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Who else thinks it's easier to live life without believing in God?

I mean, you don't need to worry about doing anything wrong. And you also feel like a free bird... Become a rebel!

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Why would you link not believing in god with being a rebel? God doesn't exist but that doesn't make me a rebel or a bad person!! I never hurt anyone (except out of stupidity!!) or do bad things. Being a good person depends on the way you were raised, not on believing in an unproven myth!!

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That was optional. sorry, lol.
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Yeah, I agree

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I think it would be harder without god cause he gives us challenges witch builds character and opportunities.

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I'm a Christian but getting challenges doesn't make life easier, silly.
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It does because if we didn't get challenges in life we would all be jerks and idiots. And don't say silly I'm not in idiot and that's rude I could report u if I was a way more harsh person.
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Not true, I am not a jerk at all nor an idiot. I actually care for people, especially my friends and family.

Silly, in my opinion, is a way more friendlier way than saying something actually rude like: stupid, dumb, dumb*ss, retarded. And I already find you a harsh person as is.. no offense!
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I never said u were a jerk! And silly is still rude and I'm not a harsh person! No offense is still offensive. So stop being rude to me cause I disagree with your opinion
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And your not a jerk cause of gods challenges
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I live without God.. Oh no now i'm a jerk! derp %p.

"So stop being rude to me cause I disagree with your opinion"

According to you, you must also be rude to me, because I disagree with your opinion... I could report you for that if I was a way more harsh person.
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I meant the world cause I believe even If your atheist or whatever god will still love you. I believe your seeing this all wrong I don't mean it like HEY YOUR AN @$$ FOR NOT BELIEVING I mean it like "I believe"
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That's just what I believe. I feel that god loves us all
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I didn't really understand but, yeah I guess that's fine too.
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Ok let's just leave this ok:) no hard feelings. You have a good night:)
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Good night to you too. :) maybe someday we will fight later :)
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Ok sound good:)lol ok bye, have a wonderful day tomorrow8)
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Good grief.. I think he was originally being harsh with me, alphan, bc I called him silly. I used that word bc I'm showing that I'm being friendly about my not agreeing with him. I'm embarrassed of how rude and harsh he was with you, yet, saying he is a Christian. That is not the kind of behavior Jesus would behave in. Shows we all need grace, tho. Take care...
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Yeah, haha! It's ok though, cause I've got you covered. lol.
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It's ok:)
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I wasn't trying to be harsh at all I don't like being called silly because of something that happens to me
In middle school that involves that. And I was actually trying to be nice.fwi I'm a girl
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Maybe it is. Not having to worry about heaven or hell. But in the end, I love God and believe in God. But that's just who I am.

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I don't agree. It's not who you are but how others told you how to be. In a way it's brainwashing.
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I agree with the cat above my head. :p
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Honestly? That's what your going with? Brainwashing? I love atheists, you guys are hilarious. But seriously, you can't go around telling people what to believe. You can't... Ahem... "Brainwash" us.
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Lol. I also like your sense of humor too! :p But seriously. O.o .. we're not telling people what to believe, just telling people what WE believe.
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Mickey, who says someone told us what to believe? No one told me. I figured it out for myself. I think maybe many who call themselves atheists, have been raised in strict religious settings where they never really given the true pic of God. Maybe all about rules and regulations and judgements with no " love" whatsoever. It would make me run, too. These r just my thoughts after reading the many responses from atheists.
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I think it's infinitely easier. My quality of life improved greatly when I stopped worrying about offending some imaginary sky god.

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How? That was a good thing wasn't it?
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Its our nature of wanting to do wrong that makes us worry of being judged one day. But, it's funny that athiests claim they are wonderful, virtueous people. Then, whats the worry anyhow? :)
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Some of the rules of Christianity are frankly pointless. The ban on sex before marriage is an example of something that I'm glad I don't have to worry about.
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I understand what you say and in that area, many people who call themselves christians struggle with sex. I wouldn't even call it struggling. They simply do what they please and don't really care. I know too many like this. But, I think when a person really has a desire to follow Christ, they show Him by how they live their life. Having a strong desire to please God is how a person can stay abstenant before marriage. If that desire isn't strong enough, it won't happen. But, it goes even for married people. It's easy for people to have affairs and many do for whatever reasons they have. I've heard of people who say they want to stop but they can't. But, the fact is, we all have self control and can make a choice and stick with it and all the more when we want to please God. (like a child who wants to please their parent) And we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us. ;) I'll add that I've been married for almost 18 years and my husband and I didn't have sex before marriage. But, it wasn't easy. We chose to not be at eachothers houses alone bc we wanted to remain pure before marriage. But, I don't know many who do this.
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But is living this way beneficial in the end? Like what do you believe happens after your earthly life?
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Nothing. Dead is dead. The heart stops beating, the neurons stop firing, and the body decomposes. There is nothing more.
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Yea then we can do what ever we want,with no rules we can steal,and cheat,bully people,even kill because we don't believe in sin,or a higher power other then ourselves,your right
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We don't need a higher power to know right from wrong. Are you saying the only thing that stops you from killing and stealing is a fear of hell? You must be a pathetic person then. I don't steal because I don't want others to steal from me. I don't kill because I don't want to be killed. I don't need a higher power to scare me into being good.
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That's exactly what Satan want's people to believe...it's your choice.

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Yup.. He is out to deceive everyone.
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I don't believe in Satan either...
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@alpha... You think what you choose to believe or not has any bearing on reality???
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Same on you, bro.
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Except that Satan doesn't exist either.
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@thespang: sorry about that, if I sounded rude on my response.
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Gods and angels do not exist. Satan does not exist anymore than the rest. A being that present no evidence of its existence only exists within the minds of the ones who believe in them.
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How can u be do sure, Justin?
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Satan does exist, and anybody who disagrees with Jesus, is following Satan.
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The only person I disagree with is you. ^^
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Anyone can disagree and choose what they want to believe. But, we are so limited in our mortal bodies of what we can see with our eyes. One day we won't be.
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Yeah it would be a lot easier I think. But then what? What's the point of living without belief. Without moral standards. Without life rules? Imagine that kind of world ? No thanks. I'll put in the effort to believe

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And that is Exactly why there are beliefs, moral standards, and life rules. Lol.
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For my answer, I was answering to: Imagine that kind of world ?
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Why do you see no moral standards or life rules without divine influence? I live a good life and give to my community and lend a helping hand... All without a god. I don't fear the end of life because it will lead somewhere else...I do regret that I will cease to live. =) I like living.
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@JustinHoliday: Right! Can't believe I didn't really realize that before.
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I see more moral standards while believing. There are many good people like yourself in this world. But I do see more problems as religion gets put in the back seat. Not everyone can lead a life like yours without something more to believe
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My beliefs don't make me a good or bad person. My actions does.
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Actually your beliefs have alot more to do with your actions then you imagine
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It was awesome lifting that feeling of paranoia about being judged on everything I thought and did. And it makes the world and the universe seem that much more fascinating when you understand how random it is.

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True... Very, very true.
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Although, when u love God, you don't have to walk in condemnation. Its opposite if walking in judgement.. And to respond specifically to you...We r all born with a conscience that God gives us. So, u r saying that if u dont want to believe there is a God, we can now steal and lie and do what we please without having any kind of guilt or sense of wrong?
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No lolo, I'm not saying that at all. Swedens ranking of nations that are most atheist/agnostic #5, Swedens ranking in lowest amount of violent crime #12. there are over 120 nations btw.
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@lolo: I do, feel guilty or a sense of wrong whenever I do something bad to someone, but not from something.
For example: I would hate to lie, hit, steal, or even hurt anybody.. unless I REALLY don't like them.
But I would go like 5-40 mph over the speed limit (depends on the speed limit), steal from a store (so much fun!), or something like that. Or anything that would get my adrenaline rushing. lol.
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Bad decisions make good stories. Like the one time me, my brother, and my friend literally had a 1hr hide and seek with the cops, it was the most amazing night I have ever had!
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Oh, wow, Allan. I'm sure the things you mentioned give you a sense of rush and adventure. I take it you didn't get caught? I just answered a question today on ask where she stole from a store and was caught. Now has to go to court. Oftentimes, when your young, you think your invisible, but, unfortunately, bad things happen all the time to young people. It could ruin your credibility And good record doing things that r risky for the sake of " having fun." when you have to grow up, get a job and maybe support a family, those things can come back to haunt you. ( when they ruin your record, that is)
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@lololoves: That's true. But I do it anyway because of the adrenaline rush. But now since i'm getting older, i'm noticing myself doing it less and less. And your right, I didn't get caught, but there were SOO many close calls, but it was worth my night. lol.
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YOu can say it was worth it ONLY because you didn't get caught. lol
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What are you trying to say?
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I think what you ask " seems" easier because its living a life without any kind of accountability. But, the truth is that everyone will be accountable in the end, whether they want to be or not. But, despite that, I think it would be harder in many ways to not have God. It's a privilege to have a relationship with the one who created it all. He helps us in need. He helps us to love and forgive others when we need to. Without that, it would be easy to hold in anger and resentment which effects our bodies and our relationships with others. We r truly free when we have Gods love in us.

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That is not how I feel, but if that's how you feel then so be it. I don't want to convert anyone who really feels that way.
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Very green lolo!
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Awww.. Thank you.:)
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2 thumbs up!! (lololoves)
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I don't know if I would say easier... but definitely less stressful. Instead of turning to a god for support, I now tell myself that I can do those things on my own accord. I receive more from my accomplishments when I know that I was the controlling hand, and I know where to place blame when someone does something bad when I know that they had the controlling hand instead of giving false praise to a god and false blame to a demon.

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It's true. It's human nature to do wrong at times. (taking that cookie from the cookie jar) But, if only people would own up to their choices and take responsibility. Stop blaming someone else...
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I've done both. Living without God is less effort compared to living a Christ-like life of love and service to others. It's empty and requires endless distraction to make up for the meaninglessness of such a distinction. That's probably why non-believers on average are more into drugs, alcohol, games, etc.
You equating being a nonbeliever with being a rebel is 180 degrees off. Hang around any school or workplace, the vast majority of people are selfish, uncaring and nonbelievers.
If you really want to be a rebel, and want to stand out from the crowd, try being a loving, giving, Christ following believer.

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Ok, nevermind what I said about the rebel part. And yeah, thanks for responding.
But really, i'm a nice person on average.
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Yeah, thats cool. I tend to be a bit harsh on nonbelievers, from my own dark background. I can tell you though, life following the Savior is much brighter.
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Well said Rainingstar !
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Ok, Thank you, RainingStar.. Out of all the believers, I respect you the most.
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Thanks. I wish more of the believers felt that way! ;-)
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AlphaAlan. I just read your profile. I might have written much of it myself when I was your age, had I been more self aware.
I think I understand where you're coming from. Keep questioning everything, you are on the right track. Never take anyone's word for anything. You'll never be comfortable until you've dissected it yourself.
You may be on a more painful journey then most, but I think it will be a fuller, more rewarding trip then most people experience.
May I ask about your school experience? Just generalities, if you don't want to expose yourself in this forum.
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Yeah.. I think most of us believers relate to u star. Most have come from living as non believers and being like everyone else. When we give our lives to Christ, we r changed from within over time. When someone does us harm, we choose to live and forgive; whereas, the world would choose to hate and retaliate. In the end, it's destruction to our souls. Loving God may not be the easier road but one filled with peace and a hope that no one can take away.
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If you really want to be a rebel you should praise gods on worship day then live like a demon for the other six. Nothing like that seventh day of forgiveness to purify you.
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Lololoves I appreciate your words about forgiveness. I have frequently in this form lost my temper and have been very unchristian in my response to people who have attacked my beliefs. No matter how often I try to repent of it, I seem to lash out at the next instance.
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Justin Sadly there is nothing rebellious about the behavior you're describing. Far too many people who profess to be Christians, worship on Sunday and then live like demons the rest of the week.
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I know what you two r saying about people who say they r a Christian and maybe go to church but don't live the life of one. Star, I understand about being offended about others comments. It's hard not to sometimes. I have found that with sitting behind a screen, it's a bit easier to hold the tongue ( so to say) and think before I write. Iv also had to learn to not take anything too personal. I have tried to put myself in the shoes of the athiest and think about what they write. I think deep down they r prob a someone who has had bad examples of God in their life and they have been hurt by someone who called themselves a Christian. There is always something deep rooted causing people to think the way they do. U may be the only link to show them what a true Godly person is. If.. I get too offended by a lot of comments... I simply put ask.com away for a bit and not dwell on it. Come back later...:) peace to you.
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@RainingStar: For my school experiences: I have always had alot of bad grades, not because I was stupid, but just because I didn't do my homework most of the time. I have very few friends. I usually don't talk much. I'm actually a really smart person, or atleast that's what the teachers says. lol. And I also seem to be awkward around people at times. I don't attend school sports or anything. I basically just mind my own business most of the time. Why you asked?
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Alan.. I read your profile a bit ago. U say you been to hell. I'd love to hear your story.
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@lololoves: HAHAHA! No, that's just one of the album titles for Bring Me The Horizon. lol... and notice I said sike after that. lol.
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Because it confirms the impression I got from reading your profile. Young people of higher than average intellect tend to have one of three experiences in the schools in our society.
I wondered which path you had traveled. It helps in knowing how to phrase things if I have some slight insight into your biases.
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Yeah, I saw that, Alan, in what you wrote. But, under places you have been, you also say Hell, so it made me wonder. There have been people who have died and gone to hell and come back. And, those who have, have drastically changed their beliefs and ways of life after coming back. :)
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Oh..yeah I was just being silly.
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The fool has said in his heart, ""There is no God."" They are corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good. (Psalm 53:1 NKJV)

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I didn't say there wasn't a God, just saying if it might have been easier to somebody. And I do good sometimes, and it feels good too. But I also do bad. js.
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I answered your question. You asked is it easier to not believe God,??...
My answer shows the folly in that assertion...
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Good response. I have a question about the NKJV. Is it just a removal of the archaic 'th's' and such from the language, you know doeth instead of do? Does it go further and actually replace some words as well?
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And your point is? Quoting from that book is a circular argument that doesn't stand up it make sense.
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according to that verse you quoted, there is none who does good. so that means even god or jesus himself did not do good, which contradicts then the entire idea of either one of them being righteous.
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Hey Rainingstar ... It's not the favorite translation of mine... Depending on what verses "some" translations are clearer in certain passages...
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Nigel ... Your sentence is a little garbled at the end...
-- What I quoted us not a "circular argument""
This is circular reasoning below:
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How do you prove that Logic and Reason is the only way to prove factual statements... Now your in the "horns" of a real espistomological dilemma.. If you say ""the statement is proven by logic and reason ""your engaging in circular reasoning and only "begging the question" which is staunchly forbidden. But if you say ""
The statement is proven in some other fashion "" then it reputes the statement itself , that logic and reason is the "" only "" way to prove things.
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Typo... ***what I quoted is not circular reasoning
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@Gob... No ,I'm sorry ,you are not correct....
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There is no god.
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Justin... I'll let God know that's what you think :-)
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I read a true story recently where a man died and as he was headed down a tunnel, he was greeted by 2 angels. The man asked, "r u what I think you are?" the Angels said, " no, we aren't Angels bc u don't believe in angels." ( even tho they knew he knew...Angels have a sense of humor, too...:)
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@lololoves: Haha!.. funny.
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I'm doing it right now and it's great!

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Good for you.
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Just because one does not believe in/worship God, doesn't necessarily mean that it's a "free for all". Most people that I know are not Christian, but they still have their own ethical/moral codes - the key difference is that they are responsible for their own actions, not just doing something because their God told them to.

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I agree. (Ignore the rebel part, that was a mistake on my part)
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Alan...no worries. I think it's human nature of all to be rebels at times. :)
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Especially in your teen years!
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But being a Christian you are suppose to tell your friends about Jesus Christ,in hopes of saving souls,and if you don't tell them about Jesus Christ,then there blood will be on your hands,when you tell them and they decide not to except Jesus Christ as there savior then there will be no blood on your hands come judgement day,If there really your friends,one of the greatest things you can do according to God is bringing people to him.
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@Deb... I'm not Christian either.

I understand that your religion requires that sort of thing, but the honest truth is that most non-Christians aren't in need of saving. I mean we appreciate the thought, but it's just not necessary.

"Hell" originally just meant being absent from God's presence, and to those who don't believe in God (or follow Him) - being absent from His presence isn't really all that big of a deal.
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Not me because God has saved my uncle from a violent motorcycle accident, and my dad from a knife to the throat

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Yeah, always give credit to God right? -_-
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God saves everyone who survives and takes those who don't. Always an explanation.

There is no god.
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@Lonestar: Ever heard of luck?
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Don't know why some are spared and some aren't. But God knows the day of each of our deaths has a reason to spare someone or not. Many people who go...don't want to come back and are upset when they do.
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Alpa Alan it's not luck
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I think life is a lot easier believing in God. With God, you then know (or think you know, however you look at it) that this will all be worth it in heaven. W/o God, it's sort of depressing because life is very pointless. And just because you're an atheist that doesn't mean you should live without morals!

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Whatever suits your needs. (And the rebel part was a mistake, ignore it)
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i think it would be a lot easier. i mean when you believe that theres an imaginary friend there who will listen to you and understand how you feel and who will give you imaginary advice through a book (which it really doesnt, you just find a verse that sounds familiar to your situation), then yeah it should be easier. the thing about being atheist is that you have to rely more on yourself. you have to understand that youre not always going to get help and you do have to become independent. in the end though its a lot better. because you learn not to rely on the imaginary friend and realize what your mind is for and that your mind has been doing it the entire time. i think its a lot easier to believe. i mean just because you dont believe doesnt mean that you have nothing to go by. it doesnt mean that you dont have morals or you dont believe in the difference between right and wrong.

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Good response. Green!
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If you don't believe God exists, then that must mean you believe that a Christian's achievements are their own, not as a result of God. So even if a Christian thinks something great that happened to them was because of God, an atheist would think it was because of that Christian's own doing. So I mean it's not like Christians are relying on God, because you say he does not exist. So how could they be getting any help from something that doesn't exist? It may just be something in their head that helps them out.
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yeah thats kinda the point. it is something in their head that helps them out. its a part of the mind
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What you're saying is that atheists have to rely on themselves. What I'm saying is, so do theists. They're just under the impression that they may have gotten help from God.
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it makes them physically independent. but with atheists its definitely a lot harder
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What's harder? &How?
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Yes, you may be having fun now... but good luck in your afterlife sweety.

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Why thank you :) My future is so bright, I've got to wear shades. *puts on shades*
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Nice shades bro.
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I hope you have a nice future.
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You too, bro.
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Some who reject God live lives of diversion and merriment. Their fleshly pursuits seem to yield a carefree and gratified existence. The Bible says there is a certain measure of delight to be had in sin (Hebrews 11:25). The problem is that it is temporary; life in this world is short (Psalm 90:3-12). Sooner or later, the hedonist, like the prodigal son in the parable, finds that worldly pleasure is unsustainable (Luke 15:13-15). (cont in comments)




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Not everyone who rejects God is an empty pleasure-seeker, however. There are many unsaved people who live disciplined, sober lives-happy and fulfilled lives, even. The Bible presents certain moral principles which will benefit anyone in this world-fidelity, honesty, self-control, etc. But, again, without God man has only this world. Getting smoothly through this life is no guarantee that we are ready for the afterlife. See the parable of the rich farmer in Luke 12:16-21 and Jesus' exchange with the rich (but very moral) young man in Matthew 19:16-23. Without God, man is unfulfilled, even in his mortal life. Man is not at peace with his fellow man because he is not at peace with himself. Man is restless with himself because he has no peace with God. The pursuit of pleasure for pleasure's sake is a sign of inner turmoil. Pleasure seekers throughout history have found over and over that the temporary diversions of life give way to a deeper despair. The nagging feeling that "something is wrong" is hard to shake off. King Solomon gave himself to a pursuit of all this world has to offer, and he recorded his findings in the book of Ecclesiastes.
Solomon discovered that knowledge, in and of itself, is futile (Ecclesiastes 1:12-18). He found that pleasure and wealth are futile (2:1-11), materialism is folly (2:12-23), and riches are fleeting (chapter 6). Solomon concludes that life is God's gift (3:12-13) and the only wise way to live is to fear God: "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil" (12:13-14). Without God, man's destiny is hell. The man without God is spiritually dead; when his physical life is over, he faces eternal separation from God. In Jesus? narrative of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), the rich man lives a pleasurable life of ease without a thought of God, while Lazarus suffers through his life but knows Go
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I like the part where you say a man without god has only this world. That is all I want. It is a great deal of world. =)
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The possibilities for joy and misery after you die are trillions of times greater than in the few years on this earth before you die. The Bible compares this life to a vapor that appears as you breathe on a cold winter morning and then vanishes (James 4:14). The Bible describes the time after death as "ages of ages." Not just one or two ages of thousands of years, but ages of ages; thousands and thousands of ages (Revelation 14:11). It matters infinitely what happens to you after you die.
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I prefer not to take part in Pascal's wager.
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Your view seems skewed. Life is easier with God's forgiveness and God's explanation of everything.

I live a life without gods. I do the right thing because it is right not because a god will be mad at me. A theist has an unrealistic outlook. I see the rightness in my actions and the benefits of what I do on society. A life without gods is no harder or easier, you just come to the realization that you are responsive for the result of your actions.

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Just because you don't believe doesn't mean you shouldn't worry about doing what is right or wrong. I though that atheists had this wonderful moral compass? Are you saying you can do whatever you want?

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"Just because you don't believe doesn't mean you shouldn't worry about doing what is right or wrong."

I agree, I could go to jail if I broke a law.

"I though that atheists had this wonderful moral compass?"

Not every atheists, some are, some aren't.

"Are you saying you can do whatever you want?"

You must have read the rebel part... But No! that was a mistake on my part. sorry about that. lol. Although I do sometimes feel like I can do whatever I want. lol.
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Well that's good to hear. Of course you can be a good person if you don't believe and know right from wrong. It just makes it sad from my point of view as a believer.
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I think we have all been a rebel and gotten away with wrongful actions during some part of our lives. No one is perfect and certainly, no one is born a follower of christ. It's human nature to "take that cookie from the cookie jar" when no one is looking.
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Some people may think so, but you will hate it when you die!

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Why? How? When? Where?
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When you die you will go to heaven or hell! If you're saved and have Jesus in your heart, it's gonna be heaven! If you're not saved, it will be hell!
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What? O.o
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Yes; God is a good parent and He will punish you for not following Him, that punishment is hell! But He will reward those we follow Him, the reward is heaven!!!
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Your God and all other gods are created by man to control man. The masses lay calm in the power of a god's threat of eternal damnation.
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And by follow you mean by following his moral standards and life rules (Like you shall not steal, lie, cheat, kill, etc.)?
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If that's what you want to believe, fine, but I stated what I believe!
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@alpha: I mean by accepting Jesus and by living a life pleasing to Him!
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Sorry but I think Justins answer makes more sense to me. Besides, even if there is a God, I do not believe that He will send me to Hell just for being who I am (rational, logical, reasonable).
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Alan, it sounds like you may be more of a deist. You don't believe in a personal god but believe that there had to be something extra that sparked everything off in the beginning. Then it was gone...

My wife is a deist and from time to time I lean that way when I can't convince myself of an answer for the start of everything. =)
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yeah...that's what it all came down to for me, Justin. :)
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God is the only thing that keeps me going!

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Good for you.
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You're better than that.
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Perhaps it would be easier, but for most people it would bring less joy. But just because you live without God does not mean you are entitled to do whatever you want. There are certain standards that everyone knows are wrong, regardless of religion. First degree murder for example.

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Lets just cap that off with murder. Add stealing, rape, molestation, war, unprovoked violence, hate, incest, irresponsibility, the list goes on and on.

The list goes beyond what the holy book define as wrong and in some cases against what the holy books condone.
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Second degree murder can be unintentional recklessness, thus not a mortal sin in the eyes of God. Recall the safe cities established in the Levitical codes that provided sanctuary to unintentional murders. Stealing is not a universal crime. Augustine debated quite a bit with others regarding who was at fault if a starving man stole a loaf of bread. Some say the owner of the bread sinned, and the thief was right to do so. Rape has not been perceived as a crime when women were considered property. Even recently our congress astonishingly debated what makes a "legitimate rape," suggesting that if a girl gets pregnant, the rape was excusable. Molestation is a loaded word with no set meaning. Obviously most people do not agree that war is wrong. Preemptive strikes are unprovoked violence. Recall we invaded Iraq preemptively because we believed they had nuclear weapons. They didn't. Although I believe this is wrong, many believe it is right. Hate is often justified by those who were offended by the wrongdoing of another. Incest has not only been perceived as neutral in the past, but marrying one's sister or cousin was also perceived as the most pure union from c 2000 BCE to c 1500 CE. Irresponsibility is often perceived as an annoyance, not a sin.

I specifically chose first degree murder because everyone, including the criminally insane, agrees that first degree murder is wrong. Not everyone agrees with the items on your list, though I do, with the possible exception of irresponsibility.
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My life would be a mess without God. And I would have probably killed myself a some point if I didn't understand his love and hope for my life. I think it goes either way though. I guess if you don't believe in God you could have "less to worry about" but honestly I find it easier to always have someone to cast my anxieties, fears, worries, and guilt to.

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I like this honesty. This is exactly what a belief in a god provides people.
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It makes more sense and I don't struggle to understand life anymore. I don't stress endlessly about committing blasphemy as I once did either. As for being a rebel? When tyranny arrives it is essential. That is why Lucifer is the way and the light- not even to a power so great to the common person it is a god does my deity lie down- with no reservation tyranny is opposed and justice is all that matters.

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Hmmm...so you believe the "Father of LIes" who hates your guts is the way the truth and the light? He is out to kill and destroy you. Don't let yourself be deceived. Do you even know what blasphemy is? I don't think it's that easy...but a person who has hardended their hearts so much, to the point of having absolutely no regard for Him...that is blasphemy. You will be going down that path if you give yourself over to the enemy.
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Lucifer asks nothing of me and is the champion of disobedience- whether he hates me or not he deserves my praise. I've given lucy plenty of opportunity to kill and destroy me and in place of betrayal I am offered fortune- I think it is you who may be being deceived. Blasphemy has been exactly my aim. I see a deity worthy of veneration- it's only Abrahamic religionists that see an enemy.
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Lucifer hates God, and man made in God's image.A place of weeping and gnashing of teeth - And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth,
A place of torments - "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom" (Luke 16:23).
A place of Sorrows - "The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;" place of everlasting destruction - "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;



A place where men are tormented with fire and brimstone - "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and A place of weeping and gnashing of teeth - And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30).




A place of outer darkness - "Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthe
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Do you think I have not read the bible deb? I remain unconvinced. Quoting stale scripture has no effect on me but curiosity as to why you think it means anything more than unpleasant poetry to me. These words are quite ugly deb- thx a bunch.
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It is not a question of easiness or hardness. An honest man needs not the help of a comfortable god to live a moral, useful. virtuous and charitable life. A man who's honest only because he is afraid that his every word is recorded, his every action is weighed and his every thought is measured by a cruel master of this serene universe, is neither good, nor honest. Doing right is not a CHOICE but an OBLIGATION for all -- gods or no gods.

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You are very right in this. Although, the world says that when someone does you wrong, to retaliate against them. (thus, having hatred towards them) Jesus says to love your enemy and pray for them. Do you consider that universal? I wish...:) Also, if you see God, the Father, as a cruel master, than I wonder who has mislead you into this way of thinking? Who has been the bad example of God to you? Oftentimes, we see God in the light of how we are treated by those around us. Even when it's so far from the truth. I hope one day you can know that God is love and He loves you very much. ;)
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"love your enemy and pray for them" is not only universal but were existing in the world at least 9000 years before the time Jesus is said to have lived. Krishna, a prominent Hindu god, has said the following in Gita - the Hindu sacred scripture, "If a man strike thee, and in striking drop his staff, pick it up and hand it to him again"? You want bad example of your god? How about the flood story of Noah? Is the command that "save alive nothing that breatheth" cruel enough for you? Is the story that "god held back the sun to lengthen the day so that one group of savages could slaughter another group of savages over a longer period of time" good enough example for calling your god the " cruel master of this serene universe"? I, too, hope that one day you can see the tyranny and fraud that you have been indoctrinated into!
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^ nicely said. The thing I don't get about Christians is how they try to act all moral and good and worship jesus yet for some reason they worship a hypocritical tyrant and completely ignore all the the evil atrocities their god has committed and are admitted to in the bible.
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Because your idea of God as a tyrant is nothing more than your misunderstanding. If I saw God in the same way you do I'd probably have your negative attitude. Fortunately the God I understand have none of the negative attributes you associate with him.
To me your error in your thought process id that since God allows people to use their free will to do evil, therefore God is responsible for the evil. That's simply not the case.
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Apart from the immense flaws in the "free will" argument, please tell me, did god know that "people will use their free will to do evil" before creating them? If I were going to beget a child knowing that the child was going to be a homicidal maniac, I should "rightfully" be responsible for his crimes.

Or, suppose I were to build an evil robot, which I knew would go around torturing and murdering people. Whose fault would it be if I let it loose? Mine or the robot’s? Of course it would be mine, for I created it with that purpose and unleashed it for that purpose. Now I ask you, whose fault is deviltry in the world? Is it the PUPPET "people" or the being that deliberately created people’s evil?
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I do not know how to live without believing in God. And, with the current state of affairs - we all should be hoping for a higher being otherwise mankind will kill each other off. (Mark 13:20) Mankind today lack what is needed at the very core of our society - that which is compassion. Today, so many people are void of any humane feeling for each other. These times that we are living are hard to deal with ....we are able to see with the various "dispositions" and "attitudes" of people that we are dealing with very critical times.
Never had the unemployment and homelessness been so high. Yet people want to believe that there is absolutely no god. How could there not - too many things around us are made with so much exactness It can't be left to chance.

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How is easy to live your life without God,? When you wake up in the morning dont you know someone could just kill or hurt you somehow but since God was right by your side and he love you soooo much he didnt let anything happen to you. So many bad things could happen to you , me and other people through out the day but God loves us so much he keep protecting us. How about you start counting your blessings, God didnt have to do anything for you. The things on this earth will not last for ever, the little things your trying to hold on to will be no good one day. Look at the economy ? Does it look great to right now. haha yeah maybe it look o.k for now wait until gas prices are 20 dollars a gal. I dont understand how people like you could be so ungrateful and not even notices whats right in front of you. So you say you dont believe in him. One of these days your going to wish you never stopped believing.
Ask your self this question. . . Did live get any better when you stopped believing in God or was it harder but better when you believed in God?

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