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Why is virginity scene in such a negative way these days?

it's like if you don't sleep with everyone in your school by the time your 16 you quote "failed at life" what's so terrible? and modesty is seen the same way generally in some schools the people that dress modestly are seen as uncool and losers? what do you think?

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failure of men to be men, due to a removal of women from their proper place in society, allow me to explain before you get huffy, my words can be easily misunderstood. Women are meant to be held in a place of respect, put on a pedestal if you will, so that they can be cared for and respected, and most of all, protected, men used to show this respect, today, i would say roughly 90% of men have turned to marshmallows, soft, esay to squish children with no self control, values, chivalry, or other qualities of a gentlemen, this is because give or take 60 years ago, women were removed from that place of respect, because the radical feminist movement screamed for "equality", this equality meant that men no longer needed to respect those women for what they truly are, a gift to us from God that we should treat with respect and care for, instead, they began to treat women like toys, dont get me wrong, this had been happening before at certain times, but never on the scale it is now, because women have been removed from the place they are supposed to occupy and balance things from, society is degrading, the degredation of modesty and abstinence is simply part of this wholesale degredation.

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I completely agree! Thankful to be part of the 10%
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as am i my friend, as am i.
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You have been taught well,, prep. :)
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I don't care if you're a "preppyboy", you're alright!! We might as well live in rabbit holes or rats nests and serve a biological pleasure function. Lol
And that's supposed to bring meaning to life?? Good answer :)
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I tip my hat to you sir"
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Bull. Before the feminist movement is when women were treated like things with no real choices.

Blaming your inability to respect a strong and equal woman on the feminist movement really just highlights your insecurities as a man.
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wrong skeptic, you say this because you are most likely part of that radical feminist movement, the fact of the matter is, since this so called "equalization", the amount of rapes has skyrocketed exponentially, men have deteriorated, and society has degenerated, its a fact, by this so called "equalization" women now have fewer and fewer rights by the moment, i have no problem with a "strong and equal woman", the problem is they aren't equal within this society, within this society, women are objects to be fought over like the coolest new toy or a piece of meat, i place women in a place of respect because they arent supposed to be equal to men, they are meant to complement men, and to be respected by men, in a place that is far above the respect that men hold for other men, that is human nature, man and woman cannot ever be equal in the way the feminist movement wishes, it is not the way we were created to be, men were created as "protecters of all that is in the garden" that includes women, if a woman can protect herself, thats all well and good, and i'm very happy she has taken the time to grow strong and have the ability to do so, however, i would still be remiss in my moral obligation and duty as a man, to knowingly allow someone to injure a woman without doing something about it, i think you lack the intelligence, or even, the comprehension to understand the point of my answer to this question, in the future, kindly refrain from speaking upon matters which you so obviously know nothing about.
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Ah yes, because homeschooled teenaged boys know so much about the wider world.

Please. This attempt to rationalize sexism is just sad.
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and by this comment you just made, you further show your lack of intelligence and comprehension, thank you for further proving my point
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Ah, children. So ridiculously convinced of themselves.

Gee, kiddo, tell me again how great it was to be a woman before feminism, when we couldn't have a career or credit cards or own property? When our whole goal in life was supposed to be to have children and keep a clean house? Sounds swell.
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gee, didnt i tell you before that if you looked up bias in the dictionary, you might just find your picture. In reality, at least that was better than what you have now, at that time, at least women were still respected, and protected if neccesary, and chivalry wasnt a dying trait, it isnt that life was great, undoubtedly, it was flawed, and sometimes, a horrible system to live in, i stated so in my answer above (oops, guess you failed to pay attention again), but most of the time, you werent treated as objects only to be used for pleasure and then thrown away as soon as you are no longer of use, at least most children had fathers back then, instead of a single parent struggling along barely being able to provide for their children. you may like the horrible system of today, but i can guarantee you, that most women wouldnt agree with you. You like to point out a situation, and paint it in the worst light you can think of, so that you can deliberatly misguide someone into your convoluted thinking method, but what you said above, isnt the whole story, its actually a very biased representation of what was going on, again, you should refrain from speaking on things you so obviously know nothing about.
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Being a household servant was better than what we have now? Are you INSANE?
I have a great career. I have my own money and property- I'd never end up chained to an abusive or cheating husband because I couldn't afford to leave. I have the respect ofy colleagues- apparently your inability to respect a woman who isn't a housewife isn't universal. I am refectory capable of taking care of myself- I'd rather have freedom than chivalry any day.
You're quite mistaken in your thinking that most women agree with you- I don't know a single one, religious or not, conservative or liberal, who would go back to that time. You claim we weren't objects but you're mistaken- we were seen as tools for reproduction and home maintenance. We were not to have our own ambitions, dreams, or goals- how is that not treating us as things?

It's always amusing when men ( or in your case boys) presume to speak for us. It's also amusing when highly biased individuals accuse others of the same. Irony. Again, child, you weren't alive on those times and you are not a woman. It's you who has no idea what you are talking about.
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Ah, resorting to insults. The last recourse of children and the intellectually outmatched.
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Skeptic you insulted him first!
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Skeptikitten did not insult him, she just pointed out that he was wrong. That's not insulting, it's just true.
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Exactly. Apparently pointing out when an argument has holes is now "insulting".
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Well, I hate to tell you, but there ARE females that agree with this guy. When you read his initial answer, he said the following: "... [T]his is because give or take 60 years ago, women were removed from that place of respect, because the radical feminist movement screamed for "equality", this equality meant that men no longer needed to respect those women for what they truly are, a gift to us... [I]nstead, they began to treat women like toys, dont get me wrong, this had been happening before at certain times, but never on the scale it is now..." Might I add, he never said he didn't respect the independent, modern woman, you make that allegation. He also spoke of "failure of men to be men" because most men no longer held the respect for women they should. In any case, he should be applauded for making a point to say the problem with modern society is a lack of respect. Honestly, you attacked preppyboy97 without cause. For the record Skeptikitten, my grandmother was never a feminist, and was always treated well by her husband, never "enslaved". In fact, my grandfather who recently turned 76, always wanted to make sure that she never felt trapped by him. She always had her own money and never had to depend on him like you've been saying all women had to. My great grandmother was always treated well by her husband, who worked two jobs so she wouldn't have to. He didn't want her to work, he wanted her to be comfortable. Not all men are scum who beat or look down upon their wives. They were portrayed poorly by those who chose to cry out for their cause when there were those who were without problems. As for preppyboy97, you didn't do a thing wrong, in fact, I quite liked your answer.
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thank you virginia, i appreciate the support, and you nailed exactly what i was trying to say, and i appreciate that as well. haha, i can tell you've watched my youtube videos though, lol
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Yeah, I realized the mistake shortly after making it, then felt sort of stupid. I only watched one or two because it was four in the morning at the time, but you have a nice voice. Very proper, not trying too hard to turn everything into a pop solo like a lot of covers I've seen. I quite enjoy seeing your answers because you don't find it difficult to create clear and concise answers like quite a few people I've seen, so the name stuck and I plugged it into youtube :)
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haha, awesome, thank you, and i appreciate the complements. And dont worry about the name, its just a typo, it happens to everyone.
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Sure thing! And I'm glad at least your names are similar, I've stopped calling my friends by their usernames, because they have a different one for every site. I just use their real names, it's too difficult to keep track of so many different ones.
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alright, you can just call me by my name then, Bob is much easier to remember anyway :)
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I just read all this. (read it late because I"m busy working) I happen to to be married to a wonderful husband, like your great-grandma, Virginia. And, I happen to be educated and make a living, alongside my husband. And, I highly agree with Prep. (Bob) :) Blessings to you!!
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I feel like there are those people who talk about how they were somehow shorted in life, whether by money or marriage or otherwise, and they make it seem like something that happens in every household, when in actuality, there are people who had wonderful lives. My grandmother on my father's side raised her two sons on her own. My dad had six half sisters and a full brother. My grandmother raised him and his brother. It was hard for them, but she took it without complaint. Everyone on my mother's side had productive relationships. her parents, her grandparents, her great grandparents. Sometimes the minority happens to make the greater impact. I feel like saying this happened in every household is a GROSS exaggeration, and maybe those who claim they know should be open minded, because there are three sides to every story. His side, her side, and the truth. The problem is, the truth has been warped, and people have a hard time recognizing it.
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You have to be brain washed to think that things were better for women before. They were not treated better, they were objects. This is a general statement, so don't worry about me calling out one of your grandmothers. Why do you think so many women were housewives? Because they were seen as week and soft, which are traits that most people find undesirable. Most people desire to be ambitious and aggressive in life. In history, women have always been treated terribly in comparison to men. We haven't even had a female president. You cannot blame impolite men on women's desire to be equal, that's ridiculous. Things are far better than before, whether you agree or not. Like Skeptikitten said, you are a boy, not a woman, therefore you're a little out of place making claims like these. *Also, since when did rape cases skyrocket? Did you ever consider that women are less afraid of reporting rapes because they've become stronger? Would you expect a weak and soft women to ever face her attacker? Doubt it. You'd have to be strong to do that. More reports does NOT mean more rapes. I know you are all trying to mask the sexism by saying women shouldn't have to work or that they're like little precious creatures, but by saying that you're only being patronizing and belittling a women's abilities. The point is that women don't NEED to be put on a pedestal because they're not little helpless children, they're people. A CHILD would need to be told "good job!" For the simplest of tasks, but a grown woman should be capable of independence and should need to be belittled as though they were a child, because that's really how your guys's words come off as- as though you think women are helpless infants.
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Again, people find it necessary to make an all encapsulating statement. Is it at all possible that not all women were treated poorly? That maybe men aren't all malicious and hateful beings? My great grandfather lived in Ohio. He worked the entire day to provide for his family. He worked in Goodyear tire factory daylong and every morning, bright and early, he had a paper route to make a bit of money to feed his family. You don't at all find it plausible that maybe he wanted his wife to not have to work? So that he could provide like he promised when they married? He died younger than most of the men on that side of the family, and he worked his entire life. Is he the scum you speak of? Is it at all possible in your mind he might have been honorable? How about my other great grandfather? He had a difficult life, that was for sure. He was 13 years old when he walked the length of Greece to escape the Balkan war. He was a Macedonian, and he was a war refugee. He came to America, and he worked for everything he had. He owned his own business, and his wife (also a Macedonian who went through wartime) didn't work because he didn't want her to have to. He wanted her to be safe and comfortable, to never have to work by force, to make sure she and their children were well provided for. He felt she shouldn't have to work, so does that make him the male chauvinist you make all men of the time out to be? I know you will never admit it, but there were decent men whose wives didn't work because they wanted to be able to provide like they promised. Maybe your judgement is clouded because you feel you know what happened. My grandmother never felt trapped or enslaved, and she's alive today to tell me that. She didn't work because she didn't need to and she WANTED to stay home raise her children. She was never forced, she had a CHOICE. Is it possible that maybe some women didn't mind not working? They liked staying home and cooking for their families? Though I doubt the thought ever occured to you, it's possible that you are wrong.
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i find it interesting that only atheists are managing to vastly misunderstand what i have said, its just a quite interesting development
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I'm 60. I lived thru those times and I agree with Preppy. To me Society has gone downhill since women's libbers. I've seen both sides.
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Virginia, the point is not whether or not your grandmother chose her life but the fact that she didn't have a choice in the first place.

Anyone who claims women were "respected" in a time when they were seen as weak, not intelligent enough to have careers, and only good for being housewives and schoolteachers is deluded.
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no, anyone who thinks that was actually the mindset is deluded, if they were considered to not be intelligent enough to have a career, then why were they allowed to teach the youth in the schools skeptik? you presented an obviously self-contradictory statement just now, and it shows that you are only speaking from a place of self-delusion and bias, you have already made yourself look foolish, perhaps it would be better if you just quit while you're behind.
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What makes you think she didn't have a choice? For God's sake, the only delusional one here is you! I can give numerous reasons as to why I can't stand feminists, but the main one is because you aren't focused on bettering the lives of women as you claim, you've become a hate group! As to the allegation that my grandmother didn't choose her life, you're WRONG. Before she had kids, she went to school to be an art teacher. Yes, a teacher, which IS a career, though you've made it clear in your previous statement that you feel it isn't much of a job at all. Did it not occur to you that maybe it was a career she CHOSE and then she CHOSE not to teach so she could care for her children. Women had choices, but those who didn't and cried for change made it out so that it seemed as though all women were mistreated and looked down upon. Don't feign omniscience. You don't know as much as you say.
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My father was a teacher for four decades. I teach at a university in addition to my research. I'm aware it's a career.
But women then had four choices: housewife, schoolteacher, nurse, secretary. Since they were all jobs that either involved subordinate nature to men or taking care of children.

Honestly, the apologetics for the "good old days" where women were to submit to their men, segregation was the norm, and gays got beaten half to death if they were "out" is baffling. It reminds me of this anti-vaccination nonsense- people who didn't experience any of the strife of those times trying to put a rosy glow on intolerance and inequality.
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Again, you've made a generalization. not all women were forced to "submit to their men". By the way, you yourself said "...[S]een as weak, not intelligent enough to have careers, and only good for being housewives and schoolteachers..." which would lead one to believe you don't think being a schoolteacher is a respectable career. I misunderstood. But teaching was her choice. That was her dream job. She chose a career to care for children. Then chose to give it up to raise her own three kids. Nonetheless, everything you've said is all encapsulating. Never have you admitted that there were indeed women who were treated well, who were not made to be subservient to their men, and who had choices. I realize we're all stubborn people here, but I can honestly and truthfully say you're wrong.
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@Preppyboy Since when was I an atheist?
I understand perfectly what you're saying. You are masking your sexism by adding on "women are precious" or "should be put on a pedestal". You’re not making out men and women to be equals, but men to be strong and women to be soft and weak. Did it ever occur to you that not every woman likes to be patronized?
Btw, something I should have mentioned in my original comment, I think it's very inappropriate for you to be blaming women for them being treated poorly. "because the radical feminist movement screamed for "equality", this equality meant that men no longer needed to respect those women for what they truly are, a gift to us from God that we should treat with respect and care for, instead, they began to treat women like toys" Hah I mean COME ON, you're saying women got themselves into this predicament? How is that NOT sexist?? Did you ever think that it was the man's fault, not the woman's? Not to mention that women wanted equality in the sense that they had as much of a chance of getting into a university or getting a job as a man. It is completely inaccurate and irrelevant for you to connect women being treated badly and women wanting equality. Or even bringing up rape! What sane person makes a comparison that evil?
Truth is, women were treated like cr@p before and they're treated much better now. You're saying men treat women like "toys" but, nowadays, thanks to that pesky feminist movement, women have more of a choice? It takes two to tango. You’re very sheltered if you think it’s just men who have premarital sex for fun.
Look at it this way: many of the most powerful people on earth are women, and you think things have gotten worse. To most people, that sounds a little off.
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Agh the hypocrisy is ASTOUNDING (not really, I would expect that from someone with your beliefs) especially when you of all people bring up delusion and bias. Correct me if I’m wrong, but haven’t you said that you’re homeschooled? Homeschooled Christian is the epiphany of biased and sheltered. You are sheltered from anyone’s views but your parents, so you are clearly biased.

Since when was teaching children difficult? They’re children, not graduate students. Not too different from what women were already obligated to do at home.
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@Virginiagirl You could have saved some time if you had read my comment, because the way you're speaking sounds like you ignored it and decided to type a bunch of nice things about your relatives. I had said practically right off the bat, "This is a general statement, so don't worry about me calling out one of your grandmothers." Key word GENERAL. I never said every woman was treated like cr@p- of course not (haven't you learned by now that there are exceptions to every rule?).

I think it’s funny that you went on and on, insulting me left and right, saying that I’M the one making assumptions, when I clearly stated that this was IN GENERAL, not EVERY WOMAN TO HAVE EVERY EXISTED. Hypocrite. Not to mention that there are billions of females on this planet, it’s not JUST your relatives. Talk about egocentrism!

I realized this must’ve hit some sort of nerve of your’s because you are going all off on me when I did not say one word about your grandparents specifically, but the exact opposite. It doesn’t look good when you jump to conclusions left and right.

Did you think to consider that not every man is as good as your grandfather? You think one good man means all men are good? Realize that just because your grandfather was good to your grandmother, that does not mean every man at the time was the same (sheesh, to most people that would have been a given, but I guess you somehow missed that). I'm not saying all men are malicious, but it'd only be DELUSIONAL (I feel as though that word is gonna come up very often) to think that most men are good guys. This isn't me saying all men are born evil (hopefully you’re actually reading this so that I won’t have to reexplain myself over and over again); I am saying that's just how things were in the past. Men have almost always been seen as superior in history, no doubt about it.
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Virginia, your claims were exceptions not the rule. We're talking about the prevailing attitude of the time, not the few and far between who don't apply.
And I notice you never said a word about both preppy and your over-generalization about the state of women NOW and about all feminists. Apparently it's only ok for YOU to make broad statements.

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And here is where it gets sexist. I realize that it’s all sweet and nice that your grandparents didn’t want the women to have to work, but doesn’t that sound as though you’re talking about children, not women? As though women are delicate little beings who shouldn’t be scarred by the big, scary world? These feelings that women shouldn’t have to work come from the idea that women ought to be in the kitchen and not have a strenuous or intellectual job. Being a school teacher for children isn’t exactly strenuous, or much of a stretch from what women are already doing at home. It sounds as though you’re patronizing women like they were children, as though they need to be taken care of. It’s nice to be taken care of, and I’m sure many women wouldn’t mind that at all, but the reason men thought, “she shouldn’t have to work!” comes from the idea that women are too weak to be in the real world. As though the only responsibilities they ought to have is laundry and dinner. As you should be able to see, the idea seems nice and dandy on the surface, but the entire basis of it is extremely sexist.

The fact that your grandparents had nice lives doesn’t prove your point one bit, even though you think it does. Didn’t I mention egocentrism before? You come off as “my grandma had a nice life, so ALL women had good lives and you are all WRONG! ha-ha”. No. That is called egocentrism, and that does not look good on a person either.

You’re SO focused on the surface. Here is the thing: why do you think your father felt he was obligated to work, and she ought to be taken care of, in the first place? You think that was anything new? Like the way they did things was unique? Like I said, this all stems with sexism. “I better work my life away to make sure my wife doesn’t ever have to experience this big bad world of ours!” You may not see it like that, but THAT’S how it was.
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You’re confused. I never said it was a terrible, horrid thing for a woman to want to be catered too. I’m sure there are plenty of sugar-daddies willing to buy a woman whatever she wanted. The whole point is that women should have CHOICE. Not just “hmm, teacher, nurse, or stay at home?” You call THAT a choice? Hah, hardly.

And since it’s been brought up, I’ll say that it’s nice to think of it as a choice, but it really was not. The idea that women should stay at home with their babies had most likely been drilled into her brain since day one. To me, it just seems like you’re in love with the idea of your grandmother having had a choice. Not really a conscious decision, but something learned. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

Skeptic is right, women had a VERY limited option for careers. I don’t think there were many female engineers during that time. “Teacher and nurse” wasn’t that different from what they were already doing at home.

Hopefully I get more of a response than what Preppyboy says- "You're biased and foolish". More like "You got me and I don't have a response."
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MsStina-
Well said. What astounds me is how he blames WOMEN for men's inability to treat women well. How about men "acting like men" as he put it and actually taking responsibility for their own actions. If a man can't respect women it's his own fault and not anyone else's.
It's very "blame the victim" mentality. The old "she was wearing a short skirt so she was asking to get raped" kind of argument.

After all, us horrible feminists were just wretched, insisting on getting paid equally for equal work, lobbying for good child care so we could work at all, and insisting we be able to go to college and choose a career. Goodness. We were just ASKING to get treated poorly.
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Thank you, I agree. The logic that they are using is far out there and shallow. There's a huge difference between what you're saying, which is that men should RESPECT women, and what he's saying, which is basically that they should be treated like children.
Lol, exactly!
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wow, I don't think some on here even READ what prep had to really say. He had some great things said about women but it's all been twisted and warped. Very sad. He's the type of young man I'd love one of my girls to marry someday. So much Godly respect for the woman. I greatly appreciate your answer, prep!!!
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Ironic. Only someone who ignored my comments would think that.
It hasn't been twisted, it's been "unmasked" in a way. What he is saying is not respectful, it's being patronizing. The idea sounds good from the start and at the surface, and hey maybe he doesn't mean it, but his beliefs have a very sexist background and basis to them. There are sexist overtones throughout much of what he and virginagirl are stating.
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Women are meant to be held in a place of respect, put on a pedestal if you will, so that they can be cared for and respected, and most of all, protected, men used to show this respect. hmmm....a sexist thing to say????? wow. I wouldn't want to be your husband.
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Lol, I'm 15. I would hope not. But don't worry, the feelings are mutual.
Respect does not equal taking care of someone as though they were a child. You are taking his words in a way which you would prefer, not how they actually are. Respect is not what these people are talking about. If you read through their comments and the answer, you'll see that they go FAR beyond simple respect and politeness. You are looking at it far too literally. There are clearly sexist overtones along with just outright sexism (such as when preppyboy blamed women for the disrespect that they're given in his answer. Something you failed to acknowledge apparently). They give off this idea that women are weaker than men and it's almost a shock if she makes it out on her own. They love the idea of how years ago women would take care of the children and men would work, and seem to loath the idea of women working actual careers. You're absolutely delusional if you think that things were better before, along with sexist. If you think women being seen as completely inferior and without option was better, you are a sexist. That's what that word means. "men used to show this respect" Uh, what world have you been living in? Women are shown far more respect now than ever before. If anything, women were "toys" BEFORE, not now, simply for child bearing. Now they're given respect not only as housewives but as career women, yet somehow things are worse? The history speaks for itself- women are better off now than ever before and that is a fact. Lemme ask you this- if women were respected SO much in the good ol' days, why wasn't a female president ever elected before, but now there are female presidents all over the world? Or how it was rare for a woman to have an advanced degree before, but now women have actually passed up men in advanced degrees? (yet, women are still paid less. More than before, but less than men).
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MsStina, how can you "unmask" something which you fail to understand the nature of? the ideals i have stated go down to the core of the realization that society crumbles without women put in the place of being a balancing force towards men, and vice-versa, and just so you know, my life isnt sheltered, i simply realize that if men had the self control to keep it in their pants, most of the problems would go away, men are supposed to protect and respect women, and instead they abuse and treat women like toys, if you're okay with that, its fine, really, but you should not drag the rest of the women in the world down with you, and btw, while it is the fault of the radical feminist movement for putting women in their current situation, it is not the fault of the female gender as a whole, i specifically mentioned, a specific group of people, who have caused all the current problems for the women of today by proxy, that this group happens to be a group that is entirely composed of women has nothing to do with my mindset, what i am saying about the feminist movement, is equivalently comparable to Islam in a way, think of Islam as women as a gender, and Jihad as the feminist movement, the feminist movement is currently destroying any chance of men as a whole respecting women as a whole, because they openly promote the current social structure, and most men, who fail to act as men within this social structure, follow the path that the feminist movement provides, because it is an easy way to accomplish their selfish goals. you have vastly mis-understood what i said, and you have warped it, since ultimatly, i put the blame on the men, for failing to act as such, notice that i put that as the first statement in my answer
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and yeah, msStina, if your idea of respect, is being used as a s3x toy, then you go right ahead and continue with your delusions. you are quite obviously too far gone to ever comprehend what i actually said
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Homeschooled sounds very sheltered to me. Most Christians who are homeschooled are only doing do because their parents are against exposing their children to views opposing their own. That's got sheltered written alllll over it.

Where are you getting this from? Seems to me like you pulled half of that comment out of nowhere. For one, when did I say I it was okay for women to be treated with disrespect? Or that my "idea of respect, is being used as a s3x toy”. Please, find a quote where I say that, and then your comment will have some validity to it. Did you even read what I've had to say? Women were treated as toys BEFORE. God everything I say goes in one ear and out the other (it's a figure of speech, I realize that this is typed...). You are missing the point ENTIRELY.

Okay, I'm not sure if you're getting the connections here. Before, women were abused and treated like "toys" FAR more than they are now (at least in America and other developed nations). And you think things were better before. Call me crazy, but by the looks of things, you're the one who would prefer it if women were treated like $hit.

Yes, what I said, you are blaming women for a man's problem. Lol your logic makes no sense!! How does a demand for equality = I want less respect?? Where are you getting this from??? Don’t you see how that makes no sense at ALL? It's hard to react to someone who has no common sense, and don't worry, I blame your homeschooling and sheltered upbringing, not you only. I feel a little bad saying this, but you seem totally brain washed, and it seems silly that you’re saying I’VE gone so far.
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Normally, I do not "lol" in my debates, and it may come off as disrespectful to you, but what you're saying is ridiculous.

Ha and there you go again with the empty and condescending comments! "you are quite obviously too far gone to ever comprehend what i actually said" That is NOT an argument, it's an empty insult that was only said to make yourself appear smarter or somehow more correct. BTW, why do you have your GPA on your profile?? That kind of bothers me too. You seem to think that you're smarter than everyone else. But the funny thing is, you only think you're smarter than the people who disagree with your opinions! That's being narrow minded and clearly BIASED.

So, because you have this ludicrous and totally random idea that I think women should be treated with disrespect (which I doubt you’ll be able to find a comment proving I think that way. If I did, I obviously wouldn’t be having this argument. There you go with your absolutely flawed logic) here’s what I think respect is for a woman: they are seen as equals, not as delicate flowers. They are seen as people, not COMPLETELY defined by their gender. Women are different from men, but they’re not aliens. Men should be polite and gentlemanly to a woman, which means doing things like opening doors, simply because that is the polite thing to do, not because she’s weak and can’t open a door herself. Women have equal opportunity as a man to get into a school and to get a job. Women aren’t patronized and treated like children, but like the mature woman they are. They aren’t treated as though they HAVE to be taken care of. Man or woman, everyone wishes they could be taken care of. That’s not something reserved for just women, like you all seem to think. A woman should not be sheltered from the real world. There shouldn’t be an assumption that women need help. There shouldn’t be shock when a woman is able to take care of herself. My MAIN point is that you shouldn’t treat a woman the same way you treat a child. You shouldn’t think they need a “good job!” for t
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he simplest of tasks, or that they need a daddy to take care of them. That’s just creepy. They shouldn’t be considered as just arm candy, or “complements” for men like you think they should be. When you say women should be protected, that’s saying women can’t protect themselves, which is sexist. Women don’t need to be taken care of like how you are describing. They aren’t soft little children, they are grown women who are capable of living with or without a man in their lives. Now tell me how any of that gives you the idea that I’m in favor of women being treated as toys.
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You are just a child yourself, Stina. How would you know how women were treated way before your time? You are not old enough to know how to even be treated. Prep sounds far from being brain washed. Many people 3x your age have all agreed with him and have lived a bit to even experience this. If you think he is so sheltered, he seems to understand and "know" far more than kids who are schooled today. What's mostly in their faces is disrepect. It's all over the media, tv and everywhere you turn. It's been that way since I was your age. I was highly disrespected by boys back in junior high. It's 10x worse today.
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i dont try to treat women the same way i treat a child oh master of twisting words, and its quite obvious your ability to use the english language is far below mine, or you wouldnt so vastly misunderstand certain terms i have used, for a woman to complement a man is simply to bring out the best in him, and i already stated men should do the same for women, again, you attempt to act as if you know my mind, when in fact, all you do is make everyone else realize your utter foolishness. As i have already said, i am perfectly okay with a woman learning to, and being capable of protecting themselves ( i actually reccomend it given the larger number of abuses that go on in this society) , however, the fact remains that man was given the responsibility, the duty, of protecting all things within the garden, that includes women, and for me to simply stand by and allow a woman to be abused, would leave me remiss of my duties as a man, whether a woman can protect herself or not doesnt matter to me, what matters to me is that men should respect women enough so that they dont have to protect themselves. You take what is a gesture of respect and chivalry, and twist it into something to spit on, i pity you, as if you continue on with this mindset, all your future relationships will fail, and if you marry, you will be divorced, because you have a mist over your eyes that disallows your ability to see clearly, as for me, i am not going to further attempt to explain to those who obviously cannot comprehend it, good day to you.
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@lolo Uh, Preppyboy is 15 too, so I would assume that you feel the same towards him as well? Ha-ha, yeah right. Why is it that you use my age against me, but not his against him? Isn't that called a double standard? Besides, I've payed attention in history class. Since when did you have to be alive during a time period to understand it or even know about it? I wasn't alive during the Renaissance, but I nevertheless understand what went on.

Bias, bias, bias. You only say that because he agrees with your opinions! Lol, of COURSE you're going to think that! Therefore, you complimenting his knowledge has NO value. It's like the president of the US saying the US is a great country, or the owner of a clothing store saying the store sells great clothing. The statements have no validity for obvious reasons.

Don’t forget that Skeptikitten is a full grown and educated woman who agrees with me. Your points still have no validity. Of course there are people older than me who agree with him, just as there are people older than me who agree with me! So what? More people voted for Obama, does that make him the better president? Lol I would doubt either of you would think so because you are obviously conservative.\n
#T~T Are you reading my comments or not? What part of "women have more choices now than before" do you not understand?? It is a FACT, not an opinion, simply a FACT that women have it better today than ever before! God I feel as though I am being COMPLETELY ignored by you people.

And remember, you have to EARN respect. Don't expect it if you're not doing anything worthy of it.
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@Preppy I'm not twisting words, I’m understanding the sexist overtones of what you're saying. It's called reading between the lines, something you learn to do in an actual English class taught to you by an actual English teacher, not a parent. No wonder YOU missed that. But then again, my father has a master’s degree and is actually certified as an English teacher, so he would be qualified to teach me.

There you go AGAIN being condescending to make yourself feel smarter.
"its quite obvious your ability to use the english language is far below mine" Far below, really? Cool it. Read over the comments, and lets see who has the correct grammar, spelling, capitalization, and punctuation (you missed the apostrophe in “it’s” and you should have capitalized English, oh-mighty genius). I like to think facts overcome whatever cr@p you’re spewing, and the facts show that I am more advanced in English than you are. Huh, who woulda thought!

Why would anyone expect me to interpret your words as a meaning that is completely different from what it actually is? Besides, it sounds sexist to me to say that the purpose of a woman is to make a MAN look good. Don’t get me wrong, it would be equally as sexist to say the purpose of a man is to make the woman look good. Women and men should be independent people, not dependent on one another to make each other look better than they actually do.

My “utter foolishness”? Lol, what ever happened to treating women with respect? Looks like that that ship sailed long ago, hypocrite.

Here we go again. You don’t understand that your word choice makes a HUGE difference. You don’t have to outright say, “women are less able to take care of themselves than men” to mean it. You JUST said you’re, “okay with a woman learning to... protect themselves” LEARNING TO?? Don’t you understand how that makes you sound very sexist? That’s not twisting anything, you said it, not me. You are implying that women have to learn to take care of themselves like a child! Lol, how could you even deny THAT?
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Ugh, I see you’ve still been ignoring my comments. I NEVER stated a man should abuse a woman or shouldn’t prevent a woman from being abused. I said she is CAPABLE of taking care of herself. That CERTAINLY doesn’t mean a man should do the opposite of protecting her and intentionally put her in, or allow her to be in, danger. The same goes for men! If a man was in a burning home, I would still recommend a woman fire fighter to help him out. That doesn’t mean he’s a helpless little child who can’t go on without a woman, that’s just doing what’s right. I’M the one twisting words?

As I said, there’s a difference between treating someone with respect and patronizing them.

I don’t understand what you see wrong with my mindset. Because I have goals and view myself highly, there is somehow something wrong with me? Thanks to your oh-so-convenient brag on your profile, I can gladly say my grades are better than yours, I am a part of a sports team, clubs, and have many long lasting relationships. Not only that, but I go to PUBLIC school and interact with people who aren’t exactly like me. Unlike you. Thanks to my public schooling, I have social skills that you will never develop. Sound harsh? Welp, you shouldn’t dish it out if you can’t take it. Studies have shown that people with higher emotional intelligence are more successful in life than people with a higher intelligence quotient, so belittling me and acting as though you are the wisest of the wise will do you no good. You have a very LOW emotional intelligence if you think it’s appropriate to tell someone online, that you hardly know, that all of their future relationships are doomed to failure. Hah, is it just me, or does that sound completely ridiculous? I’m sorry to break this to you, but you shouldn’t go along thinking you’re a good Christian while at the same time being extremely insulting and leaving evil comments to people you know nothing about. Keep that “mind set” up and you’re going straight to hel1. I comprehend, you do not. You ignored half my comment,
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which means that you had no valid response. And now you run from the argument entirely, which means the exact same thing.
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Stina, YOu are one strong person. ARe boys afraid of you? :)
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I'm sorry, i have a tendency to ignore idiots who go on long rants
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and yes, you view yourself very highly, you have a quality known as arrogance
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also, considering in a public school, my gpa is well over a 4.0, and all my classes are internationally accredited AP courses, you should probably do some research on homeschooling before you make a judgement on it
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also, all human beings have to learn to protect themselves in order to effectively do so, for instance, in order to learn how to protect myself and others, i trained in martial arts, here we go again with you twisting words around to fit your relative and totally psychotic belief system
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Prep..it's obvious you have a hgh IQ. ;) It's a gift from God. I do see both of you as having dominant personalities. (within the different personality profiles, I've learned over the years) Not a bad thing. A good thing. They make great leaders. :)
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Finally, considering you have never had any exposure to my emotional psyche, as i keep all things on this site to a strictly intellectual level, you should refrain from further proving idiocy, and just not cross bridges that you cant burn later, and as from your comments, i have judged your intellectual psyche, with a philisophical mindset, then i can say, with certainty, that your mindset will cause your relationships to fail, you are sitting on a boat that is burning, and refuse to admit that there is a fire, my social skills are just fine by the way, and considering i talk to many people who disagree with me on a great many things, you have again, shown a poor judgement, and a serious lack of prudence, i siad i would not further explain my argument, i will however, defend against attacks on my character (which is by the way, what you are doing, and it shows that you truly have lost this argument)
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i agree that she has a dominant personality, but since she has been vastly miseducated, then she cannot use that to her advantage, only the downfall of herself and others.
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Oh, yes, there are strengths and weaknesses in every personality. I just wanted to point out the strengths...to say something nice. Then, it's good to just zip the lip (or stop typing) and end the argument. This is learned in long lasting relationships...like marriage. ;)
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perhaps you're right in this case, @msStina, i'm sorry you misunderstood what i was attempting to say, i hope you eventually come to realize that i meant no disrespect, and certainly put no tone of sexism into it, in the meantime, i hope you grow as a person, and eventually, that you are actually thought of by a man as a woman worthy of love and respect, and not a toy for pleasure. I hope that you come to realizations that better you as a person, and i encourage you to do so, good luck with your life and these things, as they will be important for your success in life, you do not have my approval, nor do i believe that in your current state you are prepared for what the world shall bring, but still, you do have my respect, although it may mean nothing to you, it is still there, i wish only the best upon you and yours, with that said, good day.
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@lolo Lol, thank you? And no, I'm more shy in real life. Well, not exactly shy, but not nearly as argumentative to people in person. This (arguing) is a hobby for me, I guess. Thank you for the compliment.

@Preppy Nice comment, very chivalrous. You see, NOW I understand what you meant by how men have no respect for women these days! (I hope you understand sarcasm, because you haven't understood a word I've said up to this point).

Lets see, which is better: long, well thought out comment, or short comment with empty insults that mean absolutely nothing? I'll let you decide that one.

Lol, no, it's called being self aware and having confidence with myself and abilities. There is a difference. I think you're arrogant because you decided to post your GPA on your description, along with other reasons, to be absolutely sure people know how smart you are. I don't think I've ever once spoken of my GPA on here, unless it was the topic of conversation. I only brought it up with you because that was something I noticed in the past and it bothered me.

If you are telling the truth in your description, which says that you have a 4.1 GPA, then I have better grades than you do. If your GPA has gone up since then, you can go ahead and say so. I am taking AP classes as well, along with a non weighted Pre AP class and an online class that also does not contribute to my GPA.
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Psychotic? I think that's taking it too far. Just because someone has opinions that differ from yours, that does not make them psychotic, that makes YOU narrow minded.

See, I am a reasonable person. I completely see that you are a somewhat intelligent person. I don't think like you do, which is, "if he disagrees with me, then he must be stup1d!" If you're smart, I'll admit that you're smart. And I think you're at least smart. However I think your beliefs are completely twisted and you like to use condescension to make your arguments more valid.

You’ve kept it on an intellectual level? If I click on your profile, I can see that the most recent Q you answered was “Whats a perfect song to listen to when your in love”. Sounds a lot more mushy than intellectual to me.

Okay, what is up with you and your double standards? First you call me an idi0t, then you say my character judgements mean I lost the argument. You have made MANY character assassinations against me and I only returned the favor.

Ironically you say I’m miseducated, but up to this point I have been under the impression that I am more successful in school than you. Not to mention that you’re (most likely uber conservative) upbringing has made you think that anything liberal is evil and wrong. How do you know I’m miseducated if you hardly know a thing about me?

My assumptions and judgements have been reasonable, being that you’re homeschooled and you have the opinions that you have.
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I think you only say that my relationships are doomed to failure out of spitefulness and ill intentions to hurt me, not to give me advice or lead me in the right direction, which is what a good Christian would do. Going to church isn’t all you have to do to be a good person. I could just as easily say the same about you, however I would not go so far in a comment to a person I don’t know.

Lol, of course you think I lost the argument. I don’t think either of us would ever be willing to admit either of us had lost. IMO, my points have been valid, your’s flawed. I have made sense, you have not. At least my insults are relevant, whereas your’s are random and inappropriate.

Ah, and now you leave a final comment to cover up all the hatred you have given me so far. I don’t buy that one bit. You can’t leave comments calling me an idi0t and fool, and then say you still respect me or wish me any luck. Yeah, I hope you become a better person too.
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Stina, you say you are shy. Well, that isn't considered a personality. (under the personality traits that I have studied) You still seem to have a bit of a dominant personality. (as far as the way you write) The shyness will eventually go away as you gain more confidence in life. I was quite shy, too. I felt it really disappeared by the time I was 30. I think as we age, we just get more comfortable with ourselves. Wha't funny..I pictured you two married to eachother, the whole time you were arguing. lol People who are opposites (yet the same) do tend to attract. lol I see you both as very intelligent people for your age and well beyond your years. It' truly a gift from God but shouldn't be puffed up, either. (which can easily be) I do think it's easier to just say whats on your mind in typing on a computer vs speaking face to face. And, I do think people can seem very arrogant and act "big and tough" on-line than getting to know the real person off this site. Either way, the best of all is LOVE. I'll end it as that. Peace and love to you both!!! :)
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Okay..have to add another comment. Stina, I think Prep may have felt about some of the things he wrote and made up by turning it around and saying kind things to you. This is life and what people do in relationships. It's genuine and real and that's how I see prep. Sometimes, it's best to just "let it go" and say, "thank you. " and..it's actually okay to NOT be one who has the last word. :)
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I was super shy when I was little, now not so much. But I'm not argumentative with just, like, random kids at school. That's an easy way to make people hate you lol. You're right, I probably do have a dominant personality. Opposites attract, but I learned in my psychology text book that similar character traits often lead to longer lasting relationships. Opposites cannot have lasting relationships. Thanks for the compliment. Of course, that's sort of a given lol. Like I said, this is a hobby for me. I like to argue with people on Ask to pretty much escape homework hah.
That's okay if you think it's genuine, but I do not agree. I'd love to be the better person in this and just say "thanks" but I just don't like what he's had to say to me. Goodbye
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I undersand, Stina. To be the bigger person is also the one who says, "I'm sorry" and Thank you." and to not hold a grudge againt the other. Oh, how i've had to learn this. :) Night.
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Okay, I've more than obviously missed a lot, but I'd like to point out that just because you say these women were the exception, that doesn't make it true. I found from speaking to people and listening to what they have to say that these women were not the exception. You say they were, but in actuality, you only see what you want to see. The women who were poorly treated spoke out and made there point, but for every one of these women, there were more who had good lives. Many women were well treated and lived well. As for the "egocentrism", you said "Not to mention that there are billions of females on this planet, it’s not JUST your relatives. Talk about egocentrism!" I used my family as examples because I figured you'd be more likely to think about it if I put real people and their experiences in front of you. Obviously, that is not the case. And I could just as easily say that you are egocentric. You've made it abundantly clear that you must be right, because you say so. Sure there were women in bad positions, but there were women who had good lives whose husbands didn't think them weak. I realize you may come after me for making another personal connection, so I'll skip that. And like you said about "one good man", just because there are bad, chauvinistic men, it doesn't mean all men are bad. You have to learn to be optimistic, and to realize there are good people. Believe me, I've been exposed to those awful men. My father looks down upon my mother. Yes, a personal connection. Excuse my egocentrism. She's the breadwinner of the family, and my dad doesn't like that. He degrades her. He treats her poorly. But there are also so many good people, that you can't judge the world on the bad ones you're exposed to. You can't honestly believe the majority of men look down upon women, can you? That's possibly the most pessimistic worldly view I've ever heard. And I realize men were dominant in the world. For a very long time. But that doesn't mean you should group all men together from different times. It isn't fair.
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It isn't the example alone that made it egocentric, it was the fact that you seemed to be looking at it like, "my grandmother had it good, therefore so did most other women". Your point is that many women were happy, and you used your grandmother as an example, therefore it seemed like you were trying to prove that because she had a nice life, so did many other women.
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I think both you and preppyboy are looking at this differently than I am. Preppy was looking at it in a physical sense (as in men must protect women from abuse) and you're looking at it like: she wasn't abused and didn’t work = women had it good. I'm referring more to career options and independence of a woman. I'm also talking about how just the idea of women staying in the kitchen is a learned belief, not necessarily a conscious decision for a woman. For example, the other day my teacher told us that when he was in high school (no more than 30 years ago I'm sure) his counselor would not allow him to take a typing class because it was strictly reserved for girls, since girls were supposed to be secretaries and not play with the big boys. It's not that all women REALLY wanted to be secretaries, but that they were raised in a certain culture where they knew they would never be anything more than a secretary. This is unfair and sexist because boys were raised to think they could be astronauts or the president, whereas girls got the short end of the stick and were raised to think they could become a waitress and maybe even be promoted to assistant manager! How exiting! Point is, you are saying your grandmother had a good life in terms of having a nice husband and food on the table. That’s not where I’m getting at. I’m getting at that if she had wanted to become an engineer, if it was even possible, she would have had to work MUCH harder than any other man to become one. And I’m not saying a man had to be mean and cruel to be sexist. If a man assumes the women will stay home the rest of her life, whether or not he’s nice to her, he is probably sexist.
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Both of you also had been focusing more on chivalry, which is true that before men would put their coats over a puddle for a woman or pay for a meal, but I don't think those things are really necessary to keep this world going. It's like this: before you had guys giving you their coat, however most women hit a glass ceiling in their jobs. Now men may not be the knights in shining armor we would all like, however women are paid almost as much as men, given higher positions than men, and even have more advanced degrees than men. I would choose more opportunities over hat-tipping or bill-paying any day.
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I didn’t say a majority of men looked down on women TODAY, I’ve been referring to “in history”. But since you brought it up, I do think that there are too many men who don’t take women as seriously as they should. I’m grouping men together because that’s the topic of discussion. Men, in history, have been dominant. This ranges from 500 years ago to just 50 years ago. That doesn’t mean men were necessarily evil, just that that was the culture and that was how things worked out.
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I realize there are people like that. There have always been people like that. There will always be people like that. And the only thing we can do about the past is remember it so we do not repeat it. However, I refuse to let you think I'm ignorant enough to believe that just because I have family who were treated well, means it didn't happen. I am fully aware of the tragedies of the past, but I refuse to let you tell me it happened on the grand scale you claim it to be. In actuality, there were women with great lives. I was merely using examples to bring these cases to life and to show you that the lives of women fifty years ago weren't all doom and gloom. I'm not gullible enough to believe it didn't happen and doesn't happen today, I know from experience it does. All I was saying is that things have been blown out of proportion, and you fail to see that. As for the grouping of men, throughout the times, men have come to respect women immensly in comparison to a few hundred years ago, so I don't believe it's fair to group a 20th century man with a 17th century man. I can easily admit that you have valid points, and have no problem doing so, but I don't believe you are right in saying that the majority of women were treated poorly and looked down upon. And I definitely don't believe nearly as many men were as bad as you say, but we'll never see eye to eye, no matter how we try. I think we should all just agree to disagree because neither side will relent, no matter what the other says.
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Yeah, I'm starting to become sick of this argument. Point is, I'm sure many women had it alright in the sense that they had food on the table and stuff to keep them busy, however I just don't accept that as being TOTALLY okay because they were still very limited. But back then, I'm sure the women didn't even really know what they were missing since, like I've said, that was just how they were raised and how things worked out.. Exactly- things have gotten better. I didn't mean to say that things never got better, I'm trying to say that men dominated society for a long time and the way women are treated today is relatively brand new (as in, how much more respect women are given as people, rather than being COMPLETELY defined by their gender). I don't completely disagree with you, I just think that we are focusing on two different things.
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I'm just glad we can basically shake hands and end it already.
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And I agree completely, we're arguing two different points.
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preppyboy- what a wonderful job your parents have done in raising you. if MORE boys were like you then i would worry about my daughter less. i actually feel bad calling you a BOY because you are more of a MAN than most of the "grown men" i know today. you have it all right in your assessment of society today and in the past-GOD BLESS YOU- keep shining in this dark world young man- my prayers are with you!!
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thank you, i greatly appreciate the complement
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Sooooo I read to about comment 50... Then I just got tired and scrolled all the way down. When it comes to a relationship between a man and a woman, I think we can all agree with this old Cherokee proverb. " woman's highest calling is to lead a man to his soul so as to unite him with source. A man's highest calling is to protect woman so she is free to walk the earth unharmed." I agree with preppy. Things weren't perfect before, but they sure as heck are worse now!!!
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@Jack I think that if you think it's worse for women now, you don't understand what it's been like for them for most of history. Women could not even vote in the US until about 100 yr.s ago, which is relatively brand new.
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Yes, it's just awful for us now. What with the voting and the choice of careers and the choice of attire and the ability to own property and whatnot. Just terrible how we can make our own choices, live alone, not have to stay in abusive relationships.
To suggest that it's worse for women now than previously shows a profound ignorance of history.
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Exactly.. These people's idea of women having it good is men putting their coats on a puddle for them, or paying for a meal.. They are missing the big picture.
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Yes, forget my great career where I am respected and well published in my field, my good salary, the fact that I'm the breadwinner and my husband the child-rearer, the fact that I own property and have a diversified portfolio, played two semi-pro sports, and get involved in politics- if ONLY a man would hold the door open for me and pick up the check for dinner. *sigh*
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Lol so true x) I would never have had the options 50 years ago that I have today, I think all [American, at least] women should feel pretty lucky that they were born in this generation. Too bad in other undeveloped countries women are still treated poorly.
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mankilla444

dude half of them who say they have done it really havent........thats the truth!

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its true for some cases
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Because people of our generation are becoming less and less dumber.

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apparently not judging by your grammar skills
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Yea i am half awake and half asleep
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lol less and less dumber means they are getting smarter!
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Hilarious.
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Your like the lucky Pierre in a grammar sandwich.
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I have now idea. There are so many Players and Sluts in high school

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that's more towards guys. if a guy is still a virgin then "everyone" sees him as a loser, which is why so many guys are in a hurry to lose their v-card to just any girl, just so they can get some kind of reputation - though to girls that might want to date him, they'll be really turned off if he goes around saying he "did it with a cheerleader".
if a girl did the exact same thing ^ she'd probably get kicked out of school... I'm serious, no joke...

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I usually say "swipe" their v-card lol
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haha, yeah. because they're not actually losing it, their handing it away to someone...
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Uhhhh they definitely DON'T get kicked out of school, there are PLENTY still in mine
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uhhh, It depends on your school. at my school you would get kicked out if you got pregnant. and a lot of them retreated to public schools which don't care if you are pregnant.
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Well I guess I've failed at life... ^_^ kids are stupid.

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Your perfect and smart!!! How many girls do you see freaking out on this site about being pregnant?? Don't you change a thing!!!
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Me 2 :) and proud of it
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Good for you!!!!
Stay strong and be your own person!!
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I've counted over 20 pregnant teenage girls on this site. But I stopped counting so who knows how many more there are.
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So sad because their teen years are gone!!
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Actually the teen pregnancy rate in America is the lowest it's been in 70 years.
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That's so weird.
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Good question! Wenches want it to appear as if the pure ones are losers, who have no life. That's absurd. The people who save themselves for marriage like they're supposed to are the ones with good values and better opportunities in life, especially in their relationship when they mature.

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It is just that way, many believe that *ahem* is the true meaning of love and those who haven't *ahemed* before are not cool or in love. Really, While it can be...."entertaining", it is not the meaning of happiness or love.

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I didn't know still being one is so bad.....(apparently I've failed at life :P) And I think modest is beautiful. :D

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No.... You have respect for your self don't you change a thing!!!
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Star I have failed too :)
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At least you haven't failed a pregnancy test!! O.o
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Lol XP
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cause people have more pressure on them to do it

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Boondox!! You changed your picture!! I like it. Just saying lol not trying to be creepy or anything.
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its kool
I'm changing it back tomorrow
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Awww okay haha
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high school brings all different people together. Some people wanna try to get laid right away while others want good grades. Be yourself, find people who share your interests and avoid the ones who say things like that.

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Unfortunately when I was in high school I neither got laid or good grades.
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Its what is popular, therefore people do it

I blame boredom, people back in the day could entertain themselves with jacks, a game where you get a ball, and make the plastic pieces come up


people rode there bikes more, and we can't occupy ourselves anymore. less time to experiment with things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZL6RGkPjws
to be honest this did not entertain me as a kid.

People dont care about what they look like, people arent motivated, its pretty much electronics.

I agree with you.

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Because guys make it a game. ( a lot of them anyways) they try and see how many virginities they can get. Girls end up getting feelings for their first. That's how it goes. It's horrible but it's true.

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There is no reason why it should be so sacred. It's just sex. It's no big deal if you're old enough. If you don't wanna have sex then don't. If you do then do it. Don't stress over it. But if you're around 30 and haven't had sex then you might wanna actually try it if you don't wanna be a 40 yr old virgin.

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That's probably what's gonna happen to me :,(
Worst part is my name is Andrew the same name as the main character from that movie.
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The thing that he's saying is tHat kids are putting tons of pressure on people who haven't had sex. I'm only 14 and I've been getting pressure for two years! All of a sudden you're a loser if you haven't done it. It's not like we're in our 30s, we're freaking teenagers!
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Because of all the cr@p that people watch on television. I wanna be a teen mom. I wanna be a jersey sl ut. I wanna be a trailer trash pageant mom. Everybody wants to be famous these days. Look at the questions on here. How can my singing on YouTube get more views. How to I get on American idol. I was still a virgin at 16.

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Sex is influenced literally everywhere, and that "everywhere" portray it as something cool and great. Brain washing kids, in thinking its also cool and great

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I don't think being a virgin is so uncool as you might believe. A lot of young people, girls especially are feeling more empowered to take control of their lives. Unwanted pregnancy, STDs and the emotional toll that premarital sex can bring into a young persons life aren't what many goal oriented young people want in their busy lives. It just interferes with the pursuit of their dreams.

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I 100% agree. I think a lot of people are just overreacting.
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Sometimes people behave as though this generation invented premarital sex. I'm old, I KNOW that's not true from personal experience. If people do a bit of research through history they will discover this for themselves too.
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Ikr my history teacher actually brought this up this morning (sort of) because she was mentioning how every generation likes to remember the good, not the bad. Like how our grandparents rave about the 50s and how it was the greatest time ever and everything was peachy, but there were still just as many problems then, now. And before learning about European history, I had this idea that everything was sort of like a clean puritan society where no one had premarital sex, but now I've learned that pr0stitutes have been around forever and pretty much every monarch and ruler had a mistress.. This is definitely nothing new.
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it is the way you think you are

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i believe its mostly to do with the lack of censorship on tv or the way they push it(sex)that is in young people's faces and the way parents today don't read or believe in our life guide sent down through the ages "the Bible"if they did they would learn its our duty as parents to see to our kids moral values but it seems the evil one has and is gaining his lead in reaching the kids first his plan has been a long time being put together its his influence on people of our time that is causing this shame

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Remember that you can be immoral with or without the Bible.
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It's ridiculous. I want to wait for the right person not somebody who's just gonna use me to get a reputation. "Be Classy" is something I go by.

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I'm the same way! I'v decided I won't even kiss the girl before we're married it's just that much more special :)
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I agree. It's supposed to be that way anyways.
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The human population is getting far stupider with every passing generation. It's depressing really....

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Says the person who just said "stupider". Irony.
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Peer pressure!! The saddest thing that can happen. To feel like one is the freak or not cool just because they are still pure.
Better to be a freak and not have a std or pregnant while the dad continues to infect other young ladies while the girl takes care of a baby and drops out of school.
Wake up !! Wait !!

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I don't think it's peer pressure because sex in teens has been going on much longer than that even existed. I think peer pressure has more to do with drugs and alcohol. When it comes to losing their virginity, that's more raging hormones.
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People are ridiculous. I say we should all wait for the right person and do it AFTER marriage. It makes it special and not like a rush to get it over with because others are doing it. I hated hearing people talking about who they do it with back in high school. Especially when I was a freshman in high school. Due to all that talk and hearing about young girls being pregnant it no longer surprises me. Okay my rant is done. (I know I'm waiting until I'm married :))

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Very cool, oreoduckie. Proud of you!
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Thank you!! I just read your answer and what you said is true. It is also sad how people will give into pressure so easily just to be "accepted" into society.
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Yes, I know. I have 2 young daughters and it's a bit scary raising them this day and age. ugh.
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I would probably be a helicopter parent if I become one. I can be a paranoid person. I'm even scared for my younger sister. Some of her friends aren't the greatest and I'm afraid she'll do something or something will happen to her. She's only 14.
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If you don't agree with premarital sex don't have it. But you have no right to pass judgment on what "we all" should do.

FYI- the teen pregnancy rate in America is the lowest it's been in 70 years.
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Loosing your virginity is seen as a modern "rite of passage" rather than the initiating and sealing of the beginning of a marriage. It seems to be seen as "now your an adult and independent" if you have sex. Whereas puberty used to adequately show the shift into adulthood. I found in that you are seen as a strange creature or lacking in sexual interest or a nerd if are a virgin in today's youth generation. I think it also can mean that you are seen as a religious "kill joy". What they don't realize is that they are missing out on the depth and real power of sex by engaging it as a "just for fun" or "my life is worthless if we can't share this together" (without the expressed commitment of marriage) sort of thing. There is no real physical nor core psychological need to have sex beyond the sheer desire for it. of course there have been ridiculous ideas of making sex "bad" throughout all recorded history, but that's no grounds for a strictly "if it feels good, do it!" philosophy.

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Apparently you've been hanging out with the wrong crowd. What ever you want to do with your sexuality is not only OK, it's your right. Don't give in to values lesser than your own.

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It sad. And, even more sad, are the children coming from these immoral teen kids. There ends up being zero morality in the world. These days, seems at least half, or more kids, come from broken homes and they see their single parents not wait until marriage. (for the second or their time) It's just a continue immoral cycle with no direction.

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Premarital sex does not equal teen pregnancy. 95% of Americans have sex before marriage, yet our teen pregnancy rate is the lowest it's been in 70 years. And a good number of single parents come from divorce situations.
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Well good Lord, I've definitely "failed at life". I definitely dress modestly, I'm still a virgin, and I've never even kissed someone! Lord, I'm utterly repulsive, aren't I? A loser for not being concerned with such foolish things I have the rest of my life to worry about. The problem is, teens want to grow up too fast. They are concerned with having sex because it represents the adulthood they so yearn for. The same goes for those girls who parade themselves around wearing clothing far too revealing for their age. They want to be big girls. Our society has become so warped, this behavior has become normalcy. That's the problem here. Virginity is seen as negative because these teenagers figure being a virgin means they aren't desired as they wish to be or they feel young and insignificant. It's as simple as teenage as insecurities. Having those who resisted idiotically jumped in headfirst with some idiot that will be insignificant in 5 years feel like they haven't met social standards is completely ridiculous.

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I don't think that's true at all that teenagers somehow feel that they're undesirable if they're a virgin. Kids in high school have $ex because they're hormones are raging. Peer pressure may be sprinkled in there somewhere, but it's not nearly as involved in this subject like people would think it would be. That's more of a drugs and alcohol thing.
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I didn't say all teenagers feel this way, but I know people who are in such a rush to do "it" that they don't care who with. They feel like it'll somehow transform them into an adult, or something along the lines of. I can honestly say peer pressure is more than sprinkled into every aspect of high school, some just choose not to succumb. I know beautiful girls who are virgins, and they think they're ugly or meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Peer pressure plays a huge part in this, but so does self confidence (or lack thereof) among other things. Sure, horomones play a part, but they can easily be controlled. It's a combination of a lot of things, but I can definitely say that a lot of virgins do feel undesirable. In fact, someone has said they feel that way below. I know a lot of girls AND guys who feel like they aren't good enough because they haven't done "it" yet, and it's merely a self confidence issue. I'm entitled to my opinion, as are you, so lets not start a 30 comment argument. The arguments are becoming cumbersome, and I'm quite tired of typing angrily and wearing off the letters of my keyboard...
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Since when is that a negative thing?!?! I don't care what people think of me, I ain't sleeping with a dude!

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It's not just "these days", it's just that we have a more open culture to discussing these things today, and wider exposure to other people through mass media and the Internet.

My parents told me the attitudes weren't any different in the sixties and seventies when they were growing up- teens now are just more likely to protect themselves and more likely to talk about what they're doing. We actually have the lowest rate of teen pregnancy our country has seen in 70 years.


If you don't want to have premarital sex, don't. And don't bother with what other people think about it- your sex life is your business. But you have to accept that your sex life is your business, the sex life of others is theirs. You have no right to bag on their choices any more than they have to make fun of yours.

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I don't think he's talking about just premarital $ex. He also means kids in high school. Are you saying that kids in high school should have $ex if they want to?
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It's none of my business. Fact is, teenagers have sex. They have always had sex. They will always have sex. The best thing you can do is help them make responsible choices and protect themselves.
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I'm 18 and have never had $ex before either! I hate feeling like the way you describe. I know that my v?rginity isn't a big deal and it doesn't change who I am. But I still feel so "undesired" as some people here have said.

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Don't feel undesired, it's good that you wait. Wait for someone you love and care about. Besides, premarital sex is overrated. It's merely people giving into primitive urges. Think of yourself as a higher being because of it :)
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I'm not waiting. It's just that no girls want to sleep with me.
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Don't sweat it. You're 18, and have plenty of time in the future for such activities. We all feel like little things like this are the end of the world at the time, but in five years it won't matter. Just don't worry about it. Focus on the people and things that make you happy instead of the negative things.
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So you think I'll still be a vrgin in 5 years?!?!
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I'm sorry, I meant in five years, it won't matter as much as it does when you're 18... pardon the late response, and what you interpreted the earlier one as. I never meant to offend, even if it was accidental. I apologize if I offended you in any way. :(
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I know. I'm actually in college ad I'm moving in with my dad this summer (it's a big house with a pool, a jacuzzi, and a sauna) I have a feeling that I'm gonna get a gf this semester and I think that I'll be inviting her to "see" all the cool stuff at my house.
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And you didn't offend me.
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That's good. I was a bit worried there for a second :)
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Yeah. I have a feeling that I'm not gonna be a vrgin by the end of the year.
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This is part of what the Bible predicted in Isaiah 5:20: "Woe to those who are saying that good is bad and bad is good, those who are putting darkness for light and light for darkness, those who are putting bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"

It goes to demonstrate that we are living in very critical times and they are progressively getting worse (2 Timothy 3:1-5). However, we have to follow the apostle Paul's advice found in Ephesians 4:17-32 in every part of our lives, this doesn't only have to do with virginity.

If you want me to explain this in more detail, just let me know "Southernboy".

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Because it's a natural behavior. Besides some humans, intelligent socially-minded animals (such as dolphins, chimpanzees, and bonobos) practice casual sex starting at puberty to increase cooperation.

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I don't know all I know it's that I'm still ... And proud of it !

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Since when? I don't think anyone in my school would have a problem with me being a virgin. It'd be weird if I weren't. It's not really a big deal. I just think people are overreacting. In high school, (despite popular belief) it is possible to get by on your personality.

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Because kids today are morons

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Your virginity is a special, precious gift. However, we live in a world that for the most part does not treat it as such. This is due largely to what is said at 1 John 5:19 and 2 Corinthians 4:4. Virginity is not strange or abnormal. We are all born with it. Don't allow peer pressure to con you into thinking that something is wrong with you if you hold to Bible standards. Avoid association with those who lack strong moral standards, even if they claim to share your religious beliefs. If you decide to marry one day it is possible that you will be happy to share your precious gift with someone that you feel is worthy to have it for as long as you both live as husband and wife.

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I think people mistake sexual experience with mental maturity...And so if you're a virgin, for some senseless reason, think that you are ignorant...Their problem NOT yours!! Fact is, you can never control how others see you, but you can demand their respect, by not allowing their opinions to alter you perception and respect for yourself.

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Less readily accepted is what the Bible says on sexual matters. Contrary to what many have been led to believe, the Bible does not prudishly condemn as sinful all sexual desire. But it does provide sound advice on how human sexuality should be expressed. The Bible teaches that sexual relations are reserved for a man and a woman who are married to each other. (Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:4-6; Hebrews 13:4) Sex provides a way for marriage mates to express and receive love and tender affection. (1 Corinthians 7:1-5) Any children born of such a union benefit from having two parents who care for each other.—Colossians 3:18-21.
Regarding sexual promiscuity, the Bible commands: “Flee from fornication.” (1 Corinthians 6:18) What is one reason for this? The verse continues: “Every other sin that a man may commit is outside his body, but he that practices fornication is sinning against his own body.” What results when the Bible’s advice regarding sexual matters is ignored?

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Sexual feelings aren’t evil in themselves. After all, God created man and woman to have a strong attraction for each other, and satisfying sexual desire is proper within marriage. So if you experience intense sexual urges, don’t think that you’re inherently bad or that you’re just not cut out for moral cleanness.
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The entertainment industry portrays sex as glamorous, while ignoring its negative consequences. (Ephesians 4:17-19) Often movies and television shows depict sexual relations in a context of casual, uncommitted relationships. There is strong peer pressure to conform and those who do not are mocked. It's important to recognize that such a life-style is worth-while, resolve to live your life accordingly, and then takes measures to stick to it. It's pretty much the same with dress. People, especially young people, don't realize that dress and grooming are like loudspeakers that broadcast your thoughts and attitudes.

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