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I can't speak for all Christians, but I personally am against it, because I think the justice system is faulty, and believe a lot of innocent people could be put to death, and DNA evidence has proved people innocent who were locked up for years, and i believe forensic science is a field that is still growing, and still will improve with time, so I think life without the possibility of parole is better, just my personal opinion

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I've been reading up on some crazy stuff on the bible. A child cursing his parents, is punishable by death. A married person looking at someone else, is considered an adulterer, which is also punished by death. Who is supposed to carry out these "murders"?
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In the Old Testament people were condemned by the law, in the New Testament things changed, its by faith that we as Christians are justified, that doesn't give us a license to stay in our sin, we follow the commandments( Gods law) but if we make mistakes our Lord Jesus paid the price, the beating and death that was meant for us, we ask for forgiveness, we try our best to repent, we are human and we make mistakes and sin, but our sins are forgiving when we ask with a repenting heart, that what I've come to learn, I know some people might not agree, and that okay, I'm not trying to change anyone who thinks different
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So one part of the bible is null and void and the other part of the bible isn't? How do we as humans know which parts of the bible we abide by, and which parts we don't. If we are being taught two VERY different things, how are we to know what to do?
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none of it is null and void, God is the same God he has always been, he still feels the same about sin, death is still the price, but that's where Jesus stepped in, he is the sacrificial lamb, there is no condemnation for those who are covered by that blood, and that's what the cornerstone of our faith is build on, that's why we read the whole bible, it is still things we apply to our lives, but we are not condemned by the law anymore, we still try to follow it though, but that's not where our salvation comes from, it's by our faith in Christ and that we find that, and when we truly love God we want to obey him, not live in fear of the law
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You're making Jesus sound like a free pass. So basically. forget about old testament rules today and go by new testament ones (as interpreted by priests and ministers?) including the commandments? Then it's easy.... no more killing. Period. thou shalt not kill.
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And sins mean nothing, we "try" to abide by them, but faith in Christ is where salvation comes? So just merely believing gets you a ticket to Heaven? They why are Christians so opposed to Gay marriage. I know a lot of Gay people who go to church and believe in Christ. Is this ticked to Heaven not sent to them too?
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They should have been then.
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and Ticked should have been ticket.
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Gayness as a sin is definitely old testament. Leviticus. But the old testament rules don't apply any more.
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Nope, nor do sins, only faith count. I'm so confused.
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More worrisome then is that a lot of Christians cite the old testament eye for an eye as justification for capital punishment. If you go by the commandments then there's not an exception for prison wardens/executioners.
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That's very true. I guess, maybe my question should have been. Which bible is correct, because they are very different.
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And obviously I mean "correct" by Christian standards.
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Romans 1:26-27 talks about the gay topic it's New Testament, but, that's not my agenda right now, I am not for the death penalty, that what the question was about, I'm not trying to force my faith on anyone
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BxVigilant, I appreciate that you're not trying to force your faith on anyone, and I appreciate you taking time to help me understand. But again, I'm confused by things you've said. That is the only reason I brought up gay marriage. Because you said, "that's what the cornerstone of our faith is build on, that's why we read the whole bible, it is still things we apply to our lives, but we are not condemned by the law anymore, we still try to follow it though, but that's not where our salvation comes from, it's by our faith in Christ and that we find that," are you saying that sins don't really matter, the only thing that DOES matter is faith in Christ? That's how I took it.
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I'm not trying, to argue or offend, please, I am tolerant of people, and I don't spew hate on people who are different than me, I am a sinner, so I will not cast any stones, I'm a Christian, but I haven't walked on water, Cj you know about my past, I was a drunk, I am not hear to judge anyone, just answer questions to the best of my ability, I respect others rights, and freedoms, I just would like to be tolerated as well, contrary to popular belief not all Christians are the same, that's like putting a whole race, or ethnic group and saying all-----are the same, you can fill in the blank with anything and you will see that that is offensive and intolerant
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But good question, and discussion, this was actually the most mature discussion on this subject I've seen in awhile, and best conversation of the day :)
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You're not offending me Bx. If you don't want to answer my question that I just posted as a comment to you, that's fine. Just tell me. I'm not being rude, or judging. Just asking a simple question of you.
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When I said cornerstone of our faith I should have said mine
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Okay, gotcha! Thanks for clarifying.
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I like your questions, and comments Cj, they are intelligent, and mature, out of all the self proclaimed atheists on this site I would have to say you my favorite, at least we can have a intelligent conversation
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Bx, I'm not atheist. I'm actually Agnostic. :) But thank you!
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Im catholic, so i wouldent know :(

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Why'd you answer then?
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Catholics ARE Christians.
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I thought so too, but wasn't going to argue that part. lol
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Catholics pray to Mary, mother of Christ and to the saints, pray repetitive prayers, confess their sins to man, take communion every Sunday, believe in purgatory and so on, Christian do none if these!
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You are exacly right. Catholics as Catholics are not Christians.
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Christians DO take the Lord's supper but the condition is that your faith be in the correct object which is in Christ and what He did at the Cross. In I Corinthians 11: 24-34. Paul explains that by not having faith properly placed many eat and drink damnation becouse they do not properly discern the Lord's body.
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Christians do not believe in Mary, according to my Christian friend. Catholics do
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Catholics do "believe in Mary". In John ch 2:5 Mary tells the "servants", to o whatever "He" tells you., and these are the last recorded words of Mary. With this word, She stepped aside, in effect telling "the servants" to turn from Her to Him.In Mark 9:7 The Father told his "servants" to "hear him", which refeers to Christ In other words, Moses and Elihah are not to be placed on the sam par with Christ; the phrase acrually means, "be constantly hearing Him",it as well refers to obeying what is heard.
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While Christians do not make a doctrine around Mary, we definately do recognize her as a "Saint". Just because we do not deify her, we do not demonize her.
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Mary was upright in the eyes of God. All who believe in Christ Jesus are the Sons of God.
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Catholics were the first Christians kids. There was only Catholic or Orthodox until the 1500s.
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First-century Christians were the first believers in Christ- not Roman Catholics. First-century Christians did their best, according to the work of God , to "contend for the Faith which was once delivered unto the Saints(Jude 3).The Apostolic Early Church could well bear the title of "Catholic" which means "universal" because it included all true Christians, but soon, heated disputes arose over bishops, and the origionally homogenous church began to splinter. To make the salvation of the soul dependant on submission to some particular religious organization is ludicrous. Christ never authorized such.
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Ultimately, every sin we commit should result in the death penalty because the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Thankfully, God demonstrates His love for us in not condemning us (Romans 5:8).

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Well, Jesus addressed one of the religious leaders of Israel by the name o Nicodems. He was very religious, but truthfully he wasn't save; he was lost
Jesus told him verily verily i say unto you, Except a maan b born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God -This actually means that without the "new birth", one cannot understand or comprehend the'kingdm of God'
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While Jesus did not come to condemn, the Law of god deinately does convict of sin i.e. shows man he is a sinner , which it was designed to do, but by Jesus going to the cross(who had no legal right to die since the wages of sin is death)atoned for all sin past present and future, for all who believe on Him. Rom 10:4 Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
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"The wages of sin is death" meant spiritual death.
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The Bible does teach capitol punishment, but under very limited circumstances. Ther first Command, as far as we know, that was given by God concerning capitol punishment for the capitol crime of murder, was given immediately after the flood, some 1600 years from the time of Adam and Eve. In this covenant with Noah, the Lord said Whoso sheds man's blood by man shall his blood be shed; for in the Image of God mad He man. This was before He gave the Law to Moses. It was at the mouth of two or three winesses shall he who is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death Deuteronomy 17:6) The sixth commandment is thou shall not Kill, which the word kill should have been translated murder. There are times in scripture where men where put to death however for all the obvious reaons, such a sentence would rarely be handed down

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I've been reading up on some crazy stuff on the bible. A child cursing his parents, is punishable by death. A married person looking at someone else, is considered an adulterer, which is also punished by death. Who is supposed to carry out these "murders"?
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Esp, since it also says in the bible, judging someone is to be left up to God.
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Well in I Corinthians 2:14-15 th Paul touches on this saying : but the naturl man recieves not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishness unto him, niether ca he know them because they ae spiritually dicerned, but he who is spiritualjudges all tings, yet he himself is judged of no man. WHile God is the final judge, they who genuinly have the mind of Christ sees things as God sees them(v16)
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That doesn't tell me who is supposed to be doing the murdering of these guilty parties.
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All of the moral laws and as such have not changed Israel was neing prepared to hive the world the word of God, of which the first five books of Moses were the beginning, and as well to serve as the womb of the Messiah, which they ultimately did. As a result they where to be aHoly people. The church is called upon to live the word of God, which was hiven to the Jews, but supplemented by the New covenant, brought about by Christ nd the cross. The mission of the true church is not exactly the same as te mission of the Jews of old. While both are to be Holy, it was to the Jews who were to bring in the Messiah. If they would have engaged in these crimes they would have destroyed themselves as a people, which would have greatly hindered the coming of Christ.
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Hey Cj, if you want to understand who God is today, you need to focus on love, forgiveness, mercy, grace, & understanding.
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Since 1968 to 2005 our increase in the death penalty has increased massively... in 1968 the rate was 517 now it is 3,383... now tell me thats not insane!
In my opinion I think the death penalty has been taken over board... we need to find other ways of punishment... because if you think about this for a minute what IF the person on death row was innocent? Then we are killing them for no reason..

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I've been reading up on some crazy stuff on the bible. A child cursing his parents, is punishable by death. A married person looking at someone else, is considered an adulterer, which is also punished by death. Who is supposed to carry out these "murders"?
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God does not change, but human culture does. No matter how perfect or immortal I am, all the rules I write for one culture cannot be applied to another. Even so, God shows his wisdom by commanding us not to murdernor steal, to live thy neighbor, which are truly timeless rules. You have to remember that this rule is found along side others like "do not shave" or "do not boil a goat in its mother's milk." Odd and unecessary today, but of great relevence back then.
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You know I don't qualify but....

1. New: Turn the other cheek.
2. Old: Eye for an Eye.

The Bible is a buffet with old and new testaments. Pick the dishes that appeal to you. Oh, also there's that "thou shalt not kill" thing.

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I asked this question, because the bible is so full of murdering. And death being the main sentence for disobeying. If we followed the bible, who would be the one murdering all these people?
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God, of course. Or sometimes He asks people to do it for him so they get waivers on the commandments. And then there are mass murders like the flood.
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Crazy. An "oh so loving" "caring" God, condeming everyone, for trivial things.
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<shrug> It was before there was prozac.
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Lmbo, would explain a lot!
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The New Testament fulfills all that was given by the Old Laws. You are confused because you think the Old Laws still apply. Jesus is the New Law and through His blood and faith alone we are saved, not by all of the old rules and laws that were always impossible for any human to follow. God gave us this gift because He loves us and wants us to be with Him.
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God created us. The mass murder as you call it was because HIS creation was filled with sin and since He has all the power he let us all die in the flood except for Noah and family who would replenish the earth with a more perfect human who would love Him as Noah did. God then promised to never do that again and instead gave us His son as a savior for our sins.
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Right. If you create something you can kill it. That's exactly how our laws work, too, when it comes to parents disciplining their children.
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The world of that day was horribly wicked It was not their wickedness, but their worldliness, unbelief and indifference to the Truth, that is held up as a warning. (Luke 17:26) Even though these recorded events of Old Testament history are-denied or explained away by, man these events are referred to here as facts
(1Tim 6:19-21). I would recant on that statement, because God is not a murderer. He does not throw people away if they don’t live up to religious men’s expectations (Eph 6:10). On the contrary he has infinite patience, and draws everyone to accept Christ. Upon acceptance one receives Justification. Even in the Old Testament it was still by Faith in the sacrifice. Heb 9:22; Rom ch.4ex.Justification by Faith- Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness, before the Law of Moses was even given.
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Religion's dead and no one should ever resort to such frivolous superstitions when it comes to taking a life.

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I asked this question, because the bible is so full of murdering. And death being the main sentence for disobeying. If we followed the bible, who would be the one murdering all these people?
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If anyone ever enforced the laws of the bible, we'd be back in the 1600's when it comes to cultural understandings of others. That's why no one enforces them and no one is required to have a religion at all. Our morals actually make enough sense that we can base our laws around them and not around a book written centuries ago.
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Who gave you your morals and life itself? And I'm not talking about your mommy.
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WE developed out own morals based on how we humans interact with others. You people just thought it was absolutely necessary to write them all down in case you forgot and then came up with "god" in order to have a powerful entity behind your writing. I don't know which planet you're really from, but I came from the explosions of millions of suns and evolved over time to become who I am today.
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The bible says you should leave punishment to God. I suppose jail is not that major but death penalty is.

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all are under a death penalty

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I'm catholic , but I do believe in death penalty .

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I have struggled with this question for many, many years. My internal arguments go something like this: Killing an innocent person is so horrid that I can't stand the thought. On the other hand, terrible, terrible people are released or escape and then they kill more innocent people, which they couldn't do if they were executed. Keeping a person in prison is extremely expensive, rehabilitation of violent offenders is a dream for most and not a reality. Revenge is not Christian. Foolishness, such as releasing a person who does not know right from wrong, or is a sociopath, is blindness and cannot be tolerated.

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It costs APPROXIMATELY $35,000 per year to keep one person in jail, how about rehabilitating them so they can find work and learn how to live a happy, productive life. Guess you can see that I'm conflicted. I was once told by a Supreme Court Justice (Oregon) that it costs less to put a teen through college (full tuition, room and board) and buy them a new car, than it does to keep them in prison for 4 years. Why don't we practice prevention instead of closing the barn door after the horses are out. Instead of locking them up after they have failed at life, let's give them counseling as young students, offer parents parenting classes, and offer a wider range of education so all kids' interests are developed instead of expecting everyone to go to college for their career training. I don't think the death penalty would be much of an issue if we refocused on prevention of crime, and enabling young people to have dreams, visions of success, and proper guidance.
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Thank you for your very extensive answer sister girl.

I asked this question, because the bible is so full of murdering. And death being the main sentence for disobeying. If we followed the bible, who would be the one murdering all these people?
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The Old Testament was pretty full of the Mosaic law, eye for an eye and that kind of thinking. Who would do the executing? Executioners, mobs, you know, everybody that wanted to join in! The New Testament quotes Jesus as saying the Mosaic law is to be replaced by turn the other cheek thinking. But, as has been made abundantly clear on this site, people pick and choose what they are going to believe.
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Good point fishie. Maybe why I get so confused by Christians. Because they are telling me two seperate things, from two different books. Hmm.
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Pretty much. And the Bible is open to interpretation by the masses, with ministers, preachers, and priests leading the way. Don't get me wrong, there are many ministers, preachers and priests that are very good people, truly love God and their congregations, and sincerely want to follow Jesus' teachings.
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But are mere men.
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My thought exactly! There are also those who are only in it for the power and influence they get from their "sheep-like" congregations.
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Sad isn't it?
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Ahuh, very.
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Koichan, you hit on some great points, and I so agree with what you have said, and am torn, as are you. Well said, indeed!
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Thank you Mom, I appreciate your support and agreement.
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You're welcome. :)
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Everyone seems to be referencing the bible here, but anyways... I think that it is really tempting sometimes to cleanse the earth of people who cause pain to others. Im not talking minor things of corse, I mean rapists and murderers. While the world would be undoubtably a better place without those people, I do not believe that it is morally just to respond to violence with violence. For example, the death penalty is pretty much a warning for people to not to murder others. But while trying to prove how taking a life is a sin, they are in turn, talking one. So to sum up, no I do not believe in the death penalty... but if Im being honest, I wish murders, rapists, ect.. would just do us a favour and drop dead of 'natural causes'. (Ps I am Catholic)
Sorry if my answer is jumbled of confusing, I blame lack of sleep.

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Referencing the bible makes sense, this question is geared towards Christians.
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I realize that, I just didnt see an opinion like the one I have on this thread, so I thought my two cents may be of some use.
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We need to utilize it very frequently very often

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Murders rapists and child molesters and kidnappers
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And you're Christian?
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That's right Absolutly
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Okay thank you very much for your input. I agree with you whole heartedly and I'm Agnostic!
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Keep the line moving get rid of all the jails and prisons one prison in each state not a big one a small one .After you are found guilty you will be executed by seven sheriffs with shot guns and we will not need electric chair or ridiculous things that go with the process
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We're on the same page!
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Do you know how many people on death row have later been found not guilty? By your logic, if you put to death even ONE innocent person, you yourself are a murderer and deserve death.
There's also the fact that the death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent in any way but that's beside the point.
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The death penalty needs to be utilized very often 3 times a day if not more 7Days a week and I won't feel sorry for that skeptakitten needs to think more of the victims than the perpetrators
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You are more concerned about protecting evil than you are the innocent .
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You need to reavaluate your opinion
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Because you are wrong
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How does killing the perpetrator help the victims? It doesn't. It doesn't deter other crimes either.

It's just revenge, and what good does that do anyone?

And I notice you avoided the part about innocent people on death row being killed. Willing to step up and put your own life on the line to guarantee they are all guilty?
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People are tuning a muck doing what ever they please because we do not us the death penalty
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Bull. The states that execute the highest percentage of offenders have the highest crime rates. The states with no death penalty have lower violent crime rates.
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You are wrong if we establish a functioning death penalty we would not have the problems in society that we have
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Research and actual statistics prove otherwise. Are you even aware that pretty much every other developed nation has discarded the death penalty and yet they all have far lower crime rates than we do?

The death penalty is usually liberally applied in third world nations and oppressive theocracies.
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Who did?

I'm assuming you said something offensive then.
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Nothing offensive just some thing honest from the heart .Death penalty needs to be utilized very frequently
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Again- all the facts show that doesn't help crime at all.
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The truth is if people new that they would be executed emediatly that would not do the crime you can not believe any different than that because it makes sense your way promotes crime
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Except states with the highest number of executed criminals have the MOST crime. You keep ignoring that fact but that doesn't make it less true.
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If they feel they will get away with what there doing they will make a career out of it like they are doing now.
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Again- research proves otherwise. The death penalty is not a deterrent, no matter how much you pretend it is.
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Aside from all the religious concerns regarding this issue, the fact remains that the litigation involved costs more than it would for a lifetime incarceration. So I don't know why anyone would think it's a good idea.

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The cost of kilIing someone, costs about a quarter. That's even figuring a little high for one bullet.
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Litigation refers to the legal fees. Not the cost of actually killing someone.
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There shouldn't be litigation. You murder someone, you revoke your rights. It's done and over with. No court, no jurer, no money spent.
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But there is always litigation in a death penalty case because the defense will automatically appeal it no matter what state and society pays for this.
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I know that. I'm just voicing my opinion. It would help out A LOT if they did this.
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Oh okay I see what you're saying. Litigation should not be allowed.
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Except many people on death row have later been found to be not guilty. By the logic involved in the death penalty, if you put to death a single innocent person, you are now a murderer and deserve death.

Plus, there's just no point to the death penalty. Research proves it's not a deterrent. It certainly does nothing for the victim or their family. It just is state-sponsored revenge.
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Yeah I agree. There are just too many issues with it other than the religious issues.
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I fail to see what true justice is carried out by the death penalty. I fail to see the morality of "man" putting "man" to death. I fail to see the logic of those that scream "pro life" then support the death penalty. We are to judge crime, we are not such a civilized people we are capable of judging when a life should end...

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I asked this question, because the bible is so full of murdering. And death being the main sentence for disobeying. If we followed the bible, who would be the one murdering all these people?
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I fail to see why those who are against the death penalty find it okay for a mother to choose death for the human growing inside of her and act upon it by aborting (murdering) that human, which is most often the case in the death penalty versus abortion.
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One is innocent, vs another who is not.
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One is provably a person and the other is not.
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CJ; the Bible's stance on "wages of sin is death" is spiritual & it's not for disobedience, it's for denying God. The Old Testament is full of wars, thus killing, I agree. These wars were sometimes called by God. You'd have to know God to understand. (Not implying you don't simply stating understanding of God is best delivered by God--logical) Some of the wars were waged by Kings or Judges (leaders before Kings/Queens). While I thoroughly enjoy discussing the Bible, I'm a bit confused how the question went from how Christians feel about the death penalty to who called the wars in the Bible...death may be the common result but very different topics indeed! :)
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First, I think it is odd that generally those who are against the death penalty are for a woman's right to choose the death of the human growing inside of her.
Second, if a person is caught in the act of the murder and/or the evidence is undeniable, the death penalty is correct punishment. To make people pay via taxes to keep them alive, fed, housed, with free health care is a punishment to society and not the perpetrator.
Third, I sure would not want to be the one to carry out the execution even if it was a loved one who they killed. So this is something I would leave up to the well informed voters of each state to decide.
I personally would have to pray long and hard. I probably would stay confused for a long time as to what should be done. Maybe keep them alive but with a lot less comforts given most in prison. They should be kept miserably unhappy.

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bigred, thank you for your answer. I agree with it.
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There are many people in this world that have no business on this planet. Even though I can't stand the thought of having to pay for them in prison I don't believe we have the right to sentence them to die.

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I personally would never sentence anyone to death. I love chances.

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Chance for a psychopathic serial killer?
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Yes, a chance away from society to be reborn. Sorry Suz, just the way I feel.
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Don't be sorry hon! You have the right to your opinion or feelings even if you are wrong hahaha!! SERIOUSLY, just kidding! If I THOUGHT they were fixable I'd agree. One thing about death row tho, many have found God from what I hear. Perhaps their death is their saving also? Maybe?
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I was just discussing the "death bed" with hubby.
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You mean in case you're in a coma?
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Ok, ya got me a bit nervous.... Every things ok, right?
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Yes, lol, everythings fine.
My husband was on his death bed when he seen his final chance. This death thing or real fear changes people.
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Oh, sorry about your husband. Glad he did accept Christ tho and that you're ok!! Remember it doesn't matter when he accepted but that he DID, "he who is first ....."
My parents both died 3 months apart. Shay, when I went to Fla to see them before I walked in the house and felt hell. I mean my skin was crawling off me, every fiber of my being wanted to run out the door, it was freaky!! It happened 2 times I went down there. I could not understand WHY.... then a few years ago I recovered memories of their horrors inflicted on me. I get it now.
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Wow, that sounds traumatic. I am pleased you are living for today & tomorrow with Christ as your husband.
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This deathbed thing interests me. My father was an athiest. He had a op and nearly died in hospital. When he was released and became well enough, he found Jesus.
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I think the deathbed brings on a spiritual awakening more than skid row. It's a chance. Not a sentence. I'm pleased to hear that about your dad. How amazing is our God.
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I'm for it. In fact I wish they would execute pedophiles since we know there's no cure.

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I consider myself Christian but believe very strongly for the death penalty

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Let me add the bible says an eye for an eye. Enough said
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I am all for it. I don't think it's used enough. Yes, my religion preaches forgiveness but you can only forgive so much .

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And forgiveness does not exclude punishment. I agree!
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Exactly! I just got into this debate with my mom
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I would not hold such a judgment against a person. I did not give life, so I do not have the right to take life away. That right rests only with the Heavenly Father.

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WOW, insightful answer.
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You're still not here.
Do I seem like a stalker. If so, I'm your stalker. lol.
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I'm really sorry, I told you I'm a kook. I'll be norm.
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I hate norm. Be yourself. I like people to be themselves. Anyway, I like kooks. ha ha! Please forgive me for making you feel bad, Shay. Didn't mean to. Honest.
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Thanyou from my depths. I feel we are all good. am I right? I do love feeling comforted.
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Oh & Punk, you have nothing to be sorry for. I am the one that needed to apologize, not you.
Lov ya man. ;-)
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Did you actually find my apology? I've been searching for it all day & still can't find it. My stupid phones internet connection is soooo slow. It's frustrating. I can't even remember whose profile its under. Any help?
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I'm against it. However I believe that person should be put in prison for the rest of their life with no chance of parole. This will give them the rest of their live to perhaps repent and get right with God and serve God by sharing His Word to the inmates in prison. The Apostle Paul was a converted murderer and spent most of his entire life in prison.

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You took the words right outta my mouth.
++++++ Meat Loaf ++++++
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God Bless shay!
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Same all over you James.
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