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Unique look on 'god'.

So, if we all came from cells, which came from the ocean, which evolved and blah blah blah, that cell would have have to come from somewhere. Well, our planet once had nothing on it, it was just a ball of fiery death. So, after the Earth became habitable, this cool thing called an asteroid came and hit the Earth. Now we have found cells and organisms in meteors before, so this means that we don't necessarily have a god, but could have originated from another planet in which he cares for. BUT, if an asteroid came from that planet, that planet must be heavily damaged or most likely destroyed. What do you think?

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question for you, what created that other planet? see, this whole theory could work, but God still has to be included somewhere, because that planet cant exist without some other event creating it, and that other event cant exist without another thing creating it, something has to put that domino effect of creation into motion. And God is the only remotely logical explanation for it

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Well said.
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Strelok
But where's the domino event that made God?
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God is the uncaused cause, he always existed, even before time, God created time, and set this domino effect into motion afterward, so God does not have to have a beginning, because he existed before time, which means he existed before beginnings could happen
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Strelok
If he existed before beginnings could happen, his beginning couldn't have happened.
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exactly, because he didnt have a beginning, he ALWAYS existed, he never began, he just was
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I just SAID that. "but could have originated from another planet in which he cares for."
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Prove it.
God is a made up being to ease the fear of death, and give people under the fallacy of ignorance a reason for everything.

Where is you support? Backup? Proof?
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Good answer, but there doesn't always have to be a greater power. We could just not know the answer behind it and may never know it.
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philogenitiveness, one, the burden of proof is more upon you than me, you should try and prove God doesnt exist, but there are several things that do prove the existence of God, events such as eucharistic miracles, i can give you several links to those, the Tilma of Juan Diego, things such as this show that its quite obvious that God exists, but the fact of the matter is, you cant prove God doesnt exist.
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Oh, you mean coincidences?
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Actually, as you support your argument by trying to make me think God exists, it is your burden to prove it.

But anyway:
Big Bang, proven fact how the universe came to be.
Evolution - Proven fact leading up to our creation and existence.

Prove this Tilma of Juan Diego happened. There is more evidence proving God false then true. Wait for a bit, science will prove your false being fake.
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an ordinary piece of bread turning into a piece of real human flesh is a pretty giant coincidence.
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@preppyboy
Yes we believe it happened but there is no real or hard evidence of it.
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i just gave you two examples, and one of the examples contains literally hundreds of instances, there is plenty of hard evidence, atheists simply choose to disregard it
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@preppyboy
Alright, it's what you believe.
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@Philogenetiveness
Actually the big band theory is STILL a theory. There is not hard evidence yet but proof that it's highly possible.
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Is that something that you believe in?
Break doesn't have the same chemical makeup as human skin.
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http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0447.html

there is your article on the tilma, but the big bang theory cannot work without God, something has to create that explosion, and evolution is not proven either.
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@preppyboy
I know, that's what I believe (as you can see in my answer below) but there there still could be something that created that explosion that we don't know about yet.
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well considering the theory says it came from a universe that had nothing in it, there is literally no cause for that explosion aside from God, its kinda funny that they backed themselves into the corner with that one
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Except for the law of conservation of mass.
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but there is the law that an explosion has to have matter to happen, and if there is no matter, there is no explosion, and since the big bang theory says there was no matter at all, that explosion could not have happened without God
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I know but many people don't believe that, you must understand that.
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i understand that they dont believe it, thats why its my moral obligation to show the facts, so that they might believe in the end
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preppyboy
Yes, but it's also in our moral code to treat those with respect and to let them find their own way to God while we stand as examples.
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perhaps thats in your moral code, i am going to assume you arent Catholic here, but my moral code is to be a soldier of christ, so yes, i will stand as an example, but i will stand and leave others to drown, hoping they will learn to swim before they sink, that would not set a very good example would it? no, my job is to educate the ignorant, as it is a spiritual work of mercy.
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No, I'm just Christian, I don't believe in denominations. That's where we differ.
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i can see that, yes, my moral code is focused on bringing others to God as much as possible, and that includes telling them the facts, even if they dont want to hear them.
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Evolution is proven. Darwin's Finches. And also, there is something that made the explosion. You see, it's like lightning. When molecules are flying around and rubbing against each other, it creates a charge until bang, lightning. Much the same could be said for the Big Bang. The matter is so concentrated, and remember, this is ALL matter, so there are things that will make charges AND materials to make explosives are in there.
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^yes.
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You do know we have a picture of the big bang?

It happened because all matter in the universe was compacted and pressured.
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Yes, but it's still a theory. I didn't make it up, it's true. We have yet to actually prove it.
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You do know that a theory is a proven fact, right?
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Theory
Noun
1.A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be...: "Darwin's theory of evolution"
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@Philogenitiveness
It's close but not close enough. What JuliusNova said.
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Jack_Frost
1. Big bang- you say it was all that concentrated matter that made the big bang happen. But can you please tell me where that matter came from?
2. Evolution is NOT a proven theory. Firstly, Where are the missing links? Secondly, why did it stop? I dont see us evolving anymore. Third, evolution states that for some reason apes got BETTER, they evolved into humans. Yet, if you look at, well, all of nature, things always get worse. Erosion, our bodies, everything! To believe in evolution is to believe that for some reason mother nature did the exact opposite of what she has ALWAYS done and is still doing today, and made is better. This doesnt make any sense.
Neither of these theories are proven, at all.
NOW. The eucharistic miracle, that is not a theory. That is a historical, real occurrence.
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@thatgirlMARZ
If your a so-called christian, why are you working against us???
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@JackSolomon
That's Darwin's theory not evolution. We have progressed over time that's why we have found better ways to live and new inventions to use.

I'm not working against you.
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Jack_Frost
Im talking about evolution here. It states that we evolved into humans, which are smarter and more sophisticated and all around better than apes. And things in nature dont get better, ever
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Yes we are multi-cellular creatures. We happened cell after cell building up and forming. That's what everyone does in the uterus or test-tube. That is, technically, evolving.
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but not on the scale that darwin talked about, Darwin's basis is macroevolution, like pokemon, something very sudennly becomoning a completely different animal, as opposed to adapting slightly, in different ways over time, which is called microevolution, and while microevolution works, it cannot change the basic genetic makeup of anything, and will never result in a completely different animal, darwins theory is filled with holes, compound that with the fact that he never used the scientific method, and darwin was quite obviously a poseur
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Yes, that's darwinism. I don't believe in it.
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Theories have only evidence supporting them and none denying them.

@JackSolomon -
We are evolving. It is a very long process. Bugs are becoming resistant to bug spray. That is adaptation, which is Evolution.

Science cannot explain where the matter came from. That doesn't mean that it was your false God. dat ignorance.

@preppyboy -
You act like the theory said that one second, an animal is a fish, the next, a squirrel. That is not possible.

Adaptations for time, turning a fish to a squirrel is possible. Evolution does not say we came from apes, it says we are on the same tree as apes.
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Strelok
The reason I don't believe in God is because I do not fear death, I see it as a natural part of life. My reasons for avoiding death are our of self-preservation and I believe in only science, coincidence, or me not fearing death means I don't need to believe in after-life?
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i dont fear death, i still believe in God, we are souls that happen to have bodies, not bodies that happen to hve souls, a body is like a car, and we will all eventually get out of it, why should it be a fearful thing?
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Strelok
Because the thought of being permanently dead and gone in the ground, everything you ever were disintegrating and being no more can be a scary thought for some. With religion it says that your being and mind goes to an after-life.
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i simply dont understand how your logic points to the idea that you cannot believe in God if you dont fear death. it seems like a rather ridiculous notion to me
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We don't evolve because there is no need for us to. We are already on top of the food chain, so no one is dying and letting people with 'mutations' come out on top. Species evolve by being decimated by something, but the mutated ones survive and are able to reproduce, being able to create a new generation. Mutations aren't just comic books. Albino-ism, Being born with underdeveloped limbs, living in an area for a long time and growing immune to something. All mutations.
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I don't understand your logic saying that if you can't explain something, then it was God.
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my logic isnt that if you cant explain something, it must be God, i simply dont discount God from existence as atheists do, and the only way your theories make sense, is if God is included in the picture somewhere
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lol nope
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Yes, it does.
Is there evidence of God's existence? There is more evidence denying him then actually supporting.

So you mean the Theory of Gravity only makes sense if God is included?
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Why are we still arguing about this? Why can't we just accept that we all believe or know different things and let it go?
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well considering God created everything, and for gravity to exist, everything else must first exist, then yes, the theory of gravity would only work if God is included somewhere, his placement would be at the creation of things though, instead of a direct component in that theory.
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Oh boy, the gravity argument. WELL, physics will be and always will be the same. Items are attracted to other objects of greater mass. Blah blah blah. Also, don't you know you can't create nor destroy matter? All I need to do is go home and post a link, and your argument would be so invalid.
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Can you prove that God created everything?

Sounds like the fallacy of ignorance to me.
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Derek54

wasnt aware that we found organisms in asteroids.... got any news articles?

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My school will block them. Go to google.
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Derek54
:/ you got a very secure school that you go to.
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Technically we're born from stars, sounds pretty awesome. I have the same problem so sorry.
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lightspeed systeeeeeeems.
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Yes, irritating. "Sorry, this is categorized as information" -___-
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Deviantart.com is blocked, youtube is blocked, memecenter is blocked, sometimes google images is blocked...

But trolino isn't... >:D
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Deviantart.com being blocked makes me the saddest. What's trolino?
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It's basicly memecenter.
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I believe that God created the law of conservation of mass, or whatever law it was, that created everything. It's like he did one great thing and watched everything play out from then on.

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So you cannot explain it so you think it was god?

Explain how he did these then.
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I can't, I know that. It's just what I believe.
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I believe in the Big bang theory. God said it and bang it happened.

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How about this, who/what created "GOD".

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Derek54
technically, nothing. God is an eternal everlasting being, the Alpha and the Omega. he has no beginning nor an end. try thinking about the properties of the concept of infinity- similar to that
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I'm an atheist, just wanted to see how people would react to this.
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God cant be eternal... Everything starts somewhere, god is just a shortcut to bypass that quest.
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Derek54
i respect your opinion, but i must disagree with you. I believe that God is eternal, and i do not believe that we have the complete understanding of all of the laws of all reality to determine if something must have a beginning or not
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Jack_Frost
Saying that everything comes from somewhere is true, but its also a paradox, you can not keep doing that forever! Something has to be the beginning, that beginning is God
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That beginning isn't god, god doesn't exist. Based off of the definition of existing. Can we touch it? No. Can we hear it? No. Can we feel it? Ignorant people will say yes, but that is just them being blinded by faith.
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Derek54
im sorry, but it seems you are infringing on the politeness of this conversation. you arent thinking of any other persons point of view. if you would like to base your opinion off of a man made definition of 'existing' then be my guest. if you feel it appropriate to call others ignorant for their beliefs, go ahead- but thats rather impolite and ignorant itself. a wise person would consider all possibilities of creation before downcasting others... im not ignorant, im sure. and i feel my God. you cant see or touch or hear an atom, yet we still believe in its existence, do we not? if religion isnt your thing, and you do not want to be bonded by its general ethics, morals and ideals, and the existence of god is too outlandish for you, then thats okay. just please consider others feelings before you make such an ignorant statement. btw, definition of existence: noun
1.
the state or fact of existing; being.
2.
continuance in being or life; life: a struggle for existence.
3.
mode of existing: They were working for a better existence.
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all that exists: Existence shows a universal order.
5.
something that exists; entity; being.
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Derek54
why cant we just cast aside our differences and just be friends as a species? ah, me and my ideals...
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Lol
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Atoms are everything you touch and see everyday. They are matter. You can hear them too. You know when you clank metal together? Iron molecules colliding. And you touch things everyday. YOU are atoms.
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Derek54
no no no, i mean individual atoms. you cant see, hear, touch, or otherwise acknowledge their existence. our current model of the atom is based on nothing more than educated guesses. now i believe that atoms exist, and i believe that everything is made up of atoms, but i digress. by the way, iron cannot take the form of a molecule, because it is not diatomic, and it is a metal, but they can form ions :) and sound that you hear has to do with sound waves, and the acoustics of your environment more so than the fact of that it is metal
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I said molecule because it would be made up of two or more atoms. And rocks make different noises than metal. Just super sayin. And I'm looking at thousand of atoms right now.
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Derek54
try looking at an individual atom- just super sayin. a metal element cannot be a molecule because a molecule must contain a nonmetal. iron can be an ion though. and sound that you hear deals entirely with a different subject. are you done arguing yet?
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Nope. Again, I look at them every day. And you can see individual ones in a partical accelerator. Smashy smashy. And you said you couldn't hear them. I consider collisions hearing them.
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Derek54
collisions of say, two good sized pieces of metal? that all has to deal with the density of each material, as well as the acoustics of the environment(being in an open area, or an enclosed space) im sorry but i think its quite silly to proclaim "oh, i hear the atoms!" whenever a car crashes into a pole, or a tree falls to the ground, or some toddler is banging pots and pans together. particle accelerators do not allow you to see atoms- they cannot be used as some microscope to view the structure of any subatomic particle. now, scientists can make observations and hypotheses from using the particle accelerator to determine the charges of atoms and how fast atoms may gain or lose energy levels. but you cannot see, with your naked eye, nor through any microscope, the structure of any atom, nor can you hear any individual atom, nor can you feel any individual atom. thats where i stand on this, and if you would like to think something different, go ahead. just dont bother me with it
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Atoms actually never touch. What we interpret at touching is just the electrons of the items touching, not the items themselves.

^ That's irrelevant.

Your post is just hypocrisy and contradiction.
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Yep. WHat you feel is Atoms repelling other atoms, you never actually touch anything. You are FEELING the individual atoms.
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The feels.
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Derek54
i dont see any hypocrasy in my posts... at all. never said that atoms touch each other at the nucleus, duh. you cant feel individual atoms. you both are very misguided people
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Derek54
if anything, your argument is somewhat fragmented nova, but i digress. my final point before i stop returning to this pointless feed: you cannot see touch or feel individual atoms. you cannot use a particle accelorator to do this. making sounds with metal does not allow you to hear atoms. if atoms made their own sound, you wouldnt be able to hear them because they are too small, and having a large group of them together smashing against another large group of them does not constitute you hearing them. enjoy your holidays, and dont do drugs
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Irony.

We're misguided, but then you're the one who believes in God.
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Derek54
irony, you scoff at religion, and there are only about 8,200,000 atheists on the planet. what an oppressive minority. shoot i bet you could get one of those affirmative action scholarships to a university ^^
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Derek54
someones got a bee in their bonnet
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That's like judging homosexuals because they don't have a huge population.
Oh, wait. Homosexuality is "immoral" in Christianity.

Look at a survey. Countries like Sweden where the majority of the residents do not believe in God, is doing much better as a country than us.

Sweden has not been in a war (entirely) since the 19th century. A.K.A, the 1800s.
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Ok. For one, you would think that if this god of yours had existed before the beginning of time itself, then all of the ancients would have worshipped him the minute they became sentient. Instead, most ancients who were religious were polytheistic, or worshipped many gods. Wouldn't they have known about him, and wouldn't he have made himself known to them if they didn't? Also, look at any piece of science or history: we have A.D., which is After Death, and we have B.C...which is Before Christ. Wouldn't the religion of christianity or at least the basis of it have already existed before Christ was ever born, if indeed he was? If not, then this god had to have had a beginning. I have focused mainly on the christian faiths here because you made a reference to a being you called "God", and no other religion has a name like that for their deity.

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Actually the BC/AD system wasn't in use until the 900s, and scholars don't use it anymore. They use BCE/CE ("common era").

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Jack_Frost
Ok, there are a couple of things wrong here. Firstly, the ancients were lack-wits. They didnt have the mental capacity to comprehend God as we do today. Secondly, AD doesnt stand for after death, it stands for anno domini "in the year of our lord". Thirdly, there are three religions that worship our God. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. Fourth, you said that christianity had no basis before christ, and that completely false, the base of christianity is Judaism. Even our holy doctrine is based off of theirs. The old testament of the bible is the torah. Learn your facts before you advertise them.
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The ancients were "lack wits" yet you take their scriptures as truth? Makes so much sense.
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Not to mention the fact that he fails to recognize that they had a much more complicated belief system.
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Jack_Frost
im speaking of ancients, not of the people that wrote the bible. there's a BIG time gap.
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Funny, but most ancient cultures and civilizations were far more advanced than the Hebrews- they were largely illiterate desert nomads while the Egyptians, Sumerians, and Babylonians all enjoyed high culture.
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Jack_Frost
your definition of "ancients" and mine appear to differ quite a bit. He talks about ancients at the beginning of time (i.e. "as soon as they became sentient). The humans at the dawn of time WERE lack-wits. They weren't these great civilizations, those didn't come until MUCH MUCH later. The very first humans didn't have the mental capacity to understand God, much less build fantastical empires.
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Jack_Frost
thats why i dont find that argument applicable
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You don't use the correct term. What you are referring to ate "prehistoric a" not ancients. Ancient still implies civilization in scholarly terms. What does this have to do with the idea of gods anyway? Most high civilizations from that time were polytheistic. In fact the Hebrews were largely illiterate nomads with no advancements in science, art, or culture. Compared to their contemporaries THEY were the "lack wits".
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Are prehistorics. Autocorrect fail.
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