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ynp.214:
4 months ago
What it really comes down to is not whether or not someone is gay. It comes down to people being treated equally.
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It was only about 60 years or so ago that it was illegal for blacks to marry whites. Every single argument against gay marriage and equality is the exact same thing that was said against inter-racial marriage then.
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I would definitely vote for gay rights. Why shouldn't gay folks get to have the same healthcare and tax benefits as hetero couples?
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SuperGeek64:
4 months ago
Yes I do. I say if two people love each other it shouldn't matter if they're both the same gender.
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old_narswall:
4 months ago
male/female you think you came from animals right then do you see any gay/lesbian animals. why because theyre smarter than you they know that the guys stick goes in the girls hole simple as that. go find a girl. it goes friend, girlfriend for guys/boyfriend for girls, wife for guys, husband for girls then sex that makes it sooo much better and satisfactory keep the guys friends or pals (guys) or girls as friends (girls). because you think you can have a relationship with the same gender doesn't mean you should
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Truthisobvious:
4 months ago
What were you saying about animals being smarter because of sexual preference narswall?
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old_narswall:
4 months ago
because i hate having thousands of people yell at me its really boring and annoying i thought i would have less trouble this way. (its very rare for homosexuality in animals. and the closest thing to it thats in normal behavior is pretty much mollusks that change sexuality)
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Truthisobvious:
3 months ago
Wrong again with your misleading answer. It's actually common to see homosexuality in chimps when less females are present. And in case you are forgetting, humans are animals.
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HaiMai:
3 months ago
No, not "closest thing is mollusks." There have been well over 150 species that have exhibited documented homosexuality. This includes Mammals, as Truthisobvious wrote. I don't know what this information will do to your "animals are smarter than you" theory.
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EdwardGoodman:
4 months ago
yeah. different strokes for different folks.
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handsomedaddu:
4 months ago
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No I strongly believe that gay marriage is wrong and goes against everything in the bible about adam and eve but I also believe its your choice and who ever makes you happy then you should be with them and with that I would vote yes for gay marriage
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handsomedaddu:
4 months ago
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I look I personally dont agree with gay marriage but I dont judge gay people I have gay friends I believe what ever my you happy or who ever all people have rights even gay people
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handsomedaddu:
4 months ago
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I believe its up to whoever it is is choice what ever makes them happy
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SouthernBoy:
4 months ago
No god judged when he said it was wrong 5000 years ago! But I agree that the bible says hate the sin not the sinner.
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Wall1:
4 months ago
"Judge not lest ye be judged". "Vengeance is mine saith the lord", doesn't quite fit. But, let's just say the lord has the last word. You are allowed to guide, not judge, force, or execute. We have free will so we can make choises, right or wrong..
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SouthernBoy:
4 months ago
CJ there isn't taking it the wrong way. It says "man shall not lie with man" sorry but that's what it says
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Cjkenkel:
4 months ago
SouthernBoy, this is for you!
It’s true that Leviticus 18:22 seems to discourage homosexuality, and though it stops short of specifically calling it a sin.
But the very same section of the Bible also prohibits making clothes by combining different materials (Leviticus 19:19), technically known as sha’atnez.
Similarly, Leviticus 20:13 condemns homosexuals to death, but the same punishment is mandated for people who curse their parents (Leviticus 20:9). Are you willing to pass laws that put children to death for speaking out against their parents?
And for that matter, Leviticus 20:10 demands the death penalty for both the man and woman involved in an adulterous relationship. Is that a law that the anti-homosexuality crowd advocates?
(Similarly themed passages in the New Testament, like Romans 1:26-27, are more complicated, but the same basic principal applies. Romans 1:26-27, for example, takes a negative view of both male and female homosexuality — though not actually calling either a “sin” — but in a much longer passage, starting at Romans 14:1, the same book demands tolerance and acceptance, even of sinners: “Welcome those who are weak of faith,” “[Do not] pass judgment on one another,” etc.)
It’s true that Leviticus 18:22 seems to discourage homosexuality, and though it stops short of specifically calling it a sin.
But the very same section of the Bible also prohibits making clothes by combining different materials (Leviticus 19:19), technically known as sha’atnez.
Similarly, Leviticus 20:13 condemns homosexuals to death, but the same punishment is mandated for people who curse their parents (Leviticus 20:9). Are you willing to pass laws that put children to death for speaking out against their parents?
And for that matter, Leviticus 20:10 demands the death penalty for both the man and woman involved in an adulterous relationship. Is that a law that the anti-homosexuality crowd advocates?
(Similarly themed passages in the New Testament, like Romans 1:26-27, are more complicated, but the same basic principal applies. Romans 1:26-27, for example, takes a negative view of both male and female homosexuality — though not actually calling either a “sin” — but in a much longer passage, starting at Romans 14:1, the same book demands tolerance and acceptance, even of sinners: “Welcome those who are weak of faith,” “[Do not] pass judgment on one another,” etc.)
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CJ. Awesome post! You are so right. The Christians that "pick and choose" what they want to preach sickens me as well. They never want to quote the passages that speak of tolerance, forgiveness, and judging one another. They "pose" on Sunday and judge on Monday.
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Wall1:
4 months ago
Informative posts. I wonder why so many say they are Christians yet they seem to take most of their information from the old testament. "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" is more important to them than "turn the other cheek". If we believe Jesus was a Jew than why don't we celebrate Passover, Chanukah, etc. as Jesus would have done?
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handsomedaddu:
4 months ago
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I dont shout im a honest and I dont care what you think
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VolganHamishan:
3 months ago
Lots of us Christians do pick and choose what to preach and it's one of the main reasons why I'm NOT a Catholic. God is strict but he is also loving. Hate the sin not the sinner. Don't judge the sin. Let God do that. Only he decides whether or not that particular person is worthy of seeing heaven's gates. And like I said he's forgiving so I believe just because being gay may very well be a sin according to the bible, God also wants us to find Love and is willing to forgive us for our "mistakes".
p.s. I answered respectfully and would appreciate if anyone disagrees with anything I say to remain respectful thank you.
p.s. I answered respectfully and would appreciate if anyone disagrees with anything I say to remain respectful thank you.
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marisol12:
4 months ago
I support it
Honestly neither the government nor the bible should tell us who we can marry because that's telling us who we can love or cannot love
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marisol12:
3 months ago
I haven't read it cover to cover but I've read parts of it not a lot because honestly I have better things to do than to live my life exactly how the bible tells me to! Go ahead & judge but I will care as much as I care about fallowing what the bible says
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Cjkenkel:
4 months ago
Good morning and long time no talk TIO. I have a gay brother. Of course I would vote for it. It bothers me a lot, when people want to take away their rights. They are human just like the rest of us.
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merrilltom:
4 months ago
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Hey you! You had me worried, are you ok?
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merrilltom:
4 months ago
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Did you receive what I left in your comments on the question about the biological father?
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merrilltom:
4 months ago
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Of course I was thinking of you! I left something, wasn't sure if the mods allowed it to stay
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merrilltom:
4 months ago
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Got it. If you're able, check it in 3-5
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Truthisobvious:
4 months ago
Hey cj, loved your post up there about leviticus. It makes me sick as well. I just got done posting about Westboro- so many say they don't support Westboro and I've never heard one word of agreement and yet we see so many agree implicitly. I agree with you despite having no gay friends. It doesn't take much for me to empathize with others though.
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Truthisobvious:
3 months ago
Any train of thought that leads to liberation of said religion must be cut off at the head- even if that head is their own. This is a symptom of a much larger problem. The corruption of thought. I'm utterly disgusted by what I see people justify daily and all roads lead to god of bible on this subject unfortunately. It saddens me to see so many people believe absolute poison is the most right thing in this universe- it's so f ing stupid.
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xXRockstarGirlXx:
4 months ago
Yup..... i do, i know two guys look a little weird romancing each other in public..........but u know the truth is- LOVE KNOWS NO BOUNDATIONS........
and LOVE IS TOTALLY BLIND>>>>
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xXRockstarGirlXx:
4 months ago
google it......
it is sometimes used!!! :P
it is sometimes used!!! :P
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xXRockstarGirlXx:
4 months ago
This is the answer to the question on wiki-
"Is boundation a word or not?
Answer:
Although it is not a dictionary word, "boundation" has certain uses in scientific jargon. The actual word for a border or limit is "boundary", but in applications where limits are not of physical form, the word boundation is sometimes used. Examples include timeframes (in computer programming) and signal bandlimits (in waveform sampling)"
"Is boundation a word or not?
Answer:
Although it is not a dictionary word, "boundation" has certain uses in scientific jargon. The actual word for a border or limit is "boundary", but in applications where limits are not of physical form, the word boundation is sometimes used. Examples include timeframes (in computer programming) and signal bandlimits (in waveform sampling)"
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Tryin2StaySane:
4 months ago
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Marriage is between a man and woman and is holy. To change this would be to pervert what the bible intended. Why cant gays be happy with a legal partnership? If they dont believe in the word of god then why try to pervert its rituals?
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Cjkenkel:
4 months ago
Why can't gays be happy with a legal partnership? Doesn't it also say in the bible that you have to married before having intercourse? You're a hypocrit. One thing is okay, but another is not.
Why can't straight people be happy with a legal partnership?
A lot of gay people believe in the word of God. Do you not know their are churchs who have Gay followers?
You make NO sense.
Why can't straight people be happy with a legal partnership?
A lot of gay people believe in the word of God. Do you not know their are churchs who have Gay followers?
You make NO sense.
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marisol12:
4 months ago
Why would anyone let a book tell them they can't be with the person they love (if they're gay)
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IamAwhovian:
4 months ago
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I gotta agree with Cjkenkel. the word of god also says to love thy neighbor, that doesn't exclude gay neighbors
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old_narswall:
4 months ago
people tell there neighbors/friends what they're doing wrong usually you people should understand that
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Tryin2StaySane:
4 months ago
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U assume to know way too much about me and yet u know nothing. The bible is totally against being gay, so why would gays want to follow its rituals?
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Tryin2StaySane:
4 months ago
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Alot of angry ignorance on this thread
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Tryin2StaySane:
4 months ago
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Lol the bible states what it states. There no way of going around or trying to twist what it is. I myself have no problem with gays and one of my clisest friends is gay. It is what it is and marriage should not be perverted like it or not.
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Cjkenkel:
4 months ago
It’s true that Leviticus 18:22 seems to discourage homosexuality, and though it stops short of specifically calling it a sin.
But the very same section of the Bible also prohibits making clothes by combining different materials (Leviticus 19:19), technically known as sha’atnez.
Similarly, Leviticus 20:13 condemns homosexuals to death, but the same punishment is mandated for people who curse their parents (Leviticus 20:9). Are you willing to pass laws that put children to death for speaking out against their parents?
And for that matter, Leviticus 20:10 demands the death penalty for both the man and woman involved in an adulterous relationship. Is that a law that the anti-homosexuality crowd advocates?
(Similarly themed passages in the New Testament, like Romans 1:26-27, are more complicated, but the same basic principal applies. Romans 1:26-27, for example, takes a negative view of both male and female homosexuality — though not actually calling either a “sin” — but in a much longer passage, starting at Romans 14:1, the same book demands tolerance and acceptance, even of sinners: “Welcome those who are weak of faith,” “[Do not] pass judgment on one another,” etc.)
But the very same section of the Bible also prohibits making clothes by combining different materials (Leviticus 19:19), technically known as sha’atnez.
Similarly, Leviticus 20:13 condemns homosexuals to death, but the same punishment is mandated for people who curse their parents (Leviticus 20:9). Are you willing to pass laws that put children to death for speaking out against their parents?
And for that matter, Leviticus 20:10 demands the death penalty for both the man and woman involved in an adulterous relationship. Is that a law that the anti-homosexuality crowd advocates?
(Similarly themed passages in the New Testament, like Romans 1:26-27, are more complicated, but the same basic principal applies. Romans 1:26-27, for example, takes a negative view of both male and female homosexuality — though not actually calling either a “sin” — but in a much longer passage, starting at Romans 14:1, the same book demands tolerance and acceptance, even of sinners: “Welcome those who are weak of faith,” “[Do not] pass judgment on one another,” etc.)
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Tryin2StaySane:
4 months ago
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I dont pass judgement on anyone but trying to make a ritual that god intended between a man and woman change to serve your own needs is to pervert it.
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Tryin2StaySane:
4 months ago
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Lol im happy for u. Someone get her a cookie.
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Tryin2StaySane:
4 months ago
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I didnt assume u were gay, i was speaking in general. I dont assume things of people i dont know, unlike u did me. And ur telling me about passing judgement? Wow... Ur argument just fell through. Goodnight.
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Tryin2StaySane:
4 months ago
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Ur beating a dead horse... Goodnight
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Tryin2StaySane:
4 months ago
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So u dont believe the word of God. Thats ur choice. We r all entitled to our own opinions and choices. Have a good night.
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goalie26:
4 months ago
I was raised Catholic, attended Catholic school for 8 years and still identify as a christian even though I am a lesbian. My aunt is a nun and 2 of the men I admire the most in this world are priests (and all are perfectly okay with my being a lesbian - GASP) and none of them are nearly as narrow minded as many so called Christians. So tryin2staysane, unless you have devoted your entire life to God through vows of chastity and poverty from the age of 14, I don't value your OPINIONS that do little more than foster homophobia disguised as christianity. It is God who will judge me, and if I've been wrong all this time about unconditional love, I guess I'll have some egg on my face when I meet St. Peter.
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ProdigyScar:
4 months ago
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Tryin2staysane is right gay marriage is WRONGE!
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Typical Bible Thumpers that pick and choose what passages that best fits THEIR AGENDA. Don't criticize me for judging you, as you do with gays. I AM JUDGING YOU.
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Tryin2StaySane:
4 months ago
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Look im stating fact here im no saint or bible thumper. I dont really care if u get angry either, u can curse me all u like. IT IS WHAT IT IS. If u dont like what the bible has to say dont follow its rituals. Its that simple. Have a good day everyone. This is my last comment on this thread and im sure alot more hateful comments will follow.
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Truthisobvious:
4 months ago
Tryin2staysane- I'm not saying I disagree with your interpretation of bible- in fact I think god hates gay too but I'm atheist and people like you are the reason people like me are working hard every day to weed out religious nonsense from not just politics but social media altogether.
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Wall1:
3 months ago
goalie26: I think everyone will be very surprised about who they will see in heaven. God could not possibley have put so many of us into so many different places with so many different obtacles to overcome without having a plan for all of us.
The various American Indian tribes lived here for hundreds of years before any bible ever was known to them. Yet they believed in a higher power and gave thanks after a sucesful hunt even stopping to pray for the spirit of the animal just killed. Just an example of those who never heard of a bible that god would not abandon.
The problem with some is that they believe it is a requirement that they push their religious agenda to "save us". But who will save them from their rediculousness and intolerance. I once was told by a Catholic that murdering doctors who gave abortions was justified. What is this insanity?
The various American Indian tribes lived here for hundreds of years before any bible ever was known to them. Yet they believed in a higher power and gave thanks after a sucesful hunt even stopping to pray for the spirit of the animal just killed. Just an example of those who never heard of a bible that god would not abandon.
The problem with some is that they believe it is a requirement that they push their religious agenda to "save us". But who will save them from their rediculousness and intolerance. I once was told by a Catholic that murdering doctors who gave abortions was justified. What is this insanity?
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Truthisobvious:
3 months ago
Religions are quite clearly poison to the mind and so our community. If the idea of a deity was ever good it's been corrupted to the point of sickening betrayal of compassion, understanding and justice. We have replaced critical thinking with orders from a cruel and heartless god. God is the biggest blight humanity has ever faced. It's as if nearly half of the population is carrying plague rats around as good luck charms.
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SouthernBoy:
4 months ago
I have no problem with gay people. I have a problem with being gay.
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xXRockstarGirlXx:
4 months ago
cool....... guuud answer!!!
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hahahaha.......lol
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SouthernBoy:
4 months ago
U do realize I wasn't saying I was gay rite?
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Searching4aMuse:
4 months ago
I hope you come to terms with being gay.
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mosslegs:
4 months ago
I see nothing wrong with it, people can love whoever they choose in my book. However, I don't like it when homosexuals start abusing people because they assume they will be opposed to their marriage, it's like backwards racism. People should believe what they believe, but shouldn't go rubbing it in peoples' faces all the time.
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ratherbplayingsoccer:
3 months ago
theres everything wrong with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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IamAwhovian:
4 months ago
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well considering I have a gay uncle, les cousin and a gay friend I totally support it. I'm chritian and I see nothing wrong with being gay
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SouthernBoy:
4 months ago
Not question you but obviously you don't believe the bible because it says numerous times its wrong just sayin
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You are a christian? Do you believe the bible as being the wird of God?
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goalie26:
4 months ago
does that mean it's okay for men to sell their daughters into slavery and own slaves as long as they are from neighboring countries too?? Let's not forget eating shellfish, touching the skin of a dead pig, and stoning to death anyone who has committed adultery. You can't just pick and choose there southernboy. You keep eating crawfish and you're going to be judged. *eyeroll*
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yabeel:
4 months ago
The provision of the Messiah through the line of Judah was of utmost importance to mankind. If a woman would so attack a man that "contended" with her husband, she threatened his ability to father children. Also it is indeed not her place to even touch another man there. The punishment prescribed is to be such that the act will be avoided with all due fear. Remember that the woman well knew the consequences before the opportunity to commit the act. Scripture does not record even
one incident of this punishment having had to be carried out.
Another law to protect the lineage was the release of the bride and the groom from working or going to war for the first year of their marriage to have a year long honeymoon providing ample opportunity for conception and possibly even the birth of the first child before they were separated.
one incident of this punishment having had to be carried out.
Another law to protect the lineage was the release of the bride and the groom from working or going to war for the first year of their marriage to have a year long honeymoon providing ample opportunity for conception and possibly even the birth of the first child before they were separated.
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yabeel:
4 months ago
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No here's why Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed forever. Amen. Since men chose to give up God and worship the creature, God could do nothing but give men into the control of the sinful things they preferred. When mn insist on following the depraved nature(sin nature), the natural result will be not love, but immorlity of the vilest kind
-As for me and my house we will serve the Lord!
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old_narswall:
4 months ago
i acctually dont know but im a christian and i prefer how in genicess angles came to see lot and tell him and his family to leave the city. the people of sodem kidnapped the male angles and the men of the city tryed to "have their way with them." guess what happened to the people of sodem... they were all killd by fire and brimstone. this same kind of things were going on before the flood and then... flood. bam all dead excep noah
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yabeel:
4 months ago
I've come to the understanding that if you vote for what the bible calls sin, according to scripture you partake of that sin. 2 John 1:11 says in the New Living Translation Anyone who encourages such people becomes a pertner in their evil work......(other cross refereces_Eph 5:11 I Tim 5:22 Heb 5:13)
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yabeel:
4 months ago
The bible also says that righteousness exhalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people. I don't hate homosexuals,but homosexuality degrades what God has ordained which is one man one woman. It degrades procreation. God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
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Wall1:
3 months ago
Again, people claim to be Christians but always seem to quote only the old testament. Do we really want to pass laws that govern us based on one, two, or even 3 religions? The US was formed by people who were fleeing religious persecution. Now, the right wingers want to have a Christian country just like Al Quada wants strict muslim countries.
Quit tying to shove your religion down peoples throats. Preach, if you must, but everyone needs to make thier decision on thier own just like when we vote.
Quit tying to shove your religion down peoples throats. Preach, if you must, but everyone needs to make thier decision on thier own just like when we vote.
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yabeel:
3 months ago
I quoted the New Testament also, my friend. Just because 1) Just because, I don’t go along with the democrat’s (left wing) communist agenda, doesn’t slap-label me as a “right wing (republican) racist either. It’s two “wings” of the same corrupt bird. I have fought(in combat) for the democracy of this nation. This country’s founding fathers, wanted a democracy founded on Judaic-Christian values, not Muslim; not Communist. How does someone call themselves a democrat, and at the same time be a communist
It’s called separation of Church and State, not separation of God and State.
It’s called separation of Church and State, not separation of God and State.
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You've got to be pretty insecure to be worried about LGBTs having the same legal rights as heterosexuals. If you don't like what your seeing, then look the other way. Otherwise we slip down the slope to follow the Nazis and Al Qaeda. I think if God has a big objection he/she will handle it.
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celebrity88:
4 months ago
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In other words we can pretty much do whatever we want . It's nobody else's darn business. If something seems right or feels good just go ahead and do it . Bring your children up with the same guiding principles. Look the other way & leave us alone. We don't have to live by somebody else's cockamamie code of ethics or silly rules and ideas. That's half or more of what's wrong with our world today.
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Cole1995:
4 months ago
Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
Romans 1:27
Jude 1:7
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ProdigyScar:
4 months ago
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I know right. It's incredible how ignorant the world is.
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celebrity88:
4 months ago
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I feel like I'm back in Sunday School.
Just say what it says I can't find my Bible.
Just say what it says I can't find my Bible.
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caluvox:
4 months ago
I would vote for it. This is a matter of equal RIGHTS, those rights enjoyed by the many cannot be denied to the few, or vice versa. If a particular church or religion does not want to recognize it, that is their right as private entities, however the legal and financial benefits that are bestowed upon married couples cannot be denied based upon race or sexual orientation.
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GinaPayne:
4 months ago
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I dont care but if they love eachother and fight untill people respect them i respect that and im cool with them aslong they dont touch Me i respect them and thats who they are people have to respect that cant make them be straight so...
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Everybodyhurts13483:
4 months ago
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I don't support or support it. It will be a waste of my time to vote for anything that has to do with it.
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Truthisobvious:
4 months ago
But you'd waste your time to answer a question about it? Lol just playing
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Everybodyhurts13483:
4 months ago
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I answered your question because I'm in ask.com. You got angry with me, didn't you? I don't care truth. it's a waste of my time.
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Everybodyhurts13483:
4 months ago
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Go to a state that accepts it. Don't get mad. I'm not kidding
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Truthisobvious:
4 months ago
I wasn't mad at you dude, i was making a joke lol I know being at ask.com and walking away from it to vote on an issue you don't care about are different. But there is irony none the less.
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Everybodyhurts13483:
4 months ago
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I would vote for it, my brother is gay. They both wear wedding rings but they are not married. We live in Illinois. I was in a bad mood lastnight. I like it that you called me dude. My kids call me that. So I guess you're younger than me.
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Everybodyhurts13483:
4 months ago
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I knew that I was going to get taken down by others for what I said. I even called my brother. He laughed, but then he told me not to say things like that about it anymore.
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Everybodyhurts13483:
4 months ago
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I don't know how you feel about supporting gay marriage, but I hope you don't hate anyone who does. My brother is a good guy. I tell him that he better not go to the gay and lesbian parade here in Chicago with one of those leather suits on.
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Truthisobvious:
3 months ago
I likely am younger considering your inflection. Haha dude is a term of endearment for me and I often use it to lighten or defuse tension. I find saying something that makes me seem stupid perhaps takes the edge off. I support gay marriage as much as I support hetero marriage- very little. I just don't like the function it serves and it most often gives a venue for the religious to step in which I also disappreciate. Haha ya all that leather is ridiculous
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CalTex:
3 months ago
@Truth: While religion has its own agenda regarding their marriage sacrament, the government has a vested interest in promoting the stability of civil marriage through various rights and financial benefits over those who simply live together (not that there is anything wrong with that). Studies have shown that married individuals have better health and higher standards of living which translates to reduced need for public assistance, less job turnover saving employers retraining and recruiting expenses, less criminal activity, more community volunteerism, better equipped to deal with elders thereby removing that burden from the state, and where there are children, those children benefit from the rights and responsibilities associated with marriage. Even if the couple divorces, their former marriage facilitates a smooth transition regarding financial responsibilities and parental rights.
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Truthisobvious:
3 months ago
Noted cal. Thx. Ill have to rework my thoughts on this.
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Awkward_In_Love:
4 months ago
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I would vote yes for gay rights because number one: One of my best friends is bi, two: because love isn't gender specific, and three: because it's just the right thing to do.
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Searching4aMuse:
4 months ago
Yes. My answer is yes. Everyone on the yes side pretty much sums up my feelings about this.
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DDXProject:
4 months ago
I don't see these self-proclaimed "moral" Christians adopting orphans by the dozens. We're over populated enough as it is already. Less to feed, so that more can eat. I know many wonderful gay couples. They're diligent, productive, smart, and total opposites to the mean and nasty bible thumpers who oppose them. Heck, one of the most important person in our modern history that you don't know about was gay. He was persecuted and led to suicide for being gay. Yet we have all that we have now thanks to him. You wouldn't have such things as desktops, laptops, smartphones, or the ability to go on sites like this without him.
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DDXProject:
4 months ago
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Haha it's hidden behind my new Tesla. I've never waited so long for something to be delivered my entire life. Ordered October 2009 -__-.
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Truthisobvious:
3 months ago
Very pretty ddx haha
I understand your excitement but to me, not even a tesla does your face justice ;)
I understand your excitement but to me, not even a tesla does your face justice ;)
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ProdigyScar:
4 months ago
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I think it's terrible. The bible does not say its ok it says it's sin, so if I had the chance then I would defiantly vote against it.
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CalTex:
4 months ago
@Prodigy: Consider an opposite-sex couple of sadomasochists who want to get married because they have formed a bond through doing sexually deviant things to each other, and are supportive of bringing partners in to join them in their sexual practices? I doubt that there are many mainstream churches that, knowing this, would be willing to offer them the sacrament of marriage (and it is their right to do so) due these sinful acts, but it is perfectly legal under our secular marriage laws for them to be married by a Justice of the Peace. Why should a same-sex couple in a loving, committed, monogamous relationship be denied marriage, when this sadomasochistic couple is not? Agree with their behaviors or not, it's their business. And as long as they are harming no one, why not let them marry?
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ProdigyScar:
4 months ago
Because as I said above IT IS SIN. Read the bible. And besides most of the main stream churches are going to hell anyway.
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CalTex:
4 months ago
There was a time in this country when mixed race couples weren't allowed to marry because, according to Genesis 11:1-9, God's will was that the different races were to be apart rather than brought together. Therefore, allowing interracial couples to marry was going against God's will. That sounds like a lame excuse now, but someday, the Biblical excuse for denying same-sex couples to get a civil marriage will sound just as lame.
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ProdigyScar:
4 months ago
How on earth does that scripture have anything to do with anything you just said? Besides the scriptures condem gay marriage.
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CalTex:
4 months ago
The last line in the referenced verses reads, "From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth." Now, granted, that makes no sense to me, but a majority of people prior to 1967 said it meant that God didn't want the races to mingle or he wouldn't have separated them. The point is, there is a reason we do not base civil laws on religious doctrine. It is the very essence of the slippery slope. If we are to allow the Bible to dictate our laws, then what is to stop the Qur'an and Sharia law from finding its way into our laws? How about the sacred writing of Satanism? Should they be used to determine our laws regarding marriage? No thanks. I say keep our laws secular and everyone is still free to practice their religion as they please in the privacy of their own lives.
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ProdigyScar:
4 months ago
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Your telling me (a Christian) that I haven't read the bible when the bible clearly states in several scriptures that gay marriage is sin?
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Cjkenkel:
4 months ago
It DOESN'T clearly say that. And yes, I'm telling you, "A Christian" that the bible does not explicitly say "Gay marriage is a sin". I was once a Christian, and have read the bible. You are taking some of the context of the bible, and twisting it.
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Cjkenkel:
4 months ago
It’s true that Leviticus 18:22 seems to discourage homosexuality, and though it stops short of specifically calling it a sin.
But the very same section of the Bible also prohibits making clothes by combining different materials (Leviticus 19:19), technically known as sha’atnez.
Similarly, Leviticus 20:13 condemns homosexuals to death, but the same punishment is mandated for people who curse their parents (Leviticus 20:9). Are you willing to pass laws that put children to death for speaking out against their parents?
And for that matter, Leviticus 20:10 demands the death penalty for both the man and woman involved in an adulterous relationship. Is that a law that the anti-homosexuality crowd advocates?
(Similarly themed passages in the New Testament, like Romans 1:26-27, are more complicated, but the same basic principal applies. Romans 1:26-27, for example, takes a negative view of both male and female homosexuality — though not actually calling either a “sin” — but in a much longer passage, starting at Romans 14:1, the same book demands tolerance and acceptance, even of sinners: “Welcome those who are weak of faith,” “[Do not] pass judgment on one another,” etc.)
But the very same section of the Bible also prohibits making clothes by combining different materials (Leviticus 19:19), technically known as sha’atnez.
Similarly, Leviticus 20:13 condemns homosexuals to death, but the same punishment is mandated for people who curse their parents (Leviticus 20:9). Are you willing to pass laws that put children to death for speaking out against their parents?
And for that matter, Leviticus 20:10 demands the death penalty for both the man and woman involved in an adulterous relationship. Is that a law that the anti-homosexuality crowd advocates?
(Similarly themed passages in the New Testament, like Romans 1:26-27, are more complicated, but the same basic principal applies. Romans 1:26-27, for example, takes a negative view of both male and female homosexuality — though not actually calling either a “sin” — but in a much longer passage, starting at Romans 14:1, the same book demands tolerance and acceptance, even of sinners: “Welcome those who are weak of faith,” “[Do not] pass judgment on one another,” etc.)
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ProdigyScar:
3 months ago
Whatever It's my oppinion and I think it's wrong. And if you had a brain you could see that the bible CLEARLY says it several times in: Genesis, Leviticus, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, James, Acts and plenty of others that it is a GRAVE SIN.
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CalTex:
3 months ago
@Prodigy: A "grave sin"? I thought Christian teachings were that sin is sin. There are no degrees of sin. You referenced Romans 1:26-27. If you continue reading through verse 32 you will see that St. Paul says homosexual acts are no different from envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice, gossiping, slandering, God-hating, insolence, arrogance, boastfulness, inventing ways of doing evil, disobedience to parents, senselessness, faithlessness, heartlessness and ruthlessness ?although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death?. Where in the Bible does it say that the sin of homosexuality is any more egregious than any other sin? Given what St. Paul said about sin, why don't we see Christians trying to pass a law that makes it illegal to engage in, say, senselessness? Now that is something I would vote for.
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ProdigyScar:
3 months ago
Let me ask you something: What do you think is worse, rape or lying?
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Vote Against, every time.
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I would vote for it. Marriage is a legality in our world. You don't have to marry in a church, a magistrate can do it. There should be no question of "allowing" gays the same rights as everyone else.
As for the so-called Christians, nobody forces churches to perform marriages, they can always say no.
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CalTex:
4 months ago
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Some say if gay marriage is allowed it will change what marriage is. In the U.S. that has been the case from the beginning of our nation. We have always had two types of marriage: religious (marriage sacrament) and civil (based upon secular law). Virtually every couple married in a religious institution in the U.S. had two marriages performed on that day. One was the marriage sacrament which has no force of law except within the governing body of the officiating religious institution, and the other was the civil marriage where the government-issued marriage license was signed by the cleric who had been granted authority to act as an agent of the courts. Of the two, that is the only marriage recognized by the government.
The issue of same-sex marriage only affects civil marriage. The marriage sacrament remains untouched by the government as is the law of the land. No religious institution will be required to perform, recognize, or in any way sanction same-sex marriage. Our doctrine of separation of church and state prevents them from being bound by civil rights laws, and they are free to continue excluding anyone they wish for any reason they wish.
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celebrity88:
4 months ago
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What is wrong with love without marriage? Just avoid the hassle. Or are we just trying to put marriage on a pedestal. To heck with the license.
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They are fighting for equality. For the same health care benefits and tax breaks hetero couples are allowed to have under our current laws. They are not trying to change a religious rite.
A marriage is not legal (no matter where the ceremony was performed--see CalTex's answer) until the license has been filed with the state.
A marriage is not legal (no matter where the ceremony was performed--see CalTex's answer) until the license has been filed with the state.
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celebrity88:
3 months ago
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Sex before marriage is a sin if you look at it from the standpoint of what the bible proclaims and I thought we were discarding that religious aspect of marriage .
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HaiMai:
4 months ago
What is so fundamentally frightening to people about gay marriage? We say we are a nation of equality, but in so many ways, it just isn't true. As long as closed-minded people can enforce their bigotry through legislation, we never will be.
There's no way I'd vote no, and in so doing, tell other people that they will never be equal to me or the rights I myself enjoy. I would vote for gay marriage.
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Truthisobvious:
4 months ago
It would be great if we saw better understanding.
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Stars hai! Like you, I wish there was more tolerance. Hmm, wasn't there a guy that used to talk about that? About 2000 years ago? Too bad people don't believe like him.
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olpaint70:
4 months ago
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Marriage is over rated, I vote it down. When two married people work until they both retire, One loses there Social security benefits. Stay single live your life together,and reap the benefits.all gays should consider the cost of that paper, as well as straights.Ok,bring on the fire and brimstone.
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Truthisobvious:
4 months ago
I agree. I think gay people should have just as many rights but I think marriage is bunk in general.
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HaiMai:
4 months ago
I agree with both of you. Although I believe in equal rights for all (which emphatically includes gay marriage), I personally view marriage as a type of prison. Who's to say your wants and needs won't change in ten years? Better to make a deal that works for you and your partner until it doesn't anymore.. Marriage is a bit of an identity-bolster. "I'm Sally, and I belong to jake now." Sometimes it's good to reject the roles society has assigned for you. I have nothing against marriage, this is just my personal view..
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Truthisobvious:
4 months ago
Haimai, If we ever meet perhaps we can a deal that works for us ;) of coarse I agree with you here and see marriage in precisely the same light that you do.
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celebrity88:
4 months ago
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Olpaint; just a point of fact- when 2 working people retire who are married, they each get paid soc.sec. based on their own lifetime earnings BUT the lesser earning spouse will get an amount equal to 1/2 the others benefit if that amount is more than what their benefit would otherwise be on their own .
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olpaint70:
4 months ago
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Thanks, celebrity, I got it only half right. It's just that I don't like to research before I answer, I think it's cheating, also, when I see a good question I get over anxious to answer it. I have been rightly corrected.
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Wall1:
3 months ago
SS allows 50% of the spouse with the higher last 10 years income to be paid to the other spouse. So, in some cases the spouse may do even better than being on their own SS but in other cases they may get less. In fact, if your spouse worked for only a few years he/she still gets 1/2 of your SS benefit.
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olpaint70:
3 months ago
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It will be there, but you will pay more for it, it's already started.
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Wall1:
3 months ago
There are a lot of people, mostly on the far right, that want to put an end to SS. That's because they want to be able to get at the huge amount put into SS they can't touch now and because they don't care about the history. There fear mongering is leading to your fear of no SS for you.
SS was created during the depression for two reasons. One was that many women had been left on thier own while husbands looked for work. If they had no money they were put into "poor houses". The second reason was precipitated from the first; there was a cry from the people to do something to help those most hurt by the depression and the super rich "robber barons" became a prrime target. The people were starting to mount a demand to nationalize the wealth of the super rich.
It seems that the SS program was a better choice to pass than to have thier wealth take away.
Any private system will always have the problem of some people making the wrong choices (and some trying to make sure they do make the wrong choices so they can line thier own pockets). That will leave some broke, in the poor house, and history could repeat itself.
SS was created during the depression for two reasons. One was that many women had been left on thier own while husbands looked for work. If they had no money they were put into "poor houses". The second reason was precipitated from the first; there was a cry from the people to do something to help those most hurt by the depression and the super rich "robber barons" became a prrime target. The people were starting to mount a demand to nationalize the wealth of the super rich.
It seems that the SS program was a better choice to pass than to have thier wealth take away.
Any private system will always have the problem of some people making the wrong choices (and some trying to make sure they do make the wrong choices so they can line thier own pockets). That will leave some broke, in the poor house, and history could repeat itself.
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flybynight:
4 months ago
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I'm against it .Definatly would vote against it .
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goalie26:
4 months ago
Well, next time you go to the polls to deny the rights of others, maybe you should stop by a bookstore or a library and pick up a book that will help you to learn proper spelling and grammar. It makes you look like even more of an uneducated bigot when you have improper spelling and punctuation. I would DEFINITELY suggest that.
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Cjkenkel:
4 months ago
flybynight, I'm not sure what gender you are. But you do realize females didn't have any rights up until recently right. That's something us females had to FIGHT for. Would you have voted against that too?
What race are you? Because every single race, has fought for equality too.
What race are you? Because every single race, has fought for equality too.
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I think fly is a troll that just likes to fire people up. Check other responses.
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flybynight:
3 months ago
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I'm going by what God says you need to practice tolarance because you are not tolerant to my God that I serve .Is it better to be a God pleaser or a man pleaser answer that.
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flybynight:
3 months ago
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No matter what you say I will stand with the Lord on this.I love all people . Including gays but do not agree with there life style cause God says its wrong so it's wrong .
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flybynight:
3 months ago
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You want to be a man pleaser or God pleaser ?Your choice.Choose who you will serve
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Sweatervest:
3 months ago
I really don't care about who marries who. I would allow gay marriage because I have no reason to be against it.
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XxpanicgiraffexX:
3 months ago
Weather a person is gay or not should not matter. The only thing thatsh ouldis thier personality. No one should be so shallow that they cant just look past people's looks, abillities, or weather they are gay or not.~ And i cant think of any reason to be against gay marrige (for all of you strong christians, nowhere in the bible does it say het being gay is a sin)
But to answer your question, yes, i do support gay marrige, i have family, and friends that are gay, and i would be nothing without some of them.
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Truthisobvious:
3 months ago
You seem like a genuine person with a big heart :)
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XxpanicgiraffexX:
3 months ago
thx so much :) i just want to help people find answers, and i'm glad to help
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rajkumarsinghj:
3 months ago
I am totally oppose such type of practise in our society....
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XxSk8erChickxX:
3 months ago
I am completely straight, but I strongly support gay marriage. It's love, and love doesn't have any limits. If two people of the same gender, want to marry each other; let alone, love each other, it's okay. A lot of these religious folks shouldn't even go by what the bible says.
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Truthisobvious:
3 months ago
See if people were more like you I wouldn't even lash out against religion. You can look at the bible and say "well that part is BS." And completely ignore it. This type of discernment is what makes good people. "Just following orders." Didn't work for nazis either at their trials. Your rebel swag is $3xee ;)
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XxSk8erChickxX:
3 months ago
Exactly, yes. Those are some strong words haha God, I hate Nazis, but thank you :) I really do appreciate everything that you said to me.
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Marriage is not a religious rite, it is a legal contract. You can have any ceremonial rite in any church, but until you file your marriage license with the state, you are not legally married. Why shouldn't every consenting adult be allowed to marry? Hetero couples deem it their right under our laws, why not gay folks as well?