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There is a baker in Portland that refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple. He claims he is exercising his right to practice...

his religion; his religion says same sex marriages are unacceptable, so this is his choice. He discriminated on grounds of sexual preference, which is against federal law. I think he got his choice when he chose to open a business, he does not have an additional choice to discriminate based on freedom of religion. He chooses either a religious belief or a business--not both in this case. What do you say?

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Well, I suppose it his shop, and he has the right to decide who he will and will not serve. If it was any other shop, I would think it is a ridiculous thing to do, but considering it is a wedding cake, which takes a lot of time and care to make, I would prefer if the person doing it didn't have any ill feelings towards it, as it will take many hours to complete, and cake-making is an art that should be done with love. Its too far gone now to change what happened, even if the cake-maker apologized and decided to do it anyways. If I were the engaged couple, I would have just left the store, and started looking for another shop that would do it for me, rather than complaining about it and publically shaming the business-owner.
Honestly, the most shocking part about this question was reading that discriminating on the grounds of sexual preference is against federal law. I don't think we have that law here in Australia. I'm not sure we need it here so badly to make a law about it. Must be pretty bad over there.

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Discrimination for ANY reason, is wrong. Whether it's race or sexual preference. It is none of ANYONE's business who I want to marry.
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It is much, much better than it has been. The young people are growing up with a completely different attitude about gay couples--what a joy to see that! I didn't say in my question, but the gay couple said that he told them they were an abomination to the Lord, he denies it. I believe them.
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Yeah, I completely agree that it is no one's business what goes on in other people's lives, its not like it affects anyone elses life significantly. Sad to see people making back-handed comments all the time, takes 3 seconds for them to say, then they usually move on, but it sticks with the person on the receiving end for a very long time.
I'm interested to see how many more decades it takes until homosexuality is normalized, and having both parents of the same sex is not something to slander. I doubt I will live to see the day, if it ever comes.
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They are fighting. Hopefully they don't have to for long.
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Estelle, good news, I saw the results of a poll on attitudes towards same-sex marriages and the young people hardly care about it at all; it is the old folks who are still fussing. It will happen sooner than you think!
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Oh that is good news :)
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Same sex relationships will never be normal. They will be excepted but unless they are the majority of all relationships, they can't be normal. That will never happen or the human race will soon disappear.
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Straight couples will always be straight, and they will keep reproducing just like they are now.
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I said 'normalized' in the sense of being accepted as a normal sort of relationship. I meant it as the next step BEYOND just being accepted, but as something that no one gives a second thought to. I used the word 'normalized' instead of 'normal', because I was under the impression they had a different meaning.
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Honestly, it's wrong fishie. It's very wrong to discriminate. But on the other hand, this guy is just digging his own grave. I guarantee there are going to be straight couples who will now choose a different baker just because of this jerk. Can you say karma?

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According to what he said, there are hundreds of supportive emails coming in and he can't keep the stock on his shelves. I'm thinking the flood from those who find discrimination based on sexual orientation will ebb, while those who refuse to do business with him will be consistently high, or even increase. I think it's shameful.
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Yes it is very shameful, and yes it will! In fact I would be one of those customers who would tell all my friends and family not to do any business with him.
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Me too!
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Sistergirl, I wanted to say something to you about your question about your mom, but I didn't want it to be on your question because it might lead to dissention. If the actual surgery is on the 14th, you don't really need to be there, do you? She's not going to be conscious and you'd be there during the day, right? Make arrangements to have a backup and then they can call you if your mom wakes up and asks for you--that makes sense to me. When Mom told me they had discovered cancer, I called my boss and told him I was leaving because my Mom had cancer and I'd call and tell him when I would return. He said he'd pray for my mom and that was the end of the conversation. I think the comment about Family Medical Leave is worth looking into. You'll be gone without pay, but they can't just fire you. It's a complicated law, and I can't remember much of it, but I know you can find out if you want to. I just thought I'd give you a different perspective.
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I have a bad feeling about her surgery, it's not just a minor surgery. It's spinal neck surgery, which in my eyes is a very MAJOR surgery. If something were to happen, and I wasn't up there with her, I live an hour and a half away from the city which is where they are doing her surgery at. I wouldn't make it there in time, not to mention what kind of driving shape would I be in?
I have it all worked out thou, I got someone to cover the shift for me. So everything is fine.
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Wonderful! I'm so glad to hear it. I'll be thinking about you and your mom on the 14th. That is, indeed, major surgery, and you are right to want to be there when you live that far away. You would not be in any shape at all to drive that far if you found out your mom had some problem with the surgery. Wonderful news. I got my new furbaby. She's a doll and just what I wanted. I'm so glad someone rescued her; she was having babies at 7 months of age, as were her daughters! Can you believe it! I've named her Norma Jean! Isn't that great! I love saying it.
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Norma Jean! I love it! Hug her for me :)
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She's right here, resting her eyes...long day! I petted her and told her Aunt CJ sends her love!
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I agree. That is how capitalism works in its purest form. We don't need laws to tell us how to treat each other. Our money talks just fine.
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It is wrong. But he may be hiding under the fact he reserves the rite to refuse service to anyone.

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According to the law, he can refuse service to anyone unless the refusal is based on race, religion, sexual orientation, or something else I can't remember. So he could refuse to serve someone who was drunk, or high, or fat, but not because of their race, or because they are gay.
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Never stoped my barber. He wont cut any gay guys hair or bi guys hair.. including mine
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He's breaking the law. Anyone can continue breaking the law until someone reports them, or they get caught. But, I'm wondering how he can be your barber if he won't cut your hair?
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Was until he found out i was bi lol
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I do not condone this treatment towards anyone, but he does have the right to refuse services. As Cj pointed out; if this is true, then this baker just lost a lot of business. It is more than disheartening to see when we treat each other in such a manor. God bless.

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well it is his business and I reckin he can turn down any request he pleases.

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Eddy, did you read what I wrote? He can turn down any request, but he can not do it because of a person's race, religion or sexual preference. Furthermore, he called them an abomination to the Lord! What do you think about that!
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yeah, I read what you wrote but still it is his business. I think it is wrong just because it was a gay couple but he should not to forced to do something he does not want to do being his business.
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Do you think if he did not want to serve blacks, it would be okay to refuse them service because they were people of color?
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it is his business. I believe you should have the right to not serve whom ever you want. as for myself, it is wrong but that is just how the way it is if their business.
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Eddy, if the law had not banned racial discrimination, we'd still have blacks only sections, segregated schools, and no black entertainers allowed in the buildings other than to perform. How could we not have fixed this state of affairs? Gay people have just as much right to service as anyone else, we have to fix that state of affairs. If this businessman does not want to serve gays, or people of color, he needs to close his business--it is not his right to discriminate.
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in a business of a private individual should have the right to serve whom they want. it is a shame to do so to me, but that it just the way it is.
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No Eddy, that is not the way it is. The laws do not allow discrimination based on race, religion, or sexual preference. There is one more or maybe two, but these are the ones I remember.
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well, I believe a person has the right to refuse service to whom ever they want. I am talking about if this man is in his own personal business making cakes. I don't believe it is right but it is his business. I'm not talking about big outfits like Dunkin Donut's or something like that.
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You are both right. There are laws that force private business to have to serve people that they may not want to serve. I also believe it is wrong for government to force a business to serve those they do not wish to serve. It's like laws to prevent you from feeling certain ways. I feel that capitalism in its purest form would do a far better job to end discrimination type feelings by people losing business because of their awful way of conducting business. Money talks. And it will walk away from businesses that discriminate for whatever reason.
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I agree 100%. He can think anyway he chooses, but he can't judge. His business must obey
federal law. Sell his cakes and shut up.


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I just love your answer! How simple. Of course, olpaint, I also loved your answer about keeping your girls out of combat by locking them in the basement...you make me laugh! Thank you for that!
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It's totally fine. It's his business he does the work. Pays the bills. He can run it as he pleases. I see nothing wrong with that. But! It's a terrible way to operate a business.

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He can refuse to serve anyone. It is his business. I don't agree with his reasons but respect his rights as an American to have them, and he is only hurting himself. A wedding cake is important. If it were me I'd choose someone else to make if. I would hate to eat this guys spit.

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He can legally refuse to serve any customer he wants, reasons don't matter but when news gets out lots of people will go to a different baker

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That's what I think also. Unless it turns out like Chick-Fil-A.... Hopefully Huckabee won't get ahold of the story and run with it... Lol Church people love bakery's... ;)
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Too bad church people forget about love when it comes to others.
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Reasons do matter. It is against the law to discriminate based on race, religion, and sexual preference. There is an actual federal law that says that. It is illegal to refuse service based on any of those reasons. You can refuse service if you don't like the shirt someone is wearing, or their nose, or the color of their pants, but you can not legally refuse service based on sexual orientation.
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That's true koichan, I had forgotten that. I was equating it with the minister who refused to perform our marriage because I was a bartender ( at a place most of his congregation went to)
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Gee, what a hypocrite! I'm sure you found a more loving person to do the honors!
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Oh yeah
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If he's the Owner he can refuse. A Wedding Cake is special and should be made with Love not Hate. They should take their money elsewhere and be glad to pay someone who is not ignorant.

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I think people like this baker are the TRUE abominations in the world. Although I don't agree with him, he has the right to refuse service to anyone. It's bad business sense though, so he's really the only one getting harmed by his ignorance. I'm sure the couple won't want a cake from him now anyway.

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Well selling food to all people is right .But this is a master piece that's created for Two people that want to get married and a marriage is only between a man and a woman .Not man and man or
Woman and woman .This owner chose to make that statement that his Gods Word is greater than his business and he lives his faith .And that is his choice .We should show tallarance .

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Koichan, what a cross-section of answers! Instead of being interested in the differences between us all and wishing two people in love enough to do the traditional wedding the best of luck, the baker commits an act of racism. I hope those people told every single person they know that this happened and that news of his racist act affect his business considerably.

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