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renglemsr:
3 months ago
well, who told you that ...i am a Muslim ...and Muslims women work ...but ,There are several obvious guidelines that should be followed if a woman must work:
First, she must obtain consent from her guardian or husband (if married), who may offer a broader perspective on how her work may influence the family and its functioning.
Secondly, a woman must ensure that her home and children are properly cared for. Her husband may be of assistance in this area, or outside help may be employed.
Thirdly, care must be taken to choose employment that is appropriate and fits with her skills. Obviously, any work that deals with forbidden activities, services, or products would not be allowed but there is a world of possibilities available.
Forthly, any job that prevents her from fulfilling any of her Islamic obligations, like Hijaab or Prayer for example, is not an option to be considered.
Fifthly, while at the job, a woman must maintain her inwardly and outwardly modesty and chastity.
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erciatask:
3 months ago
For the same reason women have reduced rights if it were up to the Christian religion. Western women have only gained some rights in the past 150 years, you know. Some christian political parties in Europe STILL deny women as members.
Oh, as for the real answer: I have no idea why religions tend to hate women. They just do.
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women's are not allowed in Islam because Muslims treat their women like a queen they don't want their women to be seen by everyone.
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Skeptikitten:
3 months ago
My idea of bring treated like a queen does not include being told whether or not I can work and in what field, and what I must wear.
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safairina:
3 months ago
you give everything to her and you will marry maximum 4 women. is this fair?
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umarj:
3 months ago
yeah of course but you should know what your religion restricts to.
If you are trying to say no one has rights to tell you what you should do or not or what you should wear or not, they just tell you because they care for you! because you will HAVE TO answer GOD after death and they dont want you to get in trouble. They only correct you when you are wrong otherwise you can do whatever you want that's your life, ilive it the way you like :)
If you are trying to say no one has rights to tell you what you should do or not or what you should wear or not, they just tell you because they care for you! because you will HAVE TO answer GOD after death and they dont want you to get in trouble. They only correct you when you are wrong otherwise you can do whatever you want that's your life, ilive it the way you like :)
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safairina:
3 months ago
my question is why that restrictions only for women.?
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umarj:
3 months ago
@safairina not everytime they marry 4 women. I agree we MEN are taking it the wrong way! HOLY PROPHET only marry to needy womens and cared equally. But we say we can do 4 no matter what, this is wrong! and if we see about 15% go for next mariiage not all the men!
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Skeptikitten:
3 months ago
I'm an atheist, so fortunately no one is trying to rule my life under the guise of an ancient patriarchal religion.
It's malarkey to claim someone takes away your freedom to choose what you do with your life because they care about you. Not to mention the silliness of treating a woman like a child who cannot figure out what is and is not good for her on her own.
Safairina is correct- no one places those restrictions on men- they are all about controlling women and treating them as lesser beings.
It's malarkey to claim someone takes away your freedom to choose what you do with your life because they care about you. Not to mention the silliness of treating a woman like a child who cannot figure out what is and is not good for her on her own.
Safairina is correct- no one places those restrictions on men- they are all about controlling women and treating them as lesser beings.
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safairina:
3 months ago
okay, then why you didn't obey that Islamic rule? you know why men can marry maximum 4 women? to increase the population of Islamic people. then why you didn't marry 4 women? why you didn't spreading Islam? its also wrong?
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safairina:
3 months ago
i don't like to marry anyone. my mom said its also wrong,then God will punish you. i said okay. because i can't punish myself to marry anyone.
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umarj:
3 months ago
Muslim Women Have the Right to Go Outside of Her Home
Muslim women are not forbidden from going out in the community, working, or visiting relatives and female friends, if there is no objection from their guardian/husband and they are covered and behave and speak according to Islamic guidelines and, if necessary, escorted by their Mahram (a close male relative). However, a woman’s home should be the main base that she works from. Allah (SWT) instructed the wife’s of the Prophet (SAW):
"O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he is whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and offer prayers perfectly (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.) from you, O members of the family [of the Prophet (SAW)], and to purify you with a thorough purification." (Al-Ahzab 33:32-33)
Muslim women are not forbidden from going out in the community, working, or visiting relatives and female friends, if there is no objection from their guardian/husband and they are covered and behave and speak according to Islamic guidelines and, if necessary, escorted by their Mahram (a close male relative). However, a woman’s home should be the main base that she works from. Allah (SWT) instructed the wife’s of the Prophet (SAW):
"O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allah), then be not soft in speech, lest he is whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner. And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and offer prayers perfectly (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins, etc.) from you, O members of the family [of the Prophet (SAW)], and to purify you with a thorough purification." (Al-Ahzab 33:32-33)
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Skeptikitten:
3 months ago
Needing permission means you aren't free- you are treated like a child or slave.
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umarj:
3 months ago
i can not force you to agree on my words but this is how islam is!
and as you know where the world is heading to! almost everyday womens are being raped by desperate and frustrated mens! this is why muslims stops their women to go out alone or go out for work thou islam forces women to get knowledge of all afiars :)
and as you know where the world is heading to! almost everyday womens are being raped by desperate and frustrated mens! this is why muslims stops their women to go out alone or go out for work thou islam forces women to get knowledge of all afiars :)
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safairina:
3 months ago
hey if you want to save women from raping, its better to teach to men "except your girl(only one)" all other girls are your sister. then problem is solved. why they treat women as a slave? i know all about Islam. i don't want your teaching.
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Skeptikitten:
3 months ago
Exactly- to stop rape, teach MEN it's wrong to rape. You don't lock women in a closet like it's their fault. Men are responsible for the vast majority of rape.
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umarj:
3 months ago
Yeah right :)
but you BLAME men ( from all religions) islam is not only religion!
India and USA the main countries where womens are beinbg raped everyday in india HINDUS live and in USA christan lives. im not saying muslim men never do this stuff they do but you cant blame only muslims! We want EVERY WOMEN TO BE PROTECTED BY HARM! i hope you are getting me! Islam never stops women to go out :)
but you BLAME men ( from all religions) islam is not only religion!
India and USA the main countries where womens are beinbg raped everyday in india HINDUS live and in USA christan lives. im not saying muslim men never do this stuff they do but you cant blame only muslims! We want EVERY WOMEN TO BE PROTECTED BY HARM! i hope you are getting me! Islam never stops women to go out :)
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safairina:
3 months ago
oh you said, its correct to rape other religion women.?
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Skeptikitten:
3 months ago
I'm not blaming Muslims for all rapes. I'm saying the a muslin philosophy of locking up their women as though the actions of men are their fault is ludicrous.
You don't teach men it's wrong to rape- you merely take away the rights of women. THAT is what I blame Islam for- for treating women like second class citizens with no right to make their own decisions.
You don't teach men it's wrong to rape- you merely take away the rights of women. THAT is what I blame Islam for- for treating women like second class citizens with no right to make their own decisions.
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Skeptikitten:
3 months ago
It is not right to remove all choice and freedom by pretending you're doing it to protect them.
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safairina:
3 months ago
@umarj: why you said, i would understand? there is nothing to understand in your stupid arguments. i said my points. that's it.
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umarj:
3 months ago
no rights been taken from anyone in islam. you are talking what you have herd. no women have locked in rooms or been toretured that used to happen 1400 years back but then Holy prophet restricted all the men to respect women, and GAVE them their rights and asks to educate women even you have to send her to the other corner of the world.
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safairina:
3 months ago
why we want to get a permission? we don't have rights? we don't have sense?
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safairina:
3 months ago
why i want to step back? if you can't able to prove your point is correct, you will step back. this is the stupid thing, women should close their mouth.? chauvinist...
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safairina:
3 months ago
how do you know muslim womens are living happly in their life? you are a muslim women? don't consider yourself. consider every one.
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I have already proved my point that is you who are not agreeing upon.
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I'm considering everyone. ill feel bad if one(any religion) is hurt! I see people around me they are living happily what else you can expect ?
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seedy3:
3 months ago
umarj, you sound like a western muslim, and here in the west I find many muslims more open and allow their women to work and more freedoms then in the east. But please answer this:
1: Why are woman not allowed to drive a car in Saudi Arabia?
2: Why in many nations where Islam is the ruling law are woman not allowed to leave the home with out an adult male relative escort, and if caught without an escort they are taken and beaten or whipped.
3: Why do some Islamic nations not allow women to gain an education? In a few they allow the basic, but no advanced education.
4: How can a woman become a President or Prime Minister of a nation, yet still stay with in Islamic law (Indonesia).
5: How is it protecting a woman to not give her freedom to achieve her goals in life, what makes the man a better decision maker?
6: If men are the problem as to crimes against women, then why are woman required to marry their rapist and can never divorce according to Islamic law (this is enforced in some Islamic nations but not all).
1: Why are woman not allowed to drive a car in Saudi Arabia?
2: Why in many nations where Islam is the ruling law are woman not allowed to leave the home with out an adult male relative escort, and if caught without an escort they are taken and beaten or whipped.
3: Why do some Islamic nations not allow women to gain an education? In a few they allow the basic, but no advanced education.
4: How can a woman become a President or Prime Minister of a nation, yet still stay with in Islamic law (Indonesia).
5: How is it protecting a woman to not give her freedom to achieve her goals in life, what makes the man a better decision maker?
6: If men are the problem as to crimes against women, then why are woman required to marry their rapist and can never divorce according to Islamic law (this is enforced in some Islamic nations but not all).
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umarj:
3 months ago
1: Why are woman not allowed to drive a car in Saudi Arabia?
womens are bad drivers :P This must be law there ? but allowed in UAE why ?
2: Why in many nations where Islam is the ruling law are woman not allowed to leave the home with out an adult male relative escort, and if caught without an escort they are taken and beaten or whipped.
This is not true my friends go out with me and i have seen others too.
3: Why do some Islamic nations not allow women to gain an education? In a few they allow the basic, but no advanced education.
this is also not true! islam precise to educate women! even my teachers are scholar and professors!
4: How can a woman become a President or Prime Minister of a nation, yet still stay with in Islamic law (Indonesia). i didnt get it.
5: How is it protecting a woman to not give her freedom to achieve her goals in life, what makes the man a better decision maker?
parents and husband knows better! i have a chrsitan neighbor two brotheres lives next to eachother one allows his wife to go out and work but the other one is totally different. why is he ? can you go and ask for me please ? i will really appereciate that.
6: If men are the problem as to crimes against women, then why are woman required to marry their rapist and can never divorce according to Islamic law.
there is nothing like this in islam. women can anytime ask for divorce even court will help her. I request before saying or asking anything you better study about that or post a source! im not being rude im just saying.
womens are bad drivers :P This must be law there ? but allowed in UAE why ?
2: Why in many nations where Islam is the ruling law are woman not allowed to leave the home with out an adult male relative escort, and if caught without an escort they are taken and beaten or whipped.
This is not true my friends go out with me and i have seen others too.
3: Why do some Islamic nations not allow women to gain an education? In a few they allow the basic, but no advanced education.
this is also not true! islam precise to educate women! even my teachers are scholar and professors!
4: How can a woman become a President or Prime Minister of a nation, yet still stay with in Islamic law (Indonesia). i didnt get it.
5: How is it protecting a woman to not give her freedom to achieve her goals in life, what makes the man a better decision maker?
parents and husband knows better! i have a chrsitan neighbor two brotheres lives next to eachother one allows his wife to go out and work but the other one is totally different. why is he ? can you go and ask for me please ? i will really appereciate that.
6: If men are the problem as to crimes against women, then why are woman required to marry their rapist and can never divorce according to Islamic law.
there is nothing like this in islam. women can anytime ask for divorce even court will help her. I request before saying or asking anything you better study about that or post a source! im not being rude im just saying.
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Skeptikitten:
3 months ago
It's repulsively chauvinistic of you to think a woman is like a child, and that her husband must know better! The very fact you compare it to a child getting their parents' permission proves you think of women as children who cannot make their own decisions.
And if you think Muslim women outside the West are allowed to be educated you haven't been paying attention or are purposefully ignoring reality. Girls have been shot for daring to read! Women beaten for driving or going out alone!
And yet you claim this is freedom for them?
Again- you fail to give any reason how something can be considered "freedom" when you cannot make the decision on your own but must have a Nan's permission. If someone has to allow you to do something, it's not free.
And if you think Muslim women outside the West are allowed to be educated you haven't been paying attention or are purposefully ignoring reality. Girls have been shot for daring to read! Women beaten for driving or going out alone!
And yet you claim this is freedom for them?
Again- you fail to give any reason how something can be considered "freedom" when you cannot make the decision on your own but must have a Nan's permission. If someone has to allow you to do something, it's not free.
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umarj:
3 months ago
It's repulsively chauvinistic of you, youre just streaching the talk!
i gave you a reference you should have looked into that. but still i say muslim women are not treated as a child. that is your view and ive mine! i cannot go to other places but i agree there are backwardness in some countires becuase lack of education!
And in the whole conversation im quoting the saying and what Quran says about women! i already mentioned above we cannot ignore what is happening in the world but again Islam allows women to go out and work she can make her own decisiion!
i gave you a reference you should have looked into that. but still i say muslim women are not treated as a child. that is your view and ive mine! i cannot go to other places but i agree there are backwardness in some countires becuase lack of education!
And in the whole conversation im quoting the saying and what Quran says about women! i already mentioned above we cannot ignore what is happening in the world but again Islam allows women to go out and work she can make her own decisiion!
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Skeptikitten:
3 months ago
You were the one that likened women to children who need permission to work or leave the house, not me.
You clearly don't know what the definition of the word "chauvinist" is.
And you say over and over that the woman "makes her own decision", but that she also needs permission! That means she isn't making a decision at all. She is subject to the whims of her husband, with no choice if he says "no". That's oppression.
You clearly don't know what the definition of the word "chauvinist" is.
And you say over and over that the woman "makes her own decision", but that she also needs permission! That means she isn't making a decision at all. She is subject to the whims of her husband, with no choice if he says "no". That's oppression.
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Skeptikitten:
3 months ago
Bull. Even in the US they do all the time. I have a Pakistani Muslim friend who was not even allowed to finish her college degree by her arranged fiancé. She said that was more the norm than an exception in her culture.
To claim it never happens is either you being unbelievably naive or just plain lying.
And again- if permission is required, you don't really have a choice regardless of whether that permission is given.
To claim it never happens is either you being unbelievably naive or just plain lying.
And again- if permission is required, you don't really have a choice regardless of whether that permission is given.
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Skeptikitten:
3 months ago
....what? That doesn't even make sense.
The control of men over women in Islam is the rule not the exception. You have failed to provide any evidence otherwise.
And for some reason seem unable to grasp that if you must ask permission to do something, you are unable to make a free choice.
The control of men over women in Islam is the rule not the exception. You have failed to provide any evidence otherwise.
And for some reason seem unable to grasp that if you must ask permission to do something, you are unable to make a free choice.
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seedy3:
3 months ago
umarj, you say you leave your house un-escorted, evidently you do not live in Iran, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan and a few others. In those nations you would be taken and beaten for not having a male escort.
Also on Education, there are some sects of Islam that do not allow women to be educated, just recently an afghan woman was given world recognition of her efforts in fighting to allow women to be educated.
The driving was just a throw in to show that even moderate Islamic nations limit women.
As far as Rape, the Quran is very silent on it, so some of the Islamic nations turn to the Hebrew bible, which states a raped woman has to live with her rapist and may never divorce. It was just recently enforced in Pakistan by a group of militant Muslims. In fact much of the time women are punished for being raped. There are numerous news articles on this.
The President of Indonesia was a muslim woman.
The point is, I do not think Islam as a religion teaches the above items, but it does make women as second class citizens by it's nature. They have to have permission to do nearly anything from their ruling man. Even though the Quran states they can question and disagree with their ruling male and state such, they cannot disobey them.
Also on Education, there are some sects of Islam that do not allow women to be educated, just recently an afghan woman was given world recognition of her efforts in fighting to allow women to be educated.
The driving was just a throw in to show that even moderate Islamic nations limit women.
As far as Rape, the Quran is very silent on it, so some of the Islamic nations turn to the Hebrew bible, which states a raped woman has to live with her rapist and may never divorce. It was just recently enforced in Pakistan by a group of militant Muslims. In fact much of the time women are punished for being raped. There are numerous news articles on this.
The President of Indonesia was a muslim woman.
The point is, I do not think Islam as a religion teaches the above items, but it does make women as second class citizens by it's nature. They have to have permission to do nearly anything from their ruling man. Even though the Quran states they can question and disagree with their ruling male and state such, they cannot disobey them.
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JudeNachabe:
3 months ago
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who said so? women can work!
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FuhrerBradley:
3 months ago
it's kinda like how women have to have their bodies completely covered in a robe like material (which I unfortunately have forgotten the name of).
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Islam. Religion of peace...
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FuhrerBradley:
3 months ago
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It has to do with the religion, if you fight with it, yer fighting with the Muslim faith. Which I personally have no problem with seeing as I think that everyone should have the choice to believe what they want. But seeing as yer Muslim and all I thought I'd just mention that. Still, as long as you're not living in Islam, you don't have to follow yer families rules... unless of course you live in a place with shariah law, in which case I suggest not disobeying your parents because they'd have the legal right to kill you.
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friend1992:
3 months ago
No, they have rights, it is not part of their culture, which comes from ancient hindu culture.
They believed that mother should take care of home and children, and husband should deal with society and work.
They also , hate babysitting, actually there is no baby sitting, because it is believed that there is no work important than child.
Child is always considered as gift of God, so that was made for the proper development of child.
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Skeptikitten:
3 months ago
Because all three Abrahamic religions developed in a patriarchal society and have not evolved much.
If my husband had tried to tell me where or when I could work or what to wear I never would have married him.
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so women's are slaves in Islam?
With regard to women?s work, Islam does not put any impediments in the path of a woman who wants to work. However, the Islamic system does not require a woman to work outside her home in order to earn her living. Women should be looked after by their husbands, or by their male relatives if they are unmarried. A husband must provide for his wife according to his means. She and their children are his partners in what he earns. This is characteristic of the type of society Islam builds. However, women are free to work if they wish to do so, provided that their work complies with Islamic teachings. This is not a restriction, but a requirement of all people. It applies to both men and women equally.
In the early period of Islam, women worked in a variety of jobs. We learn from a Hadith that a certain woman supervised the cultivation and harvest of her piece of agricultural land. In fact the Prophet allowed her to attend her work in the farm even though she was in her waiting period after her husband?s death.
and for the " 4 women " ...see please - if you could - this book page 47
http://ccfc-ye.org/sf/pubs/Misconceptions%20about%20Islam%202.pdf
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and for the restrictions ...
It has long seemed strange to me that women in the West have fought for equal education and promotion opportunities and equal pay, yet they still want to wear revealing clothes!
On the one hand they seem to be saying: ?I am equal to a man, I have brains!? Then, on the other, they still want to be seen as a sex object and attract men?s eyes? And, why is there no outcry about the use of sex in advertising?
In contrast, by covering herself, a Muslim woman declares that she is equal to man and has brains. She closes the door to being seen as ?a piece of meat?.
and for more info ... please see http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/355/
also if you could read some articles in this page ... http://www.islamreligion.com/category/101/
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