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Do we need more gun control and mental health programs?

Do you feel Gun Control and more Mental Health program will limit the violence that are rapidly taking the lives of our love ones and fellow-man?

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Gun control = victim disarmament ... so no.

"Mental health programs" ... like what? If people don't want to get treatment, how are they going to be forced to? Lock them up forever?

I distrust the government to come up with any solution that doesn't lead to more government control over our lives. And lead to tyranny.

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We as a people need to just care and have love for one another - it isnt always a criminal who is committing these crimes - but Americans who is tired of a GREEDY and NON-COMPASSIONATE society.

The criminals do not walk into a store and buy a gun -he resort to the black market. The only Mental Health Treatment we need in place is COMPASSION for one another - when since do people get use to being HOMELESS, HUNGRY, AND CAST-OUTas a nobody in a land as plentiful as The United States.
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Gun control doesn't equal disarming the victim. No one is trying to outlaw guns- just make smarter regulations. And let's be honest- no one needs military modifications or high capacity magazines or assault rifles for sport or protection, their only use is killing multiple targets quickly. Or bragging rights for macho jerks.
A gun in the home is nearly fifty times more likely to injure or kill someone who LIVES there than it is to be used for self protection.
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A fully-loaded gun in the hand, is priceless.

As I have pointed out numerous times, Skepti ... no one NEEDS a car, either. And the government believes cars are killing the planet. But it's not government's place to tell people what they need.

And you're mistaken about "high capacity" magazines.
They are very necessary, when you are facing multiple opponents.
Which is the case in the majority of home break-ins, when the owner is home.
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@roosvelt: are you a hippy? (I'm a hippy so don't take offense, it's a good thing if you are) @skeptkitten: I've heard that % before. Did you know that there are more car related deaths than gun related! Oh and did you know that a limb on the tree in a yard is fifty percent more likely to fall on a PERSON rather then the ground? I think we should make tree control legal!
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Well, we all have cars, and we have strict DUI regulations which have cut car related deaths by two thirds in the last two decades. And the branch statistic makes no sense. Please cite your source. Anyway, what would that entail? There are already ordinates in place about tree property safety, and that has nothing to do with guns. We have more restrictions on cars than on guns.
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zoological: no source, I was being sarcastic!
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Walt, if you can't hit intruders with a standard six rounds, you should go back to target practice.
There are only a handful of home breakins a year thwarted by a homeowner with a gun- much less one with multiple perps. Thousands a year die in accidents or crimes of passion from guns in the home.

Raven-
That's why we have so many regulations on cars, dear. You must have licensure which requires an exam, you must have insurance and inspections, there are thousands of driving infractions you can be fined or jailed for. You are sort of making my point for me.
Let's not forget there are also hundreds of modifications to cars that are street illegal. Again, you're arguing for my side with your example not yours.
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skept: dude, just because there are more laws and regulations on cars doesn't mean there are 40,000 less car related deaths a year in the US alone. if you think guns should be illegal then so should cars with the argument you have!
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I said smarter gun laws not illegal. Cars are dangerous so we have many laws. Guns need them too.

I have no idea why gun proponents seem to think that it's all or nothing- no regulation or guns are illegal. Or that they seem to fail to understand that the Second Amendment does not guarantee any weapon you like without regulation and was meant for a well regulated militia.

And don't call me "dude". I'm a woman, and it's immature.
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Considering the juvenile nature of your so-called argument, your false analogy fallacy, and your complete lack of facts I'd say it was you who was being "stupid".
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well sense neither one of us is going to change the other ones mind, why don't we stop arguing?
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A few words if advice- learn to support your arguments with actual evidence, don't resort to childish name-calling, and learn to spell.

Perhaps people would take you more seriously in an argument.
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Of. Autocorrect.
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well then, we can take the class together. because you need to learn how to spell just as much as me, a little grammar would hurt you either.
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wouldn't*
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No, only cracking down on ALL of the criminal elements using weapons in a commission of a crime. And that includes our federal attorney general also!

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NNNOOOOO!!!! Less gun control!!! I used to live in Florida where everyone had a gun and there was almost no violence!!! when there was a robbery or something, the people always handled it because they all had guns too!

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Florida actually has an extremely high violent crime rate.

Less gun control is never the answer. Who the hell needs military assault rifles and high capacity magazines for sport or protection? Their only purpose is killing multiple people quickly.
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Well even if the crime was high, not many people died except for the criminal! More gun control will only make the crime and death rate go up!
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The murder rate is very high too. The same states with lax gun laws and high percentages of gun ownership also have extremely high murder and violent crime rates.

States with high regulations in guns have lower rates. Your opinion does not match up to the statistics.
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Dot dot dot
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What about the insanely stupid stand your ground law that has killed two teenagers?
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Does the term vigilante justice mean anything to you? You better look it up.
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zoological: I hate laws period soooo.....get rid of it.
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kw: are you talking to me or zoologicalrevival?
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And you think a society with no laws would not degenerate into a free-for-all? Anarchy doesn't work.
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slept: I didn't say doing want any laws!
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You said you "hate laws period".
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doesn't mean I think they all should go away!
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Then you're inconsistent. How can you hate them all if you realize they are necessary?
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easy, same way I'm smart enough to realize that I need to eat vegetables even though I hate them!
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Oh and I apologize, I just found out that I was wrong, It wasn't Florida that has less crime because of all the guns every where, it's Alabama!
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Then how do you decide on which are necessary and which not? Who gets to decide? On what criteria? You remarked to "just get rid of" one law and oppose gun control, but seem to have no rhyme, reason, or logic behind any of these.

Honestly you sound a bit like a child. You make claims that are counter to facts, you resort to name calling when challenged, you have not a shred of support for a single argument you make. It's actually kind of amusing you call yourself "smart".
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I'm sorry but like I said on the other chat, I have my views and you have yours, it seems that neither one of us is going to change their views so I'll step up here and end this pointless argument!
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If I had a dollar for every time this was asked....

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criminals..don't play by the rules...

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So true!
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We need a combination of smarter gun laws and an improved mental health system. The issue is complex and there will never be a simple answer.

However, the answer will never be MORE guns and unrestricted access.

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If it weren't 4 guns we would all be dead right now

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So true!
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Well, 20 children are dead right now because of a gun.
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Yeah so is one of my friends that I grew up with (not same situation) he was murdered. but because of that, I am even more against gun control, if everyone at that party had had s gun (or even just one other person) my friend wouldn't be dead! Oh and if everyone at that school had had a gun (or at least one other person) all if those kids wouldn't be dead either!
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You've got that right!
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No! Less of both.

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Gun control only effects the honest law-abiding citizen, criminals do not care about or abide by the law. They meed to arm the honest citizens and see what the criminals do then.

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I heard a startling statistic reported on the tv today, Women who live in a home where there is a gun are 500 times more likely to be victims of gun violence than women who don't. I'll see if I can find confirmation & provide a link. Stay tuned.

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Ok, there is a ton. Google domestic violence guns .
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Taking away guns or restricting access of guns to law-abiding people is the knee-jerk reaction from politicians that use tragic situations to push their agendas down our throats. These people sicken me....if I was a conspiracy theorist I might think that some of these horrible events were planned so that they could push their gun control bills through with less resistance. After all, when 20 young children are murdered who wouldn't want more gun control? People need to react less emotionally and be more rational. And of course mental health is an issue. But how to deal with it is complicated. There are no easy answers.

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I agree with what you are saying and a lot that is in place - or pushing to be placed into our agenda - has already been planned. Our government leaves a lot to be desired - that is why in the Bible it say "I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.(Jeremiah 10:23) Man has used every form of rulership to their own benefit. Have you even ever gave thought to Identity theft? How is that possible? I can't even overdraw my own account or change various part of my identity without getting flag - yet somone was able to take my information and go shopping on my credit card. How? I have to pull out all kinds of IDs - I do not trust man and what he is trying to put into action.
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I totally agree. Our government has been involved in so much shady stuff, they withhold so much information with their closed door sessions and lack of lucidity.I try not to be paranoid but like I always say....a little suspicion goes a long way. QUESTION AUTHORITY!!!
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I agree with both of you!
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If you will personally go and collect the guns from all the criminals in the world I will agree to your terms. How many of them do you think will give up there guns for legal reasons?

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I agree there is no way to reduce the number & lethality of the weapons that are already "out there" and I am no constitutional expert - but is there some reason why the problem can't be approached from the supply side of the equation? Restrictions on what the arms manufacturers can produce & sell? It would take decades, I suppose, but eventually, wouldn't the number of those kinds of weapons in circulation decline?
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Well perhaps in developed countries yes. But besides 3rd world vampirizing us like they do with drug sales now we could not contend with corruption either. The price of guns would simply sky rocket and we would start to see centers of power in a way we don't want to. I agree its an issue but its not going to go away until we have the rest of the world on board I think. I can't know though. This is not my area of expertise but I don't think steeper gun control laws are in order for the people. I think mental health checks sound like a delightful idea. You'd need to discuss that with someone more refined in commercial law. I'm simply too uneducated to be any kind of authority on restrictions for suppliers. I do know how our drug schemes work though and I fear any resemblance between the two.
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I agree, the black-market is always an issue with any restricted product but I think the analogy of guns and drugs only goes so far. Illicit drugs are bought & consumed, not stock-piled, for one thing; not the murder weapon of choice as a rule,for an another.
Other developed (free,democratic,stable) countries have found ways to avoid a domestic arms race, it can be done. They aren't hampered by a 2nd amendment and an industry that comprises a huge percentage of their economy, though. The future of America is beginning to look like a giant maximum security facility on permanent lock-down. This looks like freedom to anybody?
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You're right, America seems to be in a permanent state of lock-down. But I see this as more of a "decline in moral values" problem than a gun control problem. Young people that are not even fully cooked yet are having babies because their parents aren't around to parent them.Yes, they have all the newest toys but none of the guidance. There seems to be a void where respect and morals used to be. People feel disconnected. And everybody's too busy to notice or do anything about it.
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