1 year ago
Last edited at 11:20AM on 2/20/2013
The question is raised because of the two stories told in 1 Samuel 17:50 and in 2 Samuel 21:19. The question is further confounded by 1 Chronicles 20:5, that argues that Elhanan killed the brother of Goliath, not Goliath himself. We of course cannot know for sure, but the most likely events to me are the following. Indeed Elhanan son of Yaari killed Goliath. When the boom of Samuel was written (long time after the events) the House of David was in power, and the editor found it worthy to tell the story such that it glorifies the monarchy. It could be that such attempts started early in David's rule. When Samuel was compiled in its final form, many small pieces that were excluded from the main story were included towards the end, most likely so that they are not lost. The original tradition of Elhanan was one of them. Furthermore, there are good reasons to believe that 2 Sam. talks about the same war and same event as 1 Sam. As for Chronicles, it is well known that it was commissioned by supporters of the Davidic monarchy and that some unflattering stories of David were removed from Chronicles. It is likely that in that book the text on Elhanan was changed in several ways to make it look like it was David: the reference to the same war was weakened, the hometown of Elhanan was changed to the supposed name of Goliath's brother, and even the nane of Elhanan's father, Yaari (Hebrew: Y 'A R Y) was written with a smaller font for the 'A, so that it would look like Yishai (Y Sh Y), the name of David's father. It appears to me David and Elhanan were likely related (both came from Bethlehem), maybe cousins, and early on the story was changed to glorify David. As I was saying, that's my opinion, but many scholars support it too.
The Bible says David killed him.. I choose to believe it.. 1st Samuel 17.... 49 And David put his hand in his bag, and took thence a stone, and slang it, and smote the Philistine in his forehead, that the stone sunk into his forehead; and he fell upon his face to the earth. 50 So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and with a stone, and smote the Philistine, and slew him; but there was no sword in the hand of David. 51 Therefore David ran, and stood upon the Philistine, and took his sword, and drew it out of the sheath thereof, and slew him, and cut off his head therewith. And when the Philistines saw their champion was dead, they fled.
It as Elhanan. The Bible claims that it was David that did that but when you take history class you'll learn it was Elhanan. And Elhanan and David are two different people. In some places, the Bible is actually wrong.
It's confusing when a person tries to apply the standards of verifiable history to understand stories of slaying giants in mythology. If you're interested in stories about giants, I'm sure the various tales of Paul Bunyan are less confused or contradictory.
1 year ago
Last edited at 4:38PM on 2/20/2013
I think Lior covered it very well, the point is, that the bible was altered to tell a different story then had happened in the original story. I have heard apologists try and state that David killed Goliath and Elhanan killed Goliath's brother.
Be careful not to start sounding like the JW i once talked to that were disagreeing as to wheather it was a tree or cross that Jesus died on. Skip over the confussing parts and go to the main theme of the Bible! Putting your trust in God of your Salvation.
3 months ago
Last edited at 3:23AM on 12/6/2013
The bible states David was supposed to bring Goliaths head...but he had no sword in his hand when Goliath fell so that means Goliath wasnt dead from Davids attempt. The bible also mentions that Elhanan killed the Phillistine known as Goliath.......Remember the first time David stepped foward, king Saul said he was to young to fight Goliath bcuz Goliath was a warrior and a murderer....This shows that Davids life was political to some sort cuz after he so called slayed the giant, the giant popped up again. But when Elhanan slayed the giant, the giant never appeared again...Facts...read that book in depth.....Lamhi was no brother of Goliath....
Elhanan did (2 Sam. 21:19)- "And there was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver?s beam."