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Does God exist? Is God REALLY a good guy? why do you believe if you believe? why dont you believe if you dont believe?

is it all fact or fiction? is God truly pure good? ive been researching this for awhile and i just can't wrap my mind around it. maybe im just not smart enough to understand it, but why would a merciful God cast people into Hell for eternity with no escape? Why is it that he has to see the shedding of blood to rid us of our sins?

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How can a god who can put hereditary AIDS in a newborn baby be considered as "good"? Wouldn't you agree that the creation of "evil", by an “omnipotent god”, is an "act of evil" in itself?

Hell, of course, is the mother of all infamy in the name of a "most merciful" god. All the meanness, all the revenge, all the selfishness, all the cruelty, all the hatred, of which the heart of man is capable, grew, blossomed and bore fruit in this one word -- Hell. Unlike the God of the OT, the God of the NT was not happy when his victims lay dead and broken before him. This God, we are told, has found a way to torture even those who have paid "the final penalty" of death. This God has set up his torture chamber where there can be no escape, where death cannot be a welcome release. Everlasting torture, eternal burning; this terrible belief, this evil everlasting injustice, has become the heart and foundation of the Christian religion. The Son of God has not only carried on the family tradition, but has exceeded the wildest expectations of the father. His vengeance is boundless, his cruelty is shoreless, and his malice is increased by the agonies he inflicts. Would the devil have done any worse?

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Thats pretty deep. Thanks for the insight!
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Even if the devil were as bad as they say he is he could not hold a candle to this cruelty only a god could be capable of. Erie and unsettling the god of new testament...
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Oh boy
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lol
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Just a random comment.
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Who wants to have a comment fight with me?
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*takes out popcorn, but then decides to join in on the fight*
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*Takes out a chainsaw and starts reving it up*
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Jesus loves you -- now pipe down piper .--

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Yes there is a god

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God is good and he definitely exists. Just look around you. How else could everything be so wonderfully made? He gives us all a chance to escape hell by accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior and by believing that he was raised from the dead. Anyone who believes in him will not perish but will have eternal life. We all have a choice. We just have to make the right one.

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Well thats what i hear from just about every single person...
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Maybe there's a reason.
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Maybe. But maybe not. How can i be sure?
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Thanks Russianchick.
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How can you be sure? Just look around. Read his Word. Listen to others stories about how he helped them. Talk to him and most of all listen to him.What more proof do you want? Answer me this: If God did not exist how is all this possible? What do you think? I'm just curious.
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Your welcome claire7752 :)
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I think you should read my comment on claire's post russianchick. Anyways i dont know what to believe because there are so many things that prove the bible right and theres so many things that i just dont personally agree with. I dont always just follow rules that i disagree with. If i morally think something is wrong i will question its authority. If America can have freedom of speach why cant God allow freedom of speach as well? Its like i was teaching you multivariable calculus and you had no idea what was going on. Youd probably question it or something too. Not everyone can simply just understand this. Its not that easy. People have good stories. Good for them. Some are really incredible stories. That doesnt mean i should believe in a God just because something cool happens to them and they say God was involved somehow. Why does he decide what i should believe and then give me free will? Idk there really isnt a point arguing about it. I dont think either of us are really going anywhere.
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I understand what you're saying. I don't want to force you to believe anything. I'm just saying what I believe. But I hope you get everything sorted out either way.
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Yup! Thank you btw for sharing! I also want to thank you for commenting even if i was being rude and disagreeing with it and stuff. Its nice to know other people's views. Just didnt wanna keep negative vibes going in the conversation haha
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You're welcome :) I agree; it is nice to know how others view things. :)
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This is just set up for all hell to break loose, you do realize this.

But in my personal opinion, it just seems too unreal to me. There is very little proof and logic behind it. Anyome who thinks I'm wrong, leave constructive critism below.

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Yeah but i cant sleep and this is bothering me
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What do you believe?
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I dont know what to believe. I just kinda live.
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I don't believe, I look at my life ahead of me rather than the life I'll have after when I'm 6ft down under.
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Thats good insight
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Go ahead and live in the here and now. But, we r all appointed to die. What if we find out that how we lived matters? Our thoughts? Actions? Are we accountable for our choices? Do u think there is purpose for our lives?
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Not really. Is there purpose for a child dying at birth's life? How will that be measured? If there was only one way to live, the world would be a boring place with no diversity.
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first he does not cast anyone into hell we do that with free will and reread revelations at the end of the world he will call for all the souls from hell and the sea to be judged then they will be left here and lucifer will be locked in hell for a thousand years

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No one would choose eternal suffering. If anyone goes there it is only for a gods petty and cruel wrath. No single person deserves it for any reason. None at all.
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None of us actually deserve to live in heaven with God.
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So we are too guilty to go to the springs of heaven and too innocent for the pits of hell? Why are there only two options? Why is it so black and white as to where you will go?
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Why can't we just start over once we die? It must get really crowded in heaven and hell and the in between places and such, so why not be reborn?
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Well reincarnation makes the most sense. We can prove people are here and that we don't know where we go when we die and we don't know where we come from when we are born. Reincarnation makes the most sense.
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Debating the moral standings of gods is pointless until you can demonstrate the existence of such a being. Right now it doesn't look like you're even sure such a thing even exists to talk about. How can you ever hope to get these kind of questions truthfully answered if the object of the discussion isn't even real?

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Finally a good answer
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A good answer that only addressed the first three words. :p
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12ootbeer, Why would anyone ask a question that they already have a decided view on for themselves even before asking it?
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I like to hear the opinions of others.
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Some are also open to being proven wrong, Magdalene.
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Rmoran, Many, and many, and many issues I am wide open to being proven wrong. And, oftentimes, I am wrong and make ammends. But, in one respect, you know me very well!!! There's not even a slight crack of an opening to even consider vaguely that God is not, nor is not Exactly Who He Says He Is! Correct in your observation there. It's the just the simple truth, yes, no opening there.
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I don't know what makes that claim do special. Is it the threat of hell? Does it give you a special, irreplaceable feeling? Wouldn't you rather believe what is true rather than just completely shutting the door to the possibility of being wrong? I try to hold as many true beliefs as possible. The only way to do this is always being open to contradicting beliefs and evidence that supports it.
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Rmoran, When something is already proven to me, there is no longer a need. It's as simple as that. If God's existance or anything about Him isn't proven to you, I accept that. I'm not sure why it is so difficult for you to accept that about me, but it is ok. I'm completely satisfied with God and With His Existance in my life and there just is nothing I need more to know about whether or not and so on about His Reality. There just is no question in a person who has previously had that question and it has successfully been answered to complete satisfaction. There is no need for questioning by me. The only thing I have now is growing in His Grace and in His Love. His Presence, is in my heart and in my life and I no longer need that question answered. It already has been answered. I don't need more evidence and I'm not and won't be open to contradicting believes now or ever as they are just that...contradicting. I have met the "I Am" as the Bible portrays Him, and I have seen that HE IS and I am now complete. There is no more. For me, this is settled in my life and in my being and it will always be.
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Absolute certainty of anything isn't an option for me, but are the reasons you have for belief in any way demonstrable? If you have such incontestable proof you have an obligation to share it. (1 Peter 3:15, Matthew 28:19)
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I will repeat myself. God, in scripture, speaking of Himself, refers to Himself as "I Am". So, the Bible describes and introduces who He is and Portrays Him well. If anyone prayerfully searches scripture, they can know Him as He is. If you have not been told that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and has been born of a virgin, suffered and died on the cross, as the ultimate Sacrifice for our sins, rose from the dead and now resides in Heaven, sitting at the right Hand of God, I am now telling you. If we see that we have need of the Saviour, Jesus Christ so we can be reunited to God, forgiven of our sin and we want to repent of our sins, ask God to forgive and cleanse through the Blood of Jesus Christ which will cover our sins, and ask Him to be the Lord of our life, the Lord will see our heart as we pray and He will forgive us and cleanse us and make us His Child. So, I am sharing, as you have mentioned. God is no respector of persons, if you do not know Him and you want to, God will receive you or anyone who calls on the name of Jesus, with a true repentant heart. I have now shared the gospel of Christ with you. If you or anyone becomes a child of God, they are then a new person in Christ Jesus and are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. There is a place being prepared for them in Heaven.

I do realize that you are aware of what you are doing when you use scripture as you do, and I also realize that I chose to share the Gospel of Jesus Christ with you. It is my pleasure to do so, so even in this instance, I did share. Also, I will mention...the hope of my calling is Jesus Christ, Son of The Living God, and Him Alone. I have shared exactly what God would have me share. This is Who He offered a sinful world and Who came to set us free. Suffered, died, rose the 3rd day and gave Himself freely for you, me, and all of mankind. God sent His Own son because He loved us while we were yet sinners. He wanted to restore us back to Himself for Eternity to dwell with Him. He loves us!
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First of all god has never been proven to exist. You are exactly right. Why would a loving merciful god cast his children into a pit of ETERNAL suffering so horrendous we can't imagine it. I would not wish that on my worst enemy. What a petty, cruel and callous god whom would do this. The worst part is what would motivate such a disgusting creature to do this is so petty it makes me sick. Totally dude, you didn't play my little mind game and believe against your better judgement so now you will be tortured forever but I totally love all my children equally. With this twisted grotesque corruption in place of ethics parents would be flaying their children alive for not saying please when asking to pass the salt. If this violent and wicked manifestation of foulness actually existed we would be the most unfortunate creatures to have ever lived. Their has been absolutely nothing but conjecture to believe god exists. Stupefying religious slogans, lies and a book predominantly contradicting itself with myriad other books also claiming to be the one truth. The advocates for god seem as dishonest as they do fearful.

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Faith is the opposite of knowledge. The easiest way to tell the bible lies is to realize that this bogey man's morals are antiethical and completely unjust. This god insisting it is a god of love is exactly the opposite. It is a god of tyranny that demands your obedience. We all know what love is and describing this god you can tell it is no force of love but of hate.
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Interesting. The spectrum of your vocabulary was pretty entertaining. I do agree with some of your points. Good insight nonetheless.
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Ty. I wished to offer my most honest input.
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Excellent truth!
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Wow...and I think I missed you by a few hours. Sigh. I do enjoy debating with you. If only I had gotten on here just as I left school...The garage cleaning could have waited an hour...
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You can still comment metal flowers. I usually return to my comments to defend my position.

Ty j13 :j
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Well god isn't even a fact so if what your discussing isn't even real then your not going to get any real answers. Every religion will forever be biased, unprovable, and held up by people's ignorance and, for some of them, a lack of common sense and logic.

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Good insight
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I'm not sure what I believe. I'm like Switzerland, I'm neutral

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careful, I was this before being on this site and the crusaders tell me I'm an atheist and the devil now. I just wear Lucifer cuz I think its funny anymore.
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Twilight reference! Switzerland! And Truthisobvious, apparently anyone who doesn't have a steadfast religion is going to hell:)
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lol
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He may be good or bad, maybe even both. imo its a matter of perception.

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Yes, God really exists and He is good. I am sure of this.
My belief was weak. But 16 years ago I had some terrible things happen to me and my family. I was extremely depressed. I wanted to die.
But I prayed and prayed, and prayed some more
Then God came into my life in a huge way. There He was, loving me and helping me. It was and is AMAZING.
Now I know Him. And I know He is good.
If you have doubts, but want to find Him, tell Him that. Pray to Him.
Everytime you pray you are showing Him you have faith in Him. He will reward that.
He loves you and He so wants you to love Him. that is his greatest desire.

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Thats interesting. What if i told you i felt the same way you felt 16 years ago? I just got through it without going to God. Although ive grown up in a proud Christian family and have tried this praying. I have seen and met privately with pastors and have bible study with my father every week. My doctor and my psychiatrist are both strong Christians and tried to question my beliefs, but nothing worked. Half my friends are Christian and they tell me pretty much what majority of the people on here said. Thats an interesting story and i feel your pain. I was taken to the emergency room. But i, unfortunately, dont believe that one life experience in a dark time made a difference. In fact i lost faith even more and that was the reason for my suicidal depression. Anyways, sorry to rant. You may or may not read this, but i thought it was interesting that we went through a similar experience and ended up in different mindsets at the end of the tunnel.
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I'm glad you told me that. I would ask you if you want to believe, like if you want to believe you will. But I don't know if that makes any difference.
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PS I too ask, "Why all the terrible suffering?". I don't know.
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I feel like a part of me wants to believe or know the truth thats why i dont just dismiss the whole idea of religion or a relationship with Jesus Christ and i kind of ask questions about it.
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Yes, I understand you.
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"For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one?s life." Animal sacrifices were commanded by God so that the individual could experience forgiveness of sin. The animal served as a substitute-that is, the animal died in place of the sinner, but only temporarily, which is why the sacrifices needed to be offered over and over. Animal sacrifices have stopped with Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was the ultimate sacrificial substitute once for all time (Hebrews 7:27) and is now the only mediator between God and humanity (1 Timothy 2:5). Animal sacrifices foreshadowed Christ's sacrifice on our behalf. The only basis on which an animal sacrifice could provide forgiveness of sins is Christ who would sacrifice Himself for our sins, providing the forgiveness that animal sacrifices could only illustrate and foreshadow.(cont in comments)

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About hell, this is an issue that bothers many people who have an incomplete understanding of three things: the nature of God, the nature of man, and the nature of sin. As fallen, sinful human beings, the nature of God is a difficult concept for us to grasp. We tend to see God as a kind, merciful Being whose love for us overrides and overshadows all His other attributes. Of course God is loving, kind, and merciful, but He is first and foremost a holy and righteous God. So holy is He that He cannot tolerate sin. He is a God whose anger burns against the wicked and disobedient (Isaiah 5:25; Hosea 8:5; Zechariah 10:3). He is not only a loving God-He is love itself! But the Bible also tells us that He hates all manner of sin (Proverbs 6:16-19). And while He is merciful, there are limits to His mercy. "Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near. Let the wicked forsake his way and the evil man his thoughts. Let him turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on him, and to our God, for he will freely pardon" (Isaiah 55:6-7).
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That was a really good answer! Thank you for the insight!
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You're very welcome
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I also appreciate the effort you put into writing this
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Of course God is good. People say that God is evil for sending people to hell. But as Einstein said (just paraphrasing) darkness is in reality the absence of light. evil does not exist. God did not create evil. evil is the result of when man does not have God's love present in his heart.

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Yes all those evil atheists doing donating evilly to charities and evilly building technology and science. Evil indeed.
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Yes! Those brilliantly smart atheists are EVIL!
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If a god is willing to prevent evil,but not able,then he is not omnipotent.If he is able,but not willing,then he must be malevolent.If he is neither able or willing,then why call him a god?

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Not sure. Thats an interesting way of looking at it though!
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These are two things that quite honestly will take a long time to type out. So I'll send you to a couple of places for the first question. Answers in Genesis (www.answersingenesis.org) and The Institute for Creation Research (www.icr.org). Just type "evidence of God" into either one of their search engines and you'll get tons of articles on observable evidence of a divine being (God). The second question: Yes, God is a very good God. He loves us and cares for us, not wishing that anyone should perish, but spend eternity in Heaven with Him. The reason that there is so much death and disease and destruction in the world is because of sin. (See Comments)

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The Bible says in Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil you shall not eat, for the day you eat of it, you shall surely die." God told Adam not to eat of it, or he would die. Genesis 3:6 shows that they ate it anyways "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." And then in Genesis 3:17-19 we see the results of the Fall "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

Pray this helps. God bless. - Zack
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Im really impressed to see how long and well wrote some of these are. Thank you for the insight. I would feel Honored to be in your prayers. However im still skeptical if it will work or not and about his existence and where the good fits in. There are just so many moral disagreements between us over and my eternal afterlife could be on the line. Some people just dont like that kind of responsibility and it really doesnt attract them to God really. I am one of them.
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I will pray for you, and thank you for pointing out that I forgot the good news. You see, God knew that we would sin, so He provided an answer to th sin in our life - and that answer is Jesus Christ. God does not want anyone to die - we brought that on ourselves, both physical and spiritual death. We cannot avoid the physical death, but through Jesus Christ we can avoid the spiritual death. Because of Adams' sin, death came into the world (Romans 5:12). Before Adam sinned, we were all supposed to live in perfect harmony with God in the Garden of Eden, but because God cannot be with sin, our connection that we once had with God was broken, and our hearts shriveled and we all sin (Romans 3:23). The Bible is clear that the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Notice that it says that the "wages of sin is death." Wages are something you earn, we're sinners, and we earned death. But take a look at the next part of the verse "but the gift of God is eternal life." John 3:16 says "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life." God loved you, and He sent Jesus to die for you. All of His suffering was for us, He died the death that we deserved, as a gift for us. Romans 5:15 "But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many." Jesus paid the price of salvation, we're forgiven for our sins, and we can once again live with God in the place that He prepared for us called Heaven. All you have to do to recieve a gift is accept it. All you have to do is accept Jesus' free gift of salvation. This is God's way to overcome the results of Adams sin.

If you have any questions, let me know. Pray this helps. - Zack
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