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linkdreams: 9 months ago

"Thou shalt not steal, kill, commit adultery" Why do some people think morals are intrinsic because obviously people do these things?

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shinypate1: 9 months ago via iPhone

The natural man usually comes up with laws remarkably similar to the 10 Commandments. We are challenged to keep them, as it's not easy. But they are the negative side of love. If you love your fellow man, you will not kill him, lie to him, steal from him. The moral point is to love our neighbor as ourselves; do this and the Law is fulfilled.

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thespang: 9 months ago via iPhone

Well said shiny! Green

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jho11381: 9 months ago via iPhone

Same reason people, lie, gossip, backslid, cuss, drink, on and on. There in evil in the world.

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Lacy3000: 9 months ago

Well,we're all born with consciences, and people who do these things just choose to ignore theirs, or act out of sheer desperation. And to avoid this we need God, Jesus.

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Redsoxfan85: 9 months ago

Does it make it right because people do them? If thats your argument then you have no argument.

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linkdreams: 9 months ago

I'm not trying to justify them. I'm asking how can a person think that morals are intrinsic in human nature?

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Redsoxfan85: 9 months ago

Because the people realize what they are doing wrong. If a thief takes something. He knows he is wrong for doing so. Hes taking something that isnt his. If he doesnt care it just means he is of low character. But he still knows hes wrong

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Noveltman: 9 months ago

Well said, RSF. Green.

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Christian123456: 9 months ago

Just because the world says its right it is not right! People are always going to do evil things. But we need to remember what Jesus would want us to do! WWJD!

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thespang: 9 months ago via iPhone | Last edited at 7:22AM on 8/16/2012

To deny absolute morality is to reduce it to a arbitrary convention of man.
Arbitrary is basically saying what is moral to you may be immoral to the next person.
Example: you slap someone in America , they say that's wrong.
You get slapped in a certain tribe in Africa and its respectful!
The best example of arbitrary is certain cannible tribes will kill and eat you , they say "" out of respect for you ancestors""
Do that in America and your a sociopath locked up for life or executed. In a Atheistic world view morality has to be arbitrary.. There can be no absolute , but like Shiny says above, they will borrow from the Christian world view to measure morality by.

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shinypate1: 9 months ago via iPhone

We view morality as a universal. Even atheists come up with a moral code similar to six-seven of the 10 commandments, and dedicate themselves to the systematic breaking of the first 3.

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toriwise1: 9 months ago

lol

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thespang: 9 months ago via iPhone

Lol yep, but I would take it one step further , universal and transcendent.
Funny shiny!

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pious666: 9 months ago | Last edited at 8:02AM on 8/16/2012

Nothing could be more absurd than the claim that the Ten Commandments are the foundation of all moral law. Long before these Commandments were given there were codes of laws in India and Egypt - laws against murder, perjury, stealing, larceny, adultery and fraud. Such laws are as old as human society; as old as the love of life; as old as industry; as the idea of prosperity; as old as human love.

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linkdreams: 9 months ago

Then why do they do them?

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shinypate1: 9 months ago via iPhone

Nobody claims them as first; in fact, the Noahide laws predate Moses by a thousand years. But they are the best known. McDonalds did not invent the hamburger, but they made the Big Mac pretty popular.
If you want to know about the Noahide laws, the wiki is pretty explanatory.

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pious666: 9 months ago

The Gita, Hindu sacred scripture is 3000 years older, at least, than Moses......The problem is McDonalds doesn't claim to have invented the hamburger either!!!!

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caluvox: 9 months ago

very green on both points pious!

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Noveltman: 9 months ago

They seem to have invented obesity....

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thespang: 9 months ago via iPhone

Both are good point using empirical evidences , but the one that presupposes God before man also presuppose his Transcendental nature and the Transcendental nature of absolute morality that precedes man.
For the simple fact that cannot be proven because He is the grounds by which all else is proven, rather , He must be presupposed.

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Truthisobvious: 9 months ago

God is an invention of god and so his laws by man at the time it was written. Prove god not and his laws are but mans.

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Truthisobvious: 9 months ago

God is an invention of man*

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Truthisobvious: 9 months ago

God transcends only the ability to abide by the rules of logic in discourse, also mans laws til proven otherwise.

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caluvox: 9 months ago

Transcendentalism was a philosophy from the mid 19th century that claimed man did not need religion, that man should be independent and self reliant. Transcendentism is at the core of atheism, I don't undrstand why a man of faith would use it as an argument for the existance of god.

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Noveltman: 9 months ago

They enjoy doing that. Like how they use science to try and disprove evolution.

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Noveltman: 9 months ago | Last edited at 9:55AM on 8/16/2012

Through thousands of generations, we humans have learned how best to behave to benefit the whole of society most. Then some schmuck came along and wrote it down in a book saying God GAVE us those same rules we worked so hard to discover. Now they expect the rest of us to abide by these "God-given" rules as if we wouldn't have them without this God-concept. Ok, that's number one.

Number two, God's "rules" are usually referred to as the 10 Commandments. Have you looked at these things? Fully FOUR of them are just about treating God the way He should be treated, there are four secular commandments that we all know without religion and the last two are kind of silly. (Keep in mind that these are the FIRST SET. The second set is almost completely ridiculous...and shouldn't the most RECENT set be the one that counts?)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjhFlI6-ZBI

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shinypate1: 9 months ago via iPhone

So which one is your mode of morality? Do you have a moral
Code?

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Noveltman: 9 months ago

Absolutely. It's the same as yours, only we disagree on the origin. Notice, that even when God says some things are okay, or even recommended, many times YOU know better than God that it's really not okay. You'd never kill your daughter because she was raped. That's insanity. You'd never hold up a hateful sign at a military funeral. Who besides a Phelps would ever do such a thing?

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DriPink314: 9 months ago via Android

Humans are easily influenced by evil. thats the nature that we inherited from our ancestors; Adam and Eve.

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