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Who truly believes the Pope's "official" reason for retiring?

There hasn't been a Pope who retired in 300 years, most live and die well taken care of while in office. What makes this Pope so different?

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dustee

I believe him... there's no reason for him to lie...

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I never said he was lying, I just wonder considering what has been going on within and around events affecting the Church if he isn't just stepping aside as a Image Make-over for the church.?
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dustee
I didn't say you were lying...I just made a statement..sorry it hurt you...
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No, no dustee, didn't take it that way, sry back at ya!:-)
If you read rest of my comment(s) you'll see why I did empasize that I didn't think its necessarily a lie, he is after all quite advanced in age and has had health issues but if you read further It does make one wonder if there were other factors involved.
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dustee
Sugar...it's ok.... lets be happy....thanks
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Because he's playing as one of the evil villains in star wars.

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A sith lord?! I should have known
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Are you saying that maybe the pope is addicted to video games and his job as pope is taking too much time away from what is really important to him?
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Suzie17

Its been 600 years since the last one retired. I'm sure the same reason he is retiring is the same reason he was voted in at such an age to begin with.

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And what reason would that be?
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I'd like to know too.
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And we're still waiting....... This Pope will have passed away without our getting an answer to that...
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I was wondering the same thing... we live in very different times. Traditions are being lost, and change is being implemented in a lot of societies.

Maybe he wanted to retire, quit working, and not be a pope anymore. I think we'll see the truth in the next few weeks and months.

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Yes, it will be VERY interesting to see who gets elected as the new Pope and what type of Agenda the Church will set forth.
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Mmhmm.
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Hmmmm, indeed.
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rustyboilerz
Just so long as they stay true to the tenants of the church, I don't see too much of a shake up coming.
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rustyboilerz

While he's claiming failing memory and health, I wouldn't be surprised if it's all due to the scandal the church is going through.

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I kind of thought the same.
Wether it is his decision or that of the Church as a whole , makes one wonder if they are not attempting a "make-over" in their image?
As I mentioned to ninja, will be interesting to see who and what type of agenda comes next.
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*of*...image..sry
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naaaaaaaa that is old news... and it is being addressed.. The man is elderly and in ill health..
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rustyboilerz
I caught your original intent, I wouldn't doubt an image makeover after all of the mess the church is going through.
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It likely is as most things are; a combination of all those, only time and what the Church decides going forward will give some inclination.
Still quite unusual within the Catholic Church...
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The Catholic church goes through scandals every single day for a very long time. Every time a priest molests a kid and somebody shuffles him off to a new crop of victims somewhere else, the church is knee-deep in scandal because more people get involved in hiding crime.
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what about the latest news that he is tring to change the rules of the conclave to have them elect a new pope asap, before Palm Friday? he really is not looking very well, wonder if he might be having more health issues.
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There really is no deep thought. The man is 85. Can you travel around the world at that age, because he will have to continue to do that. He made a wise choice. Best we replace him now, than wait for him to have a heart attack while on a trip etc. Imagine the chaos then if that happened? Times are changing and more is demanded of our leaders. Have a good week:

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True. :-)
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That is how I feel:) Any important person is bashed or whatever..It sells ..
This man is nice , but you can see his fragile state..Did you find Merlin hahaha pufffff
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Yep as you saw found the "magician" , my intention in asking the question was not to bash him, I kinda agree with your observation of him, rather it was more a question of "what could be going on within the Church?" Not since the Western Schism has there been a Pope who left the Church before dying and that was a momentous time for the Catholic Church! So probably should have worded it a bit different?? Eh, too late now....:-(.
Of subject, is the Rhode Island Coast similar to that of Maine? Loved it there!!
Also really liked Cape Breton north of Nova Scotia! There truly are some beautiful Ocean areas up in the North-North-East! Emphasized "North" as NJ shore ok but just kinda...eeh... Strech-a-sand?:-). Sry all Joisy-ites.. No offense!!lol.
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oh no lol you took my comment wrong witt....I was referring to the press when it comes to bashing..They just get a story and never let it go..
There will be months about this Pope too and wwhy he left.I am sure I will get tired of hearing it over and over again.
What I would love to see in the news are articles,pictures of our Armed Forces coming hom and uniting with their families..Storis about those who sacrificed their lives..Am soooo sick of hearing about the Kadashian family ...and all the money they have or want..ho hum..Sick of Lance Armstrong..let it go ..Hard to explain.
Well I got the lights off..cut my finger and the dang things arer not useful out doors.....Another long story lol. All that work for natta...
Really do not go to Maine ..Not surre about their beaches..Hear they are nice..
But what would be better than where you are:)???
Oh..I would love to visit Nova Scotia!!
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Totally get what your referring to as to the "News"..it has become little more than a tedious gossip rag and political rant... A bunch of "talking heads" who like hearing themselves speak regardless and spoiled brats with no idea whatsoever of Real Life! Heh... Think we're on the same page there.:-)
As to lights, got to the point in Jersey where I purchased the best and strongest I could find, and just left a lot of them up year-round, soo much hassle putting up-taking down..:-(. Did take some time upon re-lighting to find "problem" bulbs but lot less hassle than other way!:-).
Maine's Shoreline truly very nice, liked it mostly North of Kennebunkport, it(kenneb) too much like Jersey, just sandy for the most part.. Like variety:-).
And Nova Scotia? Especially up North into Cape Bretten, beautiful!!!
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On the lights..I bought a tree for outside last year but realized the lights were indoor lights[after the fact..duh] so I bagged the lights in a clump, and stuck them in a plastic bag behinh the tree..They were still attached.long story! I ended up putting on out door white lights.............and they blew out before the end of the holiday!..I
I decided to take off the colored lights, and of course, I removed the broken lights [the tree was out of sight under our carport] yesterday .I even got cut and, and, and..lol You neded a degree from MIT to remove the original colored ones..and then , once removed, were so complicated, I gave up sorting them.PHEW!!
You need a bunch of clumpy colored lights? Oh. if a bulb goes out..they all get thrown out the door! No time for silly investagating.,I am lousy at it hahaha
Working on a new project today..It's kinda nice but wet, wet, wet,,everything is melting..
My favorite type beach has mostly rocks and waves, shells and amazing low tides... and views that make you look up to heaven and say" Thank you God:)"
Course..we are always happy where an ocean greeets us:)
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Yikes! Does sound like you had a "light bulb moment"!lol!
We actually stopped putting them up, exept for the permanent "islandy" ones on porch; electric rates here highest in all of U.S. and properties 52 cents per KW/Hr!! When it works...So we put in some solar( highly reccomend!!) and are careful at whats running. But ja, the other side of the coin; beautiful ocean and beach just as you described!:-).
Never got notification on yr comment btw, they seem to come as feel like it...:-(.
Catch ya later..
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I don't care why he retired. Why would I , has nothing to do with me.Im not a member of his church.And I refuse to accuse.

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Nobody is making "accusations", just speculation as this is quite a Historical event, not just within the Catholic Church.. Don't forget just how much influence the Church has Worldwide.
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Nobody is accusing anything, we're discussing what he said about his own self. If this is something that you truly don't give a care about then why bother even responding?
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I don't know why I responded,it's just that I had nothing better to do. And I could.

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Ok.:-)
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There is no accusation here at all. Some popes last only a few months because of age-related illness. They are all older men when elected. But all of them die in office, except for this one. It is very unusual.
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The last pope that retired was in the 15th century. This one is retiring because A) he played a part in the sex abuse scandals
B) he's never truly apologized, just done lip service
C) he is so out of touch, he is costing the church members (and money)

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Hey boo, thanks for your answer, think some of what you pointed out may be some of the factors going into this decision, but if you read other answers and especially my comments to tonifitch and hailissa, you'll see I think my question was not worded to reflect my wondering more about whats going on within the Church as a whole than just the Personal reasons for his retirement which may well be in large part due to health and his inability to be effective considering that and the problems the Church is experiencing. Eh, Brain going in circles....:-)
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It's been 600 years, going on 700. Its proven that our mental capacity and skills diminish as we age, so its VERY possible the reason is honest. Maybe he and/or the church are hiding the real reason, who knows? We may never know.. But I say, considering this is such a rare occurrence, whatever the reason may be it has got to be a serious one. If he feels he cannot perform the duties his position calls for then I believe it's for the best.

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As I mentioned in comment to tonifitch, my question could have been worded better to actually point towards what is going on in the Church more so than any suggestion that the Pope may not be telling the truth. Question is really; as you said there has not been a Pope who gave up his Office since the Western Schism took place from 1378 to 1417 and Pope Gregory XII stepped down in 1415. Those were extreme circumstances and led to Major upheavals across all of Europe. Times are different now but, the Catholic Church still has a Huge following especially in Latin America and Africa(combined-60%),it still holds major lands and Monies across the world,it still wields a lot of power internationally, so for anyone not to wonder what is going on within the Church and where this is heading is like sticking our heads in the sand..am glad to see that some like you do realize this is serious and important. Thanks for your answer!
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You're welcome, and yes of course I wonder. I didn't mean to give you the impression that I was focused on whether or not he was telling the truth.. If he is or if he isn't, whatever the reason may be, I think it's very commendable that if he feels he cannot hold up his end of the bargain that he step down. Because it hasn't been done for so long, I'm sure that made the decision even harder to make.. he probably felt he would be treated as an outcast for it. Idk about anyone else, but I would rather he resign than screw things up worse than they may already be. My mom and I were talking about this when the news came out, and she said "I don't know why the elect a pope who's already in is 70's anyway...." As humans, our mental health seriously declines in old age. But whatever...!
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What do your Mother and you see as the most likely consequence and future action(s) of the Church?
I.e. do you think the Church will continue along the traditional path of electing a European Pope or will they choose to elect one from areas where Catholicism is still more vibrant such as the Latin Countries or Africa and by doing so possibly alter the staid - unbendable perception of the Church?
Note I said perception...
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You know, idk... I don't really consider myself as a Catholic anymore.. I was raised as one but in adulthood I've really had to admit to myself that it isn't the religion for me. With that said, my response may not be fair to the whole situation because I haven't kept up with the happenings of the church. But honestly, I think that they'd be more likely to stick with the traditional proceedings.. The Catholic religion is SO old school... I would love to see them expand their horizons, but I'm not sure it's going to happen.
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