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GOD and Christ, the same spirit, or two different beings?

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This is a problem the Christians have been struggling with since the story began. Until the 4th century Jesus was the son of god, a separate entity, and was worshiped as the savior of mankind for his sacrifice. Most new converts were former Roman pagans and had no problem with worshiping multiple gods, Jews on the other hand could not convert due to the 1st commandment. To solve this the church leaders combined the two (the son and the father) into one being. They didn't realize the dilemma they had created however. As one being, Christians must deal with the idea that god sacrificed himself to himself in order to change laws that he himself made due to sins men made against him. This is a troubling concept for a logical mind to relate with.

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caluvox, what an amazing post. STAR.
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Laws weren't "changed". They were no longer necessary since mankind had been redeemed. God created a sinless being living in a sinless world. Man, by free will, destroyed that. God, in an effort to remain sinless yet continue a relationship with man created laws for man to follow. God was a one on one God. Due to man creating a rift in that God did give man a way to rectify things but the consequence was He made Himself available only by the masses no longer one on one. As with any consequence this changed & God sent Jesus to bring it back to a one on one personal relationship again. Because man has been eternally redeemed through Jesus. Not hard to wrap logic around what is rooted in logic. Just hard for most to accept responsibility & accountability.
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If what you said makes sense to you Rev, then I guess anything can.
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I'm sticking with my idea that by starring and "Fun" ing, you essentially get two greens. Which you did.
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yall sre hilarious haha....well yeah ive heard both ideas and generally caluvox, yours seems to really bring light to a controversial question. nicely done dude.
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the father and the son and the holy spirit are all one which is called the trinity.

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Two different entities. God is Jesus's father.

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@samanddean, just in case you missed it on that other thread, I'm very sorry. I certainly didn't mean to call you by a different name. It's my auto-correct, and again, I apologize. I feel bad. It was not done on purpose.
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Neither - there mythological -

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that is an opinion. get 50 examples to suport that. i will show you a 1958 page bible that proves them all wrong.
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You are spoiling for a fight, johnboy! The question is: why are you looking to fight or preach?
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Lol so much denial right there. You think your god and jesus aren't mythology but you'd have no problem shrugging others religion as mythology.
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You're right, he'd have no problem doing that.
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@lepp, he didn't do that at all.
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Yes, he did. Citing the bible as proof.
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@haimai, well, he did cite the bible as proof, yes. because that is part of Christianity, which is what the question was about. He did not shrug any ones beliefs. Merely supported his own. Did not at any point call any one else's beliefs mythology. Lepp however, did exactly that by their phrasing. Nuff said.
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I was referring to the denial portion, Samantha.
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Yeah, you need to actually read what was written cuz at this point you may as well be talking about gibberish @HaiMairqstrn
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only put that last bit in there because I do not know why you would put some random name in there @haimai
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Excuse me? Random name?
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I clearly didn't mean to write the wrong name samanddean, it's auto-correct. I'm sorry.
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@haimai, yeah random name. my name on here is Samanddeanfan. The Sam part is not short for Samantha. There for it would be a random name.
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See post directly above. I'm sorry, it's auto-correct, I didn't realize. I apologize again.
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what ever
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The bible is proof of nothing
Writen by humans who make up there own version of events as they see them -
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@satanspawn I wish you were mythical.
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@satanspawn, I'm so sorry really, and I agree with you, but djhr1 just made me laugh out loud, so I'm giving him a point just in this instance.. Hahaha
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But I'm not -
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In my world you and you idiot self is mythical.
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@satanspawn, i didnt mean to start a fight, i was on ask.com asking a question, and our opinions are allowed here. and i disagree with whatever voodoo bullcrap you do... since your name is satans pawn....well as long as you aint got a voodoo doll of me, idc. :)
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Who knows, seriously? You think anybody on Ask has a definitive answer regarding this question? You have people with opinions and beliefs, that is all. You will be in the same place now as you were before you asked this question.

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As you state opinion...
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But with discussion!
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in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost...this makes up the Holy Trinity....trinity being three they are all separate entities

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well god is Jesus father but god,Jesus and the holy ghost make up the trinity

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The same Spirit yet different beings.

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God is the Creator of the heavens and of the earth. Christ is just Greek for Messiah, the man that God would send when he chooses to lead Israel into a righteous kingdom, deliver Israel from its enemies, and start a period of peace and prosperity. Except that the Messiah is chosen by God, and God will also choose his arrival time, there is no connection. The Messiah is a flesh and blood man. The Messiah is yet to come.

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Please don't take offense! I am honestly curious. Based on your answer, was Jesus of Nazareth not the "savior" of Christianity?
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Was Jesus not a "flesh and blood man"?? Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in God, a messiah, or the Bible. But I'm pretty sure most if not all Christians believe their JC was a flesh and blood man.
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Also what I thought. And was raised to believe before I wised up.. So I was wondering what lior is writing about.
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I forget if Lior is one of the Jewish people on here. "The Messiah is yet to come" kind of leads me to believe he is.
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Hmm, hadn't thought of that. You're probably right.
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Yes, Jesus was flesh and blood. There are 7 billion flesh and blood people living now. This doesn't mean any of them is the Messiah. As to why I emphasized it, that was bc Christians believe he was also god.
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Thanks for clarifying, we were merely curious. :)
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Not all Christians believe he was God. Some believe he was the Son of God, like me :)
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Ah. Thanks.
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Rrobles, ever since Nicea, virtually all those considering themselves Christians beloved that son of god was of the same essence as god and indistinguishable from god in any way, such that Jesus was simultaneously both 100% human and 100% divine. It's of course nonsense, but if that's not what you believe, you're not a Christian. Not in the conventional way, anyway.
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Yes. We are Christians for the following reasons:
We try to follow closely the teachings and behavior of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
We believe that Jesus is the key to salvation, that “there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.”—Acts 4:12.
When people become Jehovah’s Witnesses, they are baptized in the name of Jesus.—Matthew 28:18, 19.
We offer our prayers in Jesus’ name.—John 15:16.
We believe that Jesus is the Head, or the one appointed to have authority, over every man.—1 Corinthians 11:3.

However, in a number of ways, we are different from other religious groups that are called Christian. For example, we believe that the Bible teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, not part of a Trinity. (Mark 12:29) We do not believe that the soul is immortal, that there is any basis in Scripture for saying that God tortures people in an everlasting hell, or that those who take the lead in religious activities should have titles that elevate them above others.—Ecclesiastes 9:5; Ezekiel 18:4; Matthew 23:8-10.
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Most Christians consider Jehovah Witnesses as a revival of the Arian heresy.
http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/godsreligion/p/aa082499.htm
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Yes, they do. I had to read through almost the entire description to realize he was talking about JW
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Me too.
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Well, everyone is indeed entitled to their own opinion. However, we consider ourselves Christians. You must go to the source to find out what they truly believe. I believe the best people that can tell you about JWs are JWs. So I hope I helped!
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You should believe however you wish. If you believe in JC, I think that makes you a Christian. Especially if YOU think you are, I think you are. :)
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Thanks HaiMai!
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I will not disagree with that. I often say that those early Christians who believed things that deviated strongly from proto-orthodoxy considered themselves Christians, and therefore so should we. I only stated that almost all Christians believe in the Nicean Creed. JWs do not, but that's fine with me. As a Jew, for me they are all wrong either way.
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Haha, thanks for clarifying lior.
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HahaLoL , And as that logic goes, I'm an atheist so I consider all religion "wrong" any way you look at it.
I was merely referencing what most Christians think now.
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So did I
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we believe christ had an earthly body, but a godly soul. his body was just a shell. though on the third day, according to the scriptures, the stone was rolled away and the body was no more!!!!
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The body was stolen by his followers, and was buried elsewhere, perhaps even at the Talpiot tomb.
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yeah its a debatable topic.... but my opinion i stick to is his ascention to heaven.
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From the 4th century on the church has attempted to to concoct a divine formula that makes Father, Son and Holy Spirit one God, so you have God redeeming mankind, to save them from his eternal damnation. To do so, he sends his son, who is one with himself, to be sacrificed to himself, in atonement for the sins committed against himself.
He chose a people to help him do it. He makes sure that they knew his plan by sending prophets. But if his people knew his son was the the messiah, they wouldn't kill him, and his plan will be spoiled.
So, he made his prophecies murky.
His scheme works.
His chosen people kill His son so he punishes them by destroying the temple and nation and makes them wonder as a diaspora.
What a divine script.
Praise be to God.

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It's also interesting to think that Adam and Eve had to eat of the forbidden fruit in order to make their immune systems and velociraptor teeth make sense. What if Eve had never fallen for the serpent's dirty tricks?
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Something, I'm quite sure, would have "come along" to accommodate her evil "original sin" mandate. After all, this was the true beginning of "woman, know thy place" crap.
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All too often, I move my arrow to "like" certain comments, and realize liking comments isn't a feature here... :-(
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But it should be! And if you like my comment, thank you.
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Provide an answer on THIS thread, which I completely disagree with, I will still "like" it for that comment! :D
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Haha, lol. :)
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two seperate beings. But Christ is of God. He was, because of God, he is, because of God, he will always be, because of God.

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THE HOLY SPIRIT: GOD'S POWER FORCE
The Bible describes the Holy Spirit as the Spirit of the One True God in the Old Testament, and in the New Testament as the Spirit of Jesus Christ. There is no distinction between the two, for the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Jesus are synonymous or the same Spirit. God uses the Holy Spirit to accomplish His great feats of creation, gives power to people to rule, and power of instruction and warning.

Nowhere in the Bible is the term "Spirit of God" or the "Spirit of Jesus Christ" called or classified as a "person" as claimed by the Trinitarians. God is a Spirit and His Spirit is a spirit. There is only one God in the Old Testament and Jesus is God in the flesh in the New Testament (John 1:1,14). God, The Spirit of God and Jesus Christ are the One and Only True God.

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Excellent description.
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I thank you zinghunter.
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Excellent description!

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God is the universe, cosmos, and is all around us, Jesus was a very intellectually advanced and centered on helping others type of person

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They are different.

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Yeah, but you Muslims HAVE to think that...
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They are exactly the SAME, in that they're both nonexistent. (Actually JC may have lived at one point, but his entire life has been made into a legend over time, despite the apologists' claim to the contrary)...

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Same spirit but Jesus is God's earthly form.

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correct
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SAME!! JESUS is God's son but they are the same

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