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Why do some Christians believe so strongly in the 6,000 year old Earth myth and the Rapture myth?

The 6,000 year old myth is not in the bible, it was thought up by Archbishop James Ussher in 1650 ad.
The rapture myth is not in the bible, it was made up by John Nelson Darby, a 19th century theologian.
Do you believe in them? if so why? Please and Thanks!

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It's ignorance- usually willful. Plain and simple.

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Agreed! Which I could somewhat accept if it came from their bible, but this is like Mormonism, their just making NEW stuff up and believing it as holy scripture :/
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I believe in a young earth because if you add up the ages and if the bible is true it has to be young. I have no idea why anyone would believe in the rapture, I don't. Btw I'm a Christian.

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But how could anyone pretend that the Bible is true? Have you read it at all?1600 years of writings of different myths.
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The bible doesn't mention how long Adam & Eve lived in the garden of Eden though.
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No, the planet is 4.6 BILLION years old, if it's only 6,000 them the continents would be drifting fast enough for you to feel it.
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But it does mention that he lived around 900 years. And the rapture is mentiond in the Bible. Infact: Matthew 24:27
For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
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Ha Ha Ha , that doesn't get into the myth that some people will be dragged out of their lives to go live in the sky.
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Matthew 24:40
Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.

Matthew 24:41
Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.

Luke 17:34
I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left.

That says a lot. That s in the Bible. If you dont believe the Bible, you re not a christian. And that wasnt for you, Dingoelgringo, it was for tic tac.
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Dingoelgringo: 1600 years to write 66 books that colaborat together to make the Bible. Each one fits perfectly with eachother and not one of them says any lie. There are things in the Bible that have become true more than 1000 years after it was finished. And there are things going on that are mentioned in the Bible. The profecies in the Bible do come true. And soon, the rapture.
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Bryan, " Each one fits perfectly with each other and not one of them says any lie." Please answer this was it 400 or 4000 horses? was it 7000 or 70000 Troops? The bible cannot even get numbers straight.
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For that matter, why are two lineages given for Jesus from David to Joseph that share only two names- Joseph and David?
Why do Matthew and Luke differ by over ten years on when Jesus was born?
And those are just two major errors in the NT. there are hundreds more.
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Explain the dinosaurs and carbon dating. Theory proven flawed right there.
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The Bible focuses on the important details. For the rest, it was different people that wrote the Bible and wrote it in different times. That s the same as the two possesed. When one gospel says it was one, the other says it was two. Those details are easy for the people that wrote the Bible to get, but the main message is still there.


Be a bit more clear as for the linages and when Jesus was born.

Dinosaurs, well, like I said.. The Bible doesnt specify. Its not important to know about dinosaurs.
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Matthew states he was born during the reign of Herod the Great, who died in 4BCE. However Lyke claims he was born during the census enacted when Quirinius was governor of Syria, which was in 6-7 CE. Quirinius didn't even become governor until after Herod died.

Matthew 1 and Luke 3 also give two completely different genealogies of Joseph- they can't even agree on who his father was.
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There's also the census problem in general. The Roman census was enacted for the purpose of taxation. They counted people where they lived and worked not where they were born. The whole Bethlehem travel tale was invented by the writers of Matthew to try and fulfill the "prophecy" written in Micah. But no Roman census EVER had people return to a city of origin, as that wouldn't tell them anything, wouldn't create the tax rolls, and would be a logistics nightmare.
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The Bible was written by people. As for the genealogy, its because when Luke mentions Joseph s father, he meant father in law. So, the Bible mentions a census in Israel and you consider it was all Rome. If the travel had been invented because of the prophecy, then the other prophecies wouldnt have occured. And people come and go from cities. So it does make sense to make a census, and it does make sense that they traveled away to avoid the census and came back after.
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Uh, no. The Greek in Luke clearly indicates father not father in law. If the writers of Luke meant father in law they would have said it. This is just back pedaling.

And no- the census required by law you be counted where you LIVED. But Matthew claims Joseph HAD to return to his town of origin FOR the census. You are justo king things up now to try and escape the contradiction. And of course avoided the date issue completely.
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Btw- the census was ordered by Rome, professor. It was for all their territories. History. Learn it.
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Well, Luke didnt specify that Joseph was engendrado (cant think of the word in english now, its 11:50pm, I m still online only for a friend that I think I give toio much attention to) of the one mentioned in Luke s gospel. Matthew doesnt say that Joseph had to return for the census. En cuanto a Herodes y Cirenio, acabo de leer en una enciclopedia que hubo un censo en el tiempo de Herodes que no fué terminado hasta que Cirilio/ Sorrry, Okay, about the kings, I just read in an encyclopedia that there was a parcial census in the times of Herodes that was then finished by Quirinius.
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Spanish translations aren't the original Greek.

No, Matthew claimed they had to go to Bethlehrm for the census.

And no, there was no partial census in Herod's time, plus Luke specifically says it was under the reign of Quirinius.

You simply can't explain these facts away.
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There's also no such thing as a partial census. The Romans were meticulous bureaucrats and record keepers, and the census was conducted on a very strict schedule. The one under Quirinius' leadership in Stria was the first census that included Judea.
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You make things so complex. A census that was not finished on Herodes time and then remade in Quirinus time. And I ve read the chapter a few times, I dont see where it says that Joseph had to return to Bethlehem for the census. So the census of Quirinus was the first one to include Judea. That gets me thinking that Judea couldve had a census before that one that was only of itself, not of Rome. Also that Quirinus couldve taken leadership of it some time after it had been tried, or began, or whatever. This all just reminds me of the time people thought they found fossile monkey teeth that fit with a human and the news spread around the world. But it took longer to find out that the tooth was actually a pig s tooth. And the news of that spaceship that had a inscription or recording in it, Idk, that said to not explore space, and the microphone that supposedly heard the voices of hell, another international news.
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Again- there was no census in Herod's time and Luke specified Quirinius' time not Herod's, contradicting Matthew.

And no- Judea did not have it's own census. That was a Roman convention used for taxation and Judea was one of its territories. Not only is there ZERO evidence for an earlier independent census of Judea, but the Romans in charge would not have allowed one. You can't just invent things to try and get out of contradictory scripture.
Luke 2 claims "all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, out of Judwa into the city of David which is called Bethlehem". Meaning Luke claimed he returned from Nazareth to Bethlehem for the census, which wasn't how it was done.
Let's not forget Matthew and Luke also contradict on where Joseph and Mary lived before Jesus was born. Luke says Nazareth, but Matthew says they lived in Bethlehem then only moved to Nazareth after they returned from fleeing to Egypt. And the part where Nazareth wasn't even a city then.

You're basically just making things up to try and hold into your belief that the Gospels don't contradict now. History shows otherwise.
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Okay... well, I slept 4 hours, plus one and a half before I came online, lets see: August Cesar had ordered a census, which was partially acomplished by Palestina in time of official enactment/promulgation. Its acomplishment was declined until enough people moved. That census was the one that Quirinius finalized (Bruce F.F.). Actually, Matthew says they were in Bethlehem when Jesus was born. Doesnt talk about where they lived before Jesus was born. So Nazareth wasnt even a city? So it wasnt counted as a city by the romans? There s a chance that just like they didnt count Nazareth as a city, something couldve not been counted about the census. History sometimes doesnt take few things in count. Just like science. Many times, they dont take many things in count. I m just talking about what is here because I dont have all the detalis and etc.
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So you are, in other words, just inventing things again to try and explain it away. Sorry, but you must have evidence if you make claims.
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Bruce F.F. and well, I m not inventing, I m seeing possibilities. Gby
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Because people love to think that there will be an end to the world and that if they're doing everything right they will have an end to their pathetic lives full of suffering. Also any fun excuse to get on your high horse and judge other people is just swell.

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Bitter, huh?
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A little bit.
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And rightly so.
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I sympathize with your bad experiences. As a christian, I too, have had bad experiences with other christians. But people are just people. Isn't your initial response an unfair and judgemental generalization? Isn't what you accuse christians of the very thing that you are doing?
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I DID say that getting on your high horse and judging people is swell. That was only half sarcasm, the other half was truth. I judge and generalize and it's fun.
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I just don't need religion to excuse my poor behavior. =)
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Gotcha. :) I can see how you would feel that way. It's a shame though.
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Love the answer. Very true.
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Because they're insane

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Why! Aren't you friendly. :P
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It amuses me how people that don't understand things dismiss what we do as insanity. Kinda like grade school kids would say.
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Ok I believe in SCIENCE not a book that could be almost completely fictional
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Bible.. Chapter 1 in Genesis is full of science. Even up till now the scientist are still in awe of what God has made in the beginning.
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Myths are fun. I personally prefer the myths about the Germanic Gods Odin and his clan, a lot more fun than the 6ooo year old earth stuff.

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Well, the Earth 6000 year old is because people do the math in the Bible wrong. The Bible msinly talks about The story of humanity and The Bible doesnt mention many numbers they only asume. There s where the mistake of how long humanity has been on Earth come. And they think humanity has been on Earth since it was created, there are all the mistakes. The Bible doesnt say that. As for the rapture, well, the Bible has mentioned many things that have come true. And today s days we can see many of the signs that the Bible mentions, so its logical. I believe he is coming soon. But the day and hour, no one knows except God. Gby

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Well thought out answer! But I still don't see the rapture, the only word of it is "taken up" that doesn't deserve a whole myth.
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The rapture... Well, the Bible does say in Matthew 24:27
For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.

and then Matthew 24:40
Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.

Matthew 24:41
Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.

Luke 17:34
I tell you, in that night there will be two in one bed. One will be taken and the other left.

Gby
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I've never met anybody who actually believes that the planet is literally 6,000 years old (only on Ask!) According to Ussher the planet was formed on Oct. 23rd 4,004 BC! Does anybody really believe this? I did a year of Catholic school and even they said this isn't the LITERAL age of the planet. They also said God didn't create the planet in six actual 24 hour days. I believe in God and that He created the planet, but He did it in a swirling accretion disk of gas and dust.

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Exactly! But so many here believe it, doesn't make sense :/
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Maybe it seems like a lot, I've spoken to a few of these guys and none of them had ever heard of Ussher. But I think it's relatively few.
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I was in a debate with one of them and when I posted a link that pointed out Ussher and Darby he thought I was making it up, and he was a grown man, not a kid, I can forgive kids but c'mon, grown adults believe this stuff :/
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Yeah it's usually kids I have that conversation with. It seems like they think they're gonna burn in heII for not believing Ussher. I tell 'em "Jesus never said that, Ussher did."
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Amen tony. God bless.
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Bible don't mention anything about rapture. I'm talking about flying in the airplane and pilot disappear. Driving the car and all of the sudden no driver. That's not in the Bible.
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yes.......i believed......he crucified for us....i got feel in my deep prays.....for that no need written scripts.......

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I believe in God too but it doesn't mean you have to believe this idea of the planet being 6,000 years old. God created the earth but He did it in what is to us millions of years.
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Most people who believe that probably think it IS in the Bible, so it's basically a misconception. Some of them are just so used to ignoring scientific facts that they can't stand the idea of the two going together. Exactly what Racheal said ^ about 'getting up on their high horse'. God forbid they actually agree with an atheist on something lol :P

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It does say in the Bible that the rapture will happen Revelations has alout about that.

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I believe that MAN existed for 6000 years. I do not believe the rapture. Why do YOU care what WE believe?

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Because people are teaching lies to their children, this is bad enough but some Christian organizations are still attempting to have this taught in local schools.
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There have been human bones found in the USA that are 10,000 years old. In Africa bones are found to be 100,000 years old. God won't banish you to heII for knowing the truth about humans. He loves you unconditionally.
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No, I teach my kids something YOU don't understand is all. Doesn't make it a lie. It makes it something you don't grasp. Don't be insulting! It's unbecoming to you and I.
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How do they measure the age Tony. Have YOU witnessed this? You all laugh at us because we believe things. You all believe anything a scientist puts out. Who's right? PROVE IT!
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So if I point out that teaching your teenager that Santa or unicorns are real is wrong and not based in fact, that's unbecoming?
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Modern Homo sapiens have existed for 200,000 years. We have artifacts older than 6000 from structured civilizations. Heck, the Sumerians invented GLUE 7000 years ago.

There's nothing to "understand" about an incorrect belief that humankind is 6000 years old. It's factually, provably incorrect. This isn't doctrinal quibbling or opinion.
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Susie they use carbon dating you know, science. If you dot know don't even try to sound smart
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If you don't want your baseless claims challenged don't make them on a public forum.

Since you can't seem to respond without childish insults I'm through with you. I don't have time for people who act like children and can't handle open discussion.
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Since when did Ask.com become a Christian site? If you want to maintain your self-constructed fantasy perhaps you should stay on a Christian only site. Sites like this are meant for educated, stable adults to ask questions and exchange ideas.
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Yes, it's the religious site. Perhaps if religion bothers you you should find another category. It's really gotten silly. The same fight all the time. Get over it.
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It's bothersome to know that children are being raised with the wrong info. being taught to them, just so that they can raise their children the same way. The goal is to have each generation be more educated than the last
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Oops I guess your last comment was removed, Suzie
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What on Earth are you talking about? Do you mean the category "religion/spirituality/PHILOSOPHY"? these are human concepts not owned by any one person or group, do I also have to ignore music questions because I can't sing or play an instrament? You seem to be the one that needs to get over it.
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Because I teach my children about God? Wow, how sad for you. My kids are happy well adjusted productive members of society. Not drugged out, baby popping system burdens the non believers kids I know are. See here's my point. I don't care what you believe. I know that's shocking, but I don't! Again, sorry my belief bothers you so much.
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I guess that's why Christians have a far lower average standard of living, lower education level, and far higher likelihood of being on welfare than atheists. Oh wait.
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Hahaha, one of my kids.... Never mind. I'm done with this bashing session. You all have fun now!
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You're putting words into my mouth. Read Caluvox's question description-- believing in the 6000 year old or rapture myth has nothing to do with your faith in God.
You know what's sad for you? You have no idea what you're talking about. You think there aren't drugged out baby popping Christians? Half the kids at my school have done drugs or drink and then wear a cross around their neck. The nicest and friendliest girl I know is a Christian, but then again one of the meanest and most annoying is the daughter of a pastor. So I think from that we can decide that it's only reasonable to judge people if we actually know them, not by making assumptions.
Skeptikitten is right, you do argue like a child. I never said your Christian beliefs bother me. In fact, those MYTHS you believe in aren't Christian at all and they won't help you get into heaven, since that's what people like you are only worried about. Maybe you should stop and actually read what people are telling you because this entire time all you've done is jump to leave comments that have nothing to do with what anyone is saying.
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Well said MsStina!
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Thank you :)
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Mdstina I've got to respond. Put words on your mouth? Who on earth are you and when did you join this conversation haha!! Oh and as far as mature answers, I guess you've missed many of Skepts comments to me in the past. I got the WAH from her haha!
Cul, my point, you really don't know what I believe in. You don't ask. You assume in a rude question. That's where I get irritated. I do believe most scientific theories to some extent. But that God caused it. I also know the earth is extremely old. Your question was offensive.
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No, you got told you are ignorant and incorrect- you are.
You got told you resort to childish insults when you have no argument- you do.
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Then you are overly sensitive. I stated SOME, not all. And my question did ask what you believe and why, and you answered "man existed for 6,000 years on Earth." It is not rude to state facts, and you have not denied those facts I stated, it only appears rude to you because you do not like being reminded that your believes don't come from the bible.
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"Who on earth are you and when did you join this conversation haha!!" See what we mean by childish?
Besides, what you just stated weren't arguments. All you did was "haha" at nothing and ignore the rest.
How is the question rude? Because it challenges your beliefs? I'm sure you wouldn't find it so rude if it had asked "Why do some atheists believe so strongly in the big bang, or evolution?".
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Have a better night!!
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Thank you MsStina and the other replies. Nothing like putting an acid spewing NeoCon in their place
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Suzie, how is what I said "insulting"? I said God loves you unconditionally, that's not an insult.
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Tony I was not talking about you at all. Skept and Z are insulting and rude to everyone who disagrees. You are not. It's childish really. And I need to just ignore them because I end up lowering myself to their level and get disgusted with myself. None of this was meant towards you. People can disagree without name calling and rudeness. They can't.
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Correcting incorrect statements is not insulting you. You are the one who resorts to childish insults, claiming people are maladjusted, and generally just spewing hate at anyone who doesn't believe as you do.

Honestly I don't know how you manage to reconcile the hypocrisy of your comments with the claims of your so-called "loving" religion.
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How is anyone obsessed with what you believe? Where did you even get that idea? Continuing on with a conversation is not "obsess[ing] over". You just don't want anyone to respond to your comments because you always get corrected, and when people give you the correct info., you accuse them of being hateful or obsessed with you. Get over yourself.

Caluvox started this off giving you a good reason why it matters if you believe in the myths or not (I gave you a reason as well, but I'm guessing you ignored both).

YOU gave the first insults, saying "I teach my kids something YOU don't understand is all. Doesn't make it a lie. It makes it something you don't grasp" How is that not insulting or childish? And then you go on to accuse Caluvox of being insulting, which makes NO sense at all because he said nothing to you that was close to insulting. Who taught you that disagreeing = insulting?

Read through the comments- the only insulting thing Skeptikitten ever said to you was accusing you of being childish, which is completely true.

"Who on earth are you and when did you join this conversation haha!!" <<how was that NOT childish and insulting?

"My kids are happy well adjusted productive members of society. Not drugged out, baby popping system burdens the non believers kids I know are" Right here you're stating that Christians are little angels while atheists are evil little devil children, which is sooo far off. That's why I said you had no idea what you were talking about.

"haha, WOW! Pathetic!" << another example of you being childish and insulting. I can always go back and copy-paste some more instances if you want.

As you can hopefully see by this point, you are clearly the insulting one. And for you to get up on your high horse and act like you're the innocent one being bullied is extremely hypocritical. All you're doing is playing victim, and woe-is-me-ing doesn't getcha anywhere.
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Christianity is fragmenting at an increasingly rapid pace and losing cohesion as a social force. I like to think of it as entropy in action. xD

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Because it's true.

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No it's not but what should be more important to you is that it's not even in your bible. Mormonism, and their way, is not mentioned in the bible, but using your logic that shouldn't matter, right? You can make up anything you want about what YOU think the bible says but should others follow you or be cursed to hell for not following you? Can someone start a branch of Christianity that promotes s3x with kids because it's MENTIONED in the bible? I hope you can see the slippery-slope you're on.
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Hate to disappoint you but I'm not a Mormon. lol Shows how much you know about me. And Christianity does not promote sex with kids either. Your talking Catholics in which aren't Christians either. So whether you wish to believe I have the truth or not makes no differeence to me. That's on your head not mine. And in due time YOU will find out that what I said is indeed true. :-)
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That flew right over your head jimmyboy. He didn't say you were Mormon.
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Correct Seedy.
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Hi James! Aren't we blessed to have these things settled in our minds once and for all?!?! I praise God that I have believing friends like you here, and I pray also that by His Holy Spirit, those who question these truthful things will actually pick up God's Word and seek out the meaning for themselves! I once had a landlord who told me that his daddy was a liquor salesman, and that he sold more liquor in the Bible Belt than anywhere else. And so, he passed his belief that Christians were hypocrites on to his son. His son believed it too, and then he turned around and married a JW ! What the heck??? Bye for now friend! Beth
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lol That's great Beth. God Bless!
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Well, JW's are the only "true" christians, just ask them. all other christian religions are wrong and a false religion.
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Catholics are Christians, genius.
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LOL MsStina, people like Jimmyboy do not think any one is christian unless you believe with him. And yes Catholics are christian, they part of the original christian belief.
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mhmm, it's funny how so many protestants don't even know that they're protestants lol. And think that Christian can't mean Catholic too. Judging by his comment, he didn't get a word of what Caluvox was saying "And Christianity does not promote sex with kids either. Your talking Catholics in which aren't Christians either" THAT WASN'T EVEN THE POINT lol the point was to say people are just *editing* Christianity and there are too many Christians just going along with it, mistaking it for being a part of the original religion!
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lol I love when people that try and tell others that this is that and that is this when they have no clue of what their talking about. For if they did they would know what the Word Of God says a True Christian is.
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I don't know how many time I hear Protestants quote the scripture in Rev to "not add or remove" and apply it to the entire bible, yet their bible is missing I think 6 books that were part of the canon, which Martin Luther removed. So where's the limit?
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@James That comment made NO sense. Explain how I'M the one who doesn't know what she is talking about? Make any corrections.
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MsStina you understood perfectly, something James seems incapable of doing.
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Considering the mindset needed to accept such beliefs I'm not terribly surprised with the lack of reasoning skills however.
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yay & yup my expectations weren't that high to begin with lol.
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Oh, btw James I knew you were an evangelical for quite some time. Your branch of the Jesus fan club is the only one that states Christianity is a relationship not a religion.
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Keep talking your just talking to the wind. lol
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@everybody: James is saying, "Hey I know you're right, so I'm going to ignore you because I can't find anything that would prove you wrong."
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lol
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Caluvox, the Rapture verses are only found in the letters that the Apostle Paul wrote to the Gentile believers who are known as The Body of Christ. He received these revelations from the Risen Lord Jesus Christ about things that God had kept secret before then, to be given to those who came to faith in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection. You called it a myth, will you let your intellect stand in the way of this knowledge, or will you seek truth and read the thing for yourself? You can start by reading it chapter after chapter like a book, starting withSaul's conversion on the road to Damascus (Acts chapter 9:1) and go all the way thru Philemon. that is all that Darby did, he read the thing for himself! Please, just read it for yourself,Then, come back here and tell me you still think it's a myth! My very best wishes to you, Beth

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Hi! Beth. How's things going? I pray all is well with you. God Bless!
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Beth, most atheists have already thoroughly read and studied the bible- it's a large part of the reason we aren't Christians.

I've read the bible hundreds of times. It's almost entirely mythology.
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lol Hunreds of times yeah sounds like to read it like a story book is why you don't have a clue of what it says. The Word Of God is flesh and new everyday. Which mean unless you have the Holy Spirit working in your life it's nonsense to you. We can go over and over and over till Jesus come back so just save your typing and your breath cause nothings gonna change. It's the same oh same oh with you. You beginning to sound like a broken record. You and your Scotman fallies. lol Go get your buddies and come back and rattle away.
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@Skeptikitten: Actually it is mere mythology. I mean, it attempts to explain everything just like every other myth does. There's the tree of good and evil. There's the snake. There's the beginning. You know something is a myth when an animal represents the evil side or something like that. That's what they used years ago to represent these sorts of things: animals. And James does have a good point about one thing: it is new every day. I mean, Christians are always changing what the Bible says because they know it's so wrong. So it's obvious it's going to be new every day. I know you know all this of course.
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Hi Beth,
I have started to study the scriptures, but I started at Romans, I will go back & start my journey in Acts 9. I was on the train so I didn't take notes yet, that's why I want to go back over it. So far I have had revelations. The one that is in my spirit the most is: I should have already died to my flesh & all its sinful desires (for I have been baptized) & I need to live for God through righteousness. Not a written Law, for the written code brings more sin, (romans 5:20),but by the Spirit. I've got work again tomorrow, but I am committed to change & truth. I Thankyou from the deepest parts of my being for helping me. I love & care for you dearly. :-D
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Hi Beth, you are a little trooper. Thank you for all your help. I'll be studying all your words, rather than just skimming over them. But for now my husband Phil & I are going on a picnic date to Somersby Falls. I be back later.
Thanks again Beth.
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Good morning from down under Beth, I'm starting my Paul journey properly today. I'm excited. yah.
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Hi Beth, these notes I took down last night.
Saul was an unrighteous man, killing Christians.
Christ called Saul, Saul seen, believed & obeyed. (this alone is a teaching for me).
I had a revelation last night about the trinity. I always did believe Jesus was a part of God, but now God has revealed to me that Jesus is God. He is All that God could give to mankind, without annihilation. He was giving All of what we as imperfect humans could handle. Not too much, just enough; our measure.
If God came in splendor we'd never survive. He came in love, compassion, mercy, grace, kindness, & forgiveness. In humility, he humbled himself to our level. He was relating to us, with good fruit. What do you think? Am I making scriptural sense?
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Amen! Shay God Bless You.
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Thankyou James. may God bless you too.
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They add up the years of the geaneologies of men in the Bible & get close to 6,000.
The words ... Caught up = rapture.
Also catch away or snatched.
1st Thesalonians 4:7 is jyst one of them.....
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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I don't believe the Earth is 6000 yrs old, that would be ignorant considering archeological finds + scientific facts prove it. That's like saying the dinosaurs never existed or the ice age never happened. It's folly.
As for the "rapture" or being caught up in the air to meet Christ, its in scripture but not something I've studied. I think I will though, so I can have a better understanding of it.
Peace.

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Yes the Rapture story doesn't really concern me, I just put it up there for consideration. It's the creation vs evolution part that ruffles my feathers.
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Shay, I would like to take a crack at explaining about the Rapture to you. I'll have to gather my thoughts and make a few notes first, but I think that I can cut thru a lot of religiosity, and hopefully, help it make sense to you. May I come back here tomorrow with more info? Bye for now friend! Beth
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Please do. I'm excited about that. C u 2morrow my sister in Christ.
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Shay, one of the best things about you is your openness to new ideas. I think it's because you didn't grow up in a traditional Church upbringing, and weren't "brainwashed" into a fixed mindset. And you've mentioned several times that you like to study different Bible translations and interpretations. I think you use all the available information to decide for yourself what feels true to you, and that is such a fine quality in my opinion. Our Father sees us seeking to understand His Word, and He comes in and meets us there, rewarding us with revelations and insights as to how we can apply His Truth to our lives. Take me for example, the way I was taught (law mixed with grace), only left me insecure and constantly wondering if I was "right with God". I could never confidently declare that I had peace with God, and I think that is one major reason that God put us here on earth, to find that we need Him, then to find peace with Him. So, all that left me hungry to find a way to make sense of the things His Word says. Over the years Shay, I have tried out so many Theological philosophies, and won't bore you with the unsuccessful dead end roads that I travelled down, no, I want to tell you what DID bring me to the place where I found my peace with God, okay? And in doing so, i found peace with the Pre-Tribulation Rapture opinion. I'm blessed because I stumbled upon a really good teacher on TV. Since about 5 years ago, I had a habit of getting up early, and tuning in to every preacher and teacher on my channels and taking copious notes all morning long. And it was good because I was subconsciously doing side by side comparisons. It helped me recognize bad teaching, and eventually I'd weed those out, until finally, one remained. This teacher taught me to read whole Bible books, chapter after chapter, verse after verse. And in doing so, I learned to get meaning from paragraphs of thought,instead of just verses....
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Shay, I have come to find my peace with God, by learning to separate law from grace, and realizing that I can learn from the Bible's books where the law ruled the day, but I do not look to those books for my doctrine, or another way to say it would be, I'm not under God's rule of law, because a) I do not have a drop of Jewish blood in my veins,and i am a Gentile, b) I was born and live in the Age of God's grace, and c) the law has proved impossible to keep anyway. The law shows us that our God is holy, and it shows us a sort of template of what God considers holy and acceptable behavior, AND it shows us just how far off the mark our behavior really is, right? So I had to learn to separate all that out, and basically stop reading it like it applied to me and my doctrine. That means that all the Old Testament is for my learning (but not my doctrine),and (here it comes...) since Jesus and the 12 disciples were all Jewish, and they only preached to Jews, because during His earthly ministry,Jesus and the 12 never left Israel, and ONLY Jewish people lived in Israel (with the exception of Roman soldiers and governors, and foreign merchants and tradesmen and their families passing thru), the four Gospels, parts of Acts, The books of John, James, and Peter are for my learning, but not for my doctrine.
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Jesus CAME for Israel, to bring Israel to a soul saving faith that He was the prophesied Messiah, and that IF they came to faith in that Truth, He would defeat the enemies of Israel, and bring in the Kingdom of God on earth. During His earthly ministry, Jesus preached The Gospel of The Kingdom. He could not possibly preach God's gift of Grace thru faith in His death, burial, and resurrection because obviously, He had not yet been rejected and hung on the Cross to be humiliated unto death, burial and resurrection. And as a matter of fact, Jesus commanded the 12 to STAY AWAY from Gentiles. Check out what He tells them in Matthew 10:5 in His speech giving them The Great Commission: "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying 'Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans( halfJew/halfGentile) enter ye not.' And verse 6. 'But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.' ". Shay, you don't know, but in church, verses 5&6 are NEVER TAUGHT! Why? Because they teach law and grace mixed together! Break time! Sorry I have to type so much to read, but this is how these things must be seperated away from each other...
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Shay, that is only one example, and I can show you more, but right now I need to explain that this way of looking at God's Word is called Dispensational Theology. It is the belief that there are distinct periods in history, in which God relates to His human Creation in different ways under different Biblical covenants. Shay, do you know how pharmacies used to be called dispensaries? And if we go to the pharmacy and give him our prescription, the Pharmacist dispenses what our doctor has ordered, but along with dispensing the remedy he also gives us explicit instructions. We can't just take the medicine haphazardly, but rather we must follow the specific instructions that come with the dispensing. Now, bringing it into the Scriptures, a dispensation was a period of time during which God laid particular Dispensational instructions to particular groups of people. When God called Moses and the Nation of Israel out of Egypt, He called Moses up to the mountain, and He gave Moses the Law. And the Law was a dispensation . To be a remedy dispensed to the Nation of Israel. It was God's demand upon the Nation as to how they should worship, how to approach God with the sacrifices, and priesthood,how they were to live, how to deal with their neighbors, how to settle disputes, all that was dispensed to the Nation of Israel. So here, God is the doctor who gave the prescription, and Moses was the pharmacist who dispensed the remedy, and Israel was the patient. But the Cross ended God's dispensation of the Law...
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Shay, now we have to talk about the portion of Scripture that has been totally confused by all denominations, and that is the early chapters of the Book of Acts. We don't read that the 12 all of a sudden start telling Jesus' Jewish followers, " Jesus has DIED for your sins, you're no longer under the Law, you no longer have to go to the temple, or keep the commandments...", no, Peter says in Acts 2:22" Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders, and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves know: v.23 Him, being delivered by the determinate councel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain...". Peter is saying that Israel has had their Messiah for 3 years, he performed signs, wonders, and miracles, they crucified Him, God raised Him from the dead, and sent the Holy Spirit, and...Peter is accusing the Nation of Israel of killing their Messiah.
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And in Acts 3, after Peter and John healed the lame man by the Beautiful gate at the Temple, and all the people were filled with wonder and amazement...v.12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, 'Ye men of Israel, why marvel at this?...v.13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers,hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go, v.14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you; v.15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses..." see, it's "you killed him!" And back to Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, "Repent, and be baptized.".. And here in Acts 3:19 "Repent ye therefore."..Repent from what? Repent from killing Jesus, the Messiah! So Shay, where do we Gentiles get the idea that Jesus sacrificed Himself, and DIED for our sins?
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Oh Shay, I'm leaving out so much of the tiny details, but if I didn't this thing would be a book! So now is the time to discuss God's temporarily putting His Dispensation of the Law aside, and bringing in a new Dispensation of Grace. And to use the example from before, God is the doctor, and Paul is the pharmacist this time, and both Jew and Gentiles are the patients. Now, if you were to go and count the times Grace is mentioned in between Matthew1:1 and Acts chapter 9, when Saul was converted on the road to Damascus, you would count 16 times, and then it wasn't even used as a doctrinal term, but From Acts 9 until the end of Paul's letter to Philemon, you would count him using the word Grace, 84 times! This tells us that we, Grace Age believers are to use Paul's letters for both our learning AND for our doctrine! Break time again! So sorry for the time it takes to read all of this Shay...
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And look Shay, I know about your Star of David tattoo, and I'm very pleased to know that you have identified with Jesus' Jewishness , and have placed it close to your heart, and you have developed a love for the Hebrew language that you express in the praise songs that you get so much joy from. And another thing, you didn't wrestle with these same issues That I did! You have found peace and confidence without having to undo it all! This is only me talking about me! I am not suggesting that you study or worship differently at all, okay Shay? I'm simply rehearsing what I had to learn to get to a confidence in the Pre-Trib. Rapture, because those verses are ONLY found in Paul's letters to the Body of Christ. In Matthew 24, Jesus tells His Jewish Disciples to expect Tribulation, before Armageddon and The Kingdom. But Paul tells Grace Age Believers that the Tribulation is "Jacob's Trouble". So the differences in the two Dispensations must be explored to understand and separate the two messages. That is the reason that a) Jews don't even study Jesus' words, or study end-times prophecy , and b) there is such division among Christians in regards to Pre-Trib, Mid-Trib, or Post-Trib Rapture, and it confuses us and further divides us, because Law and Grace are taught mixed up together! Jews should be reading Matt., Mark, Luke, John, the early chapters of Acts, and Revelation. But in reality, Christians are ONLY reading Matt., Mark, Luke, and John, early chapters of Acts, and being taught to ignore Paul!!!! I really would like to get thru Paul's dispensation of Grace, and then explain why we can be confident in the Pre-Trib Rapture. But it's going to take a few more comments to get there, okay? Here's the only things that I would tell you to do with all this info: I would suggest that you read the Bible from Acts chapter 9 chapter by chapter thru the end of Philemon, that's 13 1/2 books, to learn the story of the Dispensation of Grace. AND when you hear a sermon, or read an answer here, or if you get some Biblical advice, just see if the speaker quotes Paul, just try a little experiment and see...that way you can understand if they are discussing something good for learning, or something good for doctrine...just see...or if something in the Bible troubles you...what dispensation is it from? Of course you can absolutely put the brakes on this whole thing, thank me politely, and go read it for yourself or not, I'm adverse to rejection and would sooner crawl inside a hole, then impose my beliefs on someone!
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Sorry Shay, I had to sign off to greet John at the door like a good little wifey should! Super Bowl time, you're off the hook! Love, love, love! Beth
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I'm going to comment as I read ok. & thanks Beth, I'm excited to read this.
First of all, you can read people very well, all you said is true. & I think its great you can see it, thankyou.
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I absolutely agree we are not under the Law anymore (like you said we can use it as a guide to holiness), but the law is a burden & accursed. I was just reading the other night, I think it was Gal 7, the whole chapter, just like you said, you get a clearer picture. It's saying Christ changed everything pretty much. Levites were the Priests of God & by Jesus being sent through a new bloodline, so then, should not everything be anewed. You should give it a read.
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Oh, so are you saying the 12 were meant to teach Israel only because they would be teaching Law to them ?
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I "get" that dispensational theology. I feel that God moves in different ways with different covenants & generations.
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I love the pharmacy analogy. Good one Beth.
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I loved that. I will absolutely read & study & listen to all those books. I love Paul's teachings. & the like. Wow that my dear must have taken a lot of effort, I love you for it, thankyou & I promise that your effort will not be in vain.
I've got work tomorrow, so at each chance I get I'll pop back in & discuss with you what I've learnt & how I am going to apply it in my life. Im truly sorry its taken me a whole day to get back to you, I've been pre-occupied. peace sister.
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Hi Shay! Thanks for reading it! It's so good for me to be able to explain something that is so important to my overall life. Coming around to this way of looking at , and understanding the Bible, MY Bible, brought me to the place of peace with MY God, Gosh Shay, I sincerely hope that you will read Paul like a book, in it's entirety, as one single subject. When you do, you will notice how one thought becomes a foundation, then another thought is understood because the foundational thought was understood, and The Word Of God just comes alive and builds understanding thought upon thought...and you're really young to be asked to explore these really deep Christian concepts, but learning this way, could help somebody who wrestles with the mixture of Law and Grace. Shay, I say that because there are many confused Christians who become scared of what God will do if they don't tithe, or be Baptized, or adhere to a Seventh Day Sabbath or a thousand other things. But do you think God is pleased when someone is "afraid" not to tithe? And there are thousands of people who let Jewish Scripture's Law affect their lives in negative ways. Shay and what your personal testimony can add is that there's joy to be found in Jewish Scripture and Christian Love for Jewish things! Some things are to be celebrated, but some things are to be learned, but not practiced (Unless it brings joy...) and I want to say that I realize how much I spilled out yesterday was a LOT to take in, so I fully and completely know you have a very busy life, and I'm honored to have your attention, shay so please , read it in a few days later , I'm grateful that you're listening out there, truly :). Bye friend, be back in a bit, with Paul's dispensation if that would be okay? Bye friend!
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Oh and Shay, I will read Ephesians as one thought, right after I get thru the grace dispensation, and Pre-Trib. Confidence. It's very important to me Shay, because if I can explain this and it rings true with you, or if my explanation becomes a foundation of thought that leads to your understanding of YOUR TRUTH about the Rapture then it would have all been worth it. In many ways I wish you had time to grow slowly in your understanding of these things but, I fear that there's not that much time left. And this understanding may be just the right knowledge to answer some lost person's question, Shay? I personally believe that the mixture of Law and Grace that is taught on Church, it keeps potential Believers away. Not only away from Church, but potentially away from Soul-Saving Salvation. Shay, I told you when I first "met" you, that you were exceptionally mature in your Spiritual Confidence, and, relating to these Spiritually confused people may be a stretch for you, but I promise you, there's millions of them! They need our help...
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Shay, Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong to the LORD our God; but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. That says that God keeps secrets unto He reveals it to believers, and once they see it (because they'er looking for it, I think), and they come to understand it with their heart and mind, then it's theirs to posses, and to grow in, and to benefit from for ever. I think that's why it's so fun and satisfying to study end time prophecy. Shay, aren't you finding that God rewards us when we dig into His Word.? Okay, now did you know that Paul writes about mysteries? A mystery is just like a secret. And Deuteronomy just told us that God keeps secrets, so what is the mystery? I went to my Strong's Concordance and counted the number of verses in Paul's books that mention mystery or mysteries, and found that there were 20 references. And conversely, in all other Scripture combined, I counted 7. Lets look at a few of Paul's verses to see if clues emerge...
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Shay, 2 comments ago I was trying to say that I would read Galatians! As you so kindly recommended :). I looked to see if Paul mentions any mysteries there, but alas...no.
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1 Corinthians 2:7 "But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory." (This mystery was in God's plan before the world! And it's for our glory!) Skip to v.10 (Amplified Version) "Yet to us God has unveiled and revealed them by and thru his Spirit, for the (Holy) Spirit searches diligently, exploring and examining everything, even sounding the profound and bottomless things of God--the divine councels and things hidden and beyond man's scrutiny." (Paul is saying the mystery is really deep). 1 Cor. 4:1 (Amplified Version) "So then let us (Appollos and Paul) be looked upon as ministering servants of Christ and Stewards (trustees) of the mysteries--that is, the secret purposes of God." (Paul is saying that he is a servant of Christ and has been trusted with a mystery of God's.)
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Ephesians 1:9 "Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:" v.10 "That in the dispensation of the fullness of time he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him." (Paul says that the mystery is that God would use Christ's shed blood to bring both Jew and Gentile back to Himself) Shay, see how Paul mentions heaven and earth? Jews acknowledge that God's throneroom is in Heaven, but they are taught to believe their eternities will be spent here on earth in The Kingdom. Those verses that promise eternity in Heaven, come from Paul's letters to the Body of Christ. Can you see why it's important to see the differences? Eph. 3:2 "If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me (to give to you)."V.3(AMP)"And how the mystery (secret) was made known unto me and I was allowed to comprehend it by direct revelation..." V.4 "When you read this you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ." V.5"(This mystery) was never disclosed to human beings in past generations as it has now been revealed by the Holy Spirit..." V.6 "(It is this) that the Gentiles are now to be fellow heirs (with the Jews), members of the same body, and joint partakers (sharing) in the same divine promise in Christ thru (their acceptance of) the Gospel of Grace." (Paul is saying that the mystery that God would bring eternal salvation to the Gentiles was a whole new idea to Jews and Gentiles, AND it puts them both under the new dispensation of Grace, that was the new and only way to access eternity with God.)
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Thankyou Beth. I sincerely want the truth of God. I want to be holy & righteous in his sight. I love the deep secrets of Him, how.can I truly know my Father if I don't know all I can about him. Thanyou again & I look forward to more. lov ya :-D
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Shay, I found your comment on my answer here, and I must tell you how touched I am after reading your kind words. My first reaction is to tell you that I did not think you needed fixing, and to say that God's Word is Alive, and His Holy Spirit speaks to us in so many different ways. I have another mystery verse to show you that is very suitable for this point in the study :). Paul is writing about how he regrets not getting around and visiting his little churches, and we could read it like he's talking about us too. Colossians 2:2" That their heart might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all the riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;" "v.3 "In whom are hid all of the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." Shay, Paul is saying that understanding and acknowledging the mystery is "like the riches of full understanding", and that "wisdom and knowledge are like treasure"! Cool ! Okay Shay, we've only gone thru the first few mystery verses, and we can either spend more time on them, because Paul's credibility with you Shay, is most important. And I think you think if it wasn't credible then it wouldn't be in the Bible. 1 Corinthians 15:51" Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed." V.52"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." I'll be back in a bit, I want to check my teacher's notes for info on this next part :). See you soon friend! Bye!
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Okay Shay, Here is another mystery verse where Paul has just described a parable of Israel as an olive tree. Romans 11:25" For I would not, brethren,that ye should be ignorant of this mystery,...that blindness in part is happened to Israel, UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." (Paul is saying that God has put a blindness on Israel, until a certain Pre-determined number of people come into the Body of Christ). Here's my teacher's analogy, 'At the beginning of pregnancy, the mother's body immediately begins to put all kinds of different cells into exactly the right place. And by the time that 9-month period is over, that little fetus has got all his little fingers, fingernails, the eyes and everything is now complete. And isn't it amazing that the body rarely makes a mistake by making one finger much longer than it should be? But everything stops it's cell making process at exactly the right time. And when it's all completed, and that little baby is completed, then what? Delivery! Now the Church is the same way. God has been adding individual believers for over 2,000 years, from places all around the world...one at a time...and one day the Body of Christ will finally have the last believer in place...we don't know where it will be, or when, but there will be a time when God sees that it's full...and, now what's He going to do? He's going to deliver us from the confines of this earth and we're going to be Raptured out. Lets go ahead and address that word Rapture, because we all know that it's not in the Bible. But the concept of the Rapture is. Be back soon...
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Shay, Lets explore that blindness before moving further...Romans 11:7 (Living New Testament)" So this is the situation: most of the Jews have not found the favor of God they are looking for (by obedience to the Law). A few have--the ones God has picked out--but the eyes of the others have been blinded." V.5" This is what our Scriptures refer to when they say that God has put them to sleep, shutting their eyes and ears so that they do not understand what we are talking about when we tell them of Christ. And so it is to this day." Shay, I just thought of something to tell you, and that is that I think the "perfect" worshipper of God would be a Saved by Grace well-studied Jew. Because they would understand God's festivals and jubilee's and be well-behaved, having studied the Holy things of God...AND being filled with the Holy Spirit, and Knowledge of God's Love and such Heavenly things! And I think there's some of this feeling of perfect worship for you, that strikes such a chord with you, and I think it's really beautiful, you'll probably be a worship leader in Heaven, and you'll go to The Kingdom and teach Israel how God likes to be praised!
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Dear, dear Shay, I've never ventured to explain Paul before, and looking back at all these notes, I see why because there's a lot to it! I'm not even sure if I'm doing a good job, but I think I did good with pointing out some of the mysteries, because sooner or later, you will understand that Paul's teaching stands alone, separated by the Grace of God from adherence to the Law. And if you can see that, and trust in that, then you can trust Paul when he tells us that The Church which is His Body must be removed before God can finish up Daniel's 70 years. His Word foretells that He will not remove the partial blindness that is on Israel "UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.". Frankly Shay, I've been torn away from my studies lately, and I don't have the energy to finish today, I'm pooped! But I will be getting back to it in the next day or two, just to complete what i started, (I'm compulsive in that way! :)I'll be back fresh as a daisy, after you had a chance to rest from me too :) I'm so glad that you listened, and I'm so glad that it's almost over! Bye friend!
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Hi Shay, I'm back! I'm just going to give you some factual stuff here, I guess you can tell how much I dig Paul's gospel of Grace :). I poured heart and soul into those long comments and I feel sorry for you Shay! Thank you for dealing with me dear friend. Okay, the English word "rapture" is derived from the Latin Verb "Rapere" meaning "to carry off," or "to catch up". 1Thes. 4:17 (Paul has just said that the dead in Christ will meet their resurrected bodies in the air first) "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet The Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with The Lord." See that "caught up"? That's where the word Rapture comes from. Here's a little history. After Paul was executed, the Rapture wasnt taught very much, and It wasn't thought about at all until the turn of the century 1899-ish in America, during a period here, called the Great Awakening, when an Irish evangelist named John Nelson Darby began teaching Dispensationalism. And he taught that since Paul alone wrote about the "catching away" ,then it must be for the Body of Christ alone. And since history never recorded such a "catching away", then it must be a future event. Later, in the 1960-1970 Jesus Movement, the Rapture theory made its way into popular secular songs "in the year 2525" by Zagar and Evans, and " Are you Ready?" By Pacific Gas & Electric (hippy music!) in late 1970's, Hal Lindsey popularized it again with book about prophetic signs, and it was he and others that popularized the European AntiChrist theories...1991 the movie "the Rapture" Mimi Rogers, and the Left Behind fictional book series Tim Lahay Jerry Jenkins...bye!
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hi Beth, just dropping in to say thank you my darling. I'm at work again but I promise I'll study your notes. lov ya.
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Hi Shay! Please don't study the notes, lets just look at it like this was my way of convincing you to read Paul. I just want you to read Paul as a singular story, separated away from all the other Scriptures just once. You will be coming along to the Rapture verses and you can let the Holy Spirit help you discern the Truth for yourself. But I would like to tell you some more things you should know. For instance there is much opposition to the rapture theories, and I would like to show you those things too, because if you decide to trust in a rapture theory, you will end up speaking openly about it, and you will receive opposition...I'm just saying :)
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Hi Shay, I want to continue by telling you about the opposition to rapture theories just among Christian faiths! Roman Catholics are taught that the rapture is a confused understanding of the 2nd Coming, Eastern Orthodox Religions like Coptic Christians, and Russian Orthodox Catholics, do not even teach end-time Scripture. Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists, and Presbyterians all reject idle speculation about end-times, saying God will bring about the end of the world in His own time, and that His purposes will be fulfilled is good enough for them. Bye!
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See what I mean by sooo many doctrines. It's crazy. & so much dissension between lovers of the Messiah. That's why I like to dwell in the Spirit. But I am a Truth seeker, I don't like lies.
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Hi Shay! I just saw your comments on my answer here, and I'm super excited about your new Truths that God is revealing thru His Word. That's why they say It's Alive. And you sound so excited Shay, I know our Father must be really pleased with your seeking, I'm just happy to know you dear girl.
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Hi Shay, i just found your comments on my answer, and I'm so pleased to see your excitement, it just thrills me to have you for my friend! And I'm so sure our Father is pleased to see you seeking understanding of the mysteries in His Word! You are so adorable Shay! Love you dear girl! Your friend, Beth
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thanks Beth, I lov you too. You are a true strength & friend.
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Shay you sure are sweet telling me that you love me :). That's all about our Father filling us up with His love, and Shay, we're so full of His love that we can pour it on others . It's a Christian characteristic! And another good reason to become a believer! If you tell me what you're reading or about to read, I will read it too, I'm having so much fun with your" good mornings from down under! " and am just so glad you're my friend! I won't wear it out! Bye friend!
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Have you ever seen the "Creation Museum" that place is a joke at best. It actually tries to explain Dino's and such with-in a 6k year period.

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Because the bible says so

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Ahh come on people, the earth is more than 6,000 year old. Noah alone lived close a thousand years.

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Because they also believe that men years and years ago were able to live to be over 400 years old. Even though they had poor hygiene at the time and when they had to do excretory business they would do it in public. There were diseases everywhere. Seriously, if the Bible was actually correct, then we'd be living shorter lives, not longer ones. In which case, the average life of a human would be 32 years. Really, all the bacteria and diseases that were spread, there's no way they could've lived any longer than 200 years. They believe all this BS because they also believe men years ago were able to live over 200 years.

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No, the earth isn't 6,000 years old and the "days" that it took to create the earth weren't literal 24 hour days.

There is no rapture.

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Why a question mark at the end of what clearly amounts to a self serving statement?

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Oh, please cookie. You've been on long enough to remember when Ask was nothing but these questions and "JB or 1D?"
What's with your new found interest in me anyways? 3 of my ancient questions in 5 minutes? Are you bored or lonely?
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