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If the military believes in no man left behind then why wouldn't the American people feel the same way about the less fortunate?

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Most do feel that way. However some of the "less fortunate" chose that lifestyle. You can't help those who don't want to be helped. And some people all they want is "help". There is a certain percentage of the population that just wants everything handed to them. They feel why should they work if they get housing and food for free. I don't minding helping those that need and want it. I however am not thrilled with handing out money money to those that abuse the system or don't want help.

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Excellent answer. I couldn't agree more.
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No one chooses to be less fortunate.
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No they just choose to sit around and not get a job or help themselves and wait for the government to hand them things in life.
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No one chooses to be less fortunate but there are some who do what they can to help themselves and others who don't do a thing to help themselves. There's a big difference.
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"No they just choose to sit around and not get a job or help themselves and wait for the government to hand them things in life." - But the government doesn't have its own money. So in effect they are demanding that working families trying to support themselves work a little harder to support them too.
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Some chose to live on the streets. If you don't believe me actually go out and talk to them. Some also feel that the government should hand them everything without working for it. I know they are not an overwhelming percentage but they are there. There are lots of programs for those that are less fortunate. There is food stamps, and HUD for housing. Many churches have food banks and soup kitchens. Many also run shelters. There is help if people ask for it.
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Get government out of the equation and charities can do a much better job at helping those who really want and need help.
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There's another side to the issue as well. The current welfare system traps people in it and actually prevents them from bettering their situation. Years ago my brother had to go out on disability. He hated staying home doing nothing. So after a couple of years he decided to find a different job. He took a minimum wage entry level job. They were going to cut him off from all assistance. He would have been in the position of having to choose whether to pay his rent, buy groceries, or buy his prescription medicine because there was no way he could afford to do all three at minimum wage. So he did the only thing he could: he quit and went back on assistance. There is something fundamentally about the all-or-nothing mentality of assistance. Wouldn't it make more sense to allow a guy to work and pay him a reduced amount of assistance so he can still get by? Doesn't that seem like a better solution than to keep him unemployed and not contributing at all? It infuriates me that the government runs things this way.
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*something fundamentally wrong*
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bigred - I agree. Charities would actually work to solve the problem. The government has an incentive to perpetuate the problem which is exactly what they are doing.
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I am with you FatKenny. There should be a progressive system. My brother-in-law is mentally and phyiscally challenged, They system hasd doone nothing but makes sure he stays needy. We wanted him to work part-time to learn to appreciate all he really had. If he took a job (and I am talking maybe 15 hrs a week at minimum wage) it would have disallowed him just about all his benefits. So now he is middle-aged and in worse medical shape because all he does is sit around and watch videos or play video games. He is essentially costing the tax payers more and more each year. smh.
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gatorblu - The sickening thing is that this is what the system is designed to do. Most people think the welfare system is ineffective. In truth it's highly effective. It just isn't meant to do what most people think it is.
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@gator- I will talk to them this weekend as my 5 y/o son and I pass out brown bags of food to various individuals who are homeless.
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You will find many do not want help. They don't feel comfortable in a traditional setting. For those the best you can do is offer food. (or a blanket.) If you have the money you can also make up baggies of dog food. There are some who keep stray dogs as pets that can use a hand as well.

For those that do want help do some research before you go and and find the organizations in your area that can offer them some and pass on the info.
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@gator- well let's focus on those that want help.
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@flight agreed
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Before the govt. created this very bad all or nothing system that made people totally dependent on them, not in a good way, the churches always took care of people, and very effectively!
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ALTERNATIVE to having less fortunate people would be: Have everybody equally fortunate.
How does that system work?
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I have a bad feeling we are going to find out!
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Well think about. Is everyone in america enlisted in the military?

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What do you think?
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The bulk of American society does not have the same values or core principles as the military. They truly are a different breed.

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I take it you weren't in the military.

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You take it right! My involvement in the military has nothing to do with the question.
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there is a bond and a brotherhood in combat and even training.You just won't find that in the average public,people are all for themselves.
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Its the truth! However we live in a free economy. When the wealthy get richer those who have a desire to do better and work hard get richer as well. So in reality you want the rich to get richer, it means the economy is doing well.
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because some people are snobs that care about themselves only

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Those people are very few. Most people in this country give they just don't advertise it.
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Agreed, but the little bit are quite enough
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Really?
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America has done many things bad and its in every country america honestly no offense is kinda like bully's plus with the government we have as they say the rich stay rich the poor stays poor and I have asked this and people have told me its meant for them and if i help it would put me down almost everything to the greedy people think about themselves so im not surprised with all this rudeness that some people dont wanna help and believe me its probably not changing any time soon

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I wouldn't say bullies...more like the world's police.
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exactly
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leeniateuk, we usually don't go in somewhere without being asked by someone to do so. We try our best to help others make thier own choices.
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This question came to mind this morning as I was behind this lady dressed in hospital scrubs appearing to be heading to work. She asked the store teller for $3.70 worth of gas. When she left to pump the gas I gave the store teller $20.00 to add to her $3.70. As I walked to my vehicle she was heading back in the store quietly stating she told the teller what amount to stop on. As l began to pull off she waved and put her hands together as if she were praying repeatedly saying thank you. I felt that as being a simple act of kindness but she appeared to have thought that to be so much more. So why would some millionaire republican oppose a simple tax increase to help someone who needs just a little help?
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i understand that but maybe my point doesnt come to you as i mean it
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So when you grow up move to a country of your choice.
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um.........................
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The poor don't always stay poor. My husband and I grew up poor. We have both worked hard and got our education and are living comfortably. We help support his parents and have helped other family members when they needed it. We donate to the charities we believe in. Everyone has the opportunity to lift themselves out if the are willing to work hard and make the sacrifices. Many of the wealthy in this country give lots of moeny to charities. They just do not advertise it. I hate those drives where you give money and they put you name on picture of a shoe. You should give without having to see your name up somewhere. It is the act of giving that should be the reward not the recognition for it. It always surprises people when I give the money and tell them to keep their shoe. How much more would go to the charity if they didn't have to print those up?
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@Flight that would be fine if the "simple" tax increase was going to people who need it, but it is not!! It isn't even going to pay off the debt that your chid or my chid has! That is what is so insane!! The money will just be pissed away!! Economists say it is only enough to fund the govt. for 8 days, then what?
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@ flight .. Good on you.. You are a mench.
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To strike motivation into those who are too lazy to get a job and make something of themselves and actually be a citizen in society. Let those who have worked hard in life be rewarded for what they EARN instead of being handed all these things without doing anything to deserve them like get a job, and call themselves "less fortunate".

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Here, here!!!
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There are 23 million unemployed people in America looking for jobs. All 23 million aren't lazy but just need a little help.
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So why don't we take care of American unemployed, before allowing foreigners in to take those jobs?

There are 12 million illegal aliens taking jobs in this country.
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@walt- why don't we?
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We try, current adminstrations are against it.
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ndp7 is correct.

Nobody believes 12 million illegals are working the fields in "jobs Americans won't do."

And guess what? If you are faced with the choice of working the fields or starving ... well, if you choose to starve, nobody should feel sorry for you.

There are VERY FEW Americans who can't work at something. Certainly nowhere near the number that are entirely dependent on government stealing from people at gunpoint, to support.
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@walt- ndp is right in your opinion. Illegals have been successful at obtaining employment because they will work for much less without all the fringe benefits requirements that Americans demand.
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He IS correct.

Recent administrations ... both Republican and Democrat ... have been against enforcing immigration law. Not because we need the workers - but because they want the votes. Forget that it is illegal for those people to vote - they'll just ignore that law, as well.
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what the military or anyone claims to believe and what they really practice are many times totally different

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The question is a red herring.

There is no valid comparision between choosing not to leave a fellow soldier to fend for themselves against enemy forces ... and choosing to acknowledge the FACT that not everybody will be successful, and to pretend otherwise only results in punishing those who are.

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Agreed.
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Here, here!!! Aint that the truth and now they get free frackin health care and we have to pay for it. Thank you Obama
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Well, eliminate the military example! It was just an example!

Why leave any American behind period when it only takes a little from everyone to help everyone.

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Because it doesn't work.
There are plenty of historic examples where it was tried, and failed.

Simply put ... human nature is greedy and lazy.
If you give people something they don't have to earn - they will not work.
If nobody works - there isn't anything to give to anybody, and society collapses.

So to make everybody "entitled" (health care, food stamps, etc) ... you have to enslave enough people to work and pay for those benefits.

Are you in favor of slavery?
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@walt- what is your documented historic research that shows helping one another doesn't work?
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"If you give people something they don't have to earn - they will not work.
If nobody works - there isn't anything to give to anybody, and society collapses.

So to make everybody "entitled" (health care, food stamps, etc) ... you have to enslave enough people to work and pay for those benefits."
How doesn't that make sense to you flight? I couldn't explain it any better Walt.
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Look I have no problem helping people that need help but I would like that to be my choice, that way I really know the person needs help. There are so many people playing the system its just crazy. I mean I would love to help someone but I dont want to help them get worse. I think everyone on this discussion feels that way, but we work hard and when you drive through a city and see able bodied men doing NOTHING all the time and sitting on their cars and watching flatscreen TVs you just dont believe in the system. I love helping people I give thousands of dollars to non-profit, but only ones that I believ work. Does that make any sense?
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@flight ... government forcing people to "help one another" doesn't work.
The more a government attempts to do so - the worse the country gets.
The largest example in recent history is the USSR.

If you're talking about voluntary charity, that is only slightly different.
But then, it ONLY works if the person is willing to help themself.
If the person is unwilling to work to better their own life - there is nothing anyone can do to help them. In fact, by continuing to support such people - you are making them dependent on your whims, which is worse than letting them suffer the consequences of failure.
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@Walt Very true!
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@walt- eliminate the one's who don't want to work. What about the hard working families who're unemployed from a layoff who have exhausted all of their resources. Are they worth helping. Stay positive. Stop searching for the worst in every situation.
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Not at gunpoint ... which is what is really happening when the government takes money from taxpayers. Slavery and Indentured Servitude is supposedly illegal except as punishment for a crime. So tell me, what crime have taxpayers committed that allows them to be subjected to Indentured Servitude to those "charity cases"? Since that "charity" is the majority of the federal budget, which takes 1/3 of our earnings.

btw - "exhausted all of their resources" = cutting out all luxuries (most don't) ... if home mortgaged, shutting off all utilities and giving home to bank ... moving in with friends/relatives ... and taking ANY job offered (most don't).
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It's difficult to help the deserving people by taking our money to the roof top in a box and throwing it into the wind hoping the right people receive it.
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Very true
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I second everything Gatorblue said I am all for helping people that need help but charity should be at the discretion of the person who is giving. I dont want some lazy, worthless bum on the street to get my money that I work very hard for. So the reason the poor get poorer is not that rich people do not want them to do well its because in America we force people to pay taxes that are then spent on housing the lazy and moochers, feeding them, getting them their designer hats and shoes and what not. Oh by the way those people are breeding and having children out of wedlock that are growing up fatherless, faster than the responsible citizens are so if you are not going to compete reproductively you cannot complain when their vote for people who give them our money is stronger than our votes for those who do not.

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Once you give it's not your concern for what a person does with the donation. You've done your part by just giving.
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A valid point...BUT, the government forces me to pay that extra tax so its not giving it is a matter of government so I do have a right to say where it goes. I would rather have them mandate that I have to give x amount of dollars to charities of my choice rather than give it to some useless person that is feeding off the system. Then I would have no choice on what they do with the money because I truly chose to give it to that charity.
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Apparently, you have no idea of the genesis of the saying that you quoted. The meaning is that, in BATTLE, no man should be left behind if at all possible. This pertains to KIA and wounded. I take it that by "left behind" you are upset that someone has a bigger TV or a newer cell phone. The constitution says you are entitled to life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness. In order to pursue that what you perceive as happiness, you have to work and work hard. A lot of people expect everything to be handed to them because someone else, who earned the money to acquire this item, has it. That's the entitlement mentality that will eventually destroy this once great country. I grew up in "The Projects" subsidized housing. I have worked since I was 8 years old. NOTHING was ever given to me and I never expected the government to provide my self esteem.If you are physically able, you should work one, two, even 3 jobs to get what you want. I did.Are you more "entitled than I?

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Man that is what I am talking about, I wish I knew you we would have many great discussions! Finally someone who came from nothing and decided not to mooch, quite a story two thumbs up!!!
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Actually, the military example was just an example! For you to take it out of context shows that you my friend are short of comprehending! I myself am from a middle class family. My mother a teacher and father a real estate agent. I'm an Engineer who just happen to be the Vice President of my company. So your tv example was very shallow. I can name material gadgets you've probably never dreamed of. The point of my question was to say that if it takes so little to help a lot of people then what's the problem? That's what makes America great!
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Just the part about your job. off topic, and nobody cares.
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@TM- You care! That's why you responded. If you read the post from David, that mentions tv's and cell phones and other off topic items, my post clearly shows I'm not less fortunate but speaking for the individuals who are.
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Yeah that was a valid point you just have to look for ti
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@flight475 - Well you shpuldent feel bad for them, its there fault there in that position.
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Because most of the time its the "less fortunates" fault there in that position. if you were born, and raised in America, you should have went to school. you have no excuse. And if you don't have enough to go to collage you can get financial aid, or a scholarship.

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It's not 23 million Americans fault that they were layed off!
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Where is your research that says it's most of the less fortunate's fault that they are in their current positions?

School isn't for everyone. You just prove that. It's "college" not "collage".
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Alright, it was obama fault. sorry.
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ohhhh no! sorry i spelled college wrong. And because Its not for everyone that means they can sit on there butt all day.
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It's laid off not layed off .
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You're right. That happens when you text and drive.
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@celebrity- that response was for you.
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Flight , I couldn't resist since you just got Walter on "collage" . I will probably be next. We all get screwed up especially on the comment portion.
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Most do. They just don't want a third party (government) deciding who gets what. They always fail at making the kind of decisions that actually help people.
The military work for all the help and admiration they deserve. It's like you help me - I will back you. They don't just sit around waiting for the other guy to do all the fighting. they work together and save each other together.

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Just because a person is currently in a undesirable position in their life doesn't mean they aren't fighting to do better.
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Who said they weren't fighting to have a better life? Sounds like you have some kind of chip on your shoulder.
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No chip here my friend. It's you and your Romney supporters who have the chip about helping the less fortunate.
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They can work harder and get a job. they shouldent sit at home on there butt.
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Oh I see Hes a socialist......I mean a Democrat.....wait aren't they one in the same?
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Kspite, yes closer to same thing than is comfortable for me.
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They already do . Have you every seen how people react in a time of crisis?

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What are you talking about?
Where are to even responding to this question?
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@flight745 - They do help them example: Hurricane sandy, do you see all the donations??
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Flight, after major snow, ice , wind and other weather destructiveness I have seen everyone help others out. People who you hardly know step up to help with whatever you need .
On a regular basis during the year our church aids a community not even near our church with food for everyone there and gifts at Christmas time.
You are generous as you have made clear to us but don't be so self righteous to think the rest of us stand around starring at the less fortunate.
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