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Would it be fair for rich people to pay a higher price for products or services than poor people all because they can afford to do so?

Explain why then we have different tax rates for different incomes.

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Thats not fair at all. people that are rich worked for there money and people that are poor didn't work as hard or failed. you cant make a person pay more for a product because they have more money then other people.

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I read your response and, in part, this is what I heard. If you are poor, you are either lazy or a failure. Is that really what you meant to say?
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Yet we demand the rich and middle class pay more for the government we all receive.
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Jama, I would say its more about choices we make throughout life. Even for some with health issues (not all).
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No that is not what i meant.. i meant that rich people worked hard, there is no question and poor people maybe they did work had and tried but that's only some poor people others layed it out for themselves and then the rich people are going to have to suffer because of them? that does not make any scents!
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You are exactly right tocute!!!
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how would a billionaire suffer if you made him pay the same tsx rate your father pays
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thats mrfreakenawesome(i love your name!) and not "suffer" but have to make up for poor poeple when they worked for their money!
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I have been around a while now and have learned this; we're all the same. Some people are rich because of who there parents are/were, being born with a particular skill or talent, they won a lottery or were in the right place at the right time other worked their petuties off there whole life. People that are poor are that way because of who their parents are/were, they valued other things above money, there skill or ability wasn't valued in our society (think about a pro football player compared to a symphony cello player) or they were just lazy. In the end a lot comes down to luck. You can look at just about anyone and make just a minor change somewhere in their life and you end up with an entirely different end point (butterfly effect)
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well yeahyou are right but that is how life is and know matter what rich people shouldn't have to deal with giving money to poor people unless they want.. dont get me wrong i am all for giving money but it shouldn't be that you HAVE to..
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To cute you are a wise girl.
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:) thank you! your a wise guy!
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I'm a am older and wiser woman but thanks anyways.
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Working hard for your money is an upper middle class ordeal. Beyond that, tends to fall under a stroke of luck or the process of taking advantage of the little people. Look at Walmarts cycle of wealth. Pay people poorly in order to sell things cheap, poorly paid people resort to buying at Walmart because they're so poor and it's so cheap. I might be biased, because I've never been inside of a Wal-Mart. But from all the things I hear, this makes a perfect business model.
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IM SORRY! just by your picture and you name it sounds like a guy! im really really sorry! i didnt mean it offensively!
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Jamadi, you are right. Tocuteforyou, you are very naive. Are you aware that your username is also misspelled? Not all rich people have worked for their money; many have inherited it. Being poor has nothing to do with not working hard (and "failure" is highly subjective). In fact, I have observed that the lower the wages, the harder you have to work for it, at least as far as physical work is concerned. Both high and low paying jobs can have a high mental/stress factor. Also, if you considered for one minute the cost of living and how many poor people can't even make that much while rich people make many times that, you would easily see why having different tax rates for different incomes is perfectly fair. As far as charity is concerned, no, the rich shouldn't HAVE to give to the poor, but they should WANT to. That is called good morals.
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first of all i am aware that my username is misspelled the other way was taken but thanks! and yes you are right that sometimes money runs in the family and they dont have to do anything but that is just luck.. and same goes for poor people some of them did work really hard but they had bad luck and didnt succeeded that is not their fault but in other cases they just didnt work hard enough or they didn't try. now i understand why you feel that rich people should have to pay more but i dont completely agree because life isn't fair, and that is society. as much as i feel bad for poor people they have to manage.. because that is their life. i also want to say that by the way you are talking you seem much older then me and i just want to say that i respect my elders and i don't want to come of as rude or disrespectful.
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That's not how life works, that's how capitalism works.
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You are right, I am very likely older than you, and I appreciate you showing respect to my comment and considering it in a thoughtful way instead of simply taking offense and lashing out at my response. So, while your original statement did indeed come off as naive, you have compensated by showing some maturity, which is a good sign. No, life isn't fair, and you do have to play the cards you've been dealt, but isn't it nice when those who have the advantages you lack give you a hand up (not necessarily a handout)? Benevolence to the poor has been shown over the course of centuries, millennia, even, to be a good and moral practice, and in time that will become even clearer to you. :)
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okay. so maybe it could be a good thing, you did show me some advantages so now im in between because i still believe that the people who have money shouldn't have to give it because other people weren't successful but also that rich people should because it will work to everyone's advantages.
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the people that drew the constitution,would agree,what do you not see about fair taxes for people who ars obscenly rich? i pay a higher tax percentage than Donald trump. i pay more for roads schools,emergency services than bill gates,he uses these services as well as i do,it cuts into my income,anx again,itz almost free for them....draw me a picture where this is hurting them and they don't deserve to have to pay their way
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am i not sucessful enough not to pay taxes,the rich are getting hand outs,not just the poor
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Where did you get those figures from? that doesnt even make any sense. Were you to pay 100% and either of them to pay 5% theyd still provide more money. You can either work hard and be smart and do something with your life and make money, as exemplified by the rich, or you can do the opposite and make up the lower class. I'm a poor factory worker who doesnt make much money? well youve gotta start somewhere. Rise through the ranks and become a factory owner then. Work hard and try and you will succeed. Bill gates, steve jobs, marilyn monroe, they did it. Why arent they?
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Bill gates did, Steve jobs stole from his friends though.
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You think Bill Gates was the good guy before he was Bill Gates the billionaire? He wasn't.
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Doesn't change the fact that he worked for what he had, while Steve Jobs stole from his friends to get to where he was.
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And Bill Gates didn't steal? Hahahahaha.
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Class envy. It's very unbecoming.
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Give me one example where Bill Gates stole. Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Steve Wozniak started a company, and Steve Jobs up and left, taking a lot of Bill's and Steve's ideas, only to go and make his own company, apple. He hired Steve later on and paid him low wages for virtually designing the newer apple products.
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Its still working. And it worked
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It's not working, it's stealing.
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I highly doubt it's "Stealing" because then he would habe been caught. It's playing a smart business game. Obvously the others didnt mind as they gladly accepted the job. Steve's innovations propelled the company forward. Seriously, who wouldn't want a job where you get to invent new products and imagine all day?
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No, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs started the company as equals. Steve left and took BILL'S ideas, and tried to sell them as his own. He made apple by using the ideas that Bill came up with.
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You're a little confused. Everybody knows PC's bit off Apple
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Do you mean Windows? You know, the company that Bill Gates and Steve jobs started together?
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Microsoft, I meant Microsoft.
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Sigh, sure. I was quoting something. But alright. Before Jobs, the whole thing was rather drab. But when people go seperate ways you take what you can and run with it. Gates practically stole the entire design at one point. There was a lawsuit over it
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What were you quoting?
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A youtube video one of my younger friends watches where two sides are equally represented in a battle where the said two rap insults at each other. Somewhat amusing
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Oh, Epic rap battles of history. The one with Steve Jobs and Bill gates.
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That may be the one . I wouldn't know
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what about middle class that work hard for the rich,we can't all be rich,we pay mofe taxes than the rich,we aint all rich or poor,the vast majority of us are middle class,its taxing the rich that the argument is all about,they got rich,ofc.others work and they could pay back,when you have millions,do you really need that much

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Then why don't we make them pay more for products and services? We are a country of individual rights where each person rich, poor or middle are governed by the same laws except for the income tax law.
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That is very communistic for you to ask if a rich person really needs that much money. How about its no ones business how much money a person has or needs? That's freedom baby!
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taxing is easier than asking their worth every time they buy something
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communism has its good points,
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Then when you grow up you can move to a communist country and enjoy its good points. But don't ever think you will change America. Too many have died preventing its evil.
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Once again you are fighting for the rights of the top 2% when you drive a school bus for a living. That is like slaves fighting for the rights of slave owners.
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What? I drive a school bus because I love what I do and feel very blessed to have a job I enjoy. That doesn't sound like I'm a slave to me. And once again you are against our Constitution and the Republic we live in where every individual has equal rights rich poor black white whatever. We all live under the same laws. Rich should not pay more because they are rich and poor should not pay less because they are poor. Like I've said, there are charities to help the poor. And the rich have every right to keep what is theirs along with the middle and poor classes. If we earn it - it belongs to us not the government. It is not the governments job to give us happiness. Or to take our money.
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Yes, but as stated below - $ 3.00 for a poor person and $3.00 for billionaire are two very different things. Really pontificate these points and don't just be a bobble head with Faux news
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So? By that logic why do any of us deserve proifit? We dont need it. Why should we buy an iPad or a microwave when there are children starving in Africa? Its much cheaper to mow my lawn with scisors and not buy that new lawnmower with the profits I dont deserve. Bottom line- No one has the right to tell me what I do and don't need. A billionare wont mind three dollars? fair enough, but then again I'm sure you wont mind if I take something you have a lot of. The real deal is that its never right to take from someone, even if they won't miss it. Who's to say?
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@red,why should you pay more,percent wise,of your income than trump,gates,and other,obscenly rich people to use the same road,cops,schools,bridges,etc that they use,they pay less than you do,i don't know about you but itz a burden on my wallet. why should they not pay a fair amount of taxes? who is getting s handout here
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I must ask, what the heck are you talking about?
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vleg,that's kinda the point we sre trying to make,they DO take from everyone,its the more you have,the less they take,and the ones that have are the ones making the rules on how much to take,and from whom.the is no fairness here
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I'm pretty sure thats not how the system works nowadays. The rich pay more. More than they should have to. we all do
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the middle class pay more than the 2 percent of the richest people that's what this is about 2 percent have the vast majority of the wealth in this country,obama himself will say he pays less than you,again this means he,they pay less taxes on a dollar than you or iv
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then that should be fixed. flat rate for all
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a flat tax would be perfect,we are in agreement,now if Washington could figure this out we wouldn't be approaching this cliff
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indeed. I was confused at how you phrased your points. I agree a flat tax is a fair tax
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I agree with both of you. A very little flat tax. Washington seems to forget it is OUR money not theirs. They take our money by force and spend it like drunken sailors. When they run low they hold a gun to our heads demanding more using the worn out phrase "fair share". Taxed Enough Already!
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i agree with the girl.

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There are no poor. With housing subsidies, food stamps and other free food programs like Meals on Wheels and School lunch programs, utility subsidies, low cost and Free Health care, welfare for families with children, they have a better standard of living than those who work. It takes two incomes to equal all the handouts the so called poor get.

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see you haven't been out much. if it wasn't for a veterans shelter where I rent a room on the cheap, I would be living in my vehicle. I work 40 hrs. a week at $8.10 an hr.. a non-veteran would be up shit creek. cost of living has got out of hand.
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people need clothes,heat food,food stamps come out to about three dollars a day per person,the health care is a joke health care in name only, you hav got s clue,
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uh......ok
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people don't want to tax the people charging them 4 dollars for a gallon of gas,and they don't mind raising the prices
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i am typing on an android,sorry for the typos
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heard that on don't mind raising the prices on gas. upkeep of vehicle, insurance and a good piece to drive to work don't come cheap
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as you said its out of hand
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saw that on the android. had me confused. don't take much to confuse me, lol.
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i was torn up when she said there was no poor as well and tried to type fast
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Edward you are not even close to being poor according to the rest of the world. You are blessed to be living in America.
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you are right. that is why the U.S,A. is the greatest country on the face of the Earth. I was referring to the standard of living here.
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Big- once again you are fighting for the rights of the top 2% when you drive a school bus for a living. That makes as much sense as spaces fighting for the rights of slave owners saying-- " it's not fair that you want THEM to work in the fields- the worked hard to buy us slaves"
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Slaves fighting -- not spaces fighting
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bigred,why are you showing the national distress sign but saying nothing is wrong?
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thanks trish
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i have been a republican for years i think i was fighting for the wrong side
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Unfortunately I am exposed to too much. I work with people on Medicaid and most of them could get a job but won't along with their parents and grandparents. And after working hard long hours I just get frustrated with people who think I should give them money I work hard to earn while they sit at home thinking up new ways to get more handouts like they are entitled.
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Yes, people abuse the system --- now doing dime basic math-- people cheating welfare ( and money lost) and corporations cheating the system ( and money lost) in which situation is more money lost
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Crow - welcome to the compassionate side- after all the last poor homeless person the Republicans liked was Jesus
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Somehow I don't take as much offense to corporations cheating the system since they are making a contribution by providing jobs and are actually working to earn a living. But that's just my jaded perspective.
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indeed. Why do they deserve my money without my say in the matter? I deserve the right to place my money where I please, whether its in a charity or in a bank. THat should be the end of discussion
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Becky the coperations,or their owners, are the ones not having to pay,you have more taken from every dollar you make than bill gates.you pay more for schools than Donald trump,its an unfair balance on taxpayers,the richer you are the less you have to pay
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Crow and Trish are right about this.
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You are all wrong. Quit paying the government to enslave us!
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If you were to pay 100% and Donald Trump were to pay 5% then he would still provide more money
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"The richer you are the less you have to pay"
I see this statement as half true. Somewhat like a function which graphs a parabala. The vertex is high in the sky and the height is how much we pay. At the far right the parabala approaches back down to the x axis, zero. There are the rich people who, as lady and crow and trish say, pay very little. Then on the far left, the same is true of the lower income people who pay little through handouts and such. In the middle at the highest point, is the middle class.
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Yes, Legoslav, the middle class is getting clobbered. In the last 5 years, we have got next to nothing as far as raises, with many losing jobs and settling for much lower paying jobs. The price of all necessities has gone up, largely because of gas prices. Our health insurance goes up every year while the coverage gets worse. The idiots running this country are making it worse, I hear there was even pork slipped into the Sandy relief! Sad, indeed.
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yepper Stella, it really puts a hurting on us low class, or bottom class, but that is to the standard of living here in America. I look at the rest the world and it makes me realize even though it is tough on my mug, there are people world wide a lot worse off. Luckly for me, being a vet, my town has a veterans shelter or I would be out on the streets even though I have a full time job.
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indeed i suppose
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Tocuteforyou couldn't be any more on point!!!!

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It's only fair in the eyes of "the 47%" (or whatever the number really is). We Americans practically live under mob rule. It won't be long before the majority of Americans just expect those of us who still work to pay for everything.

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No it would not be fair. I have always been a proponent of a flat tax wit no loopholes. Or even better, replacing the income tax with a national sales tax, that way the people who spend the most would pay the most.

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what about those who must buy regular medication or must buy a lot just to fufill basic needs? I agree with flat tax
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I am a proponent of national sales tax. We just need to make food and medicine tax exempt.
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food is exampt as far as I am aware. but unecessarry food is not
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Big- once again you are fighting for the rights of the top 2% which makes as much sense as slaves fighting for the rights of slave owners to own slaves--- being a child and boycotting child labor laws-- etc. a while back I asked you... What SHOULD republicans be willing to give in the way of compromise and you continue to refuse to answer.---- ALSO the poor pay a bigger PERCENTAGE for goods because paying $ 3.00 for a poor person for a product and paying $ 3.00 for a billionaire for the same product are two vastly different things

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I answered you a long time ago. They were not elected to compromise. They were elected to stop the spread of liberalism/socialism/Marxism/communism - all the same in the end. It is destroying our nation as founded.
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2% or 98% they're still people and deserve to have their rights defended
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Ok, so lets go with your theory- then Democrats should not compromise because otherwise we are endorsing Fascism
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Suppose he were fighting for the rights of the bottom two percent, would you feel differently? And what makes their rights more legitimate than the rights of the top 2%?
I do not understand the "soak the rich" mentality, as it's essentially self-defeating. The Left acts as if they 1. Are entitled and 2. The wealthy are their property. But they are not entitled, they never earned it, and if they want the wealthy to feel good about paying more, then everyone should pay a bit more. If they want to lose the wealthy to foreign shores like Ireland, Cayman Islands, or some other such locale, just make the policy seem unfair or onerous.
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I am with you shiny. the people whom hate the rich and love the poor are hard to understand. I suspect they are merely jealous or haters. either way it isn't attractive
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I do not understand trish's statement. Democrats should compromise, that would be great.
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Posted this before but I see its needed here...
Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed.
Herman Melville
US novelist & sailor (1819 - 1891)
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I agree, and it is also true in vice versa
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Not even close. You sit in your warm house with a full belly and presume to judge the hungry and the homeless.
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You would know this how? There are plenty of those "less fortunate" who see the rich as evil and envy to the point of hatred those who have it better
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No bigred, it wouldn't be fair. We need a flat tax.on sales.

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Ever traveled? When you walk around market stalls in some countries, people charge you more for their food/products because they know you're a tourist and have more money than the typical person living there. Regardless, you pay anyway because its still ridiculously cheap. When the local pays 30 cents for a bowl of noodles, paying even $1.50 is still considered inexpensive. People around here tend to complain more about having to fill up gas too often than to complain about the prices of gas. Eco friendly seems to be the current trend as a lot of my neighbors have been receiving their Tesla vehicles which they had to order a few years in advance.

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After reading all the posts all I can say is .......CLASS WARFARE IS ALIVE AND THRIVING IN AMERICA!! What a shame for both sides. If we hate the rich AND the poor, who's left? Please don't say the middle class, because it has, is, all but gone. Neither side is 100% right. There is a happy medium, but as long as y'all concentrate on the differences instead of what we agree on, we are doomed. I feel sorry for the youth of America.

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Super stars!!!
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You all want to pass the buck to the government to help those in need. They are after votes and that's all. You want to help people? Go out and help them.
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You want to turn your back on those in need and suck up to those who don't even know you exist? Have at it.
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I must say those who are in need also do not know I exist. I would love to go help the needy. but at my own pace, and what I want to pay
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The middle class today makes less than they did in the 80's. CEOs on the other hand used to make 112% of what workers did. Now they make 550% of what workers do. The average CEO makes more before lunch on Monday than the workers make all week. The disparity between the 2 has NEVER been this high... Is it trickling down to you yet?
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That's nuts!!! If course rich people nay by thing that all ready are more expensive then the average person may buy. But to charge more fir the same exact item is crazy.

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There is a major problem with the way this question has been asked, which is being reflected in the confusion among the highly differing answers. The details to the question address something completely different from the actual question. No, it would not be fair for two people with different incomes to pay different amounts for the exact same PRODUCT. However, tax rates are a different story. It wouldn't be fair for both a person making $20,000 a year and a person making $20 million a year to pay a flat income tax of, say, 10% when the former wouldn't be able survive if he lost 10% of his income, while the latter could easily pay 10% and still maintain a very high standard of living with no problem. The problem with the current system is that the middle class pay too much while the rich get all the loopholes. Sales tax cannot be the issue in this question as we already pay the same amount of sales tax in our individual states. These rates vary by state, not by income.

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God says you can survive and thrive by tithing 10%
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Thanks for spelling this out for her.
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Good for god.
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God is good. You should check Him out. He is far wiser than any of us. Unless you created yourself.
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I don't believe god needs to worry about cops, roads, schools, military, etc
How about joining the real world?
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Kind of a misleading question red. it reminds me of those surveys worded to produce the answer the survey group wants.

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How?
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It's like saying --- are you against poison? Someone who doesn't have any more information is going to say... Of corse-- but then when you add other variables like -- poison to kill bugs which are threatening our crops- that puts it in a totally different light
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It if you asked ... R u against stealing? Everyone will say YES- but what about people stealing during the depression to feed their families? Puts a different slant in it
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Bingo trish
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Thanks boo
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You had me up to the stealing part. There is never a reason for stealing. It is against the law no matter the reason. But I do see your point about poison. Problem is that this is Ask and questions have to be short and to the point or nobody will bother to read them.
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I got news for you red. Anybody faced with starvation will steal, especially if there are children involved.
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It's still illegal either way.
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There's legal and there is survival. Guess which one triumphs?
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If we level off the hills and fill in the valleys of society so to speak would that make everybody happy? Somehow I don't think so. If you are not a Christian you like to to chastise them for not just laying down and letting leaders like our president make a cookie cutter society out of our country.
The question asked here might have seemed a little preposterous but gradually what's preposterous today becomes what people expect.
Go ahead and give up your assets to your less fortunate neighbors in an amount more than you do now and just hope if you go too far with that they will come to your aid. Liberals want the government to see to it that this happens and be the intermediary in the process. I don't trust that process.
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Celeb, nobody is leveling anything BUT
In the 1950's CEOs earned 24 times what the workers did. We had a thriving middle class and a good economy.
In the 1990's CEOs earned 122 times what workers did and we still had a solid middle class and a good economy.
In 2009 CEOs earned 550 times what workers earned and our middle class is struggling and the economy is poor.
An average CEO earns more before lunchtime on the very first day of work in the year than a minimum wage worker earns all year.
There is something terribly wrong with such an imbalance.

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Boo , something does seem wrong with that imbalance. I don't understand it either. It's not just the CEO because if you look at payouts for pages full of lesser officers etc. they all get millions per year . They can still pay me a dividend on my investment with them that I am happy with and offer a product people clammer to purchase. I wish they would each take a few hundred thou less and pay me a higher dividend.
On a smaller scale how about the city and county employees? Most of them right down to the menial positions make more than I ever did after adjusting for inflation or at least are "out of balance" based on the value which they provide. I know that's based on my feeling of self importance.
I know there is a little selfishness in all of us including me. I'm primarily concerned now for my spouse and I . We aren't too fond of getting caught up in the fiscal mess, being pushed and shoved by the various governments which ends up visibly in the form of more and higher taxes and fees.
Most of those in the federal government have such a critical mass in their net worth that taxes for them are more like a board game that THEY can't lose.
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A strong middle class is what keeps this country strong. The GOP has steadily been trying to erode the middle class.
Did you know that when bush enacted all the tax cuts, advisors asked him to include failsafe a that would reinstate the current tax rate if the economy showed signs of going out of whack? He refused which was too bad because if he had agreed the tax rates would have gone back up in 2004.
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The GOP was trying to erode the middle class, to what end? I'm trying hard to imagine how I would have been better off from 2004 with a reversion to the higher tax rates.
Now with more Medicaid recipients coming on board I guess the State will like a little more for that, maybe even 2 years before they actually need it under the affordable health care act. I think we will all be smothered one way or another for years to come.
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If taxes had reverted to the pre bush tax cuts, we would not be as deeply in debt as we are. As for the affordable care act the CBO estimated we have saved quite a lot through it already and savings will keep adding up. If you feel like you can afford a doctor for a checkup you'll go and not wait until you are in great pain and go to the ER. You may actually get treated and cured fairly easily and cheaply instead of trying to fix a problem that has gotten out of hand.
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We are at best dealing with a lot of what ifs and maybes here. If Obama gets his way as we "go forward" as he has till now, then when we are doing our final rocking chair thing and Hillary is passing off to another Liberal (excuse the word) our kids should be sitting pretty. Hopefully,right?
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As long as there are politicians I don't believe we will ever be "sitting pretty" sitting on guard is more like it... But yes, signs are positive that things are coming around but if Europe crashes we will be in trouble again.
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I'm going to reverse to bring up what Boo said earlier about the rising CEO income. I agree there are things wrong with that. But taxing the money back is not how to solve it. The money is wasted then. I cannot provide a feasible solution at this time but the CEOs still earn the money, but then the government just takes it and it's gone. Then those people will want it back, so they'll fire workers and reduce costs to gain their profit back. Taxation is not the solution
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Taxation is the solution for paying for Iraq and Afghanistan. Taxation is the solution to paying for the Medicare prescription drug plan. Taxation is the solution for finishing off tarp. Taxation is the solution for covering our auto bailout.
NONE of this stuff has been paid for, none.
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No, taxation is not the solution as it /can never solve the problem!/ we must reduce what we spend! If we tax more we get less because less people can afford to pay the taxes and less people have jobs. It's counterproductive! If we reduce spending we can tax less and get more money! It's not Reaganomics, it's common sense!
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And maybe we didn't need an auto bailout in the first place, or Obamacare, or anything like that. Tax and spend, tax and spend. Can't you see that there's no more to tax and we've spent too much?
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I love how you just pass right over the 2 biggies.
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Yes, because I agree with you on those. They need to be paid for. And likewise I "love" how you ignore what works and strive for what doesn't
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I'm ignoring nothing. The things I mentioned are facts, they exist, they must be paid for and cutting spending won't make past due bills go away.
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No, it is not "fair" (I think this word should be stricken from the language). Unfortunately we will be at the tipping point where those seeking to live from "entitlements" will draw out much more than is being contributed and our democratic republic will vanish, those few that have been successful and planned their lives will be further punished and castigated by those that take without contributing!

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No. where has equality gone?

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Why on earth would a producer charge more to rich people for the exact same product? This is reverse discrimination and unfair on its face. It also is the opposite of how goods at typically sold. One typically gets a discount if one purchases large amounts of a good. Wealthy people buy large amounts. They get the discount more often.
Our progressive taxes are justified by liberal policy: poor spend more of their money for living expenses, and rich have more disposable income, so they pay more. but there should be a limit: nobody should pay more than 50 percent of their income in total state & federal income taxes, nor more than 10 percent in sales taxes or more than 4 percent in property taxes. These are practical limits that may be too high in any case.

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It's their income to begin with. The govt should not be taking anybody's fruit of their labor. The whole IRS should be abolished.
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Morally it is theft to take a mans income because you can. You cannot cure the ills of poverty or hunger, of maldistribution, by tax policy. You cannot create a fair society by tax policy. You cannot bring enduring justice to a society when you take the livelihood of the members of the society in an unjust manner, by unjust means, and in an unevenhanded method.
Some will say it is the Christian thing to do, to ask more from those with more means. This is by no means certain. Jesus tells the parable of the talents to show that God rewards productivity and penalizes indolence. In fact, he takes the talents from the one who does nothing productive, and gives it to the productive person. The liberal left would take from the productive person, and give to the unproductive one.
Instead, perhaps government should promote private charity, and all efforts to assist people should rely on the charitable deeds of willing givers.new need to get away from the entitlement mentality, and connect back to the basic needs of our needy.
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Now that I agree with shineyplate. Let each person decide who or if they give charity to. Govt could encourage us to give but absolutely no force. That us the moral thing to do.
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excellent. star because nobody has appreciated this yet
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I couldn't have put it better myself. and now I will summarize in a trashy way: Screw fairness! Darwinism!
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Can we give this a rest? You act like half the country is laying around popping babies and "our taxes" do nothing but support them. Take a look at where your tax dollars go. Welfare makes up at most 12% of what's spent. 25% goes to defense. Pensions 21%
You need to get a grip on the hate.
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One does not hate those less fortunate; one acts charitably toward them. Hate is an unproductive emotion.
When government creates entitlements, it robs the personal giver of the blessing of doing good, and the receiver is robbed of the blessing of gratefulness. Government takes by force, and redistributes by entitlement. The result is a change in the expectations of all, resulting in a breakdown of civility and society. One only has to look at the riots in Greece to see what we have to look forward to.
There is a place for government in encouraging charity by giving tax reductions; this may be all that is necessary if done correctly. This rewards us for doing well, and good policy.
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Please look back through history at exactly how well "personal giving" worked.
There is a reason welfare was created and its because people were starving to death, women were selling themselves to feed their children. Men were killed when trying to strike for a living wage.
Your utopia does not exist
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Actually, private charity donates over $300 billion every year. That's a lot of money, but no, not as much as we transfer from Workers to elderly through Social Security.
Your point is true, that the care of the elderly (social security) and the indigent (welfare) are being done as a routine measure. You like it. Lots of money goes there, perhaps some wasted, but the government does things in a big way. You like it, I get that.
You may be right, I might wish to return to the to the time when private charity ruled, a time of 8 percent growth in GDP in the US. A time of invention and innovation, with the steam engine, electricity, the automobile, telephone, and many other modern conveniences. A time when families were central, churches attended, children valued, and abortion was not killing a million or more per year. When cynicism and distrust of government was not the rule, but an exception. I am a student of history, and while there were some bad times, there were good times too. But I know we can't return to those times; it's not practical, the world has changed. I am not convinced the change is all for the better.

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You act like innovation died when the government stepped in to keep people from starving. Sorry, there is plenty of innovation now. We have however lost women killing themselves because they are pregnant, women dying through back alley abortions, women being treated like property, children sent to work at 12, physical abuse being looked over. People dying from various diseases that we've conquered.
You keep your "good old days"
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Obviously those things would be changed. But theres a line the government walks between protecting us from each other, and protecting us from ourselves. There is innovation, true, but the spirit of it seems gone. "Why try to do something new when what you're doing works?" seems to be the motto of this administation. Stay on welfare then. But I still see prostitutes, I still see back-alley abortions and teen death because they know their lives are still ruined. THose are self-implemented things. While they are wrong, it is not the government's place to step in. That's a personal thing
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Nothing like cherry picking from what I said. Do some actual research. The "good old days" were not that great. And there is plenty of innovation now, not sure where you get the "don't do anything new"
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Because that's a communist ideal... Oy vey. No matter. Why would you decide to change (get a job) when what you're doing works? (Safety net) how far into your life do you want the government? I don't want a safety net, if I fail, I deserve it. No one needs to pay for me. Least of all the government. We are so concerned with the trees we can't see the forest
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Love how the 47% shill for the high end.
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Sorry?
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Bigred, this a fine question designed to allow people's brains to snap out of their liberal trances.

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Yup.
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Liberalism is the politics of envy and they have all made my point.
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indeed
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The only point made here was by dwilly. The arrogance and hatred shown by the well fed and housed towards the less fortunate is amazing and sickening. Good Christians all, aren't you?
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Yes good Christians give to those in need. We don't let money be taken at gun point so that others can distribute our giving for us. That kind of mutes the point of giving. Read the Bible Boo. Maybe then you will understand what God wants us to do and why. Don't cherry pick passages. Read it with belief and you might begin to understand that giving is a personal thing that helps us have more empathy for our neighbors and better understanding of God's love.
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Please get over your arrogance. Welfare is not the biggest drain on our budget, no matter what rush tells you to think. My taxes go to things I don't agree with but tolerate, it's called common good.
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That's called communism. To heck with "common good" We cant afford it right now. maybe welfare and all that crap is good, but now is not the time. a budget crisis is not the time. an economy down the toilet is not the time. a raging war on terrorism is not the time. I'd say this is the WORST time to be spending more money on crap like that. (If there ever is a good time) You can tolerate like a good little colonist, or maybe we can do what is REALLY right. I implore you
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Obviously you don't understand the term "common good"
Providing for the welfare of the general public is a basic goal of government. The preamble to the U.S. Constitution cites promotion of the general welfare as a primary reason for the creation of the Constitution. Promotion of the general welfare is also a stated purpose in state constitutions and statutes. The concept has sparked controversy only as a result of its inclusion in the body of the U.S. Constitution.

The common good or common weal is a term that can refer to several different concepts. In the popular meaning, the common good describes a specific "good" that is shared and beneficial for all (or most) members of a given community. This is also how the common good is broadly defined in philosophy, ethics, and political science.
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Context, it's all about context. What is described in the constitution only means the government should provide armed forces, roads, police, mail, etc. we have taken this too far. Our Republican forefathers (yes, they were) would weep bloody tears at what we have become
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“Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.”

Kennedy's words still ring true. Believe it or not, the rich can do more for the country than the poor can.

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How so? The poor can become rich, and vice versa. I see that fewer and fewer follow Kennedy's words by accepting unemployment and welfare and others with no real attempt made to get back on their feet
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I think the rich should pay more.

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Why? Do you or the poor or middle class have different rights in this country? I thought we are all equal. We are all citizens living under the same laws. I think the poor should pay the same percent as the rich. That's fair and equal.
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