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How could you read revelation 21, and not want heaven?

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Because Revelations is even more ridiculous than the other claims of the bible, and we don't actually believe they are true.

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why do atheists bother acknowledging that people believe in God at all? People believe all sorts of ridiculous things that atheists don't care about, so why does it matter to them if one of those things is God?

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So you're admitting that your god is ridiculous? No, we are just annoyed at these preachy questions being shoved down everyone's throats.
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Exactly. If you people would keep your beliefs to yourselves and out of our laws, schools, and government we wouldn't care what you believe.
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Besides Deb- in case you didn't notice unbelievers are the people this question was about. Unless you're acknowledging none of you really want answers to these questions but merely use them as excuse to preach or insult non-Christians.
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altough I wouldn't have worded it like thst, Deb, ur point is one ive always wondered about. why DOES it bother an atheist so much that we believe in God ? ;-)
Ridiculous claims, eh skeptikitten? lol....more like well proven and time-tested promises that those of us who have bothered to seriously try and live by have watched come true time and time again. Tell me what u don't believe in--but don't even bother to tell me something I've already experienced as REAL is just a "ridiculous claim" you came too late to tell me God isn't alive and His Word isn't true. Ive met Him and found He can be known. I've tried His Word and find each promise to be true.

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Again- we don't care WHAT you believe in if you would just keep it to yourselves and stop pushing your beliefs on us.

Worship tree fairies for all I care- just keep it to yourself.
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Tree fairies seem more logical. At least we could find them and examine them if they were real.
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Religions that worship nature deities are also far more peaceful and tolerant than the Abrahamic religions.
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lol...you'd find something to complain about;-) never forget my dear, telling u what I believes isn't exactly "pushing" it on u. I'm pretty sure even the proclaiming and pushing is constitutionally sound. its definitely Biblically sound. and since ib have to answer ti God and not u, ill have to chose to irritate u a little and not Him....
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The point is you people expect respect for your religion yet give none. You shove your beliefs at anyone who gets near you. And it isn't constitutionally sound when you try to push them into laws, schools, or government.

People like you think it's find to harass people by preaching and proselytizing, yet throw a fit when an atheist simply states they don't believe your god exists. They are also the same ones who claim that fighting to keep religion and the government separate is somehow pushing our nonexistent beliefs on you, but that you doing it is "helping".

Give the respect that you expect from others.
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Easy, by not believing it. Now let's try not to be so offensive next time, keep in mind that there are more people than Christians in the world. Please be more respectful, thank you.

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100% agreed.
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What religion are you?
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I'm a Christian.
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What ?
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21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ 24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.
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Amen Sherlock
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Amen! Sherlock.
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Wow, you can cut and paste. Bravo.
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FINALLY! I have some people on my side before I was all alone!
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What do you mean? I'm on your side
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Good morning ThatGirlMARZ. Yes, I read that you are a christian. That is great and certainly I am not saying you are not. I realized on rereading that, I did not finish my thought. Christ left us with a commission. Actually a command. Mark 16:15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. " This will usually result in unpopularity, criticism, and attack. It is not an easy command to follow, and we must develop a tough skin to withstand the Skeptics (No pun intended skeptikitten). I am not saying we should force our faith on others, but we are to share the gospel in the open market of thought. What they do with it is up to them. Our job is to share it and sometimes we must be creative in how we present it.
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?
We must care more about what God thinks about us than the world thinks about us. Happy new year- Sherlock
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Amen! Brother.Sherlock.
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right on Sherlock....
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lol I've been able to quote that, not cut and paste, since I was a child. don't judge by your own mentality skeptikitten
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Sorry, kiddo, but I know the bible better than most believers. Most American atheists used to be Christians.

You realize simply spitting back memorized Scripture is usually the recourse of someone who can't think for himself?
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lol
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Yes, it is amusing when people simply vomit up some rote scripture rather than thinking for themselves.

Oh, and how do you expect people to take you seriously when you use text speak like a teenager?
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By being an agnostic.

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Because they are blinded of the god of this world.

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But, the bible tell us that "Satan is the god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4)!! Is it not good to be blinded of Satan - the god of this world!!
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They ARE veiled, just like you say.
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2 Corinthians 4:1-6

1 Therefore, since we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we do not lose heart. 2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. 5 For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
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right james! that's the sad truth of it: I'd the gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost. ignorance wint be an excuse on judgement day.
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James is right may be for now they can't see the truth but may be latter they will there still is hope
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just to oppose your quotation from bible, let us see what other god's book has tio say about the same issue:

Chapter 2, Verse 111: And they say, "None will enter Paradise except one who is a Jew or a Christian." That is [merely] their wishful thinking, Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."

Chap 9, Verse 30: ...The Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. ...How are they deluded?

Does any of the quotes above prove that Christianity is a false religion? If not, how come bible's saying about unbelief be true? Moreover, can the bible afford to say any different in its own defense?
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Those of you who say the Bible, has some "fake" information, is so wrong! (not to disrespect your religion) If there was no God, how could the earth come to be?

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Use proper grammar. "Are" is the proper terminology. Anyway, you offer no proof of why you are correct.
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The earth collided with theia, which is how the modern planet came to be.
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Zoo: are you a english teacher ?
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Zoo: prove it
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actually that doesnt seem as much of a reliable source heres from nasa.gov
http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/scitech/display.cfm?ST_ID=446
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Physics, kids. Sorry, but just because you don't understand something does not make the answer god.
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That's a nice logical fallacy you've got there.
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Betty, I study the sciences, not the English arts, but I hope to write for National Geographic. I have taken courses in editing and finished at the top of my class.(not to brag, but your phrasing was rude.)
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Thank you Big Bang. That was nice of you.
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well zoo, thats amazing that your aiming to write for nat geo i currently am (trying ) to read the new one about traveling i think? along with wonders of the universe which i got for xmas,
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Big Bang, Nasa isnt always reliable. nice try though. I'm a Pre-Med Chemistry/ bio Marjor, and just happen to hands a genius bro whos worked at nasa fjord years now. They are just people and they make mistakes just like u&I do. The Bible has yet to be proven wrong.
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The bible has so many errors that it's ludicrous. And as a professional scientist, I would advise you ditch the unscientific mindset if you expect to actually get anywhere in the field.
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Those of you who claim the bible is true have a responsibility to prove it. The Greek, Egyptian, Celtic, and Sumerian myths have not been proven wrong either, and yet you dismiss them as false. Why? Because they're ridiculous, just like the claims of the bible.
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lol...but that was my point....ive seen more scientific law and theory disproven! I am a scientist, but I am also a realist. and science isnt infallible. Don't try to build an argument against the Bible using something as wishy washy as science for your basis! oh and youll have yet to give some examples of Bible that are faulty....ill be waiting. by the way, these exsmples Csnt be faulty because u just think they are--and I'm not talking about a grammatical issue here or there either. I await breathlessly....
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I don't believe you are a scientist for a moment. Those of us who are actual professionals in the field can smell a fake a mile away, and the fact that you can barely string together a single sentence is a clue. So is the fact that you are so ignorant of the scientific method you think it is "wishy washy", and that the bible shouldn't have to stand up to critical, evidence based scrutiny like everything else.
And here's just a few if the thousands of scientific errors in the bible-
It claims the earth is the center of the solar system.
It claims that light was created before the SOURCE of light, the sun and other stars.
It claims plants existed before the sun.
It claims bats are birds, rabbits chew cud, and that insects have four legs.
It says pi is three.
It says demons cause disease, and that you can ward off leprosy by wiping animal blood around your house.
It says you can tell if a woman has committed adultery by having her drink holy water mixed with dirt, which will cause her thighs to rot.
It claims the Hebrews were held as slaves in Egypt.
It claims there was a global flood.
It claims all creatures came from single mating pairs.

This is just a short list of some of the silliest ones.
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skepti, jw what kind of scientist are you? my mom was a molecular genetic scientist.
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I'm a microbiologist. My current research is on ESKAPE pathogens- the most troublesome antibiotic resistant bacteria.
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Exactly I'm not the only one

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I don't understand it. We would pay a million dollars for eternal life and Jesus offers it free and THEY say no.

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Truthfully, I don't get it either. I guess it is just the way the world is today. It's sad :(
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Coerced choices requiring blind worship are not "free". Besides, since you can not illustrate any of these things are true we have no more reason to believe the claims of your religion than we do to believe those of Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, or any pagan religion.
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Then don't
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You said you don't understand so I told you why we reject that claim.
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skepti, rejecting EVERY claim is what u seem to do. that proves nothing wrong.
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We're not trying to prove anything wrong- we don't have the burden of proof since we're not the ones making a claim.

You claim your god exists, you have the Burden of Proof to provide evidence. Since you can't we reject your claims as unsupported, like any logical person would.

After all, if I claimed I had an invisible dragon in my garage, would you waste time trying to disprove such an extraordinary claim, or would you sensibly demand extraordinary evidence before believing it?
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See: we cant voice an opinion .. Why not ... You do
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The same way you read the Greek Mythology and not want Olympus!! The easy confidence with which you refuse the Muslims hell, is the same for every non-Christian to reject your god's heaven!!

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Thats why we have free will huh ?
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I had to look up Revelation 21 and my first thought was that if we didn't have a word like hyperbole we'd have to invent it just to describe that one chapter.

My second thought was that (in the KJV) EVERY verse starts with a conjunction. C'mon, this is supposed to be God's word. Surely he could find a decent proofreader up there to correct his writing style.

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Grammar is even less of a priority than is logic.
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We mustn't criticise. God is not only Jewish he comes from a very old strain of Hebrews. At best, English is only his third or fourth language. We shouldn't be too hard on him.
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Blasphemers
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actually, The KJV used extremely proper English grammar. our "American" English. is no judge. but I'm a bit more concerned on the Truth & False side than whether or not a comma is out of place in a statement. lol...if that's how u read God's word, its no wonder the revelation of His truths are hudden from you. He fills the hungry. he draws nigh to the humble, and the proud he knoweth afar off.
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As a matter of fact I rather like the KJV, RM. It is more poetic and has more mystery than some of the later versions. What they gain in accuracy they lose somewhat in panache.

Even so, there's more than a little hyperbole in that particular chapter and, I'll concede that starting every sentence with a conjunction is a literary device, it adds to the overall impact. For a believer that's good. For we who scoff, it's just a tad comical.
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And, RM, I've been missing in action for most of this year. Glad to see you're still on line and fighting the good fight.

And (another and, getting into the conjunctions myself) since it's already toorrow in Australia may I wish yoiu a happy 2013.
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Dozy, Kjv being truer to yhe original hebrew and greek, and then as a bilingual speaker myself, there is always something lost in each new translation. that's y I stick with the originals....good to c u here too. ive been awol about ayear myself, but dem to have stirred up a big of double just today lol!
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lol...bit of trouble. stupid text predict!
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I've just been studying it. I already highly doubt I will go to heaven. If heaven and hell exists I'm afraid most of us will go...... To H E double hockey sticks. Revelations is completely unbelievable to me but it's about symbolism. Even art today uses symbolism as a way to give a deeper hidden message. And that way people think about it more then if thy are just told the "facts" and nothing but the "facts". I like reading revelations, in my opinion it's the most interesting story in the bible.

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You receieve a blessing just for reading it. You sound like you will make heaven. Humility counts a lot.
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I don't know. About that. I think that we are all too corrupted.
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"Humility counts a lot."??
Really?
Well, that leaves you out, Betty.
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Hey come on now. No need for insults.
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That's not an insult. Merely an observation.
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I agree wicked! 100%.
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Can't please everybody.
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Never-Mind - seriously, that spider pic is giving me the willies!
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Sorry.
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Because it's a fairy tale. How could you watch Star Wars and not want an R2 unit?

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For that matter, how could you not want a lightsaber?
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Or a Wookie sidekick with a laser-crossbow?
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Because it was written by a man who was crazy.

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Not only ONE man, but translated by several men thru several different languages.
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Those, that don't believe, WONT believe unless they see it & feel it.
We, that believe & know & feel who HE IS, is because we accepted the invitation, we r spirit in truth & obedience.
He who is called will come. It is a spiritual truth.
There is only one beginning, everything we know started from something. There is only one.

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because some read and yet do not believe. To some its just a fairy tale. but one day, there will be no doubts.

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Wander around the desert with severe vitamin starvation for awhile and you'll have"visions", too.
I recommend food and bed rest,:)

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