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every time some gets shoot that's proof, every time someone survives cancer that's proof, when people are healed of aids that proof, when some one comes face to face with death put God pulls him back and saves his life that's proof. look at the stars the moon all the different colors all the shapes and designs of the sky and the ground. look at us. every single organ vain bone was places and together exactly were it needed it to be to function. so to say there is no proof is stupidity in its self. believe. open your eyes its all round you

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sorry for my miss spelling i was typing really fast
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Amen, Sammy!!
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All our organs, veins, and bones are in "the right place" because the prototype mammals that came before us which did not have those advantages did not survive to reproduce. And the only reason they are considered to be in "the right place" is because that is all we have ever known. Had we evolved with eyes in our hands, our brains in our chest cavity, and our lungs in our gut, those would be considered as in "the right place". To say we were designed that way by some supernatural intelligence is to say sugar was designed taste good because we like sugar, rather than we like sugar because it tastes good.

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These people are beyond stupid. Thanks, cal.
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You're right @Cal, but faith is more blinding then blindness it's self, once somebody has it in their head that their right, its almost impossible to even get other ideas across. And btw @Sammy, you can't be healed of AIDS, there is no cure for it. "So to say there is no proof is stupidity" proof is hard evidence, not an opinion. To say everything you see is proof that there is a higher being is like looking at a city that is abandoned and saying "well they must of abandoned the city because God made them" without any evidence of such, nor without looking into other possibilities. Its closed mindedness. Greek mythology is no different from Christianity. Both looked to explain everything by simple judgments, and ignored other possibilities. That to me is stupidity.
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Sammy has the dumbest logic I've ever seen, and I've seen some dumb logic on this site. Wow, so every time a child dies of cancer this is a sign of god, every time a child is born without the ability to see or hear this is a sign of god, every time someone gets shot and dies this is a sign of god...... blah, blah, blah, you people live in a dream world of nonsense.
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When a Christian who thinks his word is 100% correct and they try and prove it using everyday occurrences that have full on scientific evidence just goes to show how ignorant and hard headed most religious people can be. If you want to make your point don't be stupid...
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Only when I had a near death experience. Yes. He's real.

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it's amazing what a near death experience can do for somebody's beliefs, it forever changed me and my outlook on things,..I'm happy that you also a survivor
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Thank you!
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I heard about that but I never got to read the original post. Can you retell me the stroy or at least post the link? Thanks (^:
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No? Either shes ignoring me or typing a veeeeeery long post. One or the other.
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It's my personal story. I made a big mistake when I was about 17. Tried to end my life. Ended up in an ER. But when I did it, I "floated" up. Someone/something gently pushed me down and said, " not yet". I came back and the ER nurse asked me to live with her. She's the one who convinced to go into medicine. I'm sorry for the story.
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I'm sorry to bring it up again I just had to know.
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Fascinated by this sort of thing, you know.
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thank you candybar
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Love you Bagdad. You're so understanding.
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Thanks for sharing that, Candybar! God bless!!
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Love you candybar.
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We're here.

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Read my story above.
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That can be explained by science.
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Yeah, by coming up with a ridiculously complex theory that defies (literally) astronomical odds. Let me put it this way, I dont like any religion that claims only a very few people can truly understand and everyone else is just supposed to follow them. Thats why (among many other reasons) I dont like Catholicism and thats why (also among many other reasons) I dont like creation *science*.
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@Rex: So you don't believe in science just because it sounds ridiculous? To me, that just makes YOU sound ridiculous. Here's a tip: OPEN YOUR MIND!
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Thats not what I said at all. Read.
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There is no scientific proof that a divine being, or god(s) exist. If there was, I'd imagine that there would be a more unified religion other then a bunch of religions spread across the planet.

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You are ignorant of the fact that Christians take up 1/3 of the human population and that Muslims, Jews, and Christians combined take up at least 2/3rd of the population
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That's still not 100% Wrath.
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Are you the ignorant one? Christianity is the largest religion on Earth, but of course its broken into hundreds of smaller divisions. Christianity only takes up around 34%/ 35% of the Earths population. the Muslim religion has over 1 billion followers and is the fastest growing religion on Earth, and so does Hinduism. Buddhism also has a really big chuck of followers. Judaism doesn't have a bad number of followers either. Not to mention the large amount of smaller beliefs of religions. There is also the Baha faith, pagan cultures, etc. Atheist though is on the rise too. You are extremely misguided. By the way, did you know Hinduism is much older then Christianity? Seems to me since its older, it would be a much more respected faith.
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Not gonna argue this with you right now, but Christianity, Judaism, Islam and the Baha'i faith all worship different interpretations of the same God. If He still talked to us openly to this very day, I imagine we'd still fight about it. Human nature, you know.
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The fact that people feel a need to worship some form of God is proof to me. Atheists suppress it, but I promise you in times of trouble you're going to get really religious, really fast.
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I believe Baha actually has something to do with the worship of all religions or something along those lines, including Hinduism and Buddhism. But even still, if there was proof, we wouldn't be as divided as we are today. And if he came out of the sky and waved at me, then I'd believe in him, but as an atheist, I am not suppressing him. I simply see no proof in him, so I do not worship him. All religion proves is people are afraid of the unknown, and want an explanation for every day things. The want to know that they will be rewarded in the after life, or that the bad people will be punished eventually. That is no proof of God.
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2 Corinthians 4:1-6

1 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
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James, how are quotes from a 1600 year old book proof of anything? Does that mean I should believe Alice actually went done the rabbit hole? You Christians only make sense to yourselves.
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@James why do you give me a useless Bible quote that you know I will not take the time out to read?
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The Bible is 100% true.

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Accept for some of the outdated old law
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You honestly think that? You really should do some more research on the content of the Bible and its origins...
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Its origins are an amazing feat of divine intervention. Writers who had no idea that the other existed and were separated by hundreds of years some how managed to write a seamless work of continuous literature that carries on to this very day. It took lifetimes to complete the bible we know today
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I'm sorry but it is not.
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Yeah it is. Sorry.
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I'm not going to change my whole religion just because some random people say no.
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It's really something that you personally believe. No one has the answer to that though.

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If there is no answer no reason no logic or proof. How can you believe?
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Rayman he just said its something you believe, he doesn't need proof it's just something to keep you going. Don't be an ass and do something better with your time than messing with people who aren't messing with you. Who cares what religion someone is if they aren't pressing it on you
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There is proof everywhere. Some just believe differently in how it all came to be

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Yes. We are proof :D

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There is absolutely no proof even after thousands of years.

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Proof is what you make of it.
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No. Proof is proof. It's not proof just because you believe it is. Trees, clouds, oceans, animals, us, stars, etc. are not proof.
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Then how did all those things get here? :P They didn't just magically appear. God created them.
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Lol you're saying that they didn't magically appear, but god made them magically appear?
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All you did was give into to one of the most common logical fallacies. You don't know anything so you automatically assume the magical spirit abrahamic god just poofed it all into existence.
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Remember me? God made them from His will. Not magically.
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Creating a woman out of a rib and a man out of dust sounds a lot like magic.
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It isn't magic. It may seem like that but God isn't a sorcerer sitting on a big throne in heaven.
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2 Corinthians 4:1-6

1 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
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I believe there is proof of God's existence in the observation of the natural world and it's workings. (The existence of a watch implies a watchmaker) However there is no scientific empirical evidence that can be tested and confirmed.

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Please read this so you can understand the problem with the watchmaker creator argument. http://www.jhuger.com/the-watchmaker
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No! If there were any proof at all we would all be followers. There is logical reasoning however that can only lead us to believe that the gods man has created so far are just that, made-up.

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Faith is for fools.
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Or the lazy.
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How is faith for the lazy or fools? It is not foolish to have faith. And u are definately not lazy if u have faith either.
Faith sees the invisible, believes the unbelievable, and receives the impossible. :)
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It's lazy to not seek the truth but instead just stop at "god did it." It's lazy to not educate yourself in the world of science and just say "god did it" It's lazy to allow terrible and preventable things from occurring and just say "god works in mysterious ways"
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But what if the truth is God did it? You're not lazy by saying that, the people who educate themselves in the world of "science" are just overachievers.
Terrible things happen bcz God gave us free will. We all make mistakes, but God is there to get us back on track.
The reason u don't believe is cuz u've never let God into your life. I bet if u did, He would change your life. :) He changed mine. :D
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I was a Christian for the first 14 years of my life, then I woke up and learned the truth for myself.
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8-(
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believe in a man made idea or a God made thing
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Let me put it this way. How are we here if not for God? How was there a Bible? I believe in Christ.

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Science explains why we are here. Many other holy books have stood the test of time.
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Science may explain many things, but not that we are here by chance. There are many different beliefs out in the world. You have your belief, I have mine. I believe that God is the reason we are here and I worship him with my life.
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Tell me your definition of "proof" and I might be able to answer you.

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No, there is no proof to it. Variables in physics, biological factors, and so many more determine the stuff that people say only a god can do.

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well you could look at revelations [ last book of the bible] and see how many of the prophesies are coming true [ i'm not saying the worlds going to end]. you could also look at the scientific evidence, like how here was a giant flood that covered the middle east around the time that Noah was in the ark.

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No, there was no giant flood that covered the world. Look at real science.
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Yes there is. Look around.

Romans 1:18-21

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

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Star, James!!
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James, you have provided the perfect scriptures once again! that one says so many things we can place our confidence in! You get my star too! Bye! Beth
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It is not given to us to prove or disprove God's existence, it must be taken on faith. I believe in God's existence. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe (John 20:29). But, I respect the opinions of those who don't. Blessed Be.

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You are proof! But there is no scientific proof but its something you personally believe. Read the bible and you will truly be touched.(:

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By the stonings?
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The bible disgust me, it's entirely messed up and obviously not written by and all forgiving eternal being
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Does anything exist with out a creator everything hade to be made think about it with out wheat no bread with out trees no apple with out chicken no eggs no god then nothing

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Not really. Not everything needs a sentient creator.
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It is my view that everythng has a natural origin. Not a supernatural one. Not that I have anything against the supernatural. I used to be a theist. I am just not willing to cede to the idea that the universe is of supernatural origin simply because I have no definitive proof to the contrary. If I came to believe in a supernatural origin for that reason, then why would I rule out belief in any of the other hundreds of creation naratives throughout history?

If I accept a supernatural origin, why should I expect it to stop there? There would be no logical reason to think that a plane will not suddenly be unaffected by natural law and begin falling to the ground? Or that the natural laws of resistence and displacement will make my car brakes stop functioning. Without natural law there can be no predictability--only chaos.
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Do you have a mother why you should no need on if you need no creator
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@Religousman: That things exist is not evidence of God. It is evidence of a cause. That cause might be supernatural and it might not. But being uncertain is no reason to say with certainty that God did it. In fact, there are thousands of different religious beliefs, each their own creation mythology. Perhaps it's one of those other thousands. Or perhaps it is a supernatural cause no one ever thought of. Or maybe it is a natural cause that we have not yet discovered. Anyway, I am waiting for conclusive evidence. Not hope.
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26 Behold, God is great, and we know him not, neither can the number of his years be searched out.
Job 36:26
God just IS. when we look around us & see His mighty creation : we are without excuse to believe in Him.

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The proof is there; the question is will you accept it?

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There is no non- faith-based evidence that the supernatural exists.

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2 Corinthians 4:1-6

1 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
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Thank you, James, but I'm not sure if you intended to make my point for me by quoting scripture from a book which requires faith to accept its validity.
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This is perhaps the most-asked question in this section. There is no apriori proof for or against the Almighty, merely indicators. This is likely due to the nature of faith: it first requires belief that there is a God, before confirmatory evidence is observed.
The good news for argument with an atheist: there is no evidence that God does not exist, as one cannot have evidence of non-existence. There is only argument. The nature of reality is assumed by the observer, and this point of view changes the way we observe reality. The principle is similar to the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, as our observation of reality changes it in subtle ways. For my point of view, no evidence is needed; for an atheist, no evidence is possible. Both are true.

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Ultimately, I think if you look for him you will find him, but for me personally when I look at my past experiences it's clear to me that I have had a guiding figure in my life. So for me my past experiences and events are proof that God exists. I can't say everyone has experiences that indicate God's existence because I don't know, but I'd take a second look at the events that have happened in your life

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There are people who live in poverty in third-world countries, who are disease-ridden & could easily be cured with modern medicine that they don't have access to, but they know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Jesus is their Lord & Savior. & here we are, in our modern, multiple-room homes, staying warm & sheltered from the cold air outside, typing on our laptops, smartphones, & iPads as we sit in front of our HD television sets? & we are the ones who question the existence of God?

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If your willing to let your rational mind and reason be overridden by being bombarded with extravagant logical fallacy then there is proof. If your a rational skeptical person with a passion for the truth then you wont see more evidence for god than for santa claus. but don't take my word for it- ask them for a finger nail.

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no although there's undefined proof being the exsitance of the universe, but that's all speculation.

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First - start with yourself - look at how beautifully you are made. You do not have one eye in the middle of your forehead. Your legs are of equal proportion. The sun shine upon the righteous and the unrighteous. The earth is totally balanced.

Revelation 4:11 - “You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created.”

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Tell that to a kid with elephantiasis.
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If we had evolved over millions of years to have one eye in the middle of our foreheads, a person with two eyes on either side of the bridge of the nose would be freaks of nature. Having two eyes is good, so therefore God made us with two eyes is a case of putting the cart before the horse. We evolved to have two eyes so having two eyes is good is the more accurate way to look at it. And btw, spiders have eight eyes, so is that good or bad?
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the bible is the book of life and it is from way back then..... everything in the bible is real and it says god is real and true

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There's no proof that God is real. But I go by "faith"; not "proof". I love God, loved God, and will always love God.

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Its really wierd that all the proof happened for about 100-200 years over 2000 years ago and not one instance since then.

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Christians will say the Bible, Athiests will say there is no proof, etc. Pick one.

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When we see a camera, a radio, or a computer, we readily acknowledge that it must have been produced by an intelligent designer. Would it be reasonable, then, to say that far more complex things-the eye, the ear, and the human brain-did not originate with an intelligent Designer?

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This type of assumed attribution is just a form of personification. Existence of a thing is not evidence of an intelligent designer, but rather of a cause. Humans designed computers using brains and dexterity that evolved over hundreds of millions of years. So one can say the cause that led to computers and radios is evolution. A natural cause seems far more rational and likely than a supernatural cause since there is no material proof of the supernatural.

But the bottom line is this: Just because something cannot be readily explained--either generally or in detail--is not evidence of the supernatural. It just means we don't have enough information yet. Perhaps a supernatural cause will be found eventually, but it is not logical or rational to simply plug holes in our knowledge of the natural world with supernatural concepts.
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Thank you for your response. Richard Lewontin, an influential evolutionist, candidly wrote that many scientists are willing to accept unproven scientific claims because they have a prior commitment to a theory that everything in the universe, including all life, came into existence without any supernatural intervention. Is this what you believe?
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@Proudfather: I used to believe in a supernatural cause. However, after about 60 years of contemplating the evidence, acknowledging that everything I know about the supernatural is based on what I was taught and societal expectations, and an expanded worldview which finds that there is little consistency in the creation narratives of the various supernatural belief systems, I now acknowledge that I don't know what the cause is for sure, but as Occam's Razor would indicate, it is more likely to be a natural cause than a supernatural cause--like expecting the sound of hoof beats to be indicative of horses rather than zebras or unicorns.
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In your life experience you have no doubt seen how children ask many questions. As we grow up, many people tend to stop asking questions especially the most important ones. However, it appears that in your life journey you have continued to ask questions and seek answers which is commendable. When you refer to Occam's Razor do you feel that a natural cause is simpler and more preferable of an explanation for intelligent design because the thought of a supernatural cause would involve faith? What is your definition of faith?
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@Proudfather: My definition of faith is accepting as fact that which has no material evidence. As to Occam's Razor, it is not so much a simpler explanation as it is a more likely explanation. Everyday of our lives we experience, consciously or subconsciously, the natural as opposed to the supernatural. When things go up, they come down. When something starts moving, it moves until resistance stops it from moving. There is virtually nothing that happens on a daily basis that does not have a natural explanation. When faced with the origin of the universe, and not having a definitive explanation, it seems to be quite a leap to assume there is supernatural cause behind it when our life experiences in the natural world have natural explanations.
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"Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld." (Hebrews 11:1) True faith is not credulity, that is, a readiness to believe something without sound evidence or just because a person wants it to be so. Genuine faith requires basic or fundamental knowledge, acquaintance with evidence, as well as heartfelt appreciationof what that evidence indicates. Thus, although it is impossible to have real faith without accurate knowledge, the Bible says that it is "with the heart" that one exercises faith (Romans 10:10).
The planets in our solar system, also the stars in the entire universe, move at a rate that is more precise than most clocks designed and manufactured by man. These clocks allow us to tell time in this natural world and hence are very important in dealing with matters that are time sensitive such as when a project has a deadline for business meeting that is scheduled at a certain specific time. So the origin of the raw material of which the complicated vast universe is made, scientists have learned that matter is a concentrated form of energy. This is demonstrated with the explosion of nuclear weapons. From where could such energy come? The Bible states regarding Jehovah God, "Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one of them is missing." (Isaiah 40:26)
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People have NDEs and most have some sort of similar aspect. A bright light, a bridge, you name it. They are common and I think this is more proof of an afterlife(heaven).
And look around! Could everything around you really have been made by pure chance? Luck of the draw?
Also there is actually scientific evidence that the plagues of Moses actually did happen! It's true I promise!

I'm a catholic btw :)

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NDEs are the result of hypoxia in the brain causing hallucinations. It's been studied.

And there is no scientific evidence of plagues in Egypt. In fact, there is no evidence the Hebrews ever WERE in Egypt, and the Egyptians didn't even hold slaves then. There is no evidence Moses ever existed. These events are mentioned nowhere but the Bible and have no corroborating archaeological or historical evidence.
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Look at recent studies on nde's bro it'll blow your mind, science is on the verge if proving there is an afterlife
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I'm a woman, not your "bro", and a professional biologist myself.

Sorry, but scientific evidence shows NDEs are oxygen-deprivation hallucinations, occurring in the 18% of cardiac resuscitation a with elevated blood pressures. Science shows no indication of any afterlife.
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Isn't it past your bedtime kiddo?
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You started the insults, kid. Run along now. You're boring everyone here with more than two working neurons.
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yes. Lots in fact.
1. How did life begin in the first place?
2. (for the people that believe in the Big Bang Theory) What caused the big bang to happen?
3. How did living things get the ability to breathe?
4. How would injuries (like cuts) heal if we were made from things like dirt, magma, etc. if dirt infects wounds?

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Your answer is just a giant logical fallacy.
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Most of the answers to the questions you have posed seem to presume that since we do not have definitive proof, then a supernatural cause is inserted to fill in the gap. Lack of proof is proof of nothing. Virtually everything we experience in this natural world on a daily basis has a natural explanation. Why, then, should it be assumed that there is NOT a natural explanation for things we don't know? That there is a cause is not evidence that it was caused by the supernatural--not to mention one, specific supernatural deity. It is evidence of a cause. All we need to do is find out what that cause is. And there are people hard at work trying to find those answers. Now it may turn out to be that there is a supernatural cause for these things, but it is premature to assume that.

Other than that, it should be noted that evolution took millions of years with lots of dead ends that didn't work. For instance, when a lake dried up and there were fish which had mutations that allowed them to live longer than other fish without water, those fish were able to procreate while the other fish died before they could. Eventually this mutation became an attribute and we had our first amphibians. Then came lungs later on down the road.

Also, dirt does not infect wounds. Germs do. I would suggest doing some more study in biology.
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Actually I also have several experiences that are proof to me that He is real.
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@Furry: I had such experiences when I was a believer, but I later came to realize that is was simply a case of wishful thinking. I so much wanted the experiences to be a connection to the supernatural that I allowed my mind to take the realities of the situation and subconsciously embellish them to suit my desires.

In one case I fell asleep a number of nights with tears in my eyes praying to Jesus to take my life and do with it as he pleased. Soon afterward I found out about the Baha'i Faith in a very unusual way which led me to be a Baha'i for the next 13 years. In reality I was primed for a different religious experience and an article caught my eye which never would have had I been in another state of mind. But at the time it was evidence of the God's power.

But if you feel you are better person for believing in God, then that is fine. I was a better person my religious experiences, too.
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That whole post was a giant "I don't know the first thing about science therefore magic".
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@ caltex: I have died from suffocation at 2 years old in my moms arms. I was dead for several minutes with no brain activity. I came back with absolutely no brain damage. If there is no God then please tell me how I could have no brain damage at all with proof of how.
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That is just one of my many experiences.
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Again with the "I don't understand it therefore magic".

Plenty of people experience cardiac death with no resultant brain damage. I'm one of them. And if you claim you god is responsible, then how do you justify the huge number of people who are revived with major brain damage? God busy that day? Didn't care for that kid? Works in mysterious ways? Sorry, but if you claim your god is responsible you not only need to prove it, but you have to explain the millions of people who don't get a wonderful recovery.
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@ skeptikitten: if you have nothing to do other than call people liars, why are you even on here?
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I never called you a liar, I simply stated that your explanation that "god" must be responsible doesn't hold water.

Though technically no one comes back from "no brain activity". Not once.
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I did.
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Then let's see some documented medical evidence because you'd be the first in history.
Cardiac death allows for revival. Brain death doesn't. And if you were on your mother's arms how would you have known? Brain activity can only be determined by being hooked up to a lot of machines. It also takes the brain several minutes to die after the heart stops,
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let's take a little time to think about what I was saying. 2 year old baby---dead for several minutes---died in mother's arms---came back after several minutes had gone by. You just said that it takes the brain "several minutes" to go dead. I have told you that I was dead for several minutes before you even said that. also the younger you are the quicker you can become brain dead. same for people that are old. let's put that together. Do you think a 2 year old baby can go 5 minutes of cardiac arrest without going brain dead? I definitely do not think so.
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How on earth can you claim you had no brain activity when there was nothing there to measure it?
And yes- in even an average person four to five minutes is what it takes for brain death but that's just an average. Some more, some less.

In other words- you are claiming you are a medical phenomenon completely unknown to medical science just because you THINK you are. If you were able to be revived, you didn't have "no brain activity". That's how the body works.

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for one thing, there was no hospital nearby. For another, I was not revived by electricity at all. The thing I was choking on came out my mouth and I was back. Also, it is not just because I "think I am". I also said that that is only one of the experiences.
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Let me ask you something. Do you believe that there are such things as miracles?
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@Furry: So you were choking and there was no means of measuring either heart or brain activity. All we know for sure is that you were not breathing. You could have had an undetected pulse, but without the proper equipment to measure it, we can't really conclude you were in cardiac arrest. Therefore, we have gone from brain dead to suffocating. I am glad you survived this ordeal, but this is an example of what I was saying about my own experiences. You wanted it to be an act of God, so you subconsciously enhanced the story with brain death because that would truly be a miracle. We are not calling you a liar. We are only looking at the evidence as stated and cannot concur with your assessment.
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I would add that I am sure you have related this story to other believers and their response was likely something along the lines of "Praise God." They had no reason to analyze it because they just assume that this kind of things happens occasionally due to God's intervention (still wondering about Skepti's comment about why God lets other children suffer the rest of their lives with brain damage.) But we don't make such assumptions. We question EVERYthing.
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I have not told very much people that are believers, and none of them told me anything of the sort. I also at times feel that some people (especially on internet) are not happy that I survived (kind of) that ordeal
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@Furry: We may not agree on issues of religion and science, but I can't imagine anyone being anything but glad that you survived. If, in all our exchanges, Skeptikitten or I gave you that impression, my profound apologies.
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Agreed. We're not saying it's not a good thing you survived, we're saying that considering there were no medical personnel on hand it is extraordinarily unlikely you even experienced cardiac death.
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I'm an actual scientist. The "retarded" ones are childish people who think that insulting folks is a substitute for having an actual argument or intelligence.

That's you, dear.
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No I pick out specific people to insult, the ones who can't stop fingering themselves with the information they feel they understand so much better than everyone around them.

That's you miss lady bro
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Your ignorance and demeanor make it clear you're a child. Run along now, the grown ups are speaking.
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