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itchavelvel: 3 months ago

Catholics publicly condemn evils by the Church(pedophile priests,crusades,etc). Do Muslims publicly condemn Islamic terrorism?

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RainingStar: 3 months ago via iPhone | Last edited at 12:11PM on 2/19/2013

In defense of Muslim clerics who don't speak out, it's simply not safe for them to do so. Fundamentalist terrorist will certainly strike back if they did.
Of course, the fact that they advocate being martyrs for their faith would make you think that at least some of them would be willing to speak out for the truth. I guess the whole concept of martyrdom is more popular among fundamentalists then among moderate Muslims.
I don't mean that to sound disrespectful. I have respect for the devotion of most Muslims. I do admit that I am frustrated by the deafening silence from Muslim moderates concerning terrorism. I wonder if we will see much condemnation of terrorism from them even in a safe environment like this forum.

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itchavelvel: 3 months ago

regarding your first sentence- so its relatively safe in the USA- first amendment rights, theywould be supported by the vast majority of Americans, for them to speak out and they still don't. That makes me wonder if they really are being taught to assist the established of Sharia law in the USA or in the whole world for that matter.

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RainingStar: 3 months ago via iPhone

Tell that to the Muslim cleric who was murdered by fundamentalists in Tucson, Az about ten years ago for simply changing a sign that said "happiness is submission to God" to instead read "happiness is devotion to God" because he thought it was a better English translation.
Terrorists care nothing for the protection offered by US laws.

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RainingStar: 3 months ago via iPhone

I should say I agree with your comment in general but did want to make that point.

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Suzie17: 3 months ago via iPhone

I actually found this question offensive. Talk about the catholic pot calling the Muslim kettle black!

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itchavelvel: 3 months ago

I don't represent the church and I"m not defending the church. I believe that ANY religion that teaches its followers that their way is the RIGHT and ONLY way to live and to believe is wrong, dangerous, and can (and has) promulgated long epochs of violence and inhumanity. Beheadings and stonings to death(Muslim) are still practiced today. Being burned at the stake (Catholic) was just as brutal. You gotta be nuts to be a TRUE BELIEVER and KILL OTHERS because you were taught to believe that your specific versions of the meaning of life, the creation of the world, and the concept of God, are the only correct explanations. But no living human being really knows the truth. Believing that everyone but the believer should be killed or will be punished, seems to be a common theme in many religions, and gives rise to barbaric behavior.

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CalTex: 3 months ago

Well said, itchavelvel.

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FunnyLittleFrog: 3 months ago

The Catholic church hid the pedophilia for a long time.

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Suzie17: 3 months ago via iPhone

Not any more than the Catholics did, for REAL....

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RainingStar: 3 months ago via iPhone

The Catholics always publicly condemned pedophiles, though they did secretly protect many priests who were guilty of it. A public condemnation of terror from Muslim clerics would be nice.

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Suzie17: 3 months ago via iPhone

Oh they publicly condemn but denied they were in their churches. My point is, this person is wrong.

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Suzie17: 3 months ago via iPhone

Oh I see what you're saying. Maybe the difference between them and the Catholics is hypocrisy?? Maybe?

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RainingStar: 3 months ago via iPhone

I don't know. My experience when studying the Koran with moderate Muslims twenty odd years ago, there was a tolerance of the terrorist tactics because of their perceived injustice against Palestinians and other Muslims. Even in private the attitude seemed to be "terrorism is wrong, but understandable."
I never saw the kind of outrage I expected of them. Now that terrorism is so much more rampant in the world I'd hoped there would be more outcry, but there seems only to be silence.

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RainingStar: 3 months ago via iPhone

I'm not surprised that the Muslims in this group aren't saying a word. Kind of proves my point.

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Suzie17: 3 months ago via iPhone

I agree but you misunderstood me. I'm saying they are not speaking against because they really are not against. That's why I say they're less hypocritical. They aren't saying one thing while doing another...unlike the Catholics.... You see what I'm saying?

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RainingStar: 3 months ago via iPhone

Yes, but although there were many instances of catholic priest pedophiles, it wasn't the normal or accepted practice. They were sick creeps who tried to hide what they were doing.

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Suzie17: 3 months ago via iPhone

Right. That's what I mean by hypocrites. They did it while condemning it.

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Suzie17: 3 months ago via iPhone

I just don't like the question. There's no reason to celebrate anything about the catholic church.

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RainingStar: 3 months ago via iPhone

I've known many good Catholics who do good works through their church.
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Pedophile priests are a horrible abomination, but they certainly aren't the only measure to judge the Catholic Church by.

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Suzie17: 3 months ago via iPhone

I was raised in that church. There are some good Catholics but the govt is horrible. Rev 13....

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Tractortug: 3 months ago

NO Catholics don't. Get over yourself (and your Church) Regarding Muslims, No. they don't seem to apologize. Even the moderate ones. They all look the other way.

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MissMostly: 3 months ago via iPhone

They look the other way bc they really don't condemn it!!

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itchavelvel: 3 months ago

exactly/

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IMShady: 3 months ago

Wow. What a great question and I'll be anxious to see the responses. The Koran specifically prohibits the acts performed by terrorists but you seldom see Islamic leaders coming out and condemning these people. They are hijacking the religion by using it as a pretense for supporting their radical positions and getting followers to think they are fighting the infidels in the name of their religion.

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MissMostly: 3 months ago via iPhone

Islam is a bloody religion!! There is nothing peaceful about it that's why no one speaks out about terrorism!!

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CalTex: 3 months ago

A major tenet of Islam is order; that chaos is the antithesis of godliness. The schisms which do exist, as we all know, are a major thorn in the side of Muslims who go so far as to kill each other in an attempt to restore order to their faith by attempting to annihilate the offending sect causing chaos within that faith. Knowing this, it is understandable why clerics might be reluctant to speak out strongly against a faction of Islam that feels they are doing God's will by fighting infidels in the course of protecting their faith from ungodly outside influences. They are attempting to avoid chaos within the religion. Avoiding chaos is more important than be being judged civil by a society they see as evil in many ways.

I don't think what Islam is doing is any worse than what Christianity was doing at the relative time in their history. It has been about 1,300 years since Islam came on the scene. Think about the horrors Christianity was inflicting on humanity in the 14th century. This is not making an excuse for Islam. That is an indictment of all revealed religions. This is what they do.

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CalTex: 3 months ago | Last edited at 12:17PM on 2/19/2013

I think Raining Star makes a good point. The clerics who do speak out against Islamic terrorists (and there are plenty of other kinds, you know) are found in more westernized countries where the risk of an over whelming backlash is minimal. In other words, it's safe to do so. But those who do speak out have been doing so since September 11, 2001, unlike the Catholic Church which as taken over half a century to fess up to its immoral behavior--and even though there was virtually no expectation of risking bodily harm.

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RainingStar: 3 months ago via iPhone

I agree with what your saying, but what ever dirty laundry the Catholic Church was hiding, they always publicly denounced pedophiles.
It would be nice to at least see the same level of public condemnation from the Islamic community.

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Tractortug: 3 months ago

Oh yes there was (is) bodily harm...... on the innocent kids who have been molested (and ignored)

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VickyCaramel: 3 months ago

Should 'Muslims' condemn for the acts of some extremists or does it go without saying for most of us? Should you condemn for the actions of Anders Behring Breivik? Or Lord's Resistance Army? Or maybe the Klu Klux Klan? You can, I'm sure you would if asked... but do you go around doing it all the time? Have you ever felt the need to make a public announcement to condemn the actions of Christians who may not even be from the same branch of Christianity as you?

If asked, I am sure most would condemn terrorism.

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RainingStar: 3 months ago via iPhone

Yes, most Christians and their clergy do denounce such acts. Your right that they don't frequently comment on historic acts unless asked, but current outrages by nuts proclaiming themselves Christians are instantly and openly denounced by the vast majority of Christians.
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Can you give me an example of something in the news that you think they have remained silent about?

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Dodgy: 3 months ago | Last edited at 1:35PM on 2/19/2013

I have no doubt that grass roots Catholics are horrified by the Church's widespread pedophilia but for you to infer that the Catholic Church condemns the practice is far off the mark.

In Australia at present a wide-ranging inquiry is being conducted into pedophilia in religious and community schools and organisations which cater for children. The Sydney Morning Herald (a paper as respected as the NY Times or the Washington Post) gained access to "thousands of pages" of church records dealing with pedophilia. All these criminals have been moved to other parishes and schools and their past covered up. The church does not refer to them as paedophiles but as "sexual line crossers".

Do you really think Pope Benedict abdicated because of ill health? He was almost certainly pushed out in the face of mounting world outrage over pedophilia because of his previous complicity.

Sure, the average Catholic is outraged as, I'm sure, the average Muslim is horrified by the terrorist element that contaminates one of the world's great religions. The average Muslim, and I've known quite a few personally, is a decent citizen who would have no part of murdering people.

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wickedpissah: 3 months ago

1. The catholic church only publicly "condemned" their evil-doings because the courts ordered them to.
2. The catholic church covered up the rampant pedophilia and corruption in its ranks for centuries! They went to extreme lengths to hide their evil-doings.
3. I have never heard of the catholic church publicly apologizing for the Crusades.
4. Muslims are not the only terrorists. Timothy McVeigh was a christian and a terrorist. The man who murdered Dr Tiller while he knelt at prayer in church is a christian and a terrorist. The Ku Klux Klan is a christian organization and a terrorist group. Northern Ireland was torn apart by two opposing groups of christian terrorists.
5. Muslims publicly condemn terrorism just as much, if not more, than christians do.

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itchavelvel: 3 months ago

I agree with 1 through 4, but i am not familiar with even one prominent american-muslim who vociferously condemns acts of islamic terrorists. I have seen many prominent american christians, catholics, jews, budhists, agnostics, and atheists, condemn acts of islamic terrorists as well as members of their own faith.

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wickedpissah: 3 months ago

The fact that you haven't seen or heard them says more about you than it does about them.
I have seen them. I have heard them.
If you haven't, then either you haven't been looking or you haven't been listening.

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itchavelvel: 3 months ago

Its true that i haven't been looking or listening for that specific issue. But neither was I looking or listening for the people of other faiths condemning the terrorists . Please provide an example where I can see this for myself. (eg. on you tube or somewhere else on the web)

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