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This may be a crazy question,forgive me, but, but who had a bigger impact JESUS CHRIST or Gandhi?

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Nobody has ever waged war in the name of Gandhi's father!

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Hahaha!
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it depends on the time period we are talking about

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Anytime
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Of All Histroy
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Suzie17

Jesus

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Jesus, it's a known fact.

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Jesus. His teachings are still impacting the world.2000 years after he set foot here.

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Jesus. Even though there is very little evidence he existed, he still caused more war, death, sadness and pain than Gandhi caused peace.

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JESUS didn't cause any of those things, he caused happines, love and peace!
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He caused a religion, which in turn caused those things. It leads back to him.
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@ Brethon, The statement of "even though there is very little evidence he existed, he still caused more war, death, sadness and pain than Gandhi caused peace" goes beyond anything I could ever believe anyone could think or say. The Bible is all the evidence that's needed; but then I realize you'd have to believe it first. As far as war, death, sadness and pain, do you HONESTLY think that those things would NOT happen with "just" Ghandi, in our lives? I'm sorry, but that's almost laughable. Jesus did not "cause a religion". He didn't just "preach" what we should be or do. He "lived" every bit of it. Christianity is a life that changes everyone who opens their hearts to it. If a heart is hardened, that's because God gives us a free will to choose who we follow.
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He didn't cause a religion? He is the main difference between Jews and Christians! He is the reason that your religion isn't a sect of Judaism. I don't understand what you mean by "Do you think those things would not happen with just Gandhi?" I assume you mean that you think I'm saying gandhi could stop all violence. I did not say that, or even hint at it. It would've happened regardless of Jesus, but it leads back to him, all of the same. I used to be a christian, I deconverted.
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There's no use to waste any words on your "debate" about Jesus. It's quite evident your heart has hardened and I'm sorry to hear about your de-conversion. I don't like to "debate" or "argue" about the most important thing in my life. So if you want the floor to say anything else, you may have it. I know what I believe is true and right and I have no question in my mind about it. I have nothing else to say, so you can have at it, Sir.
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That's never a good position to have. If you refuse to learn from debates, how can you ever grow as a person?
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Amen Sissy! Like they say " never argue with a fool they beat you with expierience " lol
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That's a new one for me, Justmex. I love it and appreciate it! LOL
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Amen Sissy. This guy once said he didn't think Jesus was Christ but did wonderful things for Christianity haha! I just about fell off my chair laughing!!
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ROFL Now that's a good one. BTW, I just used your "argue with a fool" saying. That's a great one, honey. Thank you sooo much. You're a doll!
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When did I say that?
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Oh, good grief. Not you.
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I was referring to suzie's comment
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Oh sorry breth, when I said "this guy" I meant ANOTHER guy, not you.
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This comment is to brethon, before JESUS there was no Christian religion, but when he rose from the dead, Christianity formed, and FYI, war, death, sadness and pain was happening way before JESUS was on earth.
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I wasn't saying that all war, death, sadness and pain is Jesus' fault, but he caused his fair share. There is also no evidence that he rose from the dead, just like there is very little evidence he existed.
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Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but these are my last words to you, brethon, and if you want the floor again and other people want to respond to your ridiculous banter they can. But here is my quote from Solomon 26: 4: "Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself." Bye-bye.
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So, because I disagree with you I'm a fool? That sounds like someone who is unwilling to learn.
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She's not calling you a fool.....UNLESS you are one, and name one thing JESUS did that caused harm, because he didn't people didn't. And name one thing JESUS killed by his hands
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Thank you, Hezekiah.
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I am saying that through the religion that he made, he caused all of those things, learn to read. Who is she calling a fool then? Is she just randomly throwing scripture in her posts? She was clearly saying that I am a fool, because if not, than she's calling either herself or one of you a fool.
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Hezekiah, don't bother trying to take up for me anymore, honey, because after this comment, I'm truly out of this conversation. However, you truly will never know how much I appreciate you. The scripture said what it said and Mr. Brethon, it has nothing to do with you disagreeing with me. I will agree to disagree with anyone, but you will not do that. So, here are my other scriptures that will leave no doubt about how I feel regarding your statements. I'm just simply tired of reading what "I" feel is ridiculous material. You believe as you want. I believe as I believe. Period. No more arguing about it on this end. I'm not the judge and jury; however, neither are you. You've been a waste of my time now for 3 days and that makes "me" foolish. So, this is how I feel, why, and how I'm dealing with it, by quoting and living by these scriptures:
"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town." Mt. 10:14.....I'm getting the heck out of Dodge.
(AND THIS IS THE MAIN REASON YOU CAN TALK UNTIL YOU'RE BLUE IN THE FACE, BUT IT WON'T BE TO ME): "Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels."
2 Tim. 2:23
Now, just so you don't have to ask anybody else...yes, I think you're foolish; not because you don't have the faith that I have, but because of just flat out dumb and foolish statements made about Jesus, war, Ghandi, etc., And then I realize, well, who also is starting to act foolish? And the answer is me. Why am I wasting time in a "quarrel" with a kid who "deconverted" from being a Christian when I could be spending it talking with people who WANT to know about Jesus? Well, the answer is I DON'T HAVE THE FOGGIEST! Oh, my gosh! Now, although I think you're foolish, you're smart in some ways, so surely to goodness you won't have to ask someone what any of this means. Now, no more.
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this comment is for brethon 1, JESUS didnn't cause any harm, the people who saw him do great things, got angry at him, JESUS didn't cause harm by his own hands, the people did, GOD sent JESUS to save us and love us, not to harm or create war.
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this comment is for SissyMom, you are a great women, I thank you for your kind words.
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Hezekiah Taylor, you bring tears to my eyes. You're a wise soul and I commend you for standing up for what you believe in. I have no doubt you're going to give many people great blessings because you let God speak through you. God Bless You, Hezekiah. And thank You for all you've done. God put an angel in my pathway and I'm blessed that we met.
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I'm a non religious person but I think from a stand point of text Gandhi didn't accomplish much. Jesus started a new religion

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Well, regardless of religious views, Jesus has had a much larger effect than Gandhi. Gandhi was a good guy, but he doesn't affect most people's day to day life, while the idea of Jesus affects most people's lives, whether they are christian or not.

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Who turned water into wine?? There ya go!

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Dionysus turned water into wine thousands of years before Jesus was born, so HA!
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BUT, Dionysus didn't turn it into wine by his own hands, he needed materials to do that so HAHAHAHAHAHA! THAT
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Gandi's I m p a c t Is Limited
Whereas J e s u s Christ
Of Nazareth's Impact Is
Eternal As He Reigns,
Lives and Loves
Forever.

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Suzie17
Amen ><>
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To H i m Be
All Glory
Lol :)
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well said
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Thank You
B e r r y
Girl :)
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fritzmerde

Gandhi did a great deal for the people of India, some good and some not so good. I'm not from India so the effect of his hunger strikes has done little for me. Jesus being the son of God creator of the heavens and the earth, has been and always will be the creator. Without Jesus, there would have been no Gandhi

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It's quite simple. Jesus. God sent His only Son to come and die a very painful, cruel death on a cross to take our sins on His shoulders so we wouldn't have to pay an eternal death without God. I don't think any man on the face of this earth, no matter how good, could have done that, not even Ghandi, not even Mother Theresa. I personally experience His presence every day of my life and without Him I would be nothing. He is the love of my life. I could never get through any of my hard times without Him.Jesus.

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1000 Stars !! Thank you !
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Thank you, dear. You're very sweet to say that.
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Your are a very blesses women....AMEN and may GOD bless you
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Thank you, Hezekiah. And may God bless you in EVERYTHING you do. I just praise His name and rejoice in the fact that He always goes before us and always is behind us. We are ALWAYS encompassed in His love and protection. Amen and Amen.
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Well.let's see: Jesus - a two thousand year marketing campaign
Gandhi - less than a hundred
Mmnn. Ask me again later.:)

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It really depends on who you ask. Gandhi made a realistic impact on people as there was proof that he physically existed. Both he and JC challenged the government of their time, both were good at motivating people to make a change.

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Good point.. But Jesus never challenged the Roman Govt. during his days
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Well, he was a bit of a rebel rouser, he pissed off the Romans and the Jews that controlled the temples. He was like a thorn in their side. Anyone who had the ability to control people, like he did, was a threat to the Romans. Leaving the whole son of god thing out of it and just focusing on what his platform was, he was more like an activist/leader, who fought for the rights of the misfits in society.
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Gandhi -- beyond any reasonable doubt. But let's compare:

Jesus: "I came not to send peace. I came to send sword".
Gandhi: "An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind".

Jesus: "Buy swords".
Gandhi: "I believe that a man is the strongest soldier for daring to die unarmed".

Jesus: "If a man hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, he cannot be my be his disciple".
Gandhi: "Hatred ever kills, Love never dies, such is the vast difference between the two. What is ordained by love is retained for all time. What is obtained by hatred proves a burden in reality, for it increases hatred".

Jesus: "Those who would not that I should reign over them, bring them hither and slay them before me".
Gandhi: "Before you do anything, stop and recall the face of the poorest most helpless destitute person you have seen and ask yourself, Is what I am about to do going to help him".

It seems to me that while Jesus was an eternal fiend, Gandhi was an eternal saint!! And, as a rule, a saint has more to offer to mankind than a fiend.

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If you forgot, Gandhi was NOT a Christian!! Jesus had nothing to do with Gandhi's (or any human life, for that matter) birth or life. Better yet, there are abundant reasons to doubt the very existence of Jesus himself!!
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Pious666, You Refer The
Jesus As A Fiend Twice
In Y o u r Comment
Above: Freudian
Slip? Jesus Is
Not A Fiend
devil. He Is
A Friend
4Ever.
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D e f I n i t i o n
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Freudian Slip
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noun
1. (in Freudian psychology) an inadvertent mistake in speech or writing that is thought to reveal a
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person's unconscious motives, wishes, or attitudes.
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this comment is for pious, WITHOUT JESUS Gandhi would be in burning hell, and one more thing, if JESUS doesn't exist how are you breathing, secondly, then who created you, if not GOD?
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@Hez, he would probably be believing that there is no "God" and that his life and all other life just came about from the creation of the universe, and out of billions of the planets created one just happened to have a bipedal omnivorous species of intelligent life created on it, not because a "god" or "god-like figure" created it. It's what he believes. You should accept that he disagrees with you, and realize, that others believe what they do and don't like you trying to change that.


@Pious666, I'm sure you went through all the qoutes you could find from Jesus, and compared them to all the best qoutes by Gahndi. Like a said to Hezakiah, respect others religions. It only turns into these long arguments about who's right when you don't.


Let's all get along for the sake that we are all human beings, here, on this planet, and no-matter what someone believes, they really aren't that different than you. Get along not because you share a faith, but because it's the right thing to do.
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@Pious, I meant to say you found all the worst quotes from Jesus, and compared them to the best quotes from Gahndi.
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@PsalmBoy: I have simply stated my honest opinion. I believe honesty always is the best policy -- be it in private or public. If it is my honesty that you objected to then I have nothing to say. But if it is rather my conviction about Jesus then please know that I am taught to tell a cow, a cow and nothing else? I read the bible and I find Jesus to be the fiend as I described above. The way that I don't object your views about me, I expect others to allow me the same right to have my views on you or Jesus or anybody. Thanks though.
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@HezekiahT: Jesus had absolutely nothing to do with Gandhi. Gandhi was a devout Hindu -- an unbeliever in the eyes of Jesus; hence not at all related to the Christian fable of redemption.

However, to answer your indoctrination, about me or Gandhi being born, breathe and live, let me ask you how did the billions of people who were born, breathed and lived in the billion of years (I don't believe in the bible's absurd claim of this universe being 6006 years old) before the time Jesus is said to have lived?

And regarding god creating me, please tell me, before I can answer you this question, that who exactly created your god?
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@TomBurken: While I appreciate your toleration and respect for everyone, I really can't agree to your views upon the quotes of Jesus.

Remember, he is claimed to have been a god -- a "perfect" and an "all good" god and the bible as "infallible words" of that god. I object to such contradictions. If the above verses are god's words then the god who spoke those is an infinite monster rather than an infinite god. If the above verses are wrongly attributed to Jesus then bible is a forgery in its entirety. Such filth as stated above cannot, and is not, the words or verses ascribed to such god. To ascribe such monstrosity as his words to any god is a slander against the very idea of god.

But thank you for your eloquence about "agreeing to disagree" with respect. Thanks again.
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JamesKaeberle

Jesus Christ. For He is God. Therefore nobody alive put together can have more impact then He. He create all things even Ghandi.

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If you went to any major city (outside India or that area) and pulled a random sample aside and asked them who they knew more about, Jesus or Ghandi, id about guarantee you a quarter of those people wouldnt know who Ghandi even was and another quarter couldnt tell much of anything about him other than he was some old indian who was into peace. Wheras i bet 80-90% had at least heard of Jesus and another 80% of them could give you some facts, whether they believe in him or not, about what is believed of him. I know who he was, saw a documentary at school but i couldnt give you any facts about him.
If you do an internet search for 'the most famous historic person' Jesus Christ tops almost every list while Ghandi is a bit further down.

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