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When some of us say we're ok with gay marriage,are we being honest with ourselves?, or are we just being politically correct.Im guilty.

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I'm honestly ok with it. Do I want to watch gays groping in public? No, but I don't want to see straights doing it either.

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I'm being honest. It's something that should be legal, and I see no reason that it's not.

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Religion in the government, and prejudice against gay people.
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Jackie – I think religion in the government is okay as long as it's ideal fully for God. Regarding "prejudice": I don't support homosexual rights but I also don't condemn homosexual people. That's not prejudice.
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Well why don't you support homosexual rights? Because of religion, correct? Homosexuals are still humans, regardless of whether you condemn their right to be with the same gender or not. Is a man raping or murdering when he decides to marry the love of his life, another man? I don't see what there is to condemn, unless you are letting religion cloud the issue. And I'm pretty sure America is a place where religious freedom is practiced.
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We aren't a Theocracy, so there should be no religion in government.
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I'm not good with religious definitions and I'm not exactly sure what a religion is. But I do believe in God.
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It doesn't make me happy to hurt others' feelings but I don't believe biological homosexuality exists. There have been no scientific studies directly showing existence of it. I've heard there are more feminine hormones running through some homosexual people's bodies, but that can also be considered a delusion. I believe homosexuality is completely mental.
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There are 1500 species that exhibit homosexual behavior, including homosexual intercourse.
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Brethon – Christianity isn't limited to a theocracy.
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Doesn't matter, your beliefs cannot be part of the law, if we're going on the constitution.
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Brethon – I wonder how long it took for that study to be fulfilled. Who knows how long those animals were watched. Any way, dogs also do that with human legs.
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I don't believe my beliefs should be part of the law, but I appreciate it when they're governed by a believer in the name of God.
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It doesn't matter how long, because if it's seen, then it's natural.
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Brethon – I've also seen a teleporting dog but I have no biological premise. If I watched nature long enough, I could find 1,500 teleporting dogs.
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Where did you see a teleporting dog? Is it a coincidence? Legitimate coitus is evidence that a species has homosexual tendencies. http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx
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My teleporting dog theory is a pun on the homosexual theory. I'm saying if you watch nature long enough you can find anything. Yes, I'm sure animals commit what humans would consider homosexual acts; and they also roll in dirt and poop where they sleep. Should we take on those behaviors, too?
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My teleporting dog theory is a pun on the homosexuality theory. I'm saying if you watch nature long enough you can find anything. Animals commit (what humans would consider) homosexual acts. They also roll in dirt, they poop where they sleep, and kill other animals. They aren't much of role models.
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Sorry, take away the last "of". Improper grammar. :(
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I'm really okay with it. Being completely honest with myself and others. I couldn't care less about who marries who... Why should I?

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Exactly. It doesn't bother you.
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to be honest i thought it was just awkward to watch two people of the same sex be together that way. but then i learned about it and came to accept it. and now, it's normal, to me at least

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Yup yup yup! This is a personal matter. It has nothing to with me.
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Politically correct?! How about basic equality for all human beings, regardless of gender, skin color, social class, or ethnicity?

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Nope. No equality based on social class. Down with poor people. Wait, I'm poor. Down with poorer people.
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Political correctness , is the belief in rights of all the groups you listed.i believe and vote for those rights, regardless of my personal feelings, that was my point.
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Ninja, that's the question , do you
Put equality, before personal or religious beliefs in a political environment . I used gay marriage as example because its hot, and current topic.
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I'm not asking for opinions on gay marriage , I'm getting too many answers based on feelings about gay sex and marriage. That was not my question, thank you for not reading that into it.
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I don't understand why somebody against it would say that they are for it. Just to make polite conversation? I loved it around a year ago when one of the first gay couples to marry announced that they were getting a divorce. Yeah, homosexuals are soooo different than straight people.

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Afraid of what others think.
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Now that your answer is edited, that comment can be seen as rude. But I meant nothing wrong with it.
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It's all good. I didn't take it as rude.
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I suspected these answers, my point is, regardless of our personal feelings, we have the responsibility to vote for the rights of others, that's what I would always do. I can't help the way my mind works , anymore than a gay person can, butcivil rights is not about how we feel personally, it's about doing the right thing for everyone. Don't judge by words, judge by deeds. Free will means that what I think in my mind is my business. How I act out, is everyone's business. If its the right thing to do, I have the strength to put personal feelings aside and do it. And I want politicians to take that message from me and others like me.
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If I were afraid of what others think, I would not have been honest in my questioning. That remark was incorrect.
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But you have the right to your opinion. And I respect your rights.
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Sorry for judging you, Olpaint. You have good replies, you know how to make people think.
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Newbuddah, thank you for answering the question I asked. Too many are off subject, telling about how people's sexual preference is no ones business. I know and agree with that, but it was not my question. I don't know where it's coming from .gay marriage is not all about sex. They live the same lives that we do. Sex is an important but small part of marriage. Gays want more than sex in there relationships. And I think they should have it. Regardless of my personal beliefs.
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The majority are being PC, & it's the same case with illegal aliens. I've never seen an interview where a person said I think that they should be convicted of committing a crime & sent home because they're committing an illegal act. I've also never seen a poll that came close to even 50% of those polled saying an open door policy is great. I've seen 75% & greater that say it's illegal, they shouldn't be here.

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Nice that you know what the majority think. As for polls, find one that isn't worded in a biased way first.
Am I ok with everyone coming here illegally? No. Am I ok with young people brought here as children getting a path to citizenship? Yes.
Am I ok with gays having the same legal rights as myself? Yes. Am I ok with public displays of bedroom behavior? No, not from gays or straights.
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If I were gay, I'd want rights. Simple as that.

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I could care less if gays get married. They are human beings just like the rest of us.

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And they deserve their rights
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This is the exact opposite of "coming out of the closet". Lol. (Sorry, had to say it.) Just be honest with yourself and others and all will be at best.

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I'm always honest with myself, but I still vote for human rights
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Olpaint, your question can be interpreted two ways so I'll ask: do you support homosexual marriage, or not?
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Define "OK". Personally, I don't approve of it, so in that way I'm not OK with it. It goes against my personal moral and spiritual code. HOWEVER, I don't believe it's possible to make a case against gay marriage legally, so as far as the legal code, I'm "OK" with it. Everyone has to follow his own convictions, and I am not going to sit and judge two gay people for getting married, whether or not I agree with the practice personally. So I wouldn't say my opinion is just being "politically correct", rather, I have two unique opinions from two unique perspectives, yet both are honest. Now if I said I was OK with gay marriage while secretly wishing for a constitutional amendment to outlaw it, that would be a completely different story.

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Well said, and understood
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When I say ok I mean that I wouldn't deny it as a human and civil right. Although I wouldn't promote it, nor would I try to ban it , I would vote in favor because I believe in freedom. And gay rights hurts no one .

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I think its mainly a legal issue, rather than a question of moral. Marriage has solid legal implications regarding tax, family law and such. What people do in their bedroom is something else, and nobodies business in my opinion. The legal issues do concern the entire society and have to be considered.

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Just like men and women, homosexuals have one night stands, and life long partners. Why should they keep love in the bedroom, if we don't have to?
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Jackie – My opinion regarding that has been explained in another post. Hope there are no hard feelings.
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Not at all, it's good to have a debate once in a while!
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@Ninja Jackie: I dont care if people do it in the bedroom or in their front garden, or their gender combination. What I'm saying is that marriage is more than a ceremonial thing, or statement about the relationship. And I mean a legally valid marriage, not a mock up show thing. That is what the debate is really about - taxation, legal status of children, heritage rights ect, things that can cause a lot of grief. And even if I can understand the demands of gay couples, I think we need to be careful with those issues.
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I don't see the difference with taxation, children, heritage....
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Those laws were made for families - husband, wife, children. To exted this to gay couples means opening a box that perhaps cant be closed again. Today we grant those rights to gay couples - and then? Tomorrow perhaps someone says he loves his rose bush so much he wants to marry it - what you gonna tell him then? That he is a sick weirdo and should go get lost? So he is a the same point the gays were 50 years ago then. See what I mean? Everybody has the right to have emotions the way he/she wishes - the law side of the marriage is a entirely different subject.
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Beatminister – Completely agreed, and nicely conveyed on your part. No offense to Jackie.
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How can you compare loving a rose bush and raising a family with it, to loving another human and raising a family with them. You clearly are not using common sense, so I'm now ignoring you. Go out and learn something.
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Finally,someone has considered the problems that have to be dealt with, especially with children. We lived next door to a female couple with 5 children. My grandchildren went to school with them. My youngest grandchild would come home crying because of the treatment of her best friend. She actually fought for her friend, on several occasions. I have seen what these children went through. That's why I have such strong personal views. I can't justify my feelings, but I can't erase them. The possibility of children concerns me. The parents of these children were good friends , and neighbors .





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Oh, so you decide who's feelings are acceptable and which aint... well, thats exactly what I'm trying to say. But go on, ignore me if you want.
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@olpaint70: Yes, that is a sad aspect of the whole issue, but it's caused by the still widespread intolerance among the people. Changing laws wont change that anyway, as we have experienced in the relations between black and white. That kind of thing takes a long time to change. Generations, probably.
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Best minister, the key concept here is two consenting adults... I don't believe a rose bush meats that requirement
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Boo – What he's saying is people just go further and further from society's original base.
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Thanks MadMarcus, indeed. And also that marriage is more than a moral issue. People can (and do) live together without a marriage certificate, hetero or gay or whatever. And they can have a wedding ceremony with rings and cake and all, who should deny that to them. But whats demanded now is a legal status equal to what is granted to the traditional family. Not to long ago a legal gay marriage was viewed with the same refusal than my example with the rose bush is now. But how are we supposed to judge about feelings of a person, and what feelings are valid enough to justify a legal marriage or not? By the publicly accepted opinion? Thats exactly how it worked in the past, and why gays were beaten up and colored had to sit in the back of the bus. So either the law stays as it was, or we will see a continued debate of who is qualified for marriage and the rights connected to it.
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Anyone in love with a bush, or an old gym shoe, or even a bike seat, is probably just in for the sex. Just a little fun, I do get your point.
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I'm totally in support of gay marriage and I don't go with being "politically" correct.

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Morning Candy, hope your doing well!
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Good morning, Candybar! How are you?
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Lady Wood – You're everywhere today. Quite the social butterfly. :) Or should I say teleporter...
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Ladywood, Marcus and Dustee. You're all great friends. Marcus, thanks for not judging me.
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Dustee – Indeed. :P
Lady Wood – What does that mean?
Candybar – Judging isn't my job. :)
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Thank you, that's all I was asking. I wish others would read what's in front of them.
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I'm honest in saying I don't have a problem with it.

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That's what I was asking.
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legal adults...legal marriage...I'm happy for all who find love...

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Thanks for a simple answer to a simple question.
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I think that those of us who feel a little uneasy about it realize that it's not American to deny life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to all under our union.

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Richard – And it's not American to decide someone their American lifestyle.
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For it,correct or not. What does it hurt? The problem is people see gay marriage as gay sex. Do you think about the couple at the heterosexual weddings you attend having sex? Might be scarier.

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Again I never asked anyone's opinion on gay sex, my question is, I'll put in in short form , do you think most people except things based on how they feel personally, or what they think is right. It's basically a question on being honest to ones self . I'm not looking for opinions on gay marriage or gay sex. Most everyone is throwing the sex thing around. That's not what I care about, that's not what I asked about.


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oO sorry, didn't mean to get you pissed. : ) In the" short form," I'm for it regardless of others influence , opinions, on site, off site,religion, race, height, weight, male, female, in a box, with a fox, in a house, with a mouse, I always support gay marriage. Hope this time helped. : )
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I'm not angry, I'm merely frustrated, I'm getting opinions on gay marriage, and gay sex, I should have made it clear that I was using gay marriage as an example, my question is about supporting something based on only your own personal beliefs or on the civil rights of others. I'm only one person and I won't challenge someone's rights based on my personal feelings. Freedom is freedom for all
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I did answer in the first sentence. My views stay the same no matter the situation, so I'm not guilty. : )
The second sentence was my agreeing with you... It's not about sex, but people seem to make it so.
I guess I didn't articulate, it was confusing, but I understood what you asked. : )
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I take the position that what consenting adults do in private is nobodies business but their own. I don't know if that's politically correct or not & don't care either way. Taking an unseemly interest in other people's s3x lives OUGHT to be incorrect, but good luck with that.

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I have no interest in the sex life of any one, I didn't ask that. I simply asked do you think people except things based on personal feelings or what's considered to be right. Everyone's defending sexual preference, I didn't ask about that.it seems more people are concerned with the sex part, than personal feelings versus voting for what's right.
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Hi, olpaint - I apologize for any misunderstanding. Since I don' t suppose that questions asked are directed at me personally, I rarely direct my answers at the questioner personally - just offer my thoughts on the subject in general and sometimes my response is actually directed at some of the other answers. You'll find that is often the case - otherwise, there would just be a lot of yes or no answers. There is a real art to asking questions on this site - one that I haven't perfected, for sure. Or answers either - I'll try again - Yes, I am fine with same sex marriage - honestly. And if an issue is put to a vote, I try to go with general principles, like equality & liberty, & justice - rather than my personal biases. A difficult task, to be sure.
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Kwojcik, I'm afraid I didn't word the question very clearly. This whole mess is due to my wording of the question. Don't give up on me. I just have to be more diligent in the future.



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No worries, olpaint. I think you're doing great - look at all the responses you got! In fact, I think I'll follow you, if that's ok. I'm newish here myself and just figuring it out - I've realized that timing is an issue - questions go by so fast,it's easy to miss some interesting ones and for the people you'd most be interested in hearing from to miss yours. I'm on the west coast & always seem to be late to the party. That's where connections come in handy.Hang in there - your voice is needed & welcome.Cheers!
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Striking down bans on same-sex marriage is on par with the striking down of bans on interracial marriage in 1967. And is any socially responsible adult saying they are only being politically correct when they say interracial couples should be allowed to marry? I doubt it. There is absolutely no evidence that society will be harmed by same-sex marriage. It has already been happening for some time in various countries and even in some of our own states, and there has been no downside. If same-sex marriage does no harm, why ban it? Freedom should be the default--not restrictions.

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Some beliefs and Christians such as myself believe homosexuality destroys countries such as Sodom, Gomorrah, Rome and Afghanistan (3rd world).
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Cal, I've received notifications that you've commented somewhere but I can't find it.
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@MadMarcus: Both of us commented to someone whose answer was simply "Sin". I'm pretty sure it was here, but I can't find it now.
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Oh I see. Hope your day is well!
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Any better and I would be guilty of something. Hope you are well, too.
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That sounds happy. LOL. What's up?
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Back to the business at hand: In response to your initial comment above, Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because God's angels were not treated hospitably. Rome fell because it over extended itself in wars and the government became corrupt. Not sure about the reference to Afghanistan. Anyway, there are no modern day examples I know of that indicate that same-sex marriage has placed, or will place, a burden on society.
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I vote for human rights in all areas, my personal feelings are always subject to error, so I never allow them to interfere with my vote for human rights. We should always vote for what's best for the people.
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@Olpaint: You are right. We have a history in the country to expanding rights rather than diminishing them. The default should be freedom unless that freedom should be restricted to prevent some clear and present danger. There is no indication of any such clear and present danger associated with same-sex marriage. Thinking same-sex marriage is "icky" is NOT a clear and present danger.
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Cal – What do you mean about angels and hospitality?
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Rome fell because it over extended itself in wars and their government became corrupt, yes. And all that happened as God's way of letting them fall. Believe it or not, Afghanistan is full of homosexual people. And I'm only referring to homosexuality because it's on subject; frankly no country that isn't with God is doing poorly right now.
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Olpaint – Right. But we all have different ideas about what's right for the people.
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@MadMarcus: Here are two articles dealing with Sodom and Gomorrah:

http://allfaith.com/Grace/sodomA.html - This one makes the case that the offense was lack of hospitality and provides scriptural evidence--including the words of Jesus in Matthew 10:11-15.

http://www.str.org/site/News2?id=5702 - This one refutes the notion by modern biblical scholars that the offense was lack of hospitality. However, having given it a through reading--and it is well referenced and better written than the other--the author continually jumps to the conclusion that the various references to "gross immorality", "sensual conduct of unprincipled men", and "strange flesh" ignores the Mosaic strictures against bestiality, and other abominations related to heterosexual conduct. It shows he has a bias against homosexuality by projecting that such a horrible offense would simply have to be homosexuality.

Anyway, they both make for interesting reading while approaching the subject from distinctly different angles.

Haven't read anything about homosexuals in Afghanistan execept that their lives are in danger due to Sharia Law.

As to the comment about countries not with God, all I can say is that third world countries are fairing the worst, and they generally have severe punishments for homosexuality. The western world is more tolerant and also are fairing quite well--all things considered.
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Sorry. Bad choice of words on my part what's fair for the people, as in free to live as you want, while harming no one
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Cal... I'm so tired of reading today. Did you spend a lot of time trying to find those articles?
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My brother was stationed in Afghanistan and he says all the men there are gay.
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I know most third world countries are intolerant of homosexuality. What I said was it's not JUST homosexuality that destroys countries; it's stepping away from God that does. Homosexuality support is just another step.
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@MadMarcus: So I thought originally you were giving examples of how countries are harmed by tolerance for homosexuality. Now it appears that it is just back to homosexuality is sin and there's no evidence that tolerance for homosexuality is harmful. Inn fact, you have presented evidence that being intolerant of homosexuals results in harm to countries. Is that right?
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Not at all. Supporting homosexual marriage is ONE thing that destroys countries, that ONE thing being amongst many other things which all fall under the category of stepping away from God. If that's still confusing I'll just say homosexuality is one thing that destroys countries.
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I guess I'm looking for the evidence. Canada has had same-sex marriage for awhile, but I don't see them as a hot bed of iniquity.
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Maybe time hasn't gone on long enough.
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About Sodom and Gomorrah, I have no idea what you mean by "they lacked hospitality for angels" or whatever you said; but the point is they were destroyed as non-Christian cities.
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Yes, they were non-Christian. The demise of Sodom and Gomorrah would have predated Jesus by about 2,000 years. According to biblical accounts, those two city-states were liberated by a military campaign waged by Abraham which put them under Judaic rule. A few years later is when their destruction supposedly took place.

As to the comment about lack of hospitality, read through either of the two links I supplied. The second of the two contains the following:
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...most consistent with "modern scholarship" since 1955 [is that] Lot was violating the custom of Sodom...by entertaining unknown guests within the city walls at night without obtaining the permission of the elders of the city. When the men of Sodom gathered around to demand that the strangers be brought out to them, that they might know them, they meant no more than to know who they were, and the city was consequently destroyed not for sexual immorality, but for the sin of inhospitality to strangers.
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Regarding Sodom, just read Genesis 19:5. According to my Bible, the men of Sodom wanted to know the angels "carnally". And in case you're skeptical, Genesis 19:1-5 is good for proof of the context.
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I'm having trouble finding any verses about Gomorrah anywhere so I'll get back to you on that.
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I can see what you meant about Canada but I don't believe a country will explode as soon as homosexual marriage is legalized. Lol. It takes a long time for a society to fall away from God.
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@MadMarcus: It depends on which translation you read as to whether the men wanted to interrogate them or sodomize them. However, it was a custom at that time, as it is now in some of the more barbaric military campaigns and in prisons, that sodomy is used as a tool to show dominance or disrespect for the submissive. That is not an act by homosexuals. That is heterosexual men engaging in an act of asserting power as is all rape.

As to countries falling away, perhaps the those critics of the secular Constitution in 1787 were right that God would destroy this nation without paying him homage. Perhaps we haven't waited long enough?
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How can you say sodomy isn't sexual.
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What are you trying to say in your second paragraph?
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Sodomy, in the context of heterosexual men performing that act on other men, is an act of violence and domination. Sodomy performed on any unwilling victim is rape. In fact, if you research the psychological issues regarding any kind of rape, you will find it is not so much about sex as it is about domination.

Sorry about the last paragraph. I thought I was referring to one of my previous posts in this thread, but it was actually my first comment under ynp.214's answer below.
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Saying male on male sodomy isn't homosexual because it's only about domination is like saying lighting a building on fire isn't property damage because it's only for the heat.
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Haha. That's okay.
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On another subject, are you into psychology?
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My points will fall on deaf ears if one does not accept the concept of sexual orientation. When men who have raped other men or who have been raped by other men, they do not continue to desire acts of sodomy upon their release. That is because they are, for the most part, heterosexuals and they will continue to behave as heterosexuals because that is their true nature. However, a homosexual man will be just as violated by an act of rape as any other person. Again, do your research. Rape is not sex.
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Sorry to comment thrice but even if you don't agree that make on make sodomy isn't homosexual, it's still against God to perform sodomy on angels, and therefor it's still sin. And like I said before, it's not only homosexuality that destroys societies but sin in general.
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Fourth comment, I really apologize... I meant male on male, not make on make.
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Rape is still sexUAL.
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If the words were "make on make" I apparently read it as "male on male", so no apology necessary.

As to being into psychology, I wouldn't say I'm necessarily into it, but it is a reality. Kind of like I am, unfortunately, not into economics, but that doesn't change its reality and its impact of all our lives.
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I'm guessing this subject is too off color because my comments are being removed. I'll just finish by saying even though I don't agree with you, you have a great sense of logic.
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(Re. psychology) I know what you mean. I feel the same about economics; arguing it is much more fun than studying it. Lol.
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Ain't that the truth about economics. My father got a doctorate in economics. I absolutely missed that gene.

We may have pretty well expended this topic, so I am going to move on. Have a great day, "MadMax".
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You too, Cal.
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Be honest with you I'm not okay with it but who am i to Judge anybody But God .And God Say No and He will Judge!

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Ppl used the color of our skin to justify killing us and keeping our ppl held back. Some of those same ppl even used the holy bible to back up their evil. Now u have a chance to put your personal beliefs aside for the sack of progress.
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It depends. People differ in opinions. I personally have no problem with people doing it, even though I myself would never do it.

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You've already received excellent responses regarding the need for equal rights for all, so I'll address the other point you bring up. While online I'm much more honest about my views then I am in person, in the real world I'm very stoic and reserved, I don't go around telling everyone I'm an atheist or the like, if I'm asked to sign a petition promoting gay marriage I'll sign it, but I won't stand on the side of the road holding a sign. I think most of us here are much the same when it comes to how we express our opinions online vs real world.

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Well said Calu.
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Thanks Yosi....Top-o-the morn'n to ya =)
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Absolutely, Cal.
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Thanks Marcus.
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You described me as well (although I am not adverse to holding a protest sign now and then) :-)
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CalTex, I'll pick you up on the way to Calu's bar and we can hang out and rejoice that someday soon everyone will have the same rights we enjoy!!!
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Oh and top-o-the-morning to ya too Calu!
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Yes, the rounds will be on the house :)
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Sounds goo to me!
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Goo, good--whatever.
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LOL! I don't serve goo anymore, it never caught on....... I don't understand why :/
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I want a Bloody Mary -- aw but you already knew that.....
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I've already increased the par on my "The Works" order ;)
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Then I will feel right at home!!!!

Okay I am at work and I need to get back to doing my job. Ttyl!
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Great answer
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Finally,someone answered the question I asked instead of giving a lecture on privacy in ones bedroom, that was not my question. Seems too many think gay marriage is just about sex.
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I think you just needed to flip your question, you should have started with the "Are you honest....." part and then used an example. You still would have gotten people strongly motivated on what ever example you gave, but would have received more feedback on the self honesty vs public opinion issue.
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@Olpaint: Speaking as a gay rights activist for about 10 years, you have hit on the number one obstacle to people understanding this issue--on both sides of the debate. Sexual orientation goes far beyond sex acts. Many do not (or choose not to) understand the difference between sexual behavior and sexual orientation. Homosexuality is NOT just about sexual behavior just as my heterosexuality is not defined by sexual behavior. My sexual orientation is at the very core of my being. It is an integral part of who I am. It affects how I process through the myriad of decisions I make on a daily basis--most of which have nothing to do with sexual expression. Same-sex orientation is no different. Gay rights is not about sex acts. It is about accepting people as they are and allowing them to be accepted as equals under the law.
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Caltex, "great " wish I had written that thx
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As previously stated by others, equality is equality......period.
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I do no think it needs to politically correct. I think those who use that term do not believe what they are saying. Equality for all is not a political thing......it is a humanity thing.
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I think homosexual folks should be able to walk down the street holding hands, hugging, kissing (exactly as hetero folks do) without the risk of being attacked or dying.
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So many have used their faith as a basis for their hate/discrimination - yet they say they do not hate. For you to deny the rights of other people due to your religious affiliation is exactly that --- hate/discrimination.
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As for those religious beliefs, these same groups believe sex before marriage is a sin. Do you go around looking at a couple on the street kissing and say: "are you married? No? SINNERS!!!" Of course you don't. That would be ridiculous.
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It is no ones business what consenting adults do in their love life. The only sex you need to be concerned with is your own.

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Great point about the "are you married" part, I hadn't thought about it like that before.
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Thanks. I hope that at some point in my lifetime this will no longer be an issue. There is a person on this site that is in an interracial marriage but they are against gay rights. I have pointed out to this person numerous times that their marriage would have been illegal 60 years ago and that every single argument used against gay rights was exactly what was said then about interracial marriage. They don't get it.
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In another ten years it won't be an issue, except for the fundamentalists who will always have issues :/
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Let's hope that it comes to pass sooner.
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YNP – I'm Christian and I don't believe in homosexual marriage. I'm not full of hate or discrimination; frankly the only thing I hate in this subject is that feelings must be hurt. I'm just doing what I think God would want me to do.
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Marcus, if god is upset with it let him deal with it. There are people half way across the world that will strap a bomb on and detonate it on a packed bus because they feel it's what god would want them to do.
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Cal – I may be God's way of dealing with it. He could have put me here for that purpose and I'll speak His word to show my respect to Him.
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I haven't blown anyone up. Don't associate me with a terrorist.
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"I am gods weapon on Earth." this is a mantra of many Muslim warriors. It's the same mindset Marcus.
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Let's see, the following statements all have one thing in common...
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I am not anti-gay, but ......
I am not racist, but.....
I don't mean to be offensive, but.....
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These are always of trying to justify to yourself that you think these people/groups are not your equal.
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Marcus, I have dealt with you before. What if someone said that they do not believe that 16 yo homeschooled boys should be allowed to do something that every other 16 yo boy is allowed to do? Pretty ridiculous isn't it. We are talking about consenting adults here. Their sexual orientation is none if your business.....the sane as a hetero person's orientation is none of your business.

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Cal – By "weapon" they mean the kind that kills. I don't plan on killing anyone. You're associating me with the people who shoot at my brother every day.
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YNP – You have "dealt" with me before and I'm hoping we can put that in the past.
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I never said "but" anything. I'm secure in my beliefs and in my association with others as I know I'm no better than anyone else.
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Their sexual orientation isn't my business, but their marriage rights are as they pertain to the country. Though I dislike hurting people's feelings I don't want a destroyed country and I believe God will let us be destroyed if we fall away from Him.
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Marcus, explain in detail exactly HOW a gay couple being married affects the country.......
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Marcus, then explain in detail how a hetero marriage has benefitted this country....
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Heterosexual marriage doesn't directly benefit the country. Again, I don't believe I'm better than anyone else. Homosexual marriage hurts the country because it's another step away from God and that's not what I believe we need.
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What YOU believe..........
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Marcus do you believe your god is weak? That it can't put a stop to something it disapproved of ? Like I said people should let their god make its own judgments.
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@MadMarcus: Don't mean to gang up on you here, but I must respond to your comment about God letting us be destroyed if we fall away from him. When our Constitution was going through the various state ratification conventions, many people complained that if the founding document to this nation did not contain some homage to God, he would surely "overturn from its foundations the fabric we have been rearing, and crush us to atoms in the wreck" as Rev. John Mason of New York put it. The Founding Fathers, many of whom were Christians, resisted all such calls for theistic inclusions and the Constitution remained entirely secular. This is the first nation in the world that was designed from its foundation to be a secular nation.

To protect that foundation we have the separation of church and state. Where ever same-sex marriage is made legal in this country, no religious institution is required to accept or perform such marriages. Same-sex marriage--as are all marriages recognized by the government--is a civil matter. In fact, marriage sacraments have no force of law. I have known plenty of people who do not believe in same-sex marriage, but they also do not want to force their religious doctrine on others who do not share their religious views. Keep civil marriage secular, and keep the marriage sacrament free from government intrusion.
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Everyone's missing the point. It's not about gay sex, why is everyone hung up on the sex, this is a simple question about honesty. I'm merely asking, do we vote what we really feel , or what we think is right.. I only used the gay marriage subject, because it is a current topic.i never said any thing about gay sex. Don't read between my lines, you're only going to see the words you put there. "not Mine"
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YNP – I don't expect anything of you except to understand my opinion. No hard feelings. Good luck at work!
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Caluvox – I don't believe He's weak and I do believe He could put a stop to it if He wanted to. God works in mysterious ways. Regarding judging, I refrain from doing that job because I know it's not mine, but His. I just follow His word and His word.
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CalTex – I'll reply in a minute if you'll excuse me.
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@MadMarcus: Take your time. I will be out running errands.
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CalTex – At least it's a nice gang. :P
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I've never been quite sure what separation of church and state is supposed to mean. A church isn't by definition a building or an organization, but it's the believers as a whole. My family is a church and all the Christians of the nation are a church. As well as a church we're also civilians which means we have a right to voice our opinions in civil matter.
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CalTex – Take your time as well and good luck with the errands.
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Olpaint, If you read the second section of my response, I did answer exactly what you asked.

I despise the term "politically correct" as it gives people license to be a hypocrite, to feel better about themselves when they know they are treating others poorly.
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Olpaint – Sorry if it bugs you. You don't have to join.
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@MadMarcus: You are absolutely right. We all must vote for what we think is best for all citizens of this nation. If that means you voting to deny a group of people their civil right to marry (as sad as it is when anyone's rights are put to a popular vote) then sobeit. However, I do have a problem with tax exempt religious institutions funneling millions of dollars into any anti-civil rights campaign. But that's why we are all here on Ask. It's why we have elections. We each have a message to tell in hopes that it will effect change. But I can tell you with all certainty, voting against same-sex marriage will not change any homosexual into a heterosexual.
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I don't understand much about economics so I don't know what you mean about "funneling". But it sounds like a different subject anyway, am I right?
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I realize it won't turn any homosexual into a heterosexual. I can't control people. But thanks for understanding my view, CalTex.
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@MadMarcus: Funneling in this context means providing monetary support to a political campaign through indirect means. Here in California our Proposition 8 campaign to amend our state constitution to bar same-sex marriage was bank rolled with millions and millions of dollars from the Catholic Church and the Mormon Church. That money was spent on a media blitz which spread misinformation throughout the state, and the measure subsequently passed by a slim margin despite polls showing it would pass prior to the media blitz. Prop 8 was subsequently ruled unconstitutional and is now before the U.S. Supreme Court.
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But churches are just buildings owned by a man. So he funds what he thinks is right. What's wrong with that?
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Madmarcus , I'm not bugged, the question was not about gay marriage , I used it as an example, because it has been a current and hot topic. The question was about, do you think we accept or vote for something based on our real personal feelings, or based on what's "popular opinion" I omitted the political correctness. I just wanted people's thoughts on the question. Gay rights I endorse due to my belief in civil liberty. Too many thought I was asking opinions on gay marriage. That's why I became frustrated. Sorry if I offended, that's never been my agenda.

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Olpaint – I fully understand how you must feel and I'm sorry.
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Ynp, thanks for the lecture, but what does it have to do with my question, about civil rights and individual freedoms, taking priority over ones personal beliefs.

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People who try to be PC are not being honest with themselves.

I am not PC.......I believe in equality.....I AM okay with gay marriage.
I answered your question -- more than once.

All of your answers here are geared to what you posted. If you did not want your repsonses to be about gay marriage, you probably should not have lead with that.
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I don't do Political Correctness, though I try to be tactful in my non-PC way. Most of the time. So you'll have to believe that I'm in favour.

And the good news today is that same-sex marriage became law in the UK overnight by a healthy vote of 400 / 175.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/gay-marriage-vote-passes-in-uk-20130206-2dx53.html

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Lol. Good news for some, David.
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Great news for the concept of equality!
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It's only a matter of time before the nay sayers will occupy the dust bin of history with the segregationists and male chauvinists.
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Hi both, and yes it is.
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CalTex – Excuse me.
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Hi, David. Hope you're well. It's morning in Oz, right?
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Sure is Marcus. 10.30 on a lovely sunny morning. Hope all's well with you.
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I'm doing okay.
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What are things like in Australia? The terrain, the houses?
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Most of us live within reach of the coast where things are nice and green and where, in a few places, the mountains come down to the sea. Accommodation is fairly affordable and the majority of people live in houses (which I think the Brits call bujngalows and the Yanks call ranches). Living standard is high and we have a solid social security system that makes life a lot easier for people down on their luck. (Your Republicans would hate it.) It gets abused but it's a wonderful safety net when well handled.

Away from the coast the land grows progressive dryer and the centre has a great deal of desert, but that desert is very beautiful in places. It's so dry that at Alice Springs they have an annual regatta on the Todd River but, since the river is usually only a dry bed, the boats (all manner of them) are picked up and carried on foot. You might like to Google "Henley on Todd Regatta"
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That sounds like a great place, David. And you explained it like a well written book. Haha.
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My brain needs defragging, Marcus. Too much information collected in there and it leaks out through the fingers.
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Gay marriage has no place in society in my opinion.

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Understood, but would you deny their civil rights based on that opinion.
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Yes, I would.
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Thanks for your honesty.
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Sounds like people I used to know when I was growing up wanted to deny civil rights to people because of their race. Of course, that was just their opinion.
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