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For those of you that feel we get our morality from a supernatural being, aka god, what is your answer to this (see below)

Why is it that humans are the only social species that murder one another?
Other social animals that use a hierarchical pack system similar to ours, such as wolves and lions, fight for dominance and the ability to breed but they do not kill each other, so why us?
Any observations on this subject would be appreciated, even if you don't believe we get our moral values from an outside source.

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Calu....animals do kill each other -- for dominance, for survival, protecting their young, etc.....all survival based actions.

What they do not do is plan and carry out murder or kill over emotions.

Animals run on instinct. Humans run on emotions and will kill for love, greed, anger, drugs, the thrill of it, and much more.

Animals have none of these "reasoning" or emotional abilities. Maybe they are more evolved than we are?

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Of course animals kill other animals but very, very rarely do members of the same social species kill one another.
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Just as I thought very good answer
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Calu....Gorillas, chimpanzees, and other primates do, as well as some canine species.

What you wanted to kn ow was why do humans kill. Because of emotional reasoning. They know it is wrong, yet they find a way to justify it in their minds. Humans do not want to be dominant so much as they want to be superior to everything else. It all comes down to emotions.
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All of those are primates and closely related to us, that will be another question. Canines are a domesticated species and therefore not a good control group for study. I know why we kill, my question was more concerning whether any of the faiths had an explanation as to why this fact exists.
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An answer straight from the horse's ... er, eagle's mouth.
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I am sure they will give you reasons, they will post quotes from the bible, the qur'an, the torah, etc. They will say, as someone just posted, that we lived in harmony until sin entered the picture. They will tell you it is a sin punishable by god and/or death.

Ultimately man does it because he chooses to do so. They will tell themselves anything to make it justifiable in their minds.
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Oh I knew that, I just thought perhaps one of the faiths, I was thinking maybe Hindu or one of the others I haven't studied that much, might have an answer or explanation. That's why I didn't say "Christians" I know they think humans are separate and above all other animals. I'm thinking now I should have narrowed my search :/
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I think that may have gotten you the results you were looking for. Sorry I couldn't help :-(
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Haha!! No worries. I'm going to ask tomorrow if anyone knows why primates are prone to murder but not other social species, like the two I mentioned. Of course that ones going to go under science ;)
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Possibly because primates are very close to us not just in evolution but also in social structure?? More on that if and when you do pose that question..
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We have to remember that archbishops are also called primates. Still, can't see a conflict of ideas there, really.
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Thanks Wit, I've been researching anew based on information I received from JewelnMiasMom below. I'm still digging.
LOL!!! Very true Dodgy :)
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Because some of us are evil.

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Chimpanzees are known to hunt, stalk, & murder members of others troops.

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Yes I'd thought about that, they are our closest relative however. That was going to be another question involving primates.
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The Bible says the wages of sin is death.

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Paul says that, not the Bible.
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Ok,the apostle Paul wrote the passage in the Bible,"the wages of sin is death"...
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Lol, good point momo.
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Simple because we are the only beings who have hatred and darkness in our hearts to do such demented things unlike animals who act on pure instinct alone...

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Because humans are dumb thank god I'm not one(: no , but really I thinks it's because humans run mainly on emotion and not fully on instincts. Also as humans we are naturally very selfish . we just want to get something, somewhere, someone or some feeling. I believe that's why we do what we do.

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They do in fact kill each other when fighting for domonence not always but they will fight until the challenger gives up or dies whichever comes first

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Cases of direct death are extremely rare, but cases of blood lose are not unheard of.
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Alot of the time people that kill others just becouse they can generally cant feel empathy for some one becouse the area of the brain used for feeling empathy is not actually there. ( the part of the brain is there physically but it gets used for other things)
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That's along the lines of what I'm attempting to learn, there are many reasons humans kill but other (social) animals don't normally do this. I wonder, do they have empathy.
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In animals generally no but they dont kill each other becouse it serves them better to keep the other alive more of a " saftey in numbers" kind of thing
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This is a scientific question as well, many species (as @bipolarbear13 mentioned) murder their own kind as well. In fact, we are the only species of animal that doesn't do natural selection, which is (technically) murder for the use of the species own survival.

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Hamsters kill and eat each other all the time. How does this have anything to do with morals?

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Hamsters are not a pack oriented social species as I described, gaters and crocs kill and eat one another as well.
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Well we are made in the image and likeness of God, therefore we have a free will and we are more intellectually advanced than other animals.
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humans are a different breed of species than all others

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Every breed of a specie is different from the others.
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Because we as human beings, are different from any creature in the animal kingdom, and we have an ability to reason, which sets us apart. And it could get us killed by one another. I agree, how tragic. We need a social contract. Let's bring Hobbes back!

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I'm right here. What'd you need?
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sorry meant Lock (chuckle) ;)
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because human can not use all of their brain

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Thats actually a huge misconception all the parts of the brain work together
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You don't really want an answer. You want people to say things so you can argue and/or belittle the faith of some. No thank you.

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Incorrect, only researching the cause of the "killer instinct" in humans. I'm starting with moral possibilities.
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We know that we were created in God's image (Genesis 1:27) and we were made to live in harmony with God and with our fellow man. This harmony became impossible once sin entered into the picture (Genesis 3). With sin came the propensity for acting violently against one another. Anger, jealousy, pride and hatred can fuel man's evil bent towards life-ending aggression. The first recorded act of murder was when Cain killed his brother Abel (Genesis 4:8). From that moment on, taking the life of another has been commonplace and, in some circles of society, acceptable. However, to God every life is important, and since God knew that man was sinful and evil and had become "lawless," He enacted guidelines that would seek to modify man's behavior (1 John 3:4). "Everyone who sins is breaking God's law, for all sin is contrary to the law of God."

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Best explanation so far, I'm still curious though as to way other animals that share our social structure do not kill as we do. Does the bible mention this at all?
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The whole creation was brought under a curse because of Adam's sin. This curse will be removed in the eternal state when Christ will restore the creation to the way it was in the beginning. "We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time."Romans 8:22 Meaning everything is effected by sin. Animals too.
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Dolphins kill the young of their species for fun.

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Really?!?! I wasn't aware of that, hmmm they are very intelligent, I wonder if killer whales do as well. Thanks, this helps!
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It is sad. But what can I say. I am agnostic by the way.
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I just looked it up, they've witnessed attacks near Scotland and Virginia, very sad. I knew primates killed each other and had thought it was just a primate thing that we all kill naturally because of something in our make-up. But this puts a whole new twist on things, now I'm wondering if it's an intelligence related issue :/
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I don't know. It tends to be younger adult males that perpetrate these atrocities. If that means something, higher testosterone levels maybe.
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Yes testosterone is a major contributor for such actions among all species, male lions kill the young of the former alpha as a matter of ensuring their genes only are carried on. I'm going to look into the intelligence factor, thank you very much! Your answer seems to have made this all worth while.
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I am glad I answered then. Have a good day.
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There might be something to that, cal. Dolphins have been known to "rape", bully, and kidnap as well.
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Good point HaiMai.
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Look up young elephant bulls too. When raised in an orphanage they grow up to kill other animals including rhinos.
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LOL! I just posted a question regarding elephants ;)
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I don't know if it's an intelligence related issue, or it comes from emotion. It seems like animals capable of emotion, i.e, humans, dolphins, chimps, etc. may kill to satisfy an emotion or feeling that is driving them..
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BINGO!!! That's exactly what I'm trying to learn! I had thought it was just humans (of all the social species, of course) That's why I started from the moral point of view.
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It proves a point in a way, yes? So now god is in charge of morality for spark of intelligence animals? I don't think so. But if humans take their morality/emotions from god, then these folks would have to concede higher intelligence animals do, too. Good question, btw.
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I never believed any god/gods had anything to do with it, I simply thought I'd "reverse engineer" the subject starting from the morality or "god given" aspect if you will. And thanks! It's a subject that I've been curious about but never really studied.
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You mentioned earlier orcas. There is video documentation of a pod killing a Great White. I don't believe that this is part of their normal food chain and if I remember right they only ate a little bit of it. Makes me wonder at the reasoning behind the kill.
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Oh, I know, cal. I meant that, in a way, it disproves the whole "god-given" thing..
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Yes I've seen that, the same is true of lions killing hyenas and not eating them. I was looking more into the "murder" aspect of same species animals, but that is also an interesting topic.
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Agreed HaiMai.
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We are not free nor separate from our evolutionary cousins, the REST of the biosphere. But we do have the capacity for higher level thinking. Many other animals kill but they don't PLAN to kill. That takes a larger number of neural connections.

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What? Animals DO kill each other for leadership and mating as well as food. Your way off on this question haha!

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Wolves do not kill wolves, show me any documented case. Lions do not kill lions, with the exception of a coup in which a new lion takes over a pride and proceeds to kill the male cubs of the former alpha male. This is the second time, you really need to read descriptions better.
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There can not be 2 alpha males in any pack or den. They will and do fight to the death. Just because your *ahem, "STUDIES" say other wise does not mean it's correct. And when it comes to mating, look out.
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Suzie17
If there's a weak animal or something wrong they will kill them too. Mothers often turn on their young, kind of like humans seem to be doing ALOT lately.
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The weak get killed off. And mothers turn on their young. Much like humans do alot lately. But you're right, it's not that common or for the sheer insane thrill of murdering someone like humans.
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Suzie17
Ok, NOW they show up haha! This thing is messing with me!!
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Something else very bizarre, humans usually only kill in their own ethnic group. And there's been very few black serial killers.
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Again not wolves, and not lions. You keep saying "animals," of course animals kill animals, crocs, gaters, bears, tigers, etc. etc. etc. but those are not social species similar to humans, wolves, and lions. I guess I made the mistake before of thinking you might be a *ahem* "LOGICAL" human being, I won't do that again.
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Ok Cul, I'm not into the pissing match you're looking for ok? You are right and I am wrong, ok? Have a better day!
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Suzie, clearly animals kill for BIOLOGICAL reasons. How do you explain the animals that kill for EMOTIONAL reasons? Has God imbued these creatures with moral commandments as well?
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Suzie17
Muaah! Kisses for you too! Hahaha!
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Suzie17
Hai, I don't care. I know you're looking for a fight along side your boy, but I'm just not interested. At all. K?
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No thank you. Sorry I don't roll that way.
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Haimai, I believe Suzie suffers a degree of paranoia or some other self imagined oppression complex, I have dealt with her on another Q&A and she showed the same signs in it as well. Don't waste your time.
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K, thanks, Cal
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Ditto, someone disagreed with the Cul and look at the hate spewed out now. Over LIONS AND WOLVES!! Hahaha!....Classic!! Don't EVEN say you're not looking for a fight. Grow up!
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"Hate"???? You're one of those Last Word people, aren't you?
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Suzie17
Ya, hate. Look at the comments. I was nice but should know better to disagree. That's cause for verbal attacks for some. Ridiculous!!
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She also seems to like comments removed :/
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I bet. Seems I have my answer. She's a "Last Word Person."
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Suzie17
That's right. I'm a last word person unlike YOU! You're not looking for an argument? Is this your normal temperament when one disagrees? How sad.....
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Suzie17
Ok, I'm done here. You can keep up the hate festival. I'm really not interested. And you can have the very last word. Wolves don't kill wolves and lions don't kill lions. I'm not nice and you're just awesome. K? There, take care now!!
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Wow........
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Oh Yos! You put another last word in!!
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Yup!
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I have heard of wolves killing each other. And what does that prove anyway? Explain your point.

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