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Communism is a universally bad system that can only lead to a tyrannical totalitarian regime, this has been shown more than once in history to be a matter of fact.

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Minji

*sigh* I feel angry just thinking about it now. Words can not completely explain my feelings towards it...

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It severely limits people's personal freedoms and choices.

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klousfrog

when few rule the many it is bad but the UN wants to make it seem like world peace. world unity and peace is good but not when dictated by a few powerful groups who control the finances. more community involvement is needed right now.

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We are there now in the US. Our people are just too stupid to understand.

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Excuse me but how?
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You won't get intelligent answers here from the indoctrinated. The first 6 answers demonstrate that.

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so far, yes. I assume you know what it is?
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More than most people here, apparently.
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Tralbry, what's your opinion on communism?
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Real communism? Theoretical? What the Soviets did was only communism for a very brief time once Trotsky was deposed. What the Chinese are doing also. Just like what happens in the US is hardly Adam Smith Capitalism or a free market. Our economy and that of Europe are all hybrids. Ours is just especially toxic and corrupt lately.

My opinion is less important than the fact that almost nobody in the US has a clue about it since it was persecuted in the 1950's and made illegal. If you want to know what it aspires to be just read Mark or Engels or Trotsky or whoever. If you want a broad overview read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
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I'll read that. Thanks. You're saying that Wikipedia article is about what you refer to as "real" communism?
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There isn't a single "real" communism. There have been a lot of factions with warring ideas on the particulars of what it should be. That's part of the problem - that they fight over the ideology of it. It also doesn't help that when the few times they weren't having in-fighting and they were making progress that they then faced outside forces (especially expansionist Capitalists) doing what they can to undermine it.

Some of the principles of shared work, responsibility, input and wealth are clearly superior to the dog eat dog of capitalism but the allure of fame and wealth are more appealing and an easier way out. It's much harder building an equitable society.

The WIkipedia article is a variety of views and a starting point.
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Okay I'll read it. But let me point out I believe in capitalism not for the allure of wealth but for the quality of independence. I don't want my future wealth to go to others, and I don't want others' future wealth to go to me. Whoever works for it gets to keep it.
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Tralbry, I understand you're trying to say there's a communist utopia that societies fail to achieve. I mean this sincerely: do you think it's the unachieved goal of proper communism that ruins countries?
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By that I mean, do you think trying to get proper communism is a stalemate?
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Independence is relative. Are the people here that work low paying jobs and never get very far ahead independent or free? People here claim that they are "free", and compared to some places they are relatively, but the word freedom here has become tarnished by weird libertarian ideologues to also mean free to exploit others, free to not pay taxes, free to make obscene personal profits and so on. The gaps here are huge. Even at it's worst in the Soviet Union the separation between the poorest and the wealthiest wasn't even close to as extreme as it is here so in that sense it was more fair even if they were all poorer overall. Here the wealthy aren't working 10,000 times harder or smarter to get those advantages yet we have the 1% owning 90% of the country.

Yes, I think it'll be a stalemate as long as powerful capitalist forces are there to compete with and undermine it. And people being shallow would rather have a fancy car better than their neighbors car rather than the same car as their neighbor. Marketeers exploit that fact .

If left alone, maybe some version of communism or anarcho-syndicalism or some similar ism would flourish but not as long as it so scares the big moneyed interests that they'll do everything from propaganda campaigns to covert wars to undermine it.

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By the way, Karl Marx supported a free press and you can still have independence of thought and action under many systems. They had it in the Spanish revolution too. You say you like the quality of independence but what exactly do you mean by that? In other words, what COULDN'T you do under a non-ideal communist or socialist system?

No, there are no utopias. Not communist or capitalist.
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Tralbry, notice I said "I don't want others' wealth going to me". I'm only 17 now; for all I know I'm going to be homeless in my later life. But I still support communism because even if I fail I'm happy for those who haven't.
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What I couldn't do under a communist system depends on what the system were to tell me; and that's exactly it, I couldn't have free will. What I couldn't do under a socialist system is keep my earnings.
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Well, Marcus at least you're open at 17. We have preppy who's completely indoctrinated as well as men here 3 or 4 times his age who are completely suckered by the Fox/partisan divide. Every country, every institution tries to "train" people to think in limited ways. That feature isn't limited to communist states.
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Free will exists everywhere. Even in the worst systems you still have that. Freedom of movement and association - maybe not but will... yes.

Unless of course free will is all an illusion in which case nobody has it.
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Currently in every communist country people are arrested if they try to stop the law; even if that means stopping them from kidnapping or assaulting. I don't refer to that as free will.
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Today's "communist" countries aren't what I'm interested in. They're not close to Marx or the better hybrids.

I don't know what you mean by "stop the law"? If you try to stop the law here they'll arrest you here, too. Who's assaulting who? Or kidnapping who? You lost me.

I assure you that Rodney King was assaulted under a Capitalist system if you mean those kinds of actions.


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I apologize but you misunderstood what I'm saying. Anyway I don't feel well so I'm going to take a break. Hope we meet again.
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In order for a country to become communist, someone has to endorse communism. That person is likely in high power. In order for that leader to endorse communism they would have to know a lot about it, and therefore they would have to know that it predisposes his/her self and future leaders to become greedy, given that they can do whatever they want. If the person still wants to endorse communism anyway, that shows that they don't care or are not thinking about the future. This ultimately leads to high power greed and poverty for the people. If a leader truly knows what's best for their country they'll choose a structure of government in which power is vested in the people, and execution is vested in the authorities; providing that the people keep executives in check, and the executives keep the people in check – reducing the chance of corruption on both sides.

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What a weird, disjointed answer. Communism that starts at the top isn't communism at all. It's a collective process from the ground up. The whole point of it is to invest power in the people.
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I never said it would start at the top. And please, you can argue against my answer without insulting me.
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How does it invest power in the people?
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Something that looks good on paper but fails while being practice

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It sucks that we are headed there.

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Theoretically, communism is a great system. So far, in practice, it hasn't worked very well.

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Nice one j^5
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"Ism's" are such slippery little suckers. They start to morph and mutate almost from the moment of inception - and can become little more than convenient labels for the intellectually lazy and/or dishonest. As for communism, it should be acknowledged that as a mechanism for transforming largely illiterate peasant farmer populations into literate industrial workers, it has proven remarkably swift & effective - though brutal. People forget how brutal the hundreds of years of the Industrial Revolution were under capitalism. Please do not take this as an endorsement of either,merely an objective observation.In their "pure" forms, ideologies - political, economic or religious - invariably prove to be untenable in the long term.

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What a great answer. Deserves more than a single star.
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Thanks, Dodgy - what do you think of this?
Q - How goes the Revolution?
A - Round & round.
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Seems a fair answer. I was actually going to answer this one along the same lines as yourself but you didn't leave anything to say.

Coimmunism's a great theory but it doesn't work in practice. I know China have made it an economic success but only at an enormous cost in civil liberties.
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That does seem to be the case, but I am embarassed to admit, I don't really know what the average Chinese had in the way of civil liberties in the first place. I wonder what the cost of the technological revolution will turn out to be when the dust settles?
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My opinion is that it kills people it's a death sentence .

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.....what? Well, it is opinionated.
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