Just one of the reasons the all-omni claims of the Judeo-Christian faith doesn't fly.
If their god is omniscient, then he knows what each person will choose in his or her life before he or she does it. That pretty much chicks free will right there. If this god is also omnipotent and a creator of all, that means he created each person knowing what they'd choose. If that is the case, god deliberately chooses to create people despite the fact he knows they'll go to hell. Then there's the fact that he chose to give his revelations and message to a group of largely illiterate nomads in the desert, thus basically ensuring that even today a majority of the world would be another religion. An omniscient god would know that, an omni benevolent one would have used his omnipotent power to do better if he REALLY loved people and wanted them to be "saved". Two thirds of the world isn't Christian- he did a pretty crummy job of getting his message out for an all-powerful, all-loving being.
God absolutely would NOT send billions of people to Hell! He IS loving - and that's why, even though He cannot allow sin in His presence, He sent His Son to pay the penalty for our sin - each and every one of us - as a free gift to us so we could be reunited with Him, eventually in heaven. He love us! AND WE CAN CHOOSE THAT! He's provided for EVERYONE!!!! Because He loves us all. The only thing that could keep someone out of heaven is to reject God's wonderful offer of forgiveness thru His son. Our Choice.
God gives us freewill. He allows us to be and do what we want. He doesn't force us to love Him if we choose to love Him then so be it if not then it breaks his heart for all eternity that he doesn't get to be with us for forever.
I'm sorry if Christians are ugly or mean to you. That's not the way its supposed to be. And it truly breaks my heart to hear it.
I'm still and still and still trying to understand how that almighty god (who knows everything) would punish its (I'm sorry but I don't want to call god "him") own creation FOR EVER, knowing the moment it created him/her, he or she would do what he or she would do EVEN when he/she had the choice. Because no matter what, god is supposed to know. I cannot accept that a god who KNOWS everything would be surprised when lucifer rebelled. God KNEW lucifer would. Now we have the choice. So we look around, learn (using the limited abilities god itself gave us) and chose a path that seems right to our GOD GIVEN tools and next thing BBBAAAAMMM; down in hell forever because we didn't chose that 1 in so many available paths. Having all that said; followers of religions, I don't have anything against you. I DO respect your opinion BUT so far the asked question had not been answered to this humble being. So don't thing I'm proving you wrong. I just have not found the answer even though, and believe me, I have done a little of my share of study and research. But you know what? At the end of the day all that matters is that you and I sit, maybe have a coffee or a drink (whatever suits you) and enjoy watching a game without forgetting to smile at all times. Cheers
God has given all people enough evidence to know that he exists. Nonetheless, people choose not to know him. Therefore, God is giving people what they want.
God wants all people to be rescued from their sins and know His truth (1Timothy 2:3-4). He desires all to repent and come to know him (2Peter 3:9). However, the Bible also reveals that God does not force Himself on people. He allows people to reject Him even though He doesn'i like it. God is love (1John 4:16), but God allows people to reject His love, and to remain in their sins.
A loving god, no. But there are consequences to doing the wrong thing; there are penalties to pay. My thought is that is you mess up this life, you have to keep doing it over (like repeating third grade) until you get it right. So if your life is perpetually boring, maybe it's not the first time you've been here. Pay attention; get it right this time so you can move on.
But that's a theory of mine; I don't claim to know the mind of any god, neither yours nor mine.
Well this being a good question, I have to state, No a good God would not.
But the Jewish/Christian god would. He told the Hebrews to Kill all the Canaanites, OH except for the women, he wanted them to breed with. Every Male, no matter the age. Ethnic genocide which seems we object to today, but it was ok with him back then. So for him to send billions to hell for ever, Yeah I could see it.
God wants everyone in heaven but if THEY say NO ... He will accept their wishes.. Second Peter 3
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
We do not fully understand now. We will one-day. Judaism doesn't believe in eternal torment. Jesus never mentioned "hell". He spoke of Gehenna, a literal pit that they used to throw the bodies of unworthy citizens in, it burned continually. Every eye will see & every tongue confess. The lake of fire was made for the devil & his angels. Why is the world so focused on telling the lost they're going to hell. I could be wrong & there may well be a "hell", but I would never tell a single child of Gods creation that they are headed there. How dare I. I am no righteous judge. For me to determine that this one is headed for the abyss, that is to raise Christ up. Or to say, that this one is surely going to "heaven" that is to bring Christ down. I think I quoted it correctly.
No, Allah the Almighty did not create some people for hell. Contrarily, He created hell for some people. For example, a state builds a prison but it does not build it to put such and such people in it. It builds it for those who break the law. Here is another example: im a high school teacher and when the exam period comes, I know the answers to all the questions that I put forward to my students, and my students work hard to achieve the grades they need. Although they know that their exams have been already planned out, they have to work sincerely and put effort into their work to get the desired grades.Those who attempt to work hard, their efforts will not go to waste, whereas those who are too lazy and dont' even attempt to get a good grade, then they'll lose. They would never know what grade they would have got, if only they had attempted it! They might have been successful. So I know so and so is going to fail the exam because of lack of study, and im going to give him the exam to show him that he is going to fail, otherwise he might deny that he will fail. Similarly, Allah created Hell. It is not suitable for His wisdom and justice to say, "I prepared Hell for such and such people" because those people will have the right to object to if they have not deserved hell.
Christians have placed upon the throne of the universe a God of eternal hate; a being whose vengeance is boundless, whose cruelty is shoreless, and whose malice is increased by the agonies he inflicts. If we are heartless enough to believe the Bible, we must believe its God has found a way to torture even the dead into death. This God has set up a torture chamber where there can be no escape. The "Son" of God has far exceeded the wildest expectations of the "Father" in terms of cruelty. Love is not consigning billions of people to eternal torture because they have offended your ego.
The idea of hell was invented to establish a religious dictatorship. Yet, such everlasting torture, eternal burning -- this terrible belief, this evil infinite injustice, has become the heart and foundation of Christianity.
I deny that hell exists! I deny that a vengeful God exists! And I deny that any book that tells this lie that such a gross, everlasting injustice as hell exists could be the word of God! It is a lie. It is a blasphemy and a slander against the very idea of God. A true God would be better than the best of us, not worse than the worst of us -- IF there is a God.
God is a loving God but love does not equal wimpy or weak or being a patsy. Love does not mean letting people treat you and your loved ones badly and get away with it. It doesnt mean tolerating consistently bad behavior and meanness without consequences. Think tough love. God loves us but allows us to make our own choices and allows us to suffer the consequences of those choices. He has made His 'house rules' very clear and the consequences if following or not following them just as clear. God doesnt send people to hell. People send themselves to hell by their own choice (choising Not Him instead of Him). God wants everyone to go to heaven but he has an entry requirement and those who freely choose not to fulfill that requirement (believe in Him and His son and accept the free gift of grace provided by Him thru Christs sacrifice) do not get into heaven. Heaven or hell is OUR choice not Gods. We are free to choose.
Hang on there for a moment, who said HELL EXISTS first of all, and, secondly why is this verse in the bible Acts 24:15 " and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous" NWT ( notice it says "resurrection of BOTH righteous and unrighteous") according to this no mention of going to HELL for unrighteous but a resurrection that will involve billions coming back to this earth. Research the word hell and you will be surprised of it's actual origin.
My wife and I love our children. And because we love our children we allowed them as much free will as possible, but NEVER so much that it would lead to their death and eternal torture. Had we given them that much free will, we would be considered negligent and irresponsible parents. Yet a deity which does the same thing is worshiped. Go figure.
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The dogma of eternal torment is based on the immortal-soul theory. However, the Bible clearly states: "The soul that is sinning, it itself will die" and "as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all." (Ezekiel 18:4, 20; Ecclesiastes 9:5) Proclaimers of hellfire have made the true God, Jehovah, appear to be a fiend,a cruel monster, instead of what he is: a God of love, "merciful and gracious ... and abundant in loving-kindness." (Exodus 34:6)
Nowhere in the Bible does it say the word Hell. And yes, some of you are correct. A loving God would never ever punish those unfaithful to Him by burning and tormenting them eternally. Ecclesiastes 9:11 says "the dead are conscious of nothing at all." (NWT) Therefore, when we die, we are simply in an inactive state. Psalm 146:4 also says "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thought do perish." Therefore, God would never punish His children eternally.
but in Sanatan Dharma (The Eternal Religon/Hinduism) one goes to hell for a temporary amount of time , according to the severity of his sins. Then one is reincarnated into a new body (e.g. Animals , Plants, Demigods, Humans) this cycle of birth and death is what on should want to be free of tho enter the Kingdom of the lord.
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God gave us free will. You know what is right and wrong. Adam and Eve knew. They chose to listen to Satan. He is the cause of all that is bad. He is the ruler of this world. He even tried to tempt Jesus in the wilderness. And true Christians are not hateful. And nor should they be judgmental.
No, I do not believe so. My Christian peers I believe have misinterpreted this idea. I believe through Jesus, sins shall be abolished, man will be cleansed, whether or not this happens does not depend on belief in him, but in the upholding of good, and the teachings, he and others imparted to us.
I think whatever presence we feel, that we choose to call God is simply another energy field, created by the compilation of the souls of all living things. I dont believe it is malicious or benevolent, but rather, has a polarity of either positive, or negative, depending upon the majority of souls of which it is comprised. If the majority of souls are darkened with hardship, and the conscious minds that house them are negative, then that energy field (or "god") will have a negative polarity, and vice versa. I think whether this affects us negatively or not, depends on our own perspective. Many people face hardship in life..But we can choose to see that burden as a valued lesson, and be stronger and wiser (and thus grateful) for it, or we can choose to see it as "God is picking on me" and always live in resentment of god for the experiences of our lives. I dont believe in hell after we die.
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Hell?we create our own hell,now and hereafter.we send ourselves there,see Jonah:"out of the belly of hell I cried and YOU(GOD) heard me"psalms 139:where can I flee from your spirit?.......in hell YOU are there............YOU lead me to the way everlasting.My answer:we sure are coming back from hell after a purification process by the lake of fire.we are energies,we are never destroyed but recycled back.......is a continuation.Reincarnation?yea,you bet.we must OVERCOME.Oops,hell is not a place but a state of consciousness
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The essence of Love could never create a hell, much less ever send his creation there. We create hell, out of error and a draconian sense of justice. Hell will exist as long as we feel the need to send someone there. If we could never enjoy heaven if Adam Lanza, Osama bin Lauden, Jeffrey Dahmer, or a child molester were standing next to us, we will create a hell to imagine them suffering there. It is not sin that keeps us out of Heaven, it is our own guilt and shame. In other words, if we blame God or others for a crappy life, we won't want to be in God's presence. If we feel ashamed to be in God's presence because of past behaviors and thoughts, words, or actions. we will create our own hell for us to atone. God says to us, "Enter anytime, My precious child, but, hey, leave your bags at the door and wipe off your feet." Those that believe they are in hell are in a brightly lit room with their hands over their eyes crying out, "I can't see! I am in darkness!" Eventually, they will tire of the error and realize the truth, and enter in to Heaven, seeing themselves the way our Creator sees us.
I do not believe so, I believe that would be considered a tyrant whom does not care but to give one chance at a life when that "All Loving God" has an eternity to live and each human only survives for mere seconds in comparison to that "God's" life time. For such a god to exist would mean we are only pieces upon a chess board for some psychopath?s entertainment, a god of death and suffering alone would not compare to the cruelty of such a demon that believe it is right to send Billions...no Trillions to hell because he didn't like them.
God did not intend for hell to be for people. He intended it to be for the devil and his followers. But the Bible does demand rules that cannot be broken. Let's say a dad says, "Son, I love you, and I'm going to give you my keys. But if you break the speed limit, I'm not going to help you pay off the money you owe." The son goes and breaks the speed limit. "Dad, I need help! I got a ticket! Could you help me pay the fine?" "Son, I told you I wasn't going to help you do that. You should have known better than to do that." See, God doesn't turn on people. The people turn on God. If people know what God's word says, and decide to not listen to it, they're going to have to pay the consequences for it. God doesn't want to do it, but He requires holiness in order for people to get into heaven. Do you think God would allow people who act like the world and disobey His rules to enter into a place that has no sin?
God’s own inspired Word says the following regarding people who at one time sacrificed their children in burning flames to false gods: “And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, in order to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart.” (Jer. 7:31) Indeed, God says such a thing “had not come up into [his] heart.” Should he then be accused of tormenting people forever? God’s Word shows that death (nonexistence), not eternal torment, is the penalty for sin. “The soul that is sinning—it itself will die.” (Ezek. 18:4) The Bible clearly says: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol [“the grave,” “Authorized Version”; “hell,” Catholic “Douay” version], the place to which you are going.” (Eccl. 9:5, 10) The Bible also encourages us to have “hope toward God . . . that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.”—Acts 24:15. For more info go to www.jw.org
Some people want there to be a hellfire because they've experienced horrible things and they want the wicked to pay. Adam caused humans to be born as sinners, not to be punished in hellfire. Since God is such a loving god, wouldn't he haved warmed Adam and Eve about hellfire if that's eventually where he was sending them? Genesis 3:19 says "from dust you are and to dust you will return." This proves that when someone dies they are not punished forever in a fiery hell. They simply return to ashes.