Which particular god would that be? If you're talking about the Christian god you must realise that the majority of the world's population don't acknowledge him as a reality. Surely you don't consider that we can't be "good" without him?
Maybe. It's our decision to choose what kind of life to live in and what kind of person we want to be. We can make it to Heaven without someone guiding us there, however, if there was no God, then there would be no Heaven, and we would be totally screwed.
Many people are. One can be a believer in a god, and yet be engaged in the most serious crimes. Others can believe in no god at all and be good, decent people. It's the nature of the person, not the nature of the religion (or lack of it) that makes the difference.
This is one of those loaded questions like "abortion" that you will never get a consensus on an answer. The reason being is because according to most religions you must worship/obey God's word to be saved and only good people are saved. However when you ask someone who is secular they will emphatically say that someone can be good as long as they do good things and not bad things.
My opinion is that people can be good with or without God, but you cannot live a Godly life or a righteous life without God and all that it entails. There are plenty of people who don't steel, hurt other people and hold themselves accountable for their own actions whom I would consider to be good people, but according to most religions being a good person alone isn't enough to be "good" in the proverbial eyes of God.
Of course, it's obvious, how do you think we survived as a species for the last 3 million years? We are a social species and as such we need other humans in order to survive, as a matter of fact most other intelligent social species are much more "good" then we are. Species like wolves, dolphins, elephants, etc. don't go out of their way to kill one another, though it rarely occurs it is not premeditated like we often do, with them fights to the death are almost unheard of, they live and let live as a matter of pack cohesion. This alone debunks the whole "morals come from god" nonsense that people like to believe.
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Ask this question and people's hair stands up. Many religions have some form of God. Thus the first answer stating 90% is wrong. Everyone needs something or something to believe in. God Jesus. and I do use a lg. cap G is the figure head of the christian churches. Even voodooism has a form of God. Faith should be the word; ie. believing in something or someone greater than ourselves/ Being without this is atheism and no, no good comes from that kind of thinking.
Of course. Well over a billion people in the world don't believe in gods, and two thirds of the world doesn't believe in Christianity. Are you seriously thinking there are no good people in all those?
Morality is unrelated to religiosity, as evidenced by the fact that our prisons are chock full of theists. Quite frankly, if you can't be a good person on your own without a deity laying down rules for you, you might be a sociopath.
9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
10 As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one; 11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. 12 They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one.” 13 “Their throat is an open tomb; With their tongues they have practiced deceit”; “The poison of asps is under their lips”; 14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.” 15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood; 16 Destruction and misery are in their ways; 17 And the way of peace they have not known.” 18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Well, Jesus said there s no one good. The Bible says that everyone does wrong. To actually be good without God, you would have to be perfect. As in flawless. Well, Romans 2 talks about How people can be good without Jesus, but its much more difficult. Well, Gby
it is much easier to be good without gods. The idea that goodness can only come from god is perhaps the biggest and most wicked lie of religion. Religions are full of hateful and immoral stuff, which secular society has spent hundreds of years fighting against, so we are now at the point that society gets very little of it's morality from bibles, and much that is in the bible would get you locked up... try selling your daughter or stoning somebody to death and see where it gets you. You would go to prison... you couldn't just pray to a sky daddy and get forgiveness, which is the REAL reason people are good -- real consequences of being bad. The whole idea of Christianity is based on scapegoating, which is morally indefensible.
If you are wondering: HOW good you have to be? Scripture in any religion will never tell you how good you have to be...... To get to any paradise or heaven! Thats why... In the Christian Bibical faith....its not about works. but by faith are ye saved and not of works lest anyone should boast! Every one is on level playing field in the Christian Faith(trust). Whosoever Believes.....
No, FattyLiverGone, No One Is Good Enough 4 Almighty God. He Knows Man's Limitations & Offered His Son To Those Who Choose 2 Believe and Receive Him. -------------------------------- Scripture Quote --------------------------------- We are unfit to worship you; each of our good deeds is merely a filthy rag. We dry up like leaves; our sins are storm winds sweeping us away. You, [Lord], are our Father. We are nothing but clay, but you are the potter who molded us. (ISAIAH 64:6, 8 CEV)
No, it isn't possible. It's called morals. You see, years and years ago people had no morals and they did whatever they wanted to. This did not last long for them because they realized they were getting sick from all of it and they felt it wasn't fair to them. Thus came around with morality. No, it's not possible to be good without god. At the same note, it's not possible to be good at all in any way. A person can't just be good, whether they have a god or not. I am an atheist and I am without a god. I am BECOMING a better person. It's a learning process and one that will never be finished.
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First of all, good is a subjective concept. There are those who think it is good to saw a person's head off for thinking something we think might be good, but they determine to be bad. What this question is addressing is right and wrong in the context of one of various unidentified gods. Certainly there are basic rules of right and wrong that are fairly common across various cultures and traditions, but there is a lot that is not. A Christian or Muslim, for instance, might think it is good to tell a practicing homosexual he is behaving badly, while another (I would say more rational) person would say such a judgement is bad because he is simply being true to his nature, is harming no one, and is at risk of self-destructive tendencies because of that judgement against him. Each theist's concept of what behaviors their particular god expects is not going reflect an exact standard of right and wrong -- just as atheists will also have different ideas of the particulars of right and wrong. The one thing we all have in common is that we all tend to live, to a greater or lesser degree, by some moral code.
Yes, humans are biologically wired to have empathy and a conscience. It has helped our species survive and thrive throughout evolution. Religion is unnecessary to feel empathy, love, compassion and morality.
Mankind has struggled in vain to overcome obstacles that have often embittered him. This has proved that man is not able to solve his problems on his own and that he is in need of counsel and guidance from a superior source. God has shown concern for mankind ever since creation. God wants all mankind to be instructed by Him and to find happiness in following His guidance. For thousands of years, mankind in general has tried to navigate its way through life without divine help. As imperfect humans, we are completely lost. We simply cannot find the road to true peace and happiness. (Jeremiah 10:23) Anyone who tries to direct his own step without accepting qualified help inevitably faces frustration. Truly, mankind needs direction. Jehovah God is supremely qualified to provide direction because he understands better than anyone else the makeup of humans. He is fully aware of how the human race got sidetracked and became lost. He also knows what is required for us to get back on course. As the Creator, Jehovah always knows what is best for us. (Isaiah 48:17;Psalm 32:8)There is no doubt that Jehovah provides the best direction.
Jeremiah 10:23 reads "I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." In this case man EARTHING man is not able to direct his own foot steps. If a person cannot even direct one of the easiest tasks known to mankind by himself, how can man guide his own thinking in the correct way? Proverbs 16:18 tells us "Pride is before a crash, and a haughty spirit befor tumbling."
First "good" is subjective. Good is based on the majority...usually in industrialized countries. Religiously, people believe that a deity created man and everything else so by their view good came from god like everything else. Unbelievers tend to lean toward the instinctual social understanding that killing, stealing, and various other socially unacceptable crimes are not conducive to survival. The people above that stated you won't go to heaven for not achieving this through god must be very knowledgable to speak for the moral decisions of their deity. I would venture to say that you should just do what ever they are doing or say to do as that they are equal in insight, forgiveness and judgement as god. You could also just live your life using your own judgement and hope that based on your biology, upbringing, and experiences hoping that you are not morally inept. Look hard enough and you will find people that think murder is fine, as long as you have a good reason. People don't really understand what good or evil are because all their judgements are based on their own point of view.
If you're talking short-term, many are going about their lives and are in a sense, good. They have businesses that seem to be prospering, they have fancy cars, lucrative careers, are financially well off. Some are not well off, but feel no need to search for God because they feel they're doing just fine without him. The Apostle Matthew stated, “Happy are those conscious of their spiritual need, since the kingdom of the heavens belongs to them. (Matt 5:3) Under inspiration Jeremiah wrote: "I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." (Jer. 10:23) Wise King Solomon wrote: “Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding.”—PROV. 3:5. If we take the time to delve deeper into God's word, we should come to the conclusion that we should not and really cannot reasonably be good without God.
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Because we are created in God's image (Genesis 1:27), surely we have the capacity to show love and do good things. But if you are asking if we can have a life separate from God and be "good", or alright, the bible actually answers that question! At Matthew 11:28-30, there Jesus extends the invitation to come to him. He promises to refresh us; "All who are toiling (working hard-Living Bible) and loaded down." There's not one person on earth that doesnt feel unburdened by world conditions or life in general! Jesus promises us if we become a follower of him, he will reinvigorate or cheer a person; the mind, and spirit. The only way we can find peace and happiness is explained to us at Isaiah 48:17,18. There Jehovah God says he is teaching us to benefit ourselves! 'To cause us to tread in the way in which we should walk' . He pleads with us:"O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace", (which brings happiness) "would become just like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea". Our imperfect flesh causes us to be prone to badness. It's impossible to be really "good", or living a happy, purposeful life, without God! We need him.
God is the only pure good. Even with God we fall short to sin. Being Christian you expect that you need God and believe in Jesus Christ the only human who was truly perfect. But we all have good in us. It is the humanity God has given us. Because God made us in his own image.
According to my personal beliefs: No, because the conscience or 'moral center' that we all have was given to us by God whether we believe in Him or not. Our God-given moral capacity is what makes us created in God's 'image' and separates us from the animals (which operate solely on instinct).
No, I do not think we can. Observe for one day, a daycare class. You will observe that not one child will remain good all day long. Humans are not born to automatically be good. In Genesis 8:21 th bibles states... The Lord smelled the pleasing aroma and said in his heart: “Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done. AND Genesis 4:7-If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it.” Being good is a conscious decision those who are training themselves daily can try to do, so if you are not united with God you will not be inclined to be good. God is the source of all good.
I believe that some people can. You could know the most wonderful, kind hearted person in the world, and they might have never heard of God before. A persons "goodness" isn't determined by their faith/religion.
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Well , I personally don't find the need to be good without any sort of deity. No deity means no judgement of how u've lived. And without any sort of result , why in the world would I limit myself to being "good" ? U live once right ? Why not have all the fun u can? Who's stopping u?No more punisment or prize of any sort so I can do whatever I want without thinking about who gets sacrified in my selfishness.
That's how I would think if I didn't believe in any deity. But that's me u can believe in whatever u like.
Jesus said to the ruler who raised a question to him and called him "Good Teacher", before answering that question he said to him in the bible book of Luke chapter 18 verse 19 "Why do you call me good? Nobody is good, except one, God. The scripture said in Romans 3:23,24 "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom paid by Christ Jesus. So being imperfect we are not good, but we can follow closely the footsteps of Christ .
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It all depends on how you define the word "good". Goodness as spoken of in the Bible is the quality or state of being good; moral excellence; virtue. It is a positive quality and expresses itself in the performance of good and beneficial acts toward others. The most common words for "good" in the Bible are the Hebrew tohv and the Greek agathos'; agathos' is usually used in a moral or religious sense. In regards to this form of "good" Jesus once said," Nobody is good, except one, God." (Mr 10:17,18) He thus recognized God as the ultimate standard of what is good. Goodness is a fruit of God's spirit and of the light from his Word of truth. (Ga 5:22; Eph 5:9) It is to be cultivated by the Christian. Obedience to God's commands develops goodness; no man has goodness on his own merit. (Ro 7:18) The psalmist appeals to God as the Source of goodness: "Teach me goodness, sensibleness and knowledge themselves, for in your commandments I have exercised faith," and, "You are good and are doing good. Teach me your regulations."-Ps 119:66,68.