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Why do creationists attempt to rationalize their belief that evolution isn't correct while admitting that micro evolution is correct?

The two concepts are one and the same. For instance, it's like saying that you believe in inches and not feet. Over time, one becomes the other. There is nothing but generations separating the two. By this logic, they are one and the same. The two terms just measure different points in evolution.

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Creationists use the reverse engineering formula for their logic, start with a premise (the Earth is 6000 years old) then use the science that helps lead to the desired conclusion and ignore the science that refutes it. To them this makes complete sense but they don't seem to realize how foolish it appears to others.

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Nicely put. *star*
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Its there religion you cant change what they beleive

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They have to square it up with themselves somehow..Hence, rationalization.

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I think you're confusing microevolution with macroevolution in that sense, in which marcoevolution is only a theory.

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@Jho: In everyday usage, the word "theory" can be equivalent to an opinion--as in "I have a theory about how my lunch went missing from the office refrigerator". But theory as used in science represents a conclusion which is based on scientific facts, and for which there is no viable, scientific evidence to refute it. Therefore, a theory is accepted as fact until it is disproved by other scientific facts.
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Only a theory? You might have well said "I know nothing about science what-so-ever".

Neither are a theory, neither are a hypothesis, both are BS invented by creationists.

Evolution however us a scientific theory. It is also a fact. Would it be more convincing to you if it were 'the law of evolution'?
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Yes Caltex as in the "theory of gravity"
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In the literal term is what I'm using the word. Microeveloution does not disprove creation. It has been observes in labs many times over. I am very familiar with the studies on both ends. However in my opinion I believe either you are not familiar with the arguments or you are not familiar with the theory of evaluation. I'm not gonna argue back and forth, I was just putting my two cents in.
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There is no such thing as microevolution. There is just evolution.

And evolution along with just about every science from chemistry to geology disproves creation.
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Perhaps micro-evolution is not a scientifically sanctioned term, but the following deals with the subject of observable evolution for those who wish to read it: http://notexactlyrocketscience.wordpress.com/2006/11/23/natural-selection-does-a-handbrake-turn-quick-evolution-at-work/
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Actual biologist here. No such thing as micro and macro evolution- just evolution. Both adaption and speciation (the actual terms) are the same mechanisms over different time periods and we've witnessed both.

Say you have a car, and every day you change one feature about that car- the color, the bumper, the hubcaps. By the end of a week you've still got basically the same car- that's adaption. By the end of a few months- not the same car structurally. That's speciation.
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Please don't even talk about macro and micro evolution. It is creationist propaganda, and its playing into their hands. Scientists don't talk in those terms, there is no micro or macro, there is just evolution.

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Very true.
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True. I was bothered by how many times that came up.
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Not all only some, you are implying that all creationist believe that. You need to say some not all.

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Christians accept the creation story by faith in an effort to find meaning for their existence. What's wrong with that. Evolution is still a theory and adaptation is not evolution altho many would like to have you believe so. So far we Americans have the right to believe what we want about anything. I believe I'll have some more ice cream :)

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Uh, no. A theory in science is the highest level of acceptance an idea gets. Gravity is a theory. The heliocentric model of the solar system is a theory.

Adaption leads to speciation when it builds up over time. To claim it can't is like this: you have a car, and every day you change one feature about that car. The bumper, the color, whatever. By the end of the first week, you've still got the same car structurally. By the end of a few months? Not the same car at all.

No different mechanisms. Just time.
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And mutation.
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And natural selection.
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Of course- I meant the mechanisms aren't different and the only difference between what creationists call "micro" and "macro" evolution is time.
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Because quite frankly creationists are stunningly ignorant.

Saying "microevolution" is somehow different than "macro evolution" is like saying drops of water dripped into a glass can never equal one cup of water.

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They're grasping for straws because they know they're wrong. In this case they've created their own straws to grasp.
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Not all of us are stunningly ignorant. :)
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Good job skepti!
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Sorry, but evolution denial requires stunning ignorance of science, just like belief in a flat earth does.

And yes, there are still sadly people who believe in flat earth.
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Not even ignorance. Damn right lies quite often. Some of those that push creationism have been told time and time again that they are misrepresenting what evolution is, they have had it explained to them, yet they persist. It can only be described as lying. Crocoducks and 'no transitional forms' spring to mind. Not to mention phoney credentials.

But if you are making a good living selling books and DVDs to gullible people who are desperate to believe and will swallow anything that supports their faith, why let truth get in the way?
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In the end those scientists who see plenty of evidence for creation are concerned about speculations on the "theory" of evolution being taught as fact
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Except there aren't any. There is no debate in the scientific community over whether evolution happens.

And if you knew even the basics of science, you'd know a theory is the highest level of support an idea gets. Gravity is a theory. The heliocentric model of the solar system is a theory. Theories EXPLAIN facts. Evolution, like gravity, is both a fact and a theory.

Sorry, but you guys will just have to accept facts and catch up to this century.
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The JW's interestingly admit that the earth may be older then 6k years stating that each day of creation was more then 24 hrs, and may not have been consecutive periods. But the bad part is they still insist that humans are only 6k years old.

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Mah! I'm a creationist that believes in evolution! When science fails, (like how the first life came), religion buts in for me. It's all very much planned.

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Abiogenesis has not failed.
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Certainly hasn't. And abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution.

Wild, if you accept evolution you aren't actually what is commonly termed a creationist. Usually the term for people who accept evolution but just think their god created or guided the process is that you believe in theistic evolution.
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Many creationists do not believe in that concept.i am a pagan creationist and I don't believe in it.in my point of view,your NOT at all a creationist if you believe in that micro evolution.

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