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Why do so many people have a skewed perception of atheism?

I have had to explain it to so many people.

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TheHarem

For the same reason that atheists have a skewed perception of Christianity.

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No, that doesnt happen much, atheist is a minority, majority skewes minjority.
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@dafner ... no. Individuals had "skewed" perceptions, whether they are in the majority or minority.

And if you include religions without a god ... I believe Atheists are in the majority.
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Actually a pole was run recently which clearly demonstrated that atheist have more knowledge of the bible than Christians do and by no small margin.
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Yea atheist are a majority, espcially counting those who dont admit it because they are scared of doing so.
But when it comes to speaking out, religious people are the ones that defend what they believe.
While athiest (some) just want to live life, enjoy, and not get bothered, but get bashed alot instead.
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Living in America, I don't see much "atheist bashing" ... it's the other way around, seems like. Atheists constantly attacking Christians via law suits.
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Actually walt they attack nativity scenes- not Christians. Christians are not hesitant to stick it to atheists though- they are happy to try to bring us suffering- its the Christian way.
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Walt, atheism isn't a religion.
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Would that be people that claim Christianity and Sunday sitters? ( the people with less bible knowledge? )
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lala - well how do you tell the difference in a poll? Your probably right but that is what is the problem. Why do so many people claim Christianity when they don't know a dam thing about it?
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It is remarkable how few "christians" actually practice the teachings of Christ.
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Actually that poll showed fundamentalist Christians scored the LOWEST in religious knowledge. That research also showed only 10% of American Christians have read the entire bible, while nearly 60% of American atheists have.

@Walt-
Funny, but the research from both the Pew Forum and Gallup shows atheists are the most hated and mistrusted minority in America. People polled said they trusted RAPISTS more than atheists.
In addition, there are still documented examples of discrimination against atheists every day in America. Christians, on the other hand, make up 75% of the population- it's hilarious when the majority, who hold all the positions of power in this country (there is only ONE out atheist in the entire Congress, for example), claim they are being persecuted by the minority.
Those lawsuits you are talking about just involve what happens when Christians push their beliefs into the public sphere (like public schools), using taxpayer money to promote their beliefs. That's unconstitutional.
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Yea, alot of christians but only a few follow their belief.
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ty for clarifying kitten and being thorough
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Dafner...."a few"?
I'm not sure I agree with your calculation. But, as Christians we are not perfect, this is true. We sin daily, and have alot of room for improvement, I am sure.
Now.......what about you?
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I get bullied at school by alot of people. All christians, they bully me for reasons not related to this topic.
What im trying to say is that theyre christians but, not all do or believe what they think they believe.
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I am so sorry. Nobody should bully...... Christian or non-Christian. It is not kind, but unfortunately it happens. I would hope that you would not judge all Christians by the bad behavior of a few. I would speculate that there are a few non Christians guilty of this too. Bullying shouldn't be a Christian or non Christian topic though. It is mean and dehumanizing and no one should treat another human being in such a way. I am very sorry and I hope that they will stop.
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Harem I agree. Did you know in professional apologetics they teach fundamentalist Christians to bully atheists in debate? They make claims like "Hitler, stallin and mau were atheists so your all bad people." They actually TEACH this as a "debate tactic." Its rather unfortunate we are all put in corners by apologists.
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No I did not know this. This is appalling. It's no wonder there is so much unnecessary division. It is truly sad and inexcusable.
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Yea its pretty messed up. If apologists stuck to preachng to the flock and not attacking atheists we might see a greater sense of peace but I just don' think that is going to happen. They take up names like soldier of christ and god warrior and go off on there marry way to try to make me wronger then them. Its not even about anything except. Atheist have to deal with the same stale argument from 1000 different theists refuting the same claims endlessly knowing full well exactly how its going to end. Then people who are not professional apologists hear these arguments and try them on me and don't even understand what they are saying themselves and mumble away talking about love and things and I'm left standing there low brow, shaking my head and rolling my eyes. I fight an army a day and then people not even involved accuse me of being mean because I've been harassed all day about why I don't believe in god. All I can do is laugh about it most days but being atheist at least affords you a strong sense of self- I know just who I am now.
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I know. I understand what you're saying. You make legitimate points.
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Example: You tell me you are Athiest and why you choose this. So, ok..... tell you what. I am going to respect your views and you because that's your decision for whatever reason you choose. Right?
Not so! YOU ARE WRONG! (Example)
This is what you are told, right?
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I understand the persecution you are under because you're belief goes against mainstream religion. That is why it is so frustrating. Actually, more Christians understand your plight than you might realize. But, there is a shortage of tolerance and acceptance by both groups, unfortunately. So, here we are acting like unintelligent fools in a fooling match. Nobody wins though. Sad, huh?
Now I'm depressed......I need a glass if wine. Lol
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Edit: fooling should be dueling match.
Make more sense? Lol
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Yes its frustrating but I also just take it as our lot in history, Competing ideas have always brought arguments.
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I see your point, Truth (et al) ... but I would point out that the majority of "Christians" who attack Atheists, attack anybody who isn't a Christian. Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc, etc, etc. Many of them also attack anyone who isn't a member of their own sect of Christianity.
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Walt this is true- an unfortunate side effect of Christianity for some- they think everyone who is not like them is bad and suddenly they are justified by god to think that way. Its shameful yet I see people come to the defense of these maniacs simply for tribal affiliation and then I'm fighting two people when one of them probably didn't think I was wrong in the first place but for my atheism instead.
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I think it's an "unfortunate side effect" of religious leaders, rather than the religion. At least the religions that follow monotheistic beliefs.

After all, if your religion has multiple gods ... why not accept the possibility of another one?
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Most people claim Christianity because they have been to church or their family is or they were baptized as a baby. I know people who think they are going to go to heaven because they believe in heaven. These are the one I would assume throw around the few verse they have heard from the bible ( or seen at a football game ) and assume that's good enough. It's about a relationship with Christ( I know you've heard this ) and its sad for those who don't know it's a lifestyle and it takes work everyday and don't try to learn more or live it. Sunday Sitter is my term for those that think Sunday is enough and then live another life all week. I would guess these are the people you encounter the most, because they act like they are better than anyone else for no reason. When a true Christian knows they are no better than anyone else. We sin, we're just lucky enough to be saved.
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Yes monotheistic religion is more directly responsible. We could blame the leaders but I don't think its necessarily them. They aren't teaching apologetics to 5th graders. You have to go to university to learn it though I know all the arguments and didn't bother. I guess you could say it was an interest of mine I could even teach it if I wanted.
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It also shows you commented on mine but no comment is there. Weird huh?
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Oops.. That's for Truth.
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lala it was a smile face but it got deleted, I guess for lack of content lol
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I gotcha
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Since birth through 12 years of private school Christian indoctrination - I did not have a skewed version of Christianity - I had even received a scholarship offer to seminary college. By time I graduated high school, I had a better understanding of the theology than the "uber-Christians" that really did not understand Christianity but professed their sanctimonious superiority throughout my college - by then I no longer could accept the supernatural claims of the religion or any religion - without valid evidence. Generalizing will always lead to inaccurate statements. Many atheists I have met have a better understanding and Biblical knowledge than the self-professed Biblical "experts": being able to quote scripture and verse through memorization does not make you an expert.
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Thankyou for your opinion. :)
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Probably because there are more devout Christians in the world!!

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ya I get not knowing what it is but many of them act like they do know and they are completely wrong.
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Because many extremist christians think that anybody that doesnt think like them is the devil/demonic/satanic.

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If your not with God,then you are against him
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I guess, welp i will enjoy hell.
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You can't be "against" something that you don't believe exists. That's like saying I'm against Lord Voldemort.
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Great answer lol
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Hahah yeah
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Dafter......I would probably guess that unfortunately, there are misconceptions on both sides. :)
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You won't enjoy Hell.
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You won't enjoy Niflheim.

See how silly that sounds when you don't believe in a religion's magical punishment?
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I have proven myself in battle my rightful place in Stovakor is assured! Ka'plah!
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Lol
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Teehee.
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Probably because they grow up only knowing about Christianity. because it's the top religion of america & I have to do it with being Agnostic too!

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The reason you cant explain it to someone else is because you yourself have a skewed perception of what atheism actually is, dont point out a splinter in someone else's eye when you have a log in yours. we've had this discussion before.

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Actually I know exactly what it is by definition. You are foolish if you think you can define what I think.
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i dont define what you think, i simply define what atheism actually is, you can keep your skewed perception if you like, it doesnt change reality, but i think we have had this argument too many times, beating your thought process into smithers is getting old, you really are an unchallenging debate opponent.
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And you are foolish for taking an opinion to heart. Didn't you post a question for answers? Be fair Truthisobvious, Don't ask for an opinion when you are simply trying to promote your view.
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Preppy you have absolutely no case at all. You literally can't even break down the word to its roots to understand it. Your education must have come from a church entirely. If you were any more clueless about atheism you'd need a trophy.
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Declaired This is not an opinion he is making its a claim- an unsubstantiated inaccurate claim and an argument from ignorance. Excuse me if I find blasting logical fallacies to be ridiculous.
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Truth has been arguing with me on this topic for over a month on different questions, but it always ends the same, he gets frustrated because i have a position which he cannot defeat,
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May I simply suggest that you don't fuel the fire Preppyboy. Christians were instructed to share the good news of salvation to all people. It is the job of God's Holy Spirit to do the salvation. Relax and shake the proverbial dust.
Remember this as well. "Don't cast your pearls before swine."
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i have never seen truth try to argue to win. And I don't know what you mean by a position he cannot defeat; but it rhymes with obstinate ignorance. I think when you argue to win is when you stop listening. An argument should be about trying to find truth. Everything else is just vain and counter intuitive sophistry.
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Thank you nblacksmith, true and eloquent.
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I argue as a method to find the truth, but i have found the truth of atheism, and when that truth is placed inside the argument, it becomes a position which cannot be defeated, make no mistake, i argue in order to win, but to me, winning means assisting the other person in getting to the level of understanding that i have reached, i have never won an argument with truth, because he gets too flustered with his writing style after a while, and it becomes impossible to understand the point he is attempting to make. thats all i'm going to say, as i said before, this argument with truth has gotten old, it has actually become somewhat boring and predictable, for instance, i knew from square one he was going to take a dig at the church, and that he was going to attempt to take a shot at my understanding level, its a rather lowbrow tactic which always fails, but he tries anyway, it seems somewhat pitiful to me.
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Funny, I've never seen preppy even MAKE an argument- he just makes base claims then sticks his fingers in his ears when people refute them.
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Wow, your as bad as truth is in this regard, the reason i dont listen to you much is because all you do is throw insults without backing up your argument.
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Winning and truth are mutually exclusive terms and while they may occasionally converge, that is mere happenstance. But that is a very common problem we have these days. Most people argue to win. Win at all costs. And truth is invariably sacrificed. I would rather find my information is false, and to learn better than to "win" a false argument. That is how we learn. Learning in truth is better than a false win..
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You don't actually MAKE an argument, preppy. Ever.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief in gods. You seem to think it means all sorts of other ridiculous things.
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And for crying out loud, learn basic grammar and spelling. Perhaps we'd take you more seriously. It's "YOU'RE as bad..."
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Look at the lesson of Socrates. He tried to use truth to defend himself against sophists whose goal was to win. They were arguing to win at all costs. Truth lost, and Socrates was forced to kill himself.
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. If you don't want to understand what is meant when someone says "I am atheist." That is your own business- but acting like you know the secret meaning when the definition has already been decided on is simply silly.
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If you don't like my "debate style" then buzz off or quit making claims you can't back up, take a position in the argument other than ad hominem on truthisobvious and change the definitions. Start the petition now- and if you are as ambitious as you'd like to present your self as then and actually follow through- we will find a different word to represent our position. As it stands you have no argument.
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Preppy thought that athiests worshipped Gaia and the scientific method.
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DeclairedOk
Prep, back up a few, and read my comment. Everyone else, have a nice life!
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hey Declaired- YOU have a nice life :)
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Preppy boy didn't have a stance from the beginning. His argument was "I know what atheism is and you are wrong truthisobvious." Like a child beating on my chest in a fit of frustration.
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I think declaired is saying that Prep's words are pearls of wisdom, and the rest of us are swine. Aint that something?
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Thats really ironic because all he did was attack me- Apparently Christian pearls of wisdom are the same as ad hominem attacks on character or at least my character- I must have really PO'd god if that constitutes pearls now.
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throw your insults if you like, its obvious that none of you will ever understand what you claim to be, and that all your going to do i stomp all over others who try to help you, but oh well, it doesnt really matter to me, i dont bother with those who have refused to crawl out of the quick sand, good day.
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Cya :j
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What do you think atheism is?
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He only has apologetics I think. I'm not sure if he makes claims or if he just tries to bully people into admitting they are wrong. In all probability he "doesn't believe in atheists," wants desperately the burden of proof to be on the atheist and cannot hold an honest discussion with atheist.
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Yea I can tell. I've read many of his absurd answers and comments before but I'm just wondering what exactly his own personal definition of atheism is.
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its a mystery
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The definition of atheism, at its roots, Atheist, break it down into the root, and an atheist is a-theist, a theist is someone who has at least one form of a deity, in reality, there is no such thing as a nonbelief in God, period. everyone believes in something that is higher than themselves, and everyone worships that item, atheism is just another pagan religion that is afraid to admit it is pagan, i cant fix that problem, but its the reality of the situation, for instance, the enviromentalist atheists worship the earth and believe it must be protected, even at the cost of animal, and possibly human life, truth here worships what he will call truth, but is actually his own perverted version which has no backing in reality, most people that call themselves atheists are also quite vain, and worship convenience, as well as themselves, for instance, it isnt convenient to have God exist, because that would mean you have to be held accountable for your sins, so its more convenient, and more self-pleasing, to say God doesnt exist, and continue on with your life of debauchery, this is the reality of atheism. Quite simply, a non-belief in a higher deity, doesnt exist, and any human being who says they dont believe in any god is a fool. All human beings, worship something, it is in our nature.
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Ah, bare assertions.

No, in fact not everyone believes in something "higher than themselves" and "worships that item". You make this claim continually yet fail to back it up.

Atheism by DEFINITION isn't pagan, because pagan religions believe in gods. Atheism by definition is the LACK of belief in gods. It is no more a religion than not playing tennis is a sport.

The rest of your babbling post is just a serious of ad hominem attacks and strawman arguments- claims with no evidence to support them intended to insult anyone who doesn't think like you. *yawn*

Sorry, kid- nonbelief in a higher deity does in fact exist. You simply claiming it doesn't is not an argument. It's just that- a claim. A claim you fail to provide a SHRED of evidence to support. Particularly since 1 in every 6 people in the world does not believe in gods.
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well since i just did state examples, which you apparently cannot disprove, then you cannot state that atheism i a lack of belief in any God, and since you cannot get past the fact that the root word in atheism, is theism, which is the belief in at least one deity, you cannot possibly just not believe in any form of God, it is literally an impossibility, you fall into the category of fool, and refuse to listen to those who try to enlighten you.
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as i said, its obvious none of you will reach the point of real understanding, so have a nice time rotting in your self delusion, good day.
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You didn't give examples- you just said "some atheists are like this..." Where are the examples? You saying people are a certain way is not proof that they are. You jsut claim they are.

And the root word in atheism "theos" (belief in gods) is prefaced by "a", which in Greek means WITHOUT. Of course it is possible not to believe in gods, just as it is possible to not believe in unicorns or fairies.

You still fail to prove how it is "impossible" to not believe in gods. Regardless of your little fantasy, kiddo, we really don't buy your fairy tale claims of magic gods. Get over it.
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This kid told me I worshipped the scientific method.
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And how does one go about worshiping a method? It's not even really a THING.
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Yeah.. Defying logic...
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It's kids like this that make me weep for the future of humanity. Bad enough I see them this ignorant in university, but I think this kid said he's what? All of 14? Ah, teenagers. They think they know absolutely everything about everything.

And it's annoying to those of us who do. ;P
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" in reality, there is no such thing as a nonbelief in God, period. everyone believes in something that is higher than themselves"

Nothing more than a semantic game.

" there is no such thing as a nonbelief in God,"

Look up the definition of atheism and you will see that not even dictionary.com, webster or merriam agree with you.

The rest of your argument falls flat when this premise dies.

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Preppy has a serious case of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. It says that people who are less capable tend to be MORE confident of their abilities, not less.
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Yes I have found that arrogance and knowledge are inversely proportionate.
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DeclairedOk

With respect to all, Because this site is about opinions. Each would like to promote his/her own beliefs, non beliefs or doubts.

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Its also about claims and claims unsupported by evidence are subject to scrutiny.
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You are a peacemaker.. Thats good
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Your opinion.
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Normally if someone gives you a compliment a simple thank you will suffice.
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Actually the atheists hated other religions first...then that make others don't like Atheism.

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Actually atheism was the original position and it was the religious that hated those that wouldn't buy into their religion.
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I did not even ask this I asked why people are so ignorant about what atheism really is- your the one who brought hate into this.
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That how the human are. "They hated the people don't like what they like"
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Again this is not even close to what I asked.
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No they didn't. ANTI-theists hate religion. Atheists simply don't believe in gods- that's all that you can say about any given atheist.
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I would hope that we would not "hate" anyone just because of their differing religious views. We make not agree with them, we may have different religious beliefs and customs.....but certainly hate should not even be considered......I would hope.
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Not even antitheist hate theist- they hate the belief- not the believer.
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Yes, I would hope....really hope that we all have this view. I saw the word "hate" in the answer and I cringed. How can we begin to have an understanding of each other if there is hate? You are right. Christians should know, for example, God doesn't hate the sinner, he hates the sin. Just as you stated. I see alot of mud being thrown back and forth in some of the comments, so I kind of keep to the sidelines where it's safe. Lol
I wish we could have more understanding, tolerance and respect for each other's views........Theists and Atheists both......but then what we debate about on Ask? Chuckle
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Yes, they love to win debates. I could do without them because the truth is my concern. I did see an interesting parallel when I stated this with that.

Antitheist don't not hate the believer, they hate the belief
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God doesn't hate the sinner, he hates the sin

It would be nice if people did not try to tell me what I believe but apparently even that is up for debate.
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Yes, I noticed. I saw that and thought....."Oh, the sh@t's gonna fly now!" Lol
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I'm constantly being told I worship Satan. Really? News to me.
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I know right. They wanna tell us what we believe its just ridiculous. The concept of atheism is, academically speaking, a novice concept. I would have understood it in grade school and we see adults struggle with it as if its the worlds most offensive and outlandish concept they have ever seen. It would be funny if I didn't have to be bombarded with stupid claims and people thinking they know what I believe better than myself.
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Ignorance, selfish, greedy and hatred in this world are making human suffering. Just practice LOVE, COMPASSION and WISDOM will bring happiness to all sentient being.
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Well if you agree with the Buddhists its something like that- I just so happen to be Buddhist :j
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I don't know much about Buddhism, but regarding the Four noble truths of Buddhism, I think they got that right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths
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There is no accounting for the stubbornly willful ignorant.

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best answer so far
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well and that guy with the most hits
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thank you!
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Atheism doesn't exist. It's mans cob out just to get people to leave them alone. I guarantee you put an so called atheist in harms way the first person they'll cry out to is God. The bible tells us God has written His laws in the hearts of every man, woman, and child.

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Why would I cry out to an imaginary tyrannical monster that endorses slavery to save me?
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That's real nice Declaired. You tell everyone who doesn't agree with you to kill them selves? This is why Christianity is intolerable.

In any case it wont change any thing- the god of bible is a god of injustice, tyranny and if anything can be evil its that god. I really would want nothing to do with it in this life or the next.
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Oh you would. You can't fool anyone. It may be in your mind but I already know what would happen No matter what people claim deep deep inside of man they know God is real. I've encounter to many that made that claim but then when their faced with death it's a whole new ball game.
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Im atheist and i say the same to you declairedok lol.
Problem is that we cant come back to live to discuss what really happens.
So no one really knows, and all of us just have opinions.
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You said that i didn't. Now all of a sudden your talking there is a God. Works everytime.
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Funny, I never called out to any gods when I almost died in a car accident a few years ago.

That's like calling out to Santa Claus. I know this is hard for you to believe, but we really just don't believe in your god or any other.
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You actually think you know me? You have no idea who you are talking to. I'm not trying to fool anyone.

No no your right I'm trying to cheat to get into hell drat you found me out!

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Yeah right I can see it now obviously it happened to fast you didn't have time. But wow guess what. It just may happen again . But this time it might be someone pointing a gun at you And your right I don't believe you. .
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No, actually it didn't. It was quite horrible- took a while for an emergency vehicle to reach me. Yet I'm not going to call out to imaginary creatures to save me. I simply thought "this sucks", and thought of my family.

And anyone trying to point a gun at me is going to meet the business end of my Ruger.

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James playing word games wont change anything- I didn't claim there was a god- I did about the same thing as saying Voldemort is evil- a fictional character does not sway reality and word games wont change my mind.
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lol good luck:.
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I'm a crack shot, I hardly need it.

Nor do I need fairy tales of magic afterlife to accept life and death the way they ARE.
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same as kitten
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This is the false argument that "there are no atheists in foxholes". In other words - when facing likely death - even the atheist suddenly, magically, becomes an advocate of the supernatural. In truth, this is what theists tell themselves about atheists - whom they thoroughly love to hate - more than racists and pedophiles - how could such a minority of unbelievers so threaten the super-majority of the faithful so profoundly that they react with such vehemence?One of the reasons is that the ultra-pious are full of doubt themselves and find this inner conflict intolerable - transferring their angst (in many cases blaming) to the atheists quells the inner conflict between reason and irrational evidence-less beliefs. Another reason is that among the legions (for we are legion) of theists, many are not at all - but use their professed piety to advance personal bigotry and hateful feelings to humans they are typically threatened by on some level - using religion as a cover - since until recently - religion has enjoyed the taboo against criticism of its claims.
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I was censored again - my reply was in no way a violation of Ask guidelines. If you are an devout theist moderator - prove your convictions by not using your power of censorship when challenged - you should be able to handle any challenge if you are truly sincere in your convictions. A skeptic should not threaten you to employ censorship power - contrary views are what advances debate - not censorship.
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I've been censored on stuff that couldn't possibly be construed as insulting or against guidelines. I'm not sure how the censoring process even works, considering how innocuous those comments have been.
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Yeah... I have been blocked by many fundamentalists....
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I've felt the cold hard sting of being moderated on comments no business being moderated as well.
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btw great response cerebro
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Maybe because most people are closed minded. For most religions if you don't follow completely by the words they claim then you aren't a true believer.

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Well that is certainly an interesting answer but which bible says "thou shalt always misconstrue the meaning of atheism." I mean where do they get these ideas.
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Each religion has its own interpretation of the bible. I would not be considered a true catholic since I don't follow blindly. I question certain things and don't believe certain things. I still believe in GOD. I still believe each person is allowed to believe in what they choose. I guess the only thing that should matter to you is what you believe, right.
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It sounds like your a free thinker somewhat- probably for the best when traversing the bible.
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I would guess its simply that most Christians just don't know any atheists, and don't know them as a person first.

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That is a fair answer. What confuses me is how they get all these wrong ideas about us.
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Because you don't know yourself. Atheism is a thrown together religion without cause or leadership.
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I would think that if an atheist doesn't believe what a Christian does they would assume you don't believe in things that are good or joyful. ( just because Jesus brings joy ). The one thing I have found wrong with Christianity ( and I have been guilt of this from time to time ), is that we find people we are comfortable with and believe the same things we do. This is actually true of everyone, it's just that a Christian has been called to spread love and joy
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We're all guilty of lumping people into groups with no cause.
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lala its true that you and I probably believe a lot of the same things. It is sad that so many Christians can't understand how very undifferent we really are.
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Truth......I still love ya....even though you are an Atheist. Big smile :)
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LaLa....I so agree with you. :)
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@Truth, there is a saying that is supposed to promote tolerance of people with disabilities that would fit here:"We are more alike than different." It's true in this case if we just stop and think about it.
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Atheism is not having a belief in God.
From me personally as a believer in God :
I feel that the Bible says a person that hears about God and willfully rejects Him : will be separated from God and enter hell.
I want everyone in Heaven because hell is a horrible place.
Believe it or not : I just want the best for you. I really do.

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I get where you are coming from- I don't want you or your god to save me but it looks pretty good on your wits that you at least understand what I'm saying- the same can't be said for some of these clowns.
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Wow finally a very devout christian that is able to sum up atheism in a short sentence. Nice job.
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Betty, sweet answer!
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Betty: you're close. Atheists are so hated by theists they often just resort to proclaiming there is no God - your " willful rejection", but that is not the case in actuality. Atheists do not congregate in buildings and preach that there is no God. They do not make that assertion. Atheism lacks the content that assertions - like - there is a God - provides. Atheists look at evidence, behaviors, rational and critical reasoning, and historicity (non theological history), and are simply not convinced there is a God. They realize that a belief in God is an unfalsifiable premise - they simply declare that they are not convinced. Other people are convinced - in many different ways - most atheists could care less - until the religious proselytizing begins - eroding politics, education, and scientific research. They also are sick and tired of the oh-so-pious condemning them, hating them, and defining them - the last person qualified to define atheism is a theist.
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You can't "willfully reject" something you don't believe exists.
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In America it is largely because the media and their churches promote incorrect ideas about atheism.

Really, it's the simplest thing in the world:
A Theos. Atheist. Without Gods. One who lacks a belief in gods.
Theos. Theist. With Gods. One who believes in one or more gods.

Duh.

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I'm attempting to live & let live
But its sure hard
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What does that have to do with what atheism is?
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kitten you are so right! There has got to be a source for these bad ideas. I may have to start visiting some churches to let the leaders know the truth about atheism.
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Truth: my take is that religiosity rises and falls commensurate in rises and falls of fear - such as loss of security. 9/11 drove many to the inescapable conclusion that bad ideas involving a supernatural afterlife and the benefits of martyrdom and jihad - have lethal consequences. America was no longer "safe" - we had terror alert status meters - but were never told who set the levels or how it was calculated in any detail - we just trusted the intelligence networks were setting right levels - until we started seeing correlations with political elections. Fear will suspend rational thought - and fear is always used by the powerful to wage profitable wars and other attacks on the citizen - principally by media manipulation and dumbing down education. Less educated people are always more fearful - and therefore - controllable by the elite. This is exactly the prescription of the elite who empower political candidates with enormous funding to destroy any threats to their power. We have the illusion of a free government - but too many of our elected leaders are owned by the elite and will legislate to serve their financial masters. The elite also know how to use religiosity to control the electorate - it goes something like this (and has happened throughout history in other nations as well): "keep them dumb and fearful and we can own this nation and live lives of splendor while proletariat argues themselves silly over religious issues - which serves to keep their attention off of us. Let them eat cake."
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Truth: my take is that religiosity rises and falls commensurate in rises and falls of fear - such as loss of security. 9/11 drove many to the inescapable conclusion that bad ideas involving a supernatural afterlife and the benefits of martyrdom and jihad - have lethal consequences. America was no longer "safe" - we had terror alert status meters - but were never told who set the levels or how it was calculated in any detail - we just trusted the intelligence networks were setting right levels - until we started seeing correlations with political elections. Fear will suspend rational thought - and fear is always used by the powerful to wage profitable wars and other attacks on the citizen - principally by media manipulation and dumbing down education. Less educated people are always more fearful - and therefore - controllable by the elite. This is exactly the prescription of the elite who empower political candidates with enormous funding to destroy any threats to their power. We have the illusion of a free government - but too many of our elected leaders are owned by the elite and will legislate to serve their financial masters. The elite also know how to use religiosity to control the electorate - it goes something like this (and has happened throughout history in other nations as well): "keep them dumb and fearful and we can own this nation and live lives of splendor while proletariat argues themselves silly over religious issues - which serves to keep their attention off of us. Let them eat cake."
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Atheism and atheists are two different things, as we know. I in no way believe in atheism. And, my purpose in saying that is not to offend, but, rather to differenciate between a person and a belief, or non-belief as they sometimes call it. There are so many precious qualities in people. They belief what they believe, yes. But, I have seen that on both sides of the fence, atheist and christian, compassion for the human is so oftentimes not evident. It is easy to see, for example, that many atheists on Ask are very concerned for young people. I, personally, am on the very opposite side of the fence when that concern is expressed from a point of view that God is not real, or worse yet, how horrible He is in the view of some people. But, these same people, who call themselves atheists, I do believe are many times as concerned for young people, as the strong hearted christian. And, I would just like to let them know, that it does show that they care. Many sound so angry, yes, and it is hard for me to even read some of the things stated at times. But, people in every area of life have feelings and if we can do our best to remember the value of the person even if we totally (below)

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disagree with that same person's viewpoint. We will never agree...meaning christian view and atheistic view. That is just inevitble. But, in no way does that mean that an atheist doesn't care or doesn't worry etc. for others. I do sense intense anger and frustration in their statements many times. And, sometimes christians can be very impolite also. We hurt to hear God slandered. It actually hurts. And, in no way do I never feel frustrated or impatient myself when I read something like that. But, I just wanted to take time in this question to let the atheistss who will and do that this pertains to them....it shows that you do have compassion in you for people, that you do care for the young person, and that you do exhibit honor to the idea or role of a parent oftentimes, even if you disagree with what you may have been taught or how you were raised. I don't have all the answers personally, and we firmly disagree in our viewpoint of God and the reality of Him and those things but, just wanted to let you know that good traits in you as people do show. Please know that. It is very unfair for someone to have to live with the frustration of it being any other way. Being oppressed would tend to make someone feel angry. I would think that to be a natural reaction. I know the Lord, and because He is so dear to me, it's true, I would love for you to know Him. Please don't be offended. What that is saying is, as a human, I'm like you, I do want what I believe the best for a fellow human. But, it is because I do care and you mean something to me. And, from the other side of it, I see that you feel the same at times for others, in my opinion. Sometimes the compassion shows and when reading, I feel that an atheist gets frustrated because they may feel, "these people...it will just never sink through". "They've got to be the dumbest people on earth." If that is anywhere near how you may feel at times, I know I stepped Waaay Out on a limb to write this....but if it is even near correct, please know that my purpose in posting
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this is to let you know that your humanity does show. It hurts me to think that you may never or rarely get to realize that your good human qualities do show. If you read all this, whether christian, or atheist, thank you. I hope no atheists feels that no one cares or sees them of no or little value because they do not confess to believe in God or the assurance of His existance. And, please know that I'm also remembering that some of you had said, it also means just need proof of the existance of God, and not totally that there is definitely not God, but need proof. Christians, atheists, everyone is valuable!
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Patches this was touching and very big of you- don't think I don't notice this from the other side. This is a beautiful work you wrote I wish they would write into the bible. It demonstrates exemplary character.
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Patches.....beautiful answer. Sometimes I really think that we, as humans, have too much of a tendency to label each other.
Where religion is concerned we're either categorized as Theist or non-theist, or more often as Christian or Atheist. That's where the breakdown in understanding, compassion and tolerance of each other begins. We need to look at each other as fellow human beings, not adversaries just because we have different religious views. Why does ones religious view have to define their entire being? It doesn't and shouldn't. But the sad truth is that many people judge others strictly on their religious views, without even knowing what's really in the heart of that person.
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Big STAR! :)
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Bravo, Patches. Thanks.
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I don't know what to say. Except thank you for your comments, I'm just so glad we got to express the good things we feel for each other. And, Truth, you are one of the very people that I see with that care and concern that was mentioned. for others. Your care does show.
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I felt that patches and it means a lot to me thank you. I do care greatly for our youth. I want them all to have a fair chance at happiness and am excited to know others care for that too.
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I'd give ya a hug about now Truth, if I could and you didn't mind. But I can't, so I'll just send one by comment. :)
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*hug* :j
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Thank you Truth!
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Beautiful sentiment.
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Thank you Skeptikitten, It was from the heart and I do believe it to be that way. Thank you for your comment.
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Thanks patches you summed up what I feel
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Although I still don't agree with you on several points.
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Thanks zoologicalrevival.
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Because Fundamentalists hate people who are different than them and have a low understanding of anything that isn't of their opinion.

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seems pretty close to the truth but I'm leaning towards intentional misinformation as the cause- though I'm not certain we are not talking about the same thing.
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Please remember not all people in a group are the same. :-)
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Just saying, I've been called the antichrist many times by fundamentalists.
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Then I don't want to be called a fundamentalist, because that is just wrong. I am a Christian and I wouldn't change my beliefs, but as I've said in other places--there are people, both Christian and Atheist, that open their mouths and hurtful words pour out. So, I would ask the Christians to remember two different scriptures. First, Matthew 8:22-23 (KJV): "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." Second, the whole chapter of I Corinthians 13 speaks of charity or love, but here's verse 2 (KJV): "And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing." It sounds like to me that without charity, all works and debates are worthless. That it's my humble opinion. :-)
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I meant to say, "That is my humble opinion." It's not as effective if you don't catch auto correct mistakes!
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I think many people have a skewed perception of atheism for the same reason many people have a skewed perception of christianity. While there are highly intelligent, dedicated people in each group, there are also well-meaning, misinformed people spouting hurtful remarks meant only to attack and not help. I'm a Christian and while I don't agree with atheism, I would rather have a civil, if not friendly, debate than snarl and insult each other. I think I would have a better chance of convincing you and I would process your beliefs better in that situation.

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Well without civility we have no basis for any communication and a good basis for hate so I would agree.
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Thanks. I'm afraid there is a lot of hate interfering with potentially good communication.
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Its true. If people could get past differences and accept eachother we have a nice thing going even if you think I'm completely ludicrous because then we are only battling ideas and ideas are harmless when you don't take them any further than discussion.
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I like the way you stated that about battling ideas and ideas are harmless. That just summed it up nicely. I have to say, Truth, that if I found myself in a debate with an atheist, I hope he or she would have an attitude like yours.
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Thank you just_saying. Atheist often share my attitude but not all of them. We are in a privileged position in america where extremism is looked down upon. We are safe to discuss ideas here without threat of physical reprisal. If I were to talk the way I do in Saudi Arabia they would have lopped my head off a long time ago. That is what happens when bad ideas go from the drawing board into action and the reason I fight for a secular and constitutionally regulated society. We have seen all theistic religions perform awfully as societal standards and it is in our interest to make sure we preserve our way of life by not letting religions gain too much power. Witch trials are not a far reach and are still going on in africa thanks to the bible and in Islamic countries we see sharia law give justification for numerous atrocities. If we want to continue to be able to mention these things and even the justification for them we have to let our democratic secular society reign. Every one should have the freedom to practice there own religion of lack there of- not just a select few. Atheist are in a special position because religions are looking at them like a girlfriend who just dumped them and not because they got a new boyfriend- just because they did not like them. This puts religions in a stance of hatred because rejection makes everyone mad. The Atheist has vested interest in letting ideas be heard as do we all. What we need is tolerance for beliefs. The unfortunate reality is that religions, by nature, are not tolerant and the members that are, perhaps like your self, are not common. I see the greatest tolerance in the atheist community and that was one thing that interested me. I found it ironic how so many preaching "the love of god" could be so hateful. If you treat most atheist like you have me I don't think you will find much aggression. An overwhelming majority of us are basically peaceful and want a fair exchange of ideas instead of slimy debates and are generally nice people. We just don't like being backed
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into a corner and handed a pamphlet that makes erroneous or outlandish claims about reality.
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Magic word: tolerance. If I could bottle it and sell it, I'd be rich, sooo rich. :)
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Just_saying.....I agree with your great answer. :)
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If I could I'd put tolerance in the water n make em eat it. I'd say fork the money the real wealth is in a tolerant society.
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@TheHarem, thanks! @Truth, again great comment. What I don't get is why people from all religions don't realize that if we don't practice tolerance, it will harm everyone. If we want a society where we will not tolerate atheism, it will not be long until the society will not tolerate choice of religion. I don't want anyone telling me which religion I will practice, so why would I tell someone they cannot practice atheism? You're right, it's great to live in America. Like you, in some countries I would be killed for my beliefs. Thanks for the comment about how I've treated you...but, you've always treated me with respect, why wouldn't I treat you the same way? Unfortunately a lot of people can't see past beliefs, races, sexual preference, or gender and they miss out on a lot of good dialogue. Hey, I know! You can get a shirt that says, "I'm not contagious! Atheism is a choice, not a disease!" :-)
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Okay, the shirt idea was silly, but you can't edit at this point!
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The shirt idea is fine but its sad that is the sentiment I'd need to convey. Its a little inaccurate because I actually don't choose what I believe. If atheism is only a practice that demonstraits a rejection of god claims then yes it is a choice but to me it has nothing to do with demonstration, it is only rejection.
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Okay I guess I was thinking that a person chooses their belief and then follows through with practicing and embracing the belief. Just to clarify, do you feel like you have no choice in the matter, you're just born an atheist? Do you feel like you couldn't change? I'm may not be wording that like you mean it, but I'm just trying to understand.
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Well of course I have no choice but to believe what I do. I could pretend to be these other religious roles but the facts are I am atheist and there is no choice in the matter. I even gave Christianity a chance but after being exposed to rational thought, logic and reason for long enough I realized I was lying to myself and that I was atheist. It became irrational for me to continue the charade. If I had a choice to believe I would always choose to believe only what is true and I have seen no demonstration to compel me to believe theist claims. I really don't know why anyone would choose to believe anything but the truth if you understand that delusion only stands to make us all suffer.
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If you tire of my questions, please let me know. Where I'm unclear is: Do you feel you have no choice because of who you are/how you were born or do you feel you have no choice because there is only one truth? The difference as far as I can see (with little thought obviously since I just read this) is that with the first scenario you were predetermined to be an atheist. It was your destiny. The second scenario you considered your options and chose what you feel is the only truth. Perhaps I am oversimplifying, I'm trying to reason this through.
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Your questions are fine I was just complaining about people not understanding and telling me what I believe.

Well I don't believe in destiny, that being said I think if anyone were in my shoes they would be atheist. To me it appears the truth is obvious. This is where many theist get lost usually because they don't have a firm grasp on what atheism is. The truth is that the sun is in space and you will seldom find anyone who does not believe otherwise- this is the obvious truth and it is what atheist believe. When you can demonstrate something is real atheist understand it is real. We don't make claims that "god does not exist but more if god does exist it is clearly not as obvious as the sun. Your question was well composed and I see a genuine interest in understanding which makes for an honest, civil and productive conversation- I thank you for that. So in summation I am atheist because I understand what is obvious is real. I have no vested interest in my understanding of the truth as it is- only that it be accurate. For me to go and tell people of gods grace would be a lie because I truly know nothing of it nor a god. I don't think its exactly that there is "one truth" but that truth is self evident and need no advocacy aka is obvious. When people make claims about god and have nothing to point to for a reference but the bible it appears to me a child misunderstanding the nature of reality, the difference between fiction and fact and a fundamental disconnect between what a book, claiming is the ultimate authority, says and what is actually true about the universe. The metaargument I am constantly faced with is that persuasive arguments constitute the components of truth- I know they do not but no matter the persistence of my insistence, the accuracy of my counterclaim the certifiable truth of what I say I am ultimately faced with people who will not concede on this point and remain delusional about the nature of claims and reality. But that is what this is really about- a sales pitch for gum drop land
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a sales pitch for gum drop land with hidden sinister clauses and whether or not people will lie to them selves in order to make believe a more comfortable world into existence. The part that the enlightened theologian, preaching full well know what they say is not the truth, is missing is that they do not know for whom they are attempting to make a more comfortable lifestyle for. For with slavery comes suffering and a world with suffering is not gum drop land- its just a different version of hell.

Please ignore the parts you were not curious about.
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No, there's nothing I want to ignore. I am fascinated with learning and I confess I have little knowledge in this area. I appreciate you taking time to explain it where I can understand. It made sense this time! When you said the reality of God is not as obvious as the reality of the sun, that really helped. So, I guess the main problem in debating christianity vs. atheism is that christianity is based on faith and atheism is based on reality. I would think that Christians expect Atheists to approach the discussion with faith and Atheists expect Christians to base the discussion on reality. It would be frustrating to not be able to convince the opponent to base the discussion on belief or reality, whichever one uses. I could see things escalating as one tries to use reality and the other tries to use faith. If both people are well established, they will not want to switch from using reality or faith. How does one have a rational discussion on this topic? I refuse to believe it is impossible, but how can it be done when the very foundation or premises of each belief is so very diverse? The only way I can see (at this moment) is to agree at the beginning of the discussion that each will approach it differently. If we get past faith vs. reality, then discussions can occur. (My mind is going faster than I can keep up with it!) But, isn't that the major point of disagreement? The fact that one group says reality is vital to be able to believe and the other group says no you must lean on faith? Okay, Truth, is this making sense?
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Well it makes perfect sense. The reason by which theological debates are so hurky jerky is because neither party can agree on premises and by which method truth can be determined. The theist demands that evidence not be present in order to know a truth and atheist demand that evidence is the medium by which truth is determined. When approaching any discussion if understanding is not established before hand the discussion cannot yield productive results. We see an argument about reality before the discussion even begins but with no basis of argumentation the discussion over whether or not standard logic is applicable becomes nebulous itself and ultimately void in turn voiding discussion afterwards. Some realities are agreed upon- though I'm not to certain how. When logic, rationality and the bible all line up I suppose is when agreements happen. The conversation falls flat when atheist demand evidence theist deem irrelevant, demand a logical claim that does not agree with bible, a theist demand atheist adhere to biblical claim that does not adhere to logic or theist demand biblical justification for logical claim that does not adhere to bible. Its a fundamental disconnect that is not easily reconciled but at best seemingly tolerated by each party. It is frustrating but I do understand it. Theist thinks bible is absolute truth and atheist thinks truth is determined through practical, consistent and rational methods. Naturally they are not cohesive methods by which truth is disseminated but an interesting anomaly of human perception to say the least.
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First, thank you for not criticizing my ignorance in using Christian rather than theist. I noticed you kept using it, so I did a quick search. I didn't mean to exclude other religions that believe in a deity, I just didn't realize I was. So, thank you for showing me through your conversation. Second, wow! I'm having a hard time choosing the words to explain how I feel right now. This conversation has been intriguing, but also...okay, any word I use here will sound sexual and I don't mean it that way. It has been exciting and intellectually satisfying. Thank you for the tremendous amount of time you devoted to explaining. I feel like I have at least a basic understanding now. I look forward to talking to you more when the opportunity arises.
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Well I would no want to disinclude all parties that claim a god exists- you are welcome. After all atheism is a discussion about a god or gods existing- not just the Christian god. Haha I was satisfied as well, you raised some questions not often raised by theists and demonstrate a deeper level of tolerance than most. I was happy to devote time to a person actually interested instead of just interested in offering apologetics.
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So, Truth, I came back to read this conversation again so I could process it some more and it hit me! At first, I thought your name meant truth is obvious - It's obvious when something is the truth. After revisiting this I wonder if instead you mean - For something to be an established truth, it has to be obvious with no doubts. Maybe I'm reading too much into your name. I also wanted to say I appreciate the way you made me feel comfortable enough to ask questions.
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Well I prefer a dialogue where people are not afraid to ask questions. This world is confusing enough without people acting like asking questions is taboo- its my pleasure. You are reading into my name exactly as it was intended. Its is little more than putting words to the concept I described up there about the sun not needing advocacy for us all to know it is there. We need not debate that fire burns, the sun is there and that we are here- all things that are true. Atheist have no quarrel with agreeing to the premise that the obvious things are here- it would be dangerous to our health if we believed otherwise. Atheist are skeptical by nature and skeptics are just less than interested in investing in ideas not certifiably true. How we feel is like this, lets say we are in a casino. A man comes up and is real chummy bumpin elbows and has this priceless tip. He says "put all you money on red and I guarantee you will double your money." Skeptic says "ya but what if I lose?" Chummy guy: "I'll reimburse you I promise." At this point skeptic is real skeptical. So he asks him "where is the money you will reimburse me with?" Chummy guy: "its at my hotel but your not going to lose, trust me, I know these games and its going to be red this time."

This is what the theological proposition looks like to atheist.

To get back to my name- what is obvious is: that I have something of great worth, There is a game I can play to make it worth more, it will cost me dearly if I lose the game, someone is telling me I can't lose and that the Casino has something to gain if I lose. That is all that is obvious and obviously true. The theist asks us to trust this chummy man- something a skeptic can never do.
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Makes sense. Sometimes I am surprised at myself. I am not very trusting and am often skeptical, yet I truly believe in God. I don't believe just anything someone preaches to me under the umbrella of religion, but I do believe in God and heaven. Btw, I often wish I had made my user name more profound, but I guess "just saying" sums up how I feel. I'm just giving my opinion, not to offend, just to start dialogue and learn about others. I doubt anyone will feel a jolt and think, "Oh, my stars! That's what she meant!" Not profound at all! :-)
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Its not a bad name though- and trust me I'm so picky about my handles I must have sat there for 40 minutes trying to think of the perfect handle for my message haha Well You know what it is to be skeptical. like about other religions and gods. Atheist just feel the same way about 1 more god than you. Atheist cannot trust others on the nature of god- its simply not possible for us and most remain skeptical about all ideas, myself included. I do know what believing a god and hell and heaven exist feels like though. I was not always so skeptical.
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I think that is why you present yourself in a confident manner when talking to others. You appear to have knowledge of both sides of the discussion. Perhaps that is why you rarely, if ever, give the appearance of getting frustrated or losing control. (Or in your comments I've read, anyway!)
I know myself and I can feel questions starting to form-but I won't put you through that two nights in a row! Night, Truth.
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Thank you for noticing my demeanor. I do have knowledge of both sides, its helpful for all parties to be well informed. I don't lose control a lot (if ever) in comments and questions but that doesn't mean I don't get flustered sometimes. It really bothers me when people are mean to each other for no good reason. Feel free to ask questions when ever you like, its important that we all come to understanding and if I can facilitate that I am happy to. Honestly its a load off feeling like any theist, yourself in this case, will even consider that atheist are real. Some people strait out deny that I think the way I do like they can't fathom it. I can't fathom the derangement it takes to think like that though so I'm guilty too I guess haha
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I know, I like to think that I am tolerant, but when someone acts straight up stupid, it's hard to be patient with them. I can't wrap my mind around how someone can deny another person's feelings, thoughts, or beliefs. I saw a similar situation at a reading workshop earlier this month. I teach special education and I have my masters degree in reading. There are, of course, many theories on teaching children to read. The keynote speaker for the day is an author, speaker, and highly educated individual. Yet, he rudely and emphatically stated that others were wrong and he instructed us to do bodily damage (He gave details) to the publishers of certain reading materials. I think he was teasing, at least I hope he was. Later, I had a breakout session with another author, speaker, and highly educated individual. She presented her position and discussed it. When someone asked what she thought about the earlier speaker, she said, "He and I would disagree." I am more likely to listen to her because of her calm, nonabrasive attitude. Yet, he had many points that I agree with and already practice. That is how I feel about this issue. I agree with many of the theist comments, yet I am more likely to listen to someone like you that presents your position in a logical, informed manner. As we have said before, it allows an exchange of ideas that would not be possible if the conversation is confrontational.
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I agree. Rationality and eloquence make for fair and productive dialogues. I find it unfortunate more theist don't take your stance on this. I had a discussion with someone on this sight about the word "evil" as he used it freely. I told him its not the connotation of the word I dislike its the fact that it can mean anything from serial mass murder to homosexual love making to a "witch"- a halloween costume and obscure nature religion. The word does not have a definition consistent with its connotation so I don't like using it purely for the challenges and disclarity it presents in discourse. Yes that kind of attitude can win you supporters no matter your position. If I approached people like "You don't actually believe there is a god," whether what I said after this was "no one can be that stupid" or "I know you better than you know yourself" I'm not going to make any friends and yet I never see this claim made by atheist- probably because most of us know what it feels like to believe. With discussion setting aside assertions about the other person I think any group of people can get along- its hard to establish this as certifiable though when, as we discussed earlier, a method of how discourse is layed out can not even be established often. So we see attacks and I hear they come from both sides, undoubtedly due to frustration and undoubtedly as unhelpful as it can get.
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There is no hell. Relax.

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of course but why don't people understand that others can believe this?
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I think if they agree to disagree, it's a compromise. Their minds are on a one way street.
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Hey...hey....hey you two. Be nice. Chuckle :)
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Atheism is in fact a Religion. You have a skewed perception of what the word Religion means. Let me enlighten you: a Religion is a group of people adhering to a specific set of beliefs and or practices. To simply believe that there is no God is not to be Religious, likewise, to believe that there is a God is not to be Religious. To take that belief and place it upon the eyes of multiple individuals, to adhere to rules, then in fact creates a Religious body.

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Except atheists don't adhere to a specific set of beliefs and practices. The only thing any two atheists have in common is that they don't believe in gods. There are no common beliefs or practices.
Calling atheism a religion is like calling NOT playing tennis a sport.

So since no two atheists have any beliefs or practices in common, according to your own definition it is not a religion. It is just the opposite of theism- belief in one of more gods. Theism itself, the belief in gods, is not a religion either.

I don't know why this concept is so HARD for some people.
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Atheists are simply a mixed up bunch of screwballs, Look up the word religion. It means to be bound. So atheism is just another religion. No dancing around it.
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DeclairedOk: you are right atheists they are a religion but they just are to afraid to admitted.
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TheHarem
Declaired.......you began your answer to this question with "with respect to all......."
So, why do you turn around and resort to nasty name calling ("mixed up screwballs") ? Just asking.
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TheHarem:
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No, atheism is not an organized group. Atheism is a lack thereof of religion.
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TheHarem: you also have a right to your opinion, but i spoke the truth i believe it is for a good cause, so please try not to judge me...
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Pontes....I gave you a star for your answer. My comment was not directed towards you. I don't understand where you're coming from with your comment. Please explain?
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Pontes....maybe you could read my comment again...more carefully. :)
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Tell me something Ponte; are you studying Bible babble to become a minister of sorts for the tax write offs. You sound like these guys on Sunday morning TV with the Bible in one hand and counting $ in the other...and crying into the TV. Oh yeah and the free sacred chicken doused with Holy Water. All sounds the same....right out of a can.
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Kitten explained this to you already- here goes.

re·li·gion? ?[ri-lij-uhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
2.
a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.
3.
the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.
4.
the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.
5.
the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

Care to explain how rejecting claims there is a god fills that criteria? That is from dictionary.com.

Want me to break it down point by point? because I could use the practice telling apologists off.
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TheHarem
Truth......Yikes, I hope I never meet you in a dark alley...........
Humm, but then again.........chuckle
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lmao harem you aren't pushy and I'm soft on girls who aren't pushy ;)
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Pontes- you have yet to show how atheists have any beliefs or practices to make it a religion.

Again, calling atheism a religion is like calling not collecting stamps a hobby. If you know the definitions of the words atheism and theism it's obvious neither are religions.
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Truth.....promise? Lol
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I don't make promises harem but I'm a man of my word ;)
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Harem. Judge not! Thank you.
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Declaired coming from the person calling an entire minority mixed up screw balls
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They live in their own little bubbles of religion, never questioning or looking for other perspectives. Atheists have a unique perspective, because we ussually start out religious and study other religions as we evolve towards atheism, so we tend to be more historically and religiously educated.

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Its true and it shows often.
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Actually studies comparing religious belief and IQ show that atheist score 5.89 IQ points higher than Dogmatic persuasions- so its not just religion and history we excel at in comparison. There is no mistake- it is evolution.
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I think people see Atheists for what they are; people who don't have ties to any religion (or am I misunderstanding it?). If anything, it's the Muslims & Christians who are misunderstood. Everyone seems to think that all Muslims are terrorists, & everyone seems to think that going to Church on a weekly basis makes you a Christian.

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