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Drone attacks on U.S citizens? 78% of Americans approve and want Congress to pass it.

It is suppossed to be for citizen terrorists abroad BUT What they don't tell you is; Like EVERYTHING in the Patriot act, it is/will be left open ended. It could &will include surveillance and attacks on U.S citizens here on U.S soil. You are giving the govt permission to spy on and fire upon YOU. All it will take is that nosey "ticked at the world" neighbor citizen police to make an accusation and you're being spied on inside your home by a drone. Maybe you made a statement on Facebook/college etc that could be misconstrued. If they told people this small detail, do you think they would still be in favor?

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rustyboilerz

Hey, that's Obama for you. Remember it's his approved hit list!

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That is obama for you
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The man can't lead. Why do you think he uses all of those czars!
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Are the people that are voting for this idiots? They could spy on you and you wouldn't even know it. Do you really trust our govt that much?

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I haven't trused our govt since I marched against the Viet Nam war in 1968. Who says these drone thigns are real? Rsuh Limp head?
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There are actual memos that have come out of DC talking about their right to kill via some government servant saying someone is a terrorist. I don't trust any servant once they think they have power over we the people.
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FunnyLittleFrog

Well, I'm reading 1984 right now, and it's very, very, creepy because I can recognize my society in that book :/

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Read it last year, really creepy.
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Astounding isn't it? Sleep well, the rest of us aren't either.
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I read that a while ago,and i agree with you
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Read Freedom. Short story that will open your eyes. Also Animal Farm. You will see how liberalism can go wrong.
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Animal Farm is an allegory to show that Marxist's vision of an egalitarian utopia is unattanable inevitably creating an oligarchy more oppresive to the proletariat that the bougoise it vilifies. The only party I see in the United States that is trying to create an oligarchy that oppresses the masses is the republican party. And like Stalin, they make heavy use of propoganda.
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Dont make it more than it really is. What your not mentioning is how cynical the government is, and how they take almost NO threats seriously. If there even is some evidence against you they will take other messages such as tapping your phone and or hacking your computer. If they use a drone, you ARE a terrorist. at that point there is no if.

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Good point.
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But what is it really? That nobody knows!
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Wow you really have trust in those who hold power. I am sure Germans did too.
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Well Red, McVeigh the Oklahoma City bomber, was taken in this way and he was a REAL domestic terrorist, tried and convicted as one.
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Red. I dont have trust. Thats why ive done actual research in order to protect myself FROM the government. And then i realized that as a regular law abiding citizen i just have to listen for phone taps (which ive trained myself to do) and make sure to protect myself from email and cookie viruses (which the government can legally use to take a quick peek at your search history and recent downloads). The whole drone thing is absolutely nothing to worry about unless you actually ARE a terrorist.
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Here at home they can have cops knock on your door. If an American joins al Qaida and takes up arms against the USA, I'll pull the trigger on the Hellfire missile myself if given the chance, as long as they are on foreign soil where the local govt has no control. I swore an oath to defend this country from ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic.

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As did I Tony, Ooh rah!
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Thank you both!
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I see your point Tony. But as a citizen, don't we all have the right to a trial? We are either a nation of laws or there is no law.
Why don't we just kill mass murderers that get caught? We know they are guilty, so why not just hang them? We both know the answer.
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What you don't understand ... the laws are open ended so if the govt feels they need to extend it to ordinary citizens they can. the govt is so paranoid of it's own people. The 1865 law (no part of patriot act) legisaltion was not passed because it leaves the citizen unprotected and vunerable. even back then they knew better. Now you're vunerable and open to unlimeted survailence. terrorist or not.
people have voluntarily given up the rights liberties you've sworn to protect. Thanx but your service is No longer needed. sign up for the round up squads for FEMA camps. leave a light on for me.
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If they're in this country they have rights, if they're in a country like Pakistan in a region like Waziristan where the Paki govt has no jurisdiction then they're fair game for a drone strike. They're not criminals breaking the law, they're enemy combatants, al Qaida terrorists who have declared war on the United States, and we have declared war on them. They're no longer citizens. If they're in a geographical location where they can't be taken in then they should be kiIIed by Hellfire missiles.
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Tony – The current law enforcement has no immediate power over us. They're police officers with cars, handguns, shotguns, and radios. There's nothing there you're not allowed to have. But what about drones? Don't mean to gang up on you but Robert has a point. What's the difference between giving our government power over villains, and giving them power over us? We have police men and cars that have minimal advantage, i.e. don't have the ability to spy on us and blow us up. This allows for not too much power but also not too much inability. When things get out of hand is when they can call in the big stuff. But add flying deadly robots on standard surveillance controlled by people miles away and that breaks the ice for tyranny.
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I agree, if they use it on civilians here in the US. But I'm taking about terrorists hiding in the mountains of Waziristan. It's comparing apples to oranges ... no, it's comparing apples to hydraulic torque wrenches.
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Tony, sorry, I don't understand what you're saying.
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(I LOLed at the humor. :P)
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The point as I'm understanding is that Obama alone has the power over these decisions, am I correct in my thinking?
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Tony or Robert please answer above ?
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Tony, I'm referring to this debate. See the notification please. :P
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Ok what part didn't you understand? Waziristan is a region of Pakistan where that govt has no control. It's run by the taliban, AQ, and other islamic terrorist groups. If a Pred sees a high value target down below, why not take the shot? If he's surrounded by women and children, no, but if not then kiII him. He can't be taken alive, a Predator can't attest him. He's not a bank robber, he's an enemy combatant, BOOM, dead.
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I agree with that. What do you think about drones on American soil? if you don't mind my asking.
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They shouldn't be armed, but they're flying along the boarder, catching illegal aliens, I'm all for that.
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If they're limited to that it might be okay.
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That is certainly a controversial question. I would comment on it but I can't find any actual credible news sources that are covering this. Even FOX who is notorious for spinning fiction isn't covering this. Where did you get this? Do you have an actual source or did you make it up yourself?

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My question exactly.
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Why does that matter?
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This is true there will be an estimated 30,000 drones over our skies in the next few years.I will find you a link and post it here for you to see.
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Using drones is one thing: Using drones to perform hits on US citizens on US soils is something completely different. But feel free to look. I hope you don't pull up some neoconazi blogs. and have an actual credible source. But I won't hold me breath.
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MadMarcus, what does it matter if this is a real issue or just something someone made up? You really don't care if the question is a troll based on a made up scenario or weather or not it's true? Really?
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Blacksmith – It was a sincere question so you don't have to interrogate me. Lol. But I think the questioner's theory is based on a general intuitive scenario.
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I think his question was based on a pretend make believe scenario designed to make people fearful. In other words a troll. It goes back to that old saying if you want to control a large group of people, tell them a scary story. I think this is a bid to make people afraid of Obama and run to the GOP based on a lie. Typicall GOP trickery. I think they got it from Hitler. Hed have loved whaty the GOP has become. And they would have loved him as well.
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Blacksmith – I don't think the questioner ever said the situation actually occurred. I think it's just a what-if, and realistic one in my opinion. And please don't insult the party I tend to admire.
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I didn't insult anyone. Well maybe I insulted the nazis a little but what I said is true.
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It's completely opinion, completely uncalled for and completely insulting. You just lost a lot of credit from me.
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I never thought about that. Good thinking. In that case maybe drones could be something that are deployed in emergencies but never used for standard civilian surveillance?

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I believe you

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Can I interest you in some oceanfront property in Arizona? Dirt Cheap!
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That's unbelievable
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Lol
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So is the phony issue he brought up as if it were real.
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Who are these 78% people that approve if this? Nobody asked me!!

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Nobody asked anyone it is a pretend scenario that never happened. Typical neoconazi schtick.
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