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Since God does not need us or anything : why did He create us ?

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Hypothetically, if the abrahamic god created humans just so they can worship him and then punishes those who do not believe and then don't live their life by "his word" then that would just mean he has a really bad ego problem combined with intolerant totalitarianism.

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That's an interesting perspective. Good answer
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Maybe He just wanted to be loved back.
Merry Christmas
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So it's love me or be tortured? No thanks.
Have a happy holiday.
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That's not really correct. He wants to see you pass an earthly test so you can keep your body. You can be forgiven of sins, and he won't really torture you. He just won't help you. Nothing in anywhere comes free.
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There is no test if he already knows what is going to happen.
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@TheTrustyLepp, I find your answer intriguing. I am a Christian, if that matters. I would find it hard to dispute your answer even though I don't believe it. Good answer.
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TrustyLepp.....been trying to catch up with you. Left you a comment on your Trinity answer if ya get a chance to go back. :)
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Thanks. I wouldn't expect a christian to agree with my answer but I like how you don't just brush it off as blasphemous or absolutely wrong because of bias like a lot of the others on ask. Enjoy the holiday.
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Oh ok harem I'll go check!
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Why would I brush it off? It's well thought out and presented in a concise yet powerful manner. I realize a lot of people can't get past the differences, but they are tiresome. Happy Holidays!
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True. :)
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Oh snap..

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he loves us

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So amazing that He does not need us. But that He wants us.

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Beautiful! :)
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It's from this one Christian rock song, I can't remember what it's called. :)
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It's beautiful. I probably have 20 Christian CDs. They contain some of the most amazing and beautiful lyrics. I think my favorite group is Casting Crowns, followed right behind by Matthew West.
Have a very Merry Christmas. :)
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Casting Crowns is great. Merry Christmas to you too!
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...Ouch. That hurt.

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To love us.

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Who says god created us? We allegedly evolved from apes.

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Still are apes ourselves.
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True. Lol.
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We the people are so stupid to understand why, and when the world is going to end, only god knows.

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I'm not God. I don't know.

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He was bored and he didn't have ask.com.

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Why even question him ?

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Because blind faith is not a good thing.
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On the contrary, faith IS following blindly. Trusting in what you cannot see or "prove".

But it's okay to ask questions if you want to learn more.
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If you had the power to create life civilizations etc. And just mess around with them and make them worship you, Wouldn't you do it?
I sure ad heck know I would.

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Says the guy who was saying gods insecure and an atheist.
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Who better to recognize it?
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Haven't you ever made something beautiful or wonderful and felt the wonderful feeling of stepping back and seeing other people's pleased reactions when they enjoy what you made? Perhaps that's why. It's a truly wonderful feeling.

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Who is He impressing?
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Hypothetically, we were created to worship him basically leading us to believe we are manifestations of his insecurity and loneliness.

He could not have "loved us" before he created us so he could not want to be "loved back" but rather "loved and worshiped" then simply for his dark atheist aloneness. Though seemingly magnificent- at one time he was but an all powerful atheist.

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Could you please explain how he is an atheist?
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He does not believe a god created him or that there is a higher being than him. He believes nature is the reason he is here.
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That is what I thought you would say. I have never heard this presented before. On one hand, you are exactly right....my mind is searching for any contradictions. It seems to fit just like you said. On the other hand, it seems a little bold to label God an atheist. Yet, it is just as you say, nobody created Him. Wouldn't that make Him the antithesis of what He expects? Sorry this rambles, I'm thinking it through.
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No its not rambles, I welcome thinking like this. I find it interesting that he expects the antithesis of himself and in fact somewhat paints a picture of self hate, only further demonstrating his insecurity.
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How does this show self-hate? It's readily obvious how you would say God is insecure and lonely. Even though I hadn't heard anyone say God is an atheist, it is quickly explained. But self-hate? I am not seeing that so readily.
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What I mean is with such power could one not simply remake oneself? It's as you said, He is the antithesis of what he expects- so why make us opposite when he could just as easily make them same? He demands what he could not expect of himself as well. He demands that his people((( not be like him))) to me that seems to speaks to insecurity, perhaps self hate is harsh, but in a very profound way. Such like perhaps a screw up of a father not wishing his children to make the same mistakes and so demanding that his children be different. This is just my feelings I did not intend to stir you up.
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*same mistakes he did
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Oh, truth, you did not stir me up. You only stir up questions as you tend to do! No worries...when I'm thinking something through, I don't stop and make it sound nice. I apologize about that. Okay, your explanation about the father not wanting his children to be like him makes sense. Just for the sake of argument, could not the father want things to be better for the children than they were for him? Perhaps he pictures the best life possible and wants to provide that for the children. No, that doesn't work...here's where I'm struggling. If God wanted better for his children or if he hated himself, why not change His situation? If He didn't like the way things were, why not change? If I were God, you can bet I would manipulate every situation to fit my pleasure or need. I keep coming full circle. Yes, you make perfect sense. But, if your comments are true or if they are false - my question remains the same.. Why wouldn't God manipulate His circumstances? Does that make sense?
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Top notch back and forth, people. First rate!
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This is a good question. Why wouldn't god manipulate his circumstance? My theory is, hypothetically, even an infinite all powerful being is defined by parameters that it cannot transcend. Can god make an unliftable stone and if so, how far would a god transcendent of time take it to make something as real as a stone it cannot lift? If there is an all powerful god- I am certain it has become quite aware of its limitations within infinite time and with no feat unconquerable nothing can ever seem as real to it as this world to us. Knowing ones own parameters and having only self to reflect and empathize with, that there is no "other" has got to me maddening with insecurity. When you have done everything possible with no limitations within an infinite time interval, how can you possibly know love? How can you think anything matters when you realize nothing can ever be real to you for it all may as well be a pile of burning paintings you can't seem to care to hold onto? I think if there is a god that it must find manipulating his circumstance quite meaningless.
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@Noveltman, thank you. I always find truth to be thought provoking and he patiently listens as I try to see all sides of an issue!
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Truth, you make sense, but you present a picture of God...angry, sullen, lashing out. That is at complete odds with the picture of God that has been presented to me for years...omnipotent, loving, caring. My next question, if you'll endure another one!, is this: If a person chooses to believe God exists (I do believe), how can one know the personality of God? I like definite, sure answers. I think I could easily argue that God is like either one I mentioned. It would be easy to be convincing. BUT, how do you know for sure? My guess is that you don't, you just find the best fit for your thinking. What do you think?
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I didn't mean to paint the picture so grey, I just have a hard time imagining a life of no limits to carry any meaning... How many humanities does a god build before it becomes meaningless? Should a god not wonder what death is? I can't know for sure unless, hypothetically, I'm a prophet right? My contention is that no one- despite his or her best effort to assert he or she does for any reason- can know just what a deity is about and verify it as true. I'm only drawing conclusions based on human psychology, rationality and logic: features that typically do not touch the theist in ways I am touched by them. I want to ask you now though. If you were god- would you want your children to realize how angry, sullen and lashing out you are knowing that you are the pinnacle of greatness this universe has to offer that they could never hope to be? Would you like your children to realize That the product of unlimited power and infinite life is empty, unfulfilled sense of meaninglessness and unquenchable seething rage for inadequate capacity to transcend godhood?
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novelty- thanks, it was a decent question by betty and just saying is rather open to discussion
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No, truth, I wouldn't. I would want them to think I am omnipotent, loving, and caring. I would want them to think I am a great vending machine in the sky. They just say, "I want," and they could have whatever they want. I would want to disguise my misery with visions of a beautiful life to come. I would want all people to desire to be like me. I would try to find satisfaction in controlling lives. I agree that we cannot know definitely and that annoys me. Truth, thank you for giving me much to think about...again.
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It was a pleasure talking with you just_saying. Thank you for being a great listener and provoking so much thought.
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Why do people have flower gardens? We don't "need" them. Because we love flowers, we want something to take care of. We don't tend every individual flower every minute, but we look out over our garden, make sure it is doing as well as possible, and take pride in what we have grown.

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This answer actually just avoids the question asked. He could not have loved us before he created us nor known of us before he created us. Unlike flowers, god, hypothetically, was the direct cause for us ever existing in the first place- not a proximity infatuation cultivating motivation to make more like your answer suggests.
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I'll stick with this, though. Was not speaking of humans creating flowers, but of creating the garden. In my imagination, the universe is the garden, and we are one of the many things planted in it. God (whichever one) didn't need us; he just put us here to see what we could become.
And do we not "imagine" the garden before we start. Not speaking of the biblical god in particular, but might not a god (any god) imagine his creation before starting on it.
If you are an atheist, which is your right, of course all this is moot.
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Why say it if you realize its moot? Logic is lost on no one.
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DeepDark, The Landscaper
Indeed Is A Parallel To
God's Great L o v e
Of Mankind Even
Before H e
Created
Them.
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If you insist on making this comparison, then it is obvious by the state of our world, God is one lousy gardener.
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I think, since we started thinking and developing self-will, god (whichever one you like) expects us to start taking care of ourselves. How long to you clean a child's room before you expect them to start picking up after themselves?

I made the remark about atheists so show that I do not discount their beliefs. I should have phrased it: If you are an atheist, which is your right, of course all this is moot TO YOU.

If this is insufficient clarification, then I admit I am unable to clarify it to you. I will desist lest this descend into quarreling. Joy to the world and joy to you and yours.
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Appreciate your even handedness, Deep. We, as the supposed children of such a God, have certainly done a poor job of managing our 'rooms'.
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Similar To Planning To Have
A Baby, Parents General-
ly Want To Procreate
An Extension Of
Themselves
To Love.
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Scripture Quote
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John 3:16
The Message (MSG)
16-18 This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life.
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God didn't go to all the trouble of sending his Son merely to point an accusing finger, telling the world how bad it was. He came to help, to put the world right again.
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Anyone who trusts in him is acquitted; anyone who refuses to trust him has long since been under the death sentence without knowing it. And why?
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Because of that person's failure to believe in the one-of-a-kind Son of God when introduced to him.

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Ok im a christian ok but as a human being the doubt is built in ok so dont shoot ok : what if he was bored !

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Betty you surprise me. Why not fall back on the old reliable " it's a mystery" or the insulting "we can't comprehend his whole purpose"? Your views to this point seemed solidly in lockstep with the old Book of Fables, I wonder why you would raise such a point, or are you just trolling?

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Just wanted people to know that God loves them !
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I'm old .. What is trolling exactly
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Because He WANTED to.

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Because god wanted something to worship him. He probably cares very little for us if there is a god.

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Luke 6:35 ... you will be sons of the most High...simply put, God wants a big family

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Mormons have a scripture in which God states "This is my work and my glory - to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man". I think this defines His role and our place in that role. This suggests that all that He has done, does, and will do is to enable us (His children) to achieve a state of becoming as He is - to be able to share in all that He has, to receive of His fullness, and enjoy the quality of life He enjoys. His work consists of creating the conditions necessary for this to occur. This work began in our premortal state, continues now in mortality, and will continue in the eternities. These conditions include providing the directives (commandments) and enabling us to keep these commandments. These commandments provide the information regarding what is needed to grow into becoming an exalted beings. Mortality is a time in which much of this work (growth) is to be completed. To grow appropriately the state of mortality requires the conditions to learn good from evil, oppositional forces (a role for Satan) to overcome which is a strengthening process, agency which God respects and will not remove even though He has been criticized for not removing it and thus terrible things have happened, repentance and forgiveness (made possible by the atonement) which removes the restrictions which can result from mistakes made in the learning and growing process. The commandment "love the Lord thy God" rather than reflecting the selfishness of a very insecure Being could instead represent the greatest growth promoting force there is. Prior to His ascension, Christ asked Peter three times "lovest thou me?" Each time Peter stated he did, and three times he received the answer "feed my sheep". What greater good is there than "feeding the sheep"? Love of God provides the motivation for developing the ability to keep this commandment and the willingness to keep it. To develop this ability and willingness could well require ones greatest effort. If and when it is achieved it will result in an exalted person saying "love me and keep my commandments". In this God will experience glory.

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Betty, good question. What is your opinion?

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