - and look themselves in the mirror - or dare to face their God?
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riverlady:
9 months ago
Yes, because the bible instructs that we are all here to take care of one another. Matthew chapter 25 and 26
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cerebrogasm:
9 months ago
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If you read my question closer - suppose we had no theology or supernatural experiences or consequential beliefs - could we develop, as a species, knowledge of right from wrong, ethics, morality, as well as find acts against our brother and sister humans, despicable?
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Truthisobvious:
9 months ago
I believe in the Buddhist philosophy that we make those around us happy for our own well being. How can you be the only happy person in a see of misery? I believe we have responsibility to take care of others for it is to our own benefit and with exceptional respect to long run behavior.
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cerebrogasm:
9 months ago
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Interesting take - that's actually an established doctrine in philosophy - It is in our own personal interest to help others thrive. Self-interest by means of benefiting others.
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Truthisobvious:
9 months ago
Indeed I find Buddha just so happens to agree with much of my personal feelings. I do not protest to be Buddhist though I find his teachings useful and more accessible that much philosophy. I reach deeper into philosophy but not many people want to take the time to read "On Liberty" by John Stewart Mill. It makes the bible's reading look like a child's book and its a small fraction of the word count. It's an exhausting read but well worth it if you have not already read it.
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franknitti:
9 months ago
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Yes murderous savages! A Cancer slowly killing the earth.
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cerebrogasm:
9 months ago
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I'm not sure if I've got your point - are you saying that humans are naturally homicidal maniacs destroying their environment - which will eventually destroy ourselves - making us a suicidal species - innately? If that were true - why are we still here?
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On my furthest day away from God I was still a really nice, good at my job, helpful with people, a loving parent and wife..... But know that I have God, there seems to be a reason for it all. Before it seemed it was because that's what everyone just did. And I honestly can't fathom how on any given day I get up, help my kids get some breakfast and then go about our day, while others get up just to hurt others.
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FirstBorn1:
9 months ago
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Enjoyed your answer. :)
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cerebrogasm:
9 months ago
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Lala: interesting answer - thank you. Probing just a bit deeper - prior to your religious epiphany - you still understood right from wrong (not because of man made societal laws) - and helped your fellow human - but you did so because this was what everyone else appeared to be doing? You had no inner voice directing you to support a "social contract" between yourself and another - prior to your embrace of religion? And it was religion that gave you those reasons that you were expected by God - to love your neighbor (I'm paraphrasing)? I want to make sure I have your comment and feelings about this existential question correct.
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You know, we're all taught rules growing, some good, like me, some bad, some from the Bible, some from school, some from bad parents, some people even get their set of rules from the people who kept them locked in a closet, it's all in what you do with it. If you only get your set of rules from the monster who abused you your view of right and wrong is going to obviously be drastically different than mine. I don't remember an " inner voice" I just remember it wasn't in my nature to hurt people or cheat them or to lie to them. If I did something not quite right it involved myself and wouldn't have really affected others. ( that I know of).
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caluvox:
9 months ago
Yes, we are a social species. It is part of our psyche to care for one another, we run into burning buildings to save complete strangers, even those that do harm know they are doing wrong. The care and respect we have within us is not a god or bible given thing, if that were true we would have died out as a race long before the first religions came into being.
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cerebrogasm:
9 months ago
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Evolutionary scientists believe that empathy, compassion, and self-sacrifice gave our species survival advantages. They've seen this in other primates as well. They also have noted that our adrenal glands are oversized, while our pre-frontal lobes are under-developed (this is where impulse control occurs). Further, we seem to have an oddly evolved amygdala - which mediates emotion and has been associated with characteristics as diverse as psychopathy and superstition - psychopaths appear to have an absence of neuronal trunks that attach empathy, for example, with overall character. Superstition, they believe, was selected to survive for some advantage - as in "intuitive feelings" but it may have became overly developed before selection could eliminate it - most likely due to the interference of culture. Supernatural belief evidence appears co-incident with the first indications of organized tribal systems - just after we learned agriculture and could end nomadic hunter-gatherer existences.
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humans as a species are savage and immoral. I think people need guidance and law, spiritual, political, or legal.
as americans moved west settlers were raped robbed murdered. the native Americans were slaughtered for their lands. all through human history people, cultures,and races, slaughtered, and sometimes wiped out, for what someone else wanted to take, or even just because someone wanted to kill someone else for the hell of it. what other species does that?
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Truthisobvious:
9 months ago
I see your point. But it raises the question that perhaps it is not that we are immoral intrinsically but that we can be taught to act without compassion. My thoughts are that if god tells a person resistant not believing there is a god that they will do anything that god tells them to. The crusades were a perfect example of 'misinterpretation' of the bible proving fatal and terrible in nature for the command of divinity. It behooves people to help one another but when god tells us to kill we kill. The middle east illustrates this well but is not the only example. The Furor was painted as like a deity and people unquestionably followed orders. I certainly see where you are coming from but the polarity of this is at least equal.
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cerebrogasm:
9 months ago
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You have a good point: we have dug up evidence of parallel humanoid creatures that existed at the same time as our progenitors - a new branch was found in Kenya in the past month. It appears that due to our particular evolutionary direction - our distant ancestors may be responsible for the violent, murderous extinction of these co-existent primates. We then have to account for our innate moral compasses - which built huge, literate, highly functional civilizations - China - long before the first Christian missionaries appeared there. They had laws and systems of justice - all on their own. Prior to this, the Sumerians had evolved a massive organized "dynasty" - I've always wondered - within Christian theology - if God sent his son to teach humans how to live and attain salvation from humanity's ubiquitous birth defect: original sin (I realize this has been altered after the Reformation) - why would he pick backward, illiterate, ignorant goat herders under tyrannical Roman rule, and not a more advanced civilization? Once again, God works in mysterious ways.
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dogs kill to, preserve territory,for food, or for self preservation,(of a known threat or because they're unsure of the victims purpose). if you remove all consequence for actions, people will do what they can out of a purely selfish nature. and that requires the process of intelligent thought.
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I would say that most people do; regardless of what part of the world they live in.
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cerebrogasm:
9 months ago
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Thanks for your opinion. Did you have any further thoughts why this is true?
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I really wish I knew the answer to this because sometimes I am so concerned & helpful to others that I, myself, suffer for it. I can't help but love and caring for others & animals. I guess I was born that way. There are times I wish I could just look the other way, like when I see a stray & hungry dog, I am compelled to stop & help- now I have way too many dogs!!!
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People are good even without religion because it serves them well to be good. In other words we learn to be good by being good. We see that it helps us to be good and harms to be bad. Basically we are all born selfish. We learn to be selfless because it benefits us.
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cerebrogasm:
9 months ago
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I agree with you - but I also believe the explanation is more complex.
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ravenevan:
9 months ago
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It is becoming more evident that we are born, empathetic, more than selfish. A great deal of research has been done with babies and children as well as various social animals. Cooperation and empathy is an essential survival character that has evolved in many species.
- I think the selfish gene dogma is giving way to the evolution of empathetic cooperation.
- I think the selfish gene dogma is giving way to the evolution of empathetic cooperation.
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Newborns are selfish. Empathy and cooperation is learned as they grow even by a couple of months. Just as a baby learns that by crying they're needs can be met. We are born selfish and we learn quickly.
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advancement123:
9 months ago
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I believe that humans are not intrinsically selfish as stated by others. I believe that while humans are born with personalities, most humans ( minus the sociopath) are guided by positive and negative reinforcement. When giving to others provides them with good feelings internally or externally they are more apt to be more giving.
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cerebrogasm:
9 months ago
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This goes to the argument as to whether we are born "tabula rasa" (blank slates) or with innate propensities - which could be termed "good" or "evil" depending on the context any action is evaluated within. Then, of course, we have the human aberrations - such as psychopathy and pedophilia - are these innate hard wired alternate "strains" of humans or "deviations" or "pathological" neurally wired brains? This leads to the next question - what are the requirements that must be had to constitute a human being? I'm not referring to bodily physiology - but to mind-brain structures that new evidence is pointing toward a deficiency in psychopaths, for example. Which boils down to whether a psychopath is entirely human - given that they are neurologically "wired" differently to most of the population. A less than human verdict would necessarily obviate any "unalienable" rights afforded to humans. As we uncover more evidence to the biology of human brains - along with its deficits - occurring for whatever reason - we're going to have to make some hard choices regarding such potentially lethal "aliens" living next to us.
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There's much depth in attempting to answer this on ask.com..
I will say this .. For the Atheist, there world view cannot work without "borrowing" from the Christian world view .. There can be no absolute morality, no good or absolute evil, only arbitrary to both. The atheist has no explanation to the transcendental nature to God or for the explanation as to the invariant transcendental nature as to the universal laws of logic..
On both of these points the Atheist must borrow from the Christian world view to argue against the existence of God.
If you truly are interested , the best debate you will EVER hear is the debate between Dr. Greg Bahnsen and Dr.Gordon Stein. Known as the Bahnsen/Stein debate.. Here's a link.
It 2hrs in length.. But it unequically proves the points mentioned above.
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you may have to google the debate. they don't seem to like you tube links on here but here it goes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1hSx2evTGM
Source: YouTube
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cerebrogasm:
9 months ago
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Atheists do not need any specific theology - key alone Christianity - to be an option to advocacy of any theistic belief system. Atheism is not a "belief" system. Atheists simply do not believe in a God or Gods or the supernatural - they are the absence of belief - requiring evidence to persuade them that we live in a supernatural imbued world. A non-belief in a deity is not precisely the same as saying atheists "believe" there is no God - that subtle distinction often allows the religious to demonize atheists as some moral aberration to humanity - which is becoming a harder sell, especially outside of America, due to the worldwide decline in religiosity. The religious in America proselytize that atheism is corrosive to living a good, meaningful, moral life - yet it is the religious that are always casting the stones of anger and vitriol against unbelievers - and more covertly, believers in other religious doctrines. Atheism is now predominant throughout Western Europe over religiosity - and Europe has not devolved to barbarity as a result - in fact - many parts of Europe's citizens (as well as Australia) are enjoying better qualities of life than the religiously mired America. This evidence challenges the assertion the religious make that a people without supernatural tyrannical laws - written by men - are amoral, war-like, lawless savages.
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Take 2 hours and listen to the debate I mentioned. Your not grasping the understanding of what I have said.
You touch on morality , but without understanding the arbitrary
conclusions that result of rejecting a Christian theistic world view, further, you did not touch on the laws of logic and contradiction that transcend the material world that you ,even now, use to argue your case now against me. The Atheistic world view borrows this from the Christian world view without understanding that it has done so.. And further , because you don't even mention it in your case but use your logic, you have just borrowed it as well..
You touch on morality , but without understanding the arbitrary
conclusions that result of rejecting a Christian theistic world view, further, you did not touch on the laws of logic and contradiction that transcend the material world that you ,even now, use to argue your case now against me. The Atheistic world view borrows this from the Christian world view without understanding that it has done so.. And further , because you don't even mention it in your case but use your logic, you have just borrowed it as well..
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As to your referencing , the strength of Atheism please note the following,
In Dinesh D'Souza's book "whats so great about Christianity" the facts below are referenced and stated so feel free to attempt to prove them in error, but even the leading atheist don't dispute Him in this area. And 1 further not , notice below its a "belief in God" not a belief in religion.
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Here are some facts concerning that you falsely claim as to God non- belief..
The EXACT opposite is the case.
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1. In the 1960's the souther Baptist convention members were 8.7 million members.. Today there over 17 million.
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2. In all of Europe ninety percent of Greeks acknowledge the existence of God.. Only (( 5% )) are Atheist
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3. 40% percent of Americans attend Church
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4. More than 90% !! Believe in God
And 60% of those say there faith is important to them.
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5. America is the most religious country in the world!
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6. In 1900 80% of Christians lived in Europe and America. Today 60% live in the developing world.
7. There is now more than 100 million Christians in China alone!
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It appears that you are equated to either the 5% in Europe that feel that way or the 10% in America.
It appears that 90 to 95% disagree with you.
In Dinesh D'Souza's book "whats so great about Christianity" the facts below are referenced and stated so feel free to attempt to prove them in error, but even the leading atheist don't dispute Him in this area. And 1 further not , notice below its a "belief in God" not a belief in religion.
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Here are some facts concerning that you falsely claim as to God non- belief..
The EXACT opposite is the case.
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1. In the 1960's the souther Baptist convention members were 8.7 million members.. Today there over 17 million.
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2. In all of Europe ninety percent of Greeks acknowledge the existence of God.. Only (( 5% )) are Atheist
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3. 40% percent of Americans attend Church
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4. More than 90% !! Believe in God
And 60% of those say there faith is important to them.
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5. America is the most religious country in the world!
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6. In 1900 80% of Christians lived in Europe and America. Today 60% live in the developing world.
7. There is now more than 100 million Christians in China alone!
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It appears that you are equated to either the 5% in Europe that feel that way or the 10% in America.
It appears that 90 to 95% disagree with you.
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cerebrogasm:
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It has to be a Christian world view I must endorse to understand morality. Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Jaynes, and those that do not accept the supernatural as part of reality - we've got it all wrong - only a Christian has the correct moral compass? I have read Dinesh and watched many of his debates. He makes the same assertion that you do: atheists need Christianity to define themselves. This entirely specious. Atheists represent the absence of belief - not belief in disbelief - of Christianity or any other supernatural, organized belief. I'm amazed how Chistians like yourself imply atheism has victimized them - you cite statistics indicating your belief system is a world dominating power - yet the faction of humans not convinced by your theistic arguments to embrace the supernatural - threatens you. You can't be victimized by being asked challenging questions about your adherence to the supernatural - if you're certain. I've argued this with true fundamentalists - even within the clergy - those that are certain of the veracity of their faith - do not get emotional, claim I'm victimizing them, or vitriolic - but they also do something rare: they don't try to put words in my mouth, attack me personally, or condemn me to the underworld they believe exists - these are men and women of faith I can respect - even if I disagree with them.
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You misread .. The percentages above are Dinesh D'Souza's..
However the debate I'm referencing has "nothing" to do with Dinesh..Dinesh argues evidential apologetics, presuppositional apologetics are the legs that support the platform in which the Atheist "attempts", I might say , to stand on to argue against the existence of God.
Please go back and read..
It's the great Bahnsen /Stein debate..
And yes, you do borrow my Christian world view , even now by your employing of Invariant ,transcendental
Laws of logic and reason that the Atheist cannot explain but however still borrows from the Christian world view to argue their case.. As you are doing now I might add.
It's apparent you have not understood, by your statements, the impact of the undisputed facts before you, and the void of an Atheist to reconcile this is without using the Christian world view to do so..
You seem like you may like homework ..I only suggest that you take a look.
I posit that it will shake the foundations of what you have come to believe..
My best to you..
TC
However the debate I'm referencing has "nothing" to do with Dinesh..Dinesh argues evidential apologetics, presuppositional apologetics are the legs that support the platform in which the Atheist "attempts", I might say , to stand on to argue against the existence of God.
Please go back and read..
It's the great Bahnsen /Stein debate..
And yes, you do borrow my Christian world view , even now by your employing of Invariant ,transcendental
Laws of logic and reason that the Atheist cannot explain but however still borrows from the Christian world view to argue their case.. As you are doing now I might add.
It's apparent you have not understood, by your statements, the impact of the undisputed facts before you, and the void of an Atheist to reconcile this is without using the Christian world view to do so..
You seem like you may like homework ..I only suggest that you take a look.
I posit that it will shake the foundations of what you have come to believe..
My best to you..
TC
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I did forget to mention, I do respect you much more so than most Atheist I encounter on here.. You seem to be very able to understand fallacies and inconsistencies.. And seem to articulate yourself well.. I don't waste my time with anyone that doesn't have those qualities anymore.. When some one is contempt prior to investigation, which of coarse , is a fancy name for the ignorant or someone that appears they want to learn but being they have reached there conclusions, that also implies a ceasing to think about those conclusions again. Both are equally devastating to knowledge.
Its been a pleasure to talk with you.
Its been a pleasure to talk with you.
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toriwise1:
9 months ago
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You have clearly missed the point Spang has made to you. My father has a PHD in Philosophy along with a Masters in Divinity and A theological degree and knows Dr. Bahnsen, It is apparent that you are use to arguing with a garden variety evidential apologist where as Spang is a taking a presuppositional stand that, to the Atheist, is undefensible in his world view. I suggest you watch that debate the same way I suggest when jumping from a plane that you pull the rip cord. Thank You
You have clearly missed the point Spang has made to you. My father has a PHD in Philosophy along with a Masters in Divinity and A theological degree and knows Dr. Bahnsen, It is apparent that you are use to arguing with a garden variety evidential apologist where as Spang is a taking a presuppositional stand that, to the Atheist, is undefensible in his world view. I suggest you watch that debate the same way I suggest when jumping from a plane that you pull the rip cord. Thank You
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Ty Tori..
Hmmm your father?....
I know His understanding is not there , it usually take a good hour is so until there understanding catches up .. Then..... They realize..
God Bless
Hmmm your father?....
I know His understanding is not there , it usually take a good hour is so until there understanding catches up .. Then..... They realize..
God Bless
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cerebrogasm:
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thespang: I truly appreciate your conciliatory remarks - you might be surprised that I had won a scholarship - full ride - Harvard's Divinity School - will my Jesuit clergy teachers were pressuring me to attend Iona Seminary school - again on a full ride. Although I've attended many lectures on a range of topics at both Harvard and MIT, and have professors of Divinity in my family - I was more drawn to science - engineering - and research - which eventually led to my true interest - film production. An odd mix, eh? Fortunately, after working as an editor for several major college textbook publishers - the Chair of the MIT math dept. - one of my clients and friends - also had a fascination for film - except from his perspective - imaging extremely difficult to envision mathematical-functions - soon we co-wrote code that allowed super high resolution images to be created from an author's equations alone - saving all involved a great deal of labor while greatly increasing the accuracy of the final output - now standard fare in most advanced math texts. This innovation got me a lot of press - but the real bonus is that it was applicable to many fields in science - which would eventually lead me to publishing my own text on how to optimize this code as well as how to integrate it within various scientific concentrations. That opened a lot of doors in various and diverse fields of research across a large spectrum of scientific concentrations. That led me to film and computer animation production - but my interest in divinity studies - and philosophy - never left - and over the past few years I've been interviewing and documenting neuroscientists that have been making some game-changing discoveries regarding human consciousness (directly attributable to advances in technologies adapted to brain science studies). The last shoot I did was with both divinity doctorate students in encounter with neuroscientists - with new evidence, that is to say the least - unsettling. The production house is negotiating with media sources like PBS / Discovery / Nova etc. while doing the same with selected universities. This is fascinating research. As far as the debate you asked me to watch - will do - I'll do this tonight. One other thing: I apologize for assuming you were yet another stalker that hides behind religion to shield venomous attacks on whom they have conjured an image as to whom I am and what I represent. We may not agree on a topic - but I do appreciate a good debate, using the rules of civil discourse.
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cerebrogasm:
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PS: forgive the oddball spelling - this new iPad is more than a spell-checker - it appears to want to write its own words as well - dumping mine and replacing them with its own. Apple needs to work on this.
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cerebrogasm:
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toriwise: point taken - I will follow up on that debate.
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cerebrogasm:
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thespang: could you re-check the YouTube link - I'm getting an error from YT stating that the video is not at that URL. Thanks!
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Your comments are very welcome and refreshingly appreciated. To the video issue. There seems to be a problem, at least with me, it seems at posting a link to "YT". I would probably just google "Bahnsen/Stein debate.. It's an hour and 1/2 , MP-3 I might add.
I'm impressed with your studies and career. The road you travelled has been bumpy and diverse and fun it appears. We are hilariously similar and yet polar opposites as well in our paths.
I ran from God when I was young, I had a "physical, dry alcoholic father.
3 black belts , 9 highschools..(my temper scored as high as my IQ apparently :-/ I went to a school of the bible for two years, then attained a Masters in theology.
I was in the insurance industry for 17+ years. I played a lot of Golf and did my morning , theology/Philosophy
reading , played chess etc. well I met over the years different people, Russians, Diplomats, Tunisian's, Prince's etc.. Well I introduces two different people that could, "maybe"I thought help each other .. Turns out they could and it turned into a massive oil/jet fuel deal that they graciously included me in.
All that said: I'm bored a lot now ! Lol
Its been a pleasure to talk with you and I would like to know your thoughts after digesting that debate.
My best to you..
Your comments are very welcome and refreshingly appreciated. To the video issue. There seems to be a problem, at least with me, it seems at posting a link to "YT". I would probably just google "Bahnsen/Stein debate.. It's an hour and 1/2 , MP-3 I might add.
I'm impressed with your studies and career. The road you travelled has been bumpy and diverse and fun it appears. We are hilariously similar and yet polar opposites as well in our paths.
I ran from God when I was young, I had a "physical, dry alcoholic father.
3 black belts , 9 highschools..(my temper scored as high as my IQ apparently :-/ I went to a school of the bible for two years, then attained a Masters in theology.
I was in the insurance industry for 17+ years. I played a lot of Golf and did my morning , theology/Philosophy
reading , played chess etc. well I met over the years different people, Russians, Diplomats, Tunisian's, Prince's etc.. Well I introduces two different people that could, "maybe"I thought help each other .. Turns out they could and it turned into a massive oil/jet fuel deal that they graciously included me in.
All that said: I'm bored a lot now ! Lol
Its been a pleasure to talk with you and I would like to know your thoughts after digesting that debate.
My best to you..
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Apparently your not the only one with "fat thumbs" on a iPhone ;-) ugh
Typos ! ;)
Typos ! ;)
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cerebrogasm:
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thespang: Your next mission , should you decide to take it, is to write your autobiography. Amazon has a new initiative that bypasses so much of the tape of traditional publishing routes. Think of it as part of your legacy.
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Ty ;) your very kind, I use to think I was unique... until I met more people :-) lol
Now I'm resigned to be just another "bozo on the greyhound bus of life" ;)
Now I'm resigned to be just another "bozo on the greyhound bus of life" ;)
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Wow, you guys gave me a slew of words to look up in the dictionary! The wisdom of each of you is way beyond me! I enjoyed your debates!! Greens!
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@keatron, Your so very sweet my darln.. Thank You. But in all honesty, I've walked into many a room where I was the dumbest one in attendance.
What you have witnessed , is rare on ask.com.. A civil , intellectual, mutually respectable debate.
My best to you honey!
What you have witnessed , is rare on ask.com.. A civil , intellectual, mutually respectable debate.
My best to you honey!
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toriwise1:
9 months ago
@cere Thank you, I know you will enjoy it. Im glad to see mutual respect being applied.
@spang My father does know you!!!! lol
He said you put the professors on there heels on several memorable occasions!
and your humor was something of legend :) too funny!
@spang My father does know you!!!! lol
He said you put the professors on there heels on several memorable occasions!
and your humor was something of legend :) too funny!
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Lol.. Your father is a great man, he also knows my humor cost me many countless, sleepless nights of long drawn out papers with a report of my summary conclusions :-/ ugh lmao
My humor fizzled like the "light brigade"on a few of those occasions!!
My humor fizzled like the "light brigade"on a few of those occasions!!
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toriwise1:
9 months ago
I cant answer that better than the spang did... He nailed it.
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cerebrogasm:
9 months ago
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You should read the argument closer: the atheist has no explanation for the transcendent nature of God? They do not seek one because they believe such transcendence is in the minds of humans whom desperately wish this were so - atheists don't see God either, because the only evidence for God is what believers have been told. Show any atheist hard evidence - something Godly - such as appearing to all humanity simultaneously and ridding us of disease, famine, poverty, in-justice, take your pick - and now the atheist has evidence and they will not require of themselves to "believe" in God - they know God exists - faith will no longer be needed for anyone. We estimate human life, as we know it today, evolved between 100,000 - 200,000 years ago - a time of unimaginable horrors to simply survive. God watches all of this until 2,000 years ago when he finally makes a decision to intervene - by giving his son up for human sacrifice. Such love for his creation - 98,000 years had to go by - of human torment - before he took action - and this is the pillar of ultimate morality we should emulate? That sacrifice, according to Christianity, absolves all believers - who are now redeemed of their sin - vicariously. What responsible adult can accept such a proposition? Answer: an adult indoctrinated as a child or came to the faith out of an existential need - such as the balm faith offers for the myriad of inequities of human existence.
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You obviously never looked a the Bahnsen/Stein debate have you?
You have not read my last comments to you, you mistakingly thought I was referring to D'Souza's debates.. I was NOT. Again , I will state that you are again and again, Borrowing my Christian world view to explain to me your case..
Pls do your self a favor and learn what I am telling you... The Atheist cannot explain the invariant ,transcendental laws of logic and contradiction but borrows My Christian world view, they there not aware they do this, to argue a case against the existence of God..
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You have not read my last comments to you, you mistakingly thought I was referring to D'Souza's debates.. I was NOT. Again , I will state that you are again and again, Borrowing my Christian world view to explain to me your case..
Pls do your self a favor and learn what I am telling you... The Atheist cannot explain the invariant ,transcendental laws of logic and contradiction but borrows My Christian world view, they there not aware they do this, to argue a case against the existence of God..
Please review this and come back
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If you don't want to know about it that's ok, but telling me you grasp what I mean ,when it's clear by your statements your not even coming close to comprehending it, is getting drawn out to me positing you don't want to know...
I cannot help apathy. No one can
I cannot help apathy. No one can
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toriwise1:
9 months ago
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You have clearly missed the point Spang has made to you. My father has a PHD in Philosophy along with a Masters in Divinity and A theological degree and knows Dr. Bahnsen, It is apparent that you are use to arguing with a garden variety evidential apologist where as Spang is a taking a presuppositional stand that, to the Atheist, is undefensible in his world view. I suggest you watch that debate the same way I suggest when jumping from a plane that you pull the rip cord. Thank You
You have clearly missed the point Spang has made to you. My father has a PHD in Philosophy along with a Masters in Divinity and A theological degree and knows Dr. Bahnsen, It is apparent that you are use to arguing with a garden variety evidential apologist where as Spang is a taking a presuppositional stand that, to the Atheist, is undefensible in his world view. I suggest you watch that debate the same way I suggest when jumping from a plane that you pull the rip cord. Thank You
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toriwise1:
9 months ago
Spang, He has clearly missed it.... over his head by a mile,
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I know he has..
I Believe I know your father :)
Too funny...
Don't be too harsh on "cere" Most Atheist dont grasp this unless you spend a solid hour with them.. Then the lightbulb goes off and they realize ..
I Believe I know your father :)
Too funny...
Don't be too harsh on "cere" Most Atheist dont grasp this unless you spend a solid hour with them.. Then the lightbulb goes off and they realize ..
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toriwise1:
9 months ago
lol , yes you do know my father and he remembers you!!!,,, read my comments on your answer... omg too funny!!
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cerebrogasm:
9 months ago
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Good Lord! - such condescension and self-aggrandizement - if your heaven is filled with personalities so soaked in pseudo-intellectual snobbery - I'll take the alternative.
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Instinct saved my life and time once
I can't describe it further but yes we are amazing human beings it's funny why we have those instincts ..they are helpful but scary at the same time ..
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