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Am I a true atheist?

I'm alarmed by all the talk about Christians vs "true" Christians and hope I won't be ostracised by the atheistic fraternity.

I don't believe there's a God.
I do believe there's an intangible human aura.
I don't believe in Heaven and Hell (or Paradise and Jahannam)
I do think there's at least SOME chance we survive death.
I don't believe in religion.
I do think that, rarely, we may see a shade/spirit/apparition.

In spite of all that I claim to be an agnostic but can I claim to be a TRUE agnostic or, now that I've confessed, will my atheist friends label me *sob* UNTRUE.

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The only thing atheists have in common is lack of belief in gods.

Still might have to revoke your Evil Atheist Membership card and change the pass code on the door to the Underground Volcano Lair of Doom.

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Hi Kitten. I was hoping you wouldn't come in a beat me up. 8<{ Considering the number of people talking about "true" Christians I thought it might be fun to talk about true atheists -- one of which I am not quite.

It's certainly getting a lot of answers so far. I'm wearing out my mouse giving away stars.
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I just can't keep from commenting on the "agnostic" ones. The fact that so few people know what agnosticism actually is kind of peeves me for some reason.
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I noticed that. :-)
This question is just for laughs, and a not-too-subtle dig at that handful of Ask Christians who think their fellow-believers are not truly of the faith.
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The definition of the word agnostic is a belief that the existence of god is unknown and unknowable.
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You will be shunned and your cloths will be burned... Your not a true dodgy either...

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That's what I'm afraid of, Lil Helper. Thank you for being honest.
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No problem buddy I'm here for you... Want some more honesty? :)...
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I can only handle honest in small doses. I'm easily bruised. :-)
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You are rejecting my help..... You are... Confused... And a heritic....... >:(
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I don't deserve good friends. *sob*
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That's right... GROVEL AT MY FEET!!!... HAHAHAAA!...
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Do you believe in any higher power?

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Only the one supplied by the electricity company.

As an agnostic I suppose I have to allow the possibility that there's a higher power of some kind out there but it wouldn't have much in common with the God of religion and it may probably isn't intelligent (as we understand the term).
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You're an atheist.
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You're probably right, jpa.
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Lmao... as I'm scrolling I thought you were addressing me Dodgy... jpa are my initials lol
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Jason Parson Anderson?
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Jonathan Paul Adams
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Nah, JustPlayingAround answered the question. But nice to put a name with a pseudonym. Where did nwarguy come from? Sounds like a defoermed whale. Nah, that's a narwhal.
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Close enough
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lmao! I'm not very creative so... I live in NorthWest ARkansas.. thus nwarguy
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Sounds creative to me. And descriptive.
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You're "spiritual"

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That I'll admit, to Torngren, even though my religious friends may disagree. Good description.
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U don't need a label.
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FunnyLittleFrog

To be atheist just means you don't believe in God, so you're good.

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Whew! Thanks, frog.
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He said that
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You sound more agnostic then atheistic.

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Thanks, Jewel. I noticed your name in another question. Looks interesting.
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Thank you.
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Agnosticism is a position on knowledge not belief. If he doesn't believe in a god- he's an atheist.
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Did you hear about the dislexic agnostic? He laid awake all night wondering of there was a dog
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Agnostics believe there is a possibility but no one can truly know.
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Again, agnosticism has nothing to do with belief. Agnosticism is a position on knowledge- that one cannot prove a god exists with absolute certainty or that the position is inherently unknowable. Agnostics also have a belief- they are atheists or theists as well, and in some rare cases apatheists.

Most people are under the mistaken impression agnosticism means you don't know or are "fence sitting".
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@Gringo: Did you hear about the dyslexic devil worshipper? He sold his soul to Santa.
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Lol!! I consider myself agnostic. I think there could be but I don't know, and I can't know.
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Only you can decide

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Thanks, Tony. That's very non-judgmental of you.
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I would call you an agnostic, not an atheist.

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That's like being "not true" then. Sheesh! Maybe I'll have to re-think my position.
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If he doesn't believe in a god, he's an atheist. All there is to atheism.
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You should believe what you want to believe and not worry about titles.
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Skeptikitten, there are the agnostics that don't believe or don't not believe. They are reserving their judgment until they have proof one way or another.
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Position on belief has nothing to do with agnosticism.

FYI- if you don't overtly believe a god exists you're an atheist. Most atheists are also agnostics, and would believe in a god if evidence were provided.
What you describe is more agnostic atheism.
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Children, children, no fighting after class. This is a fun question.
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You are who you are, and you are the best you you can be, because your best decisions got you where you are. Right? Bless you from a non believing blesser.

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Love that non believing blesser. Thanks for the comment.

But isn't your user name a bit agnosticated (new word). Dingos come from Australia but Gringos sound more Mexican. That's quite a mix.
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You sound more Agnostic to me. :-/

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There seems to be a consensus forming in that direction, Minji. Thanks for answering.
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We'll never reject you Dodgy! Once saved, always saved!

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Bless yoiu, J^5. May his Noodliness spray you with his sauce. R'amen.
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Lol
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Atheists believe there is no God or governing force, that everything is happen chance.
Agnostics simply acknowledge that they don't know the ultimate nature of anything.
You sound like an agnostic, as am I. You believe in something, you just don't know what it is.

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Actually most atheists ARE agnostic. Agnosticism is a position on knowledge not belief.
Agnosticism says that a god's existence is not provable or inherently knowable. All agnostics also either believe in a god or not.

If you don't overtly believe in a god, you are an atheist too.
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Sounds good, splootch. A friend once asked me the difference between atheists and agnostics. I told him atheists believed there was no God but we agnostics don't know what we believe.
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Hi Skepkit, didn't I just say that!
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No. And you mistakenly said atheists believe there's no gods (not the same as lacking belief) and that we believe everything is chance (some religious atheists like Theravada Buddhists don't).
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Sorry kiddo, you lost me. Sounds like you're still saying the same thing as I am. You might be splitting hairs according to different factions just like different sects of Christianity tend to quarrel and indeed kill each other on occasion. I'm going purely on the definition of the words according to the dictionary.
Sorry, but you can't be human and have no belief in anything. Also, you can not-believe in gravity all you want, but If you drop a brick it's still gonna land on your foot.
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Agnostic maybe

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Probably. Yeah, thanks.
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I would say you're an atheist. Atheist simply means the lack of belief in a higher power. Auras and apparitions have nothing to do with higher powers.

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Good point, PassageOne. I occasionally refer to those things in my answers and sometimes wonder if I'm confusing people.
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Another thing you must realize is that atheist is simply a label. There really is no such thing as an atheist. I don't believe because I have no reason to believe. This would make me an atheist right? Well, why am I an atheist then? You see, an atheist is just a label. I like to call myself an atheist because it makes me feel better about myself. All in all, though, being an atheist is just a label.
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I'm inclined to split the non-religious community into atheists, agnostics, and non-believers, with the far greatest group being the non-believers. Of those, most have probably never thought the subject worth serious thought.

However, I take Skeptikitten's point that you can be an agnostic but still be an atheist. Makes me feel heaps better.
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Im the same way and I consider myself atheist so in my book your good

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Nice to know I've got an ally out there, ckim.
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No because your still open to the fact that something could have created us

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I might have to toughen up my stance before they let me back into the club. Thanks for answering, Andy.
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#1You should study the bible for your self. And find out for you.. if its real or not to you. good place to start would to read up and ask someone who is ''spiritual' and talk to someone who is familiar with gods teaching 'bible' but not only talk to someone who knows about the bible but find someone who's livening it.. not just preaching it.'' just cus someone say they belive doesnt mean they 'know him.'God.' Keep these things in mind when you go searching... people who 'know'god , and belive in him are looking for him & found him. you have to look for him to find him. He's not as far as you think.;) God Bless..! ((GODSPEED)) Ps. you must have faith* to find him. and a willinest.

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Thanks, HelpMe. That's nice of you.

I'm very familiar with the Bible so there's nothing new there for me, but that's for the suggestion.
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wow, that does absolutely nothing to answer his question. Dodgy, she is trying to convert you. I knew this would happen sometime
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Me too, but it's done with good intentions. Besides, I asked the question so I invited all the responses people choose to give. Why should I complain because somebody expresses a different view to mine?
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im not trying to conver you.. But thirs alot to cover. 'what im trying to say was digg depper , to find out if you are or are not.' you know yourslef better than anyone eals so only you could answer that.
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Yes, Dodgy, and while you're at it, read the Quran and every other Holy Book.
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I understand that HelpMe and I think your intention is good.

PassageOne: At risk of offending our Muslims I really don't like the Quran. I think the culture behind it is too different to my own. I can enjoy the Bible for it's poetry and its stories and perhaps I should read the Quran to see what's really there, but the bits that have been quoted by the faithful on Ask don't really have much appeal.

And, yes, I knew you were kidding but it's not a bad comment at that.
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or dont.. its your life. have a good day.. bye.
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G A S P !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I am soooooo disillusioned!!!!!! What will I tell our friends????


Eh...who am I kidding...........none of us give a rat's a$$ what you believe now do we????


Besides....I simply have no use for religion...I am a bit different from some of our atheist friends in the fact that I do not care what you believe and have no interest in trying to prove a believer wrong. Pasta for everyone!!!!!

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R'amen, Bird Woman. I forgot to mention that I also believe in beautiful female Californians who turn into eagles when the moon is in its final phase.
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Awwww.....you have made my night!!!!!!!!
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Damn, If I knew you were giving it away free it would have saved me some work.
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Looks great! But I just had Strogonoff with noodles, and now I'm stuffed.
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Put it in the fridge for later :0)
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LOL ok will do
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Did you make the Strogonoff? Homemade?
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Can I come over next time?
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Yep. from scratching err scratch, it's the only way
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LOL! Save me a seat/plate next time.....
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LOL will do.
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I just noticed dozy said you are in Calif? I thought you were Canadian.
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Rathkaele is Canadian. I'm a Southern Cali eagle :0)
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ahh ok, maybe it was her I had a short discourse on Canadian Government LOL. My wife and I are in S. Cal for the next month. then going to Bakersfield for 2-3 months, beats freezing up north that's for sure.
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Well this time of year is about the best for Bakersfield! Although we got up to about 80 today :-/

I would love to live up north!!!!
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I was raised in S Cal (Riverside area) and have very little recall of very cold weather, then spent about 20 years in Minn and Wisconsin. I went to work for a company that moved me to Guam for 7 years, since then I cannot stand cold weather.
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I am very near Riverside so you KNOW the weather here. Summer or Spring (60 degrees or higher at all times).

I try to go up to Central Cali (YNP, Sequoia) and farther north as much as possible. We were in Shasta in October and in Mariposa (for YNP) over Christmas weekend. I am itching to go to the mountains again very soon.
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So you know Norco, then if you're close to Riverside, that's where I was raised. But I've looked at sat picts of it now and it is nothing like it was when I was a kid, that area has built up so much.
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Yeah it is a regular old city now. Not many ranches left.
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Yeah, that's what we lived on were small ranches with the exception of when we lived on LaQuenta way, which was just a neighborhood house.My dad raised rabbits for a while I think he thought he'd get a great business going, he h ad like 400 rabbits at one point.
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Well in the 70s rabbit fur coats were very popular!!!

That is a LOT of rabbits!!!!

Don't you live in Florida?

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No, I actually live in PA, but I'm never there, I work on the road and pretty much travel all over the US. I'm in CA until aprox May, then off to Alabama, then up to Wisconsin in the summer for 2 months.
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Lots of traveling! That must be interesting!!! Wonder why I thought Florida. Oh well.
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2 of my last larger projects were in FL, so I spent quite a bit of time there the last 2 winters.
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That must have been it!
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Ignore this Yos. Testing the Dozy activity button to see if it's working.
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Lol! Roger that :0)
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Nah, didn't work still.
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You probably are more agnostic.

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You're probably right, TI. The way I feel this morning I might have to borrow some of the insanity you have trapped.
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WWDD? What Would Dozy Do?

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Dang, Medic. I didn't think to consult him. I'd better have a seance and see if I can summon up his soul.
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Dodgy, you stated "I don't believe there's a God." You're automatically an atheist. That is the only quantification. The rest of it is all personal feelings. Not all atheists reject everything spiritual.

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Thank you, Seedy. I'm getting warm and fuzzy with all these expressions of fellowship and acceptance. :-)
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I'm not sure which category you fall into but would like to comment on your "true Christians" comment. Many people call themselves Christians but they really are practical atheists. They say that they believe in God but live there life as though God didn't exist. Some may even go to church. Their lives don't match up to the doctrine of Jesus in the Bible. That is why so many people are disgusted and want nothing to do with Christianity. There were many religious people like this in Jesus' day. If you were to read the 4 gospels, you would see Jesus was very hard on them. He said their hearts were far from God, their worship was meaningless and that they lived rules just made up by men. He ate and spoke with "sinners" and was called by the religious community a "drunk" and "demon possessed" and a friend of sinners. Then there are other people who are really following Christ. They are not perfect. They are so grateful for the forgiveness that they have received that it motivates them to want to live like Jesus. It's a life-long process. No one will ever be perfect.

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Well done, Long Road. You've caught the essence of my question and interpreted it correctly.

There are perhaps 4 or 5 people on Ask (and one in particular) who habitually refer to any Christians who disagree with them as not being true Christians. If you have read many of the religious questions on here you'll know exactly who they are, and you'll find it very easy to identify the Archbishop (which is not to say the Arch Bigot).

I've crossed swords with a lot of Christians since joining Ask a couple of years ago and most of us have been able to find some accommodation with each other, even if that is only agreeing to disagree. But my friend the Archbishop is case in the Westboro mould and will yield not an inch. He would feel smug and self-satisfied in his obstinacy.

Thank you for taking the trouble to answer.
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No problem. I wish you only the best.
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If the only thing you are worried about is being a labeled a snob by your friend then I think your doing just fine.

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You get and star AND a smiley for that one Blue. It raised a smile.
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Thats great Dodgy/Dozy, glad I can help keep things workin' for ya.
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Why would you want to be either?

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Why would I not?
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Because both of them are the opposite of christianity.
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Quite.
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Dodgy, you lack belief in gods therefore you are atheist. We still love you! Besides, the FSM will never to his back on you.

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R'amen, Brother Lepp.
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I would classify you as having no religion, just to make things easier. :P

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I play chess religiously, Momo. does that count?
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Ohh no it doesnt count...you know that very well lol ;)
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Well Dodgy : I almost have tears in my eyes. I had hoped so deeply that you might give your heart to Jesus. I feel now that it was just for fun and conversation. You see : there are some of us that walk the narrow road of life. We have spent hours in the Bible and have fallen in love with Jesus. We feel we will live with Him one day in a perfect world with no sin or death. Can you imagine a world where there is no hatred or evil. No one killing people ? God is Holy & He chose goodness but people refused & chose hatred & rebellion. SO I for one... Will say a prayer for you daily hoping you will find this love that I feel for my fellow man.. Which could only come from a loving God that people have read so wrong !!! See ya

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Hi Betty. Thanks for the kind words. Like you I have spent hours in the Bible. No, strike that. Years, not hours. I won't get into a religious debate with you here, I know your heart is good, but "been there, done that" certainly covers my religious experience. It's not something I'd care to repeat. This was only a fun question but thanks for taking the time to answer.
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Dodgy...iv never been able to see you as an athiest or even an agnostic with the way u write. I see you as an individual...a human being who is still seeking for answers and you seem like someone who has a good heart. Do we really need to be labeled? U r more than a label to me. :)

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That's very kind of you, Lolo. But no, I don't need a label. The question had two purposes. One was to laugh at those people who think there's a difference between Christians and "true" Christians. There's a lot of arrogance and one-upmanship in that term.

The second was to clarify my position on things spiritual. Sometimes I answer questions on both sides of the line and anybody who has me tagged as a dyed-in-the-wool rationalist would be surprised by some of my answers -- as would anybody who got as far as the "Mystical Maze" on my web page.

So it wasn't completely fun, it was also meant as a statement about who I am. Basically, as you suggested, I tend to throw off labels. I'm an individual, I make up my own mind, and I've managed to alienate a lot of people by doing that. I try to be a bit gentler in my old age. :-)

Thanks for answering, and for your generous words.
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I do see your gentleness....:). If only everyone had that. :). Regarding those who r true christ followers or not. I know if mentioned this. Its not arrogance in any sense. I try to explain that true followers r people who love and r quick to forgive, etc. Etc...as Jesus would have us. There r many who know the bible but they do not have christ in their hearts and they do not show love. They can be very judgemental people, too. There is a big difference. Real love of God shows humility. But...only God knows all of our hearts and He is the true judge on this. And people may love God but they screw up and act unkind...so again...we all need mercy and grace.
Going back to you...I know what you are asking, I think its kinda cute. I still see it as....no one is a true athiest or else they would have to be God to make that claim. Many people probably fall under agnostic over athiest but they are simply folks who just want and need more answers. In 100 years....we will ALL know the truth..:).
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Blimey, Lolo, Never mind 100 years. I'd reckon 10 or 15 for me.
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Well...yes....but...its a guarentee of 100 for everyone on here. Lol. U say 10-15 for u? May I ask your age?
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Well, I don't mind telling you but I posted my age on another question today. I'll give you a link, but let me know if you can't work it out. In fact, let me know if you can. :-) You'll need to page down to find my answer.

http://www.ask.com/answers/292986441/how-old-are-you#post-293004521

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Too funny, Dodge. Age is just a number. But, there something to say about grey hair and life experience. :)
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In case you didn't get it, and to answer your question, 75.
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Oh...no..and I wasn't sure if it was for anyone to find out. :). Your close in age with my folks and mother in law. :). About my guess. Hope u r enjoying your later years...and retirement? And not too much hardships in the body? I have chronic illness myself. My mom has more energy and life in her than me. He he.
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Not too many problems, Lolo. My get up and go wants to get up and leave but I'm not quite ready to let it do that yet. All old people have problems and mine are no worse than most. Things just happen more slowly these days. :-)
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OzMan, we have MUCH more dancing to do..........it will take longer than 10 or 15 years!
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And you still have to teach me how to do barrel rolls, Yosey.
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Very cool. Good to enjoy life and learn new things. Iv taken dancing lessons, too... But bc bc of my health issues.. Haven't been able to. I say .. Do it! .. If u can.
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OzMan...all ya gotta do is hold on tight.........
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Hi my friend Dodgy, I hope this help.
God said:
They indeed are losers who denied their Meeting with Allah, until all of a sudden, the Hour (signs of death) is on them, and they say: "Alas for us that we gave no thought to it," while they will bear their burdens on their backs; and evil indeed are the burdens that they will bear!
And the life of this world is nothing but play and amusement. But far better is the house in the Hereafter for those who are (the pious). Will you not then understand?
God said:
Say Mohammad (to unbeliever): "Verily, the death from which you flee will surely meet you, then you will be sent back to (Allah), the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen, and He will tell you what you used to do."
God said:
And whomsoever Allah wills to guide, He opens his breast to Islam; and whomsoever He wills to send astray, He makes his breast closed and constricted, as if he is climbing up to the sky. Thus Allah puts the wrath on those who believe not.
God said:
He (Allah) said: "Get you down (from the Paradise to the earth), both of you, together, some of you are an enemy to some others. Then if there comes to you guidance from Me, then whoever follows My Guidance he shall neither go astray, nor shall be distressed.
"But whosoever turns away from My Reminder (i.e. neither believes in this Quran nor acts on its teachings.) verily, for him is a life of hardship, and We shall raise him up blind on the Day of Resurrection."
He will say: "O my Lord! Why have you raised me up blind, while I had sight (before)."
(Allah) will say: "Like this: Our (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) came unto you, but you disregarded them (i.e. you left them, did not think deeply in them, and you turned away from them), and so this Day, you will be neglected (in the Hell-fire, away from Allah's Mercy)."
Finally, to have rest in your life God said:
Those who believed (in the Oneness of Allah - Islamic Monotheism), and whose hearts find rest in the remembrance of Allah: verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest.

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Please read this also.
God said:
If you could but see when they (unbeliever) will be held over the (Hell) Fire! They will say: "Would that we were but sent back (to the world)! Then we would not deny the (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, revelations, etc.) of our Lord, and we would be of the believers!"
Nay, it has become manifest to them what they had been concealing before. But if they were returned (to the world), they would certainly revert to that which they were forbidden. And indeed they are liars.
And they said: "There is no (other life) but our (present) life of this world, and never shall we be resurrected (on the Day of Resurrection)."
If you could but see when they will be held (brought and made to stand) in front of their Lord! He will say: "Is not this (Resurrection and the taking of the accounts) the truth?" They will say: "Yes, by our Lord!" He will then say: "So taste you the torment because you used not to believe."
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Hi Al, Since I asked the question I did read the answers (I don't normally bother to read quotes from either the Bible or the Quran). what you quoted is very similar to the Christian idea of "eat drink and be merry" but "after death comes the judgment".

Thanks for answering.
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Look up not enough faith to be an atheist! Might give you some insight! You believe in something or you wouldn't ask!

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You might be right, WestCrystal. On the other hand you may not have grasped my sense of humour. ;-) But thanks for answering.
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I didn't grasp humor in the question at all:( I did grasp confusion and pain though. I may be wrong but my heart does go out to any and all who don't believe in God and to those who don't serve him. I didn't use to but I had several close incounters and well I'm serve Jesus Christ to the fullest. But to each their own I just thought I'd share the title of the book and the series. Have a blessed day
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Ah, but Westcrystal, that's precisely the point. You didn't grasp the humour and MY heart goes out to any poor soul who is unable to do that. Thanks for your kind thoughts. Have a happy day.
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OK , I think we have this nailed down. You are obviously a pantheistic, allotheist, syncretistic, trickster animist. Glad we got that cleared up.
Hey! Wait a minute. That's an acronym for PASTA!
Dodgey, you ol'slyboots, you.Got me again!

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I'm sitting here on the flip side of the planet laughing like an idiot. Wish I could give you more than a star and a smiley. Clever answer, kwojcik.
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Electron-borne hoots & giggles bouncing around all over the biosphere - that's only fair-thank you so much for participating. xD
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Bwahahaha!!!
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Dodgy...u just met your match.. :-)
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Indeed, Lolo. I've been outgunned and bow to a master.
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R u both single? :-)
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Well "mincing words" is paramount to the question and mincing words is usually a tedious process! Lol....so I'll skip all that and say the following:
I interpret you as an agnostic that hums the droning melody of the atheist dirge. Now keep in mind that I am somewhat like you: an agnostic that whistles to the tune of the hope of glory. I'll take the high road, you take the low road....I'll meat you there in the end. ;-)
(If God IS [and I most certainly believe "He" IS] then He certainly knows your self for more the anyone....including you. When the wick of time is snuffed out my hope is to see and embrace you in the presence of God. I leave you with a quote from the classic rock band Kansas, "...everyone needs something to believe in...turn around, turn around, it's on the other side..."). Peace & Love

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Dk, I just gave kwojcik the award for the funniest answer. You are unchallenged for the Most Poetic award. It tells me a bit more about you than I knew, too, although for the moment I'm not quite sure what that is. Never mind.

Your point that God knows my self more than even I do comes as no surprise to me. I've spent a good portion of the past 75 years trying to work out who, and what, I am. It's a tantalising mystery that always seems to be only inches out of reach -- but out of reach it remains.

When I was younger I had a repetitive dream in which I was walking down Sydney's Martin Place wondering about the meaning of life. As I neared the bottom of the hill I'd suddenly have the answer and, as I was about to put it into words, the whole scene would spin like a kaleidoscope (hence the name of my blog) and I would find myself back at the top of the hill, starting to walk down, starting to wonder again. I never did get the answer.

I haven't had the dream in more than forty years but, at my age, I guess I might know the answer myself in a little while. Or perhaps not. ;-)
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Thank u Dodgy. Just to clarify something about myself, I'm agnostic relative to at least one mode of knowledge, not a total agnostic. This is so basically because it seems clear to me that human knowledge is "limited"....we end up running into the brick walls of of our own context. That is at least one defining element of what is necessarily "human". I suppose it goes right along with your dream! Btw, I appreciate you sharing the story of your dream. It reminds me of a dream I had maybe 12 years ago, where in the dream I was considering a completely rational "truth" that I was utterly amazed by because it was something that I knew in the dream was flat out "irrational" in earthly "regular" life, yet in the dream it was perfectly true. When I awoke and recalled the dream, the amazing "truth" had of course alluded me. To me these sorts of "almost thoughts" and inextricable yearnings point to "God"...or to nothing. The "nothing" option seems less rational and obviously void of meaning. There being God strikes me as most fitting with the limitation or "gap" in our human knowledge, since our awareness of "limited" knowledge necessarily inflects "limitless" knowledge (omniscience-God) otherwise the word "limited" looses any decipherable significance. If we had no such yearning and no such dream to know the meaning of life (like those dreams that both of us had), then it would seem certain that the notion of God would be void of meaning to the human condition, but humanity has always been "set on edge" to seek the meaning and knowledge of life. In this way God is naturally and reasonably known. As usual my comment is waxing old (trying to be poetical for "long" lol)! Life is indeed a kaleidoscope!! I will continue wonder along with you my friend. Btw, one need not be a religion centered person to join me on the "high road".
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There are elements of that statement that tax my limited reasoning capacity, DK. And, no, I'm not bullshitting. I'll have to think about it again.

Wouldn't it be interesting if the dreams were the reality and our reality was actually a dream?
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Amen. Dk. Btw...iv had a dream like that years ago. Too. Dodgy....i do think our short time on.earth is not far off from being that of a dream. :)
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Dodgy, wow, that reminds me of yet another dream! My philosophy professor in college told of a dream he had where in the dream he realized he was in a dream and he tried to convince the others around him that they were all in a dream. He tried the "pinch me" test (and whatever else), but he was unable to convince them that he was right. Lol
I do feel like there are elements of the experience of life that indicate a transient and temporal condition to this life. Regardless of "which" is "real" or not, they both are experienced by us all and I submit that can not be the source of what comes to us in our experience, but only some sort of "responder" and "thinker" to it. The source of "what" comes to us to many of us is God (absolute-ultimate, the reality that makes our finite-temporal aspect discernible as such).
.....yes, wether u agree or understand or not, it is a mentally taxing path to tread.... partly it's how my mind works and partly it's how my mind is provoked by doubt. I'm sure your mind is STILL well capable of that path! ;-)
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Lolo, well it may as well be a dream right now. Logically either experience is a real experience (otherwise we spin down an endless regression of self contradiction.....yuck that's no fun! Lol)
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Part of my problem is lack of formal education (two years of high school, and eve those not completed) and I find myself struggling when I have to reason through something of this nature.

I've had the opportunity, for several reasons, to experience some unusual things -- things which defy a rational explanation -- yet I have no doubt about them.

Whether there's an energy that some people call God, and some personalize in various ways, is beyond me, but my opposition to religion is implacable. I just can't see any way the gods of organized religion can be validated, and I don't expect that I ever will.

And, to add to my grief, the spell-checker on this site doesn't recognise Australian spelling and I find myself intimidated into using zees instead of esses. Dagnabbit!
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Re your other remark: all I can say is thank goodness for Descartes.
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Dodgy,
Indeed! Although much of modern agnostic-atheist thought has balked at Descartes' dualism (Cartesianism) that incidentally...and perhaps that a little ironic. As far as education goes, I think what matters is that "yearning" and wondering we have turns to a life journey....for me I'm a student till the day I die (or least till I can seek truth). I have 6+ years of full time college...woopdie doo! (note sarcasm). I'm not putting formal education down, however i can't claim it means I have more shall I say "existential" knowledge then anyone else. Also, with more knowledge self-pride is easy to follow!...."student beware" lol
I must now attend to my wonderful wife and bid u good night. Zzzzzz (snore)....
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Farewell, DK. Nice chatting.
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You don't believe there is a God. Do you believe there are any gods? If not, you're a true atheist, unless you're lying.

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Would I lie to you, Yirmeyahu? It's not a serious question but just a way of poking fun at those Christians who are so fond of saying, "But he's not a TRUE Christian. He doesn't believe as I do." It came up quite a lot in the past week so I thought I'd see if there's a parallel for non-believers.

No, I don't believe there are any gods except those we create ourselves.

I see you've been a member for nearly two years. I'm surprised we haven't bumped into each other before this.
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Well blow me down!!....it's been a while since I've seem u on here! Although I'm only on in spurts and may have missed some of your answers....
My FB app doesn't work so I haven't connected with u there either :/
U start a doctoral program yet? Your health still kickin' your tail? Anyways, it's nice to see some activity from ya. God bless u :-)
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My hint of an accusation of lying was more geared towards those who say they are Christian, say others aren't true Christians, yet refuse to live the message of the Bible.
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Writing my thesis this term David. Have applications in to 3 PhD programs and one MDiv. Health has improved, though tail tends to still be kicked. Haven't been on here but a couple times a month.
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Here's a simple test to see if you're a true atheist. It consists of two questions:
1) Exactly how many hairs are on the back of a full-grown male Siberian yak's neck?
2) What is the exact combined weight of the sand on all the beaches of all the Hawaiian Islands?
Chances are, you have no idea. The purpose of this test is to show that there's a few things that you don't know. An atheist is, basically, a person who says "God doesn't exist." This is an absolute statement. Now, to prove that something doesn't exist, you will either have to be omniscient (all-knowing) or omnipresent (be everywhere at once).

For example: If I were to make the absolute statement "There is no gold in China," I would have to have complete knowledge of China. I would have to know about every temple, every rock, and every tooth filling in China. If just one speck of gold was found in China, my statement then becomes false. (See Comments)

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For an atheist to say "God doesn't exist," he would have to have complete knowledge of the universe. Since the human mind is incapable of possessing so much information, a more accurate statement would be "With the knowledge I posses, I have come to the conclusion that God doesn't exist. However, since I am no omniscient, I can not positively say that there is no such thing as God. In other words, I don't know." But then, you're not an atheist. Because atheists say "God doesn't exist." You're an agnostic. Agnostics say "I don't know."

For the Kingdom! - TheSoldierforGod
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Mr Soldier, that's very good. Much better than the average response.

I won't attempt to refute your arguments for a couple of reasons. In the first place I liked your combination of yak hair and sand, and in the second the question was only a fun attempt to satirise those zealots who claim to be "true" Christians while assuming that those of other denominations are not.

To be honest I feel more comfortable as an agnostic than an atheist because while there's no apparent logical reason for believing in a Creator there are quite a few things I don't know ... and you've just added two more that I'd never considered. :-)
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BTW I just read your profile page. How on earth do you WRITE wordless drama?
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Haha, thanks.

And wordless drama. It's basically using body language to communicate a message rather than doing it verbally. It's usually done with music because it can usually better express the mood of a certain scene. I've even done a couple where you would even mouth the lyrics of a song, while using bodily expressions. Although I've never seen one without music, I do believe that it can be done.

As for writing it, well, to be honest, I'm not the best at writing it down. I can see everything that needs to be done in my head, but writing it on paper is a little difficult for me. I do better just showing everyone what needs to be done. Basically, you would write down where they need to be, what expressions they need to show, ect. If they've had a life, they should know how to do what you're trying to tell them, but it is easier to show them. :)
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My imagination works in words, I'd love to have your ability to visualise things.

I once saw a short French film named "Le Morte du Rat" which was wordless.

Man on production line watching pretty girl. Stuffs up line, gets fired. Goes home, snarls at wife. Wife snarls at son. Son kicks dog. Dog chases cat. Cat kills rat. And all because this guy wasn't paying attention to his job.
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SoldierforGod - allow me if you will, to point out that you have a poor understanding of what atheism is.

It's the exact opposite of what you say. Atheism is the rejection of unfounded belief and dogma. Atheists reject the lot of it. Good for them, I say!
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John, I fail to see how this contradicts what I said.
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Wow Doz - I'm pooped out reading all this. I was trying to find the question where in a comment you talked about inviting the door ringer into your home. Did you ask me the question of who I thought harassed who? If so, I would say neither, unless you asked the group to no longer contact you, to which I would say that group. :o)

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Hi Win. It took me a while to find it but the question you're talking about is here: http://www.ask.com/answers/294865541/do-you-get-religiously-harassed-in-your-life

My answer, while truthful, wasn't intended to be taken seriously. Religious door-knockers are fairly rare in my community. The only visit that gave me pause was from a pair of Mormons who, when I knocked them back, said, "But aren't you a friend of Keith So-and-So." He was a guy I knew slightly but I assured them that I'd never told him it was OK to send me any visitors. When I saw him again he denied having sent them but I tore a strip off him anyway. It's bad enough sending them without him lying about it. I was polite to the Mormons, though. They didn't realise they were walking into hostile territory.
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No seriousness taken - especially from you. Glad you put your so-and-so friend in his place.
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Smiles, Win.
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these r ur beliefs?
would u mind plz waking up?
no? so, dream on!

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On the basis that everybody who answers one of my questions gets a star, I'll give you one, Phoenix. Thanks for sharing your wisdom.
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Oh my majesty,
thnx 4 ur denotion. that's so kind of you. I don't know how to pay u back(!).
I just prefer to be separated from u n all Agnostics.
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Your privilege, Phoenix. When you try to be offensive you have to expect curt answers. Sorry I couldn't respond more effectively but your profile page doesn't say much about you.
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Dodgy, atheism is like golf. After a few years of playing, you might think of yourself as a golfer, but there's lots of things you still have to go through. How best to get out of the sand, how to compensate for the wind.

Atheism is just like that. Long after you have declared yourself an atheist, questions will come up in your mind, like, why is everybody so sure I'm wrong, and why do I find myself praying when someone close to me is in danger?

You have to go through all these questions, and answer them in your mind, before you really, really become a true atheist.

I declared my atheism at a relatively young age - in my teens, and since then have gone through many periods of doubt. But, always I come to the same conclusions - strengthened by the doubt.

So, should you live another 20 years, and I sincerely hope you do, I think you will sort this out for yourself. Or not, in which case, maybe you were never meant to be an atheist at all.

Maybe Jesus, had he lived, would have become the first atheist... What a difference THAT would have made to the Bible!

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What a difference indeed, John. You know, for the son of a Ghent butcher, you're pretty smart.

I wonder if you're related to John o'Groats. Now there's a mountain that could do some damage ... especially if you dropped it on the Isle of Lewis.

Nice to hear from you.
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Now look here, Duffy, we will get along much better if you DON'T accuse me of being the son of a Ghent butcher. You know how mad that makes me! :)) Nice to be here, if only for a short while...

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I'll point a few people your way as they turn up. You'll enjoy them. Loved the "clue" on your profile page.
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... and a mountain dropped on the environs of Sydney could give you a nasty headache... :)) It's ok, I wouldn't really drop a mountain on you, unless of course, we hear more of this 'Ghent butcher' stuff....
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Sorry, your dukeship. It won't happen again. I'd hate to lose the opera house and the harbour bridge in one fell swoop.
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Yeah, we long-dead men of history are a touchy lot. Especially about our antecedents..
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I'd heard of JoG, of course, but didn't really know who he was. Had to look him up. A Plantagenet, eh? I always knew there was something noble about you, even if you do live in the colonies.
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Hallo SM!

Are we enjoying retirement?
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Recognized ya right away ;0)
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It's nice to meet you. I'm fairly new here. If the OzMan says, "this will be interesting," I'm all in!
If you'll call me Happy, I won't call you the son of a Ghent butcher.... whatever that means. O.o
Welcome back!
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Hey Dozy! I looked him up too. Then it dawned on me. I'd read about him! Man 'o man! Was college that long ago?!?! ....sigh....
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@Happy: John's name is an Old English form of John of Ghent and his detractors said that his father wasn't a Plantagenet but a Ghentish butcher. It always sent him into a rage.
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Yep! I remembered when I looked it up. It just took awhile to clear the cobwebs.

Now for that gnarly web in my coat closet. I think a hobbit is trying to wriggle free. I hate housework...
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Yos? Is that you? You recognized me? What gave me away, my after-shave?

Happy2BeHere2 - I guess you know then, that John O'Gaunt was the progenitor of the Tudors - Henry the Vlll and all that. Just about every King or Queen after the Plantagenets (ended with Richard lV who they just dug up,) up to but not including the current lot, had ole John O'Gaunt in their family tree. So, me being a modest sort of fellow, as Duffy can attest, I thought I'd borrow his name. Of course, he was a Lancastrian and I am most definitely not! But, close enough I guess..
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You don't need aftershave, your Dukeliness. It's your unique style of banter that does it.
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Ok... that's from memory. I just had this truly horrible thought that I should have rechecked it before publishing it under my assumed name...
Too late. I'm sure everybody will let me know if I'm wrong... :))
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They had some grand old names, those English royals. Plantagenet, Tudor, Pendragon, (Peandragon??). You never hear of any of 'em called Dodgy, do you?
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Lol. Good ole Modest John! Glad you were dug up too. :) Welcome back!

Hey wait. I seem to recall requesting you address me as Happy. (Happy2BeHere2 is waaaay to formal among friends, even new ones.) So the deal was, you son of a ... Oh, just call me Happy.

@Dozy. Thank you so much for the introduction!
@John. This is gonna be great!
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John, you do know I was going to say Ghent butcher, right?
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Salad...it was the moldy apples.......I can smell 'em all the way down here....
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Moldy apples! I can see them through the piles and piles of snow we have all the way up here!
Wilt not, John of Gaunt! We always need a salad at the table.
I pressed 'follow' and was heading to the profile stuff when I got interrupted.
If I had seen the hints I would have known yesterday that you were back! I missed out on the whole conversation. Ugh!
This is great news! Made my morning. Now I'm off to whip those whippersnappers into shape.

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Whip whip whip......
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Yes Happy, he would get that. You are making such a great contribution.
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Yos - that IS my after-shave. 'Mouldy Apple' - It's all the rage in Europe - hence the spelling.

Happy - I will be pleased to call you Happy. Happy now? :))

Rathkeale - I hope you will not be disappointed. I really just 'popped in' to see what Duffy was up to... :))

Talking about Duffy - I didn't see any Dodgy's in the list of royal surnames, but all royals are Duffers, so it's close...

By the way, anybody interested in some horse-meat labeled as beef? My dad has a great deal on it right now...
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Duffer? DUFFER? Hrrumph! And such name calling from the son of a provincial sausage maker. May your haggis be full of bones.
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Come join me in agnostic land...the waters just fine wink

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You're probably right, Lynne. It wasn't a real question, of course. I was just pulling faces at those people who think of themselves as true Christians while throwing their fellow-believers onto the same dung heap as we non-believers.

I tried to pick up all my old contacts when I came back but I missed you somehow. I'm glad you found me. (I left a message on your other comment.)
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I'm only on every once in a while now...busy busy busy! I left for a while when I moved and when I came back, a lot of the old crew was gone. Glad I found you!
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You can belive in what ever you want

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Why, thank you sir.
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It sounds like you are searching and looking for answers to life's questions.

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It sounds as though you're right, ILMD, although this particular question was tongue-in-cheek. I was really attempting to take the mickey out of those born-agains who consider that people who don't think exactly as they do are not "true Christians".

On the other hand, my question about Mind/body/spirit was definitely part of my quest, and I've been on that particular search for a very long time.
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No, I don't think you are a true atheist.
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Sometimes I wonder 8<{
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What is a mickey? You are British, right? Because you spelled the word favorite like favourite before.
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Puhleeze! I'm a colonial like you but my colony is on the flip side of the planet. Australia.

And taking the mickey is certainly a British term. Means pulling soebody's leg, having a little fun at their expense.
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I have a question for you. Bet you don't know what a bubbler is. And don't google it.
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Sure I do. We have them in Oz, too, though I don't think I've heard the term used in many years. Also called a water fountain or even a water bubbler.

My mother used to warn me against drinking from bubblers because "you never know who's been using them". She was probably afraid I'd get a dose of the collywobbles, or worse. You can Google it if you like. :)

Thanks for following me, I think. I just went through the list of those other people you're following and can't help but admire your selection. Most of them are pretty outspoken atheists. I'll certainly follow you back when you widen your scope of Q&A but I don't want to spend my time squabbling with you.
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I remember some of those because I used to be on this site around 9 months ago. The atheists were nicer to me than the religious people. They all told me I was going to Hell. I don't think I am going to stay on this site anyway. I am just visiting for awhile.

I didn't know that they used the term bubbler in Australia. They do in Wisconsin and New York.
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maybe a true agnostic

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Maybe you're right. I was very tongue in cheek with this one. It's just a tease at all those people who claim to be "true Christians" while those who belong to a different denomination or church are not "true". Silly, isn't it?

Yeah, agnostic describes me best but I've had some funny experiences.
Thanks for answering.
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