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ZOSO

Wouldn't abolishing bars or at least entrapment laws be the the most effective way to curb drinking and driving?

DUI laws and education alone barely put a dent in the problem. Why not stop it before it happens?

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Do you have any idea how much that would cost ? The Liquor companies are like the Tobacco companies , loaded with money to stop that from happening . Remember , we had Prohibition once ! It only made it worse ! You want to put more people out of work ? I agree with your concept , but it will never happen . Sorry !

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The government makes a boatload of money on the taxes as well.
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rustyboilerz
Great answer Duke. History tends to repeat itself. Why haven't most learned that simple fact.
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dustee
star answer..
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We'll just have another Al Capone ! Guess he doesn't watch Boardwalk Empire on HBO !
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ZOSO
Again. I didn't say prohibition. Can't you folks read?
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We all read ! Do you ? Otherwise you would know that it's just gotten worse . There isn't enough cops , you'll put places of business out of business , more unemployment , loss of taxes , ain't going to happen . Bad , iknow , as I don't drink , but it's a lost cause . The fines and jail time is getting harsher , but you're never going to stop it all !
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ZOSO
I agree.
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ZOSO
Why not do away with entrapments. Lots more folks would call cabs if they knew the odds of getting caught were against them. Don't ya think?
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Zoso, I think the odds already are against drunk drivers. Seriously, look at the statistics-- our drunk driving rate has gone way down since, say, the 1980's. Although I think we can do even better. Stricter laws and much larger fines for offenders-- though fines are already hefty, not to mention how expensive insurance rates are for offenders
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No. have you ever heard about the abolition? they tried that and it just raised crime rates.

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ZOSO
I didn't say anything about prohibition. Outlawing public consumption is not outlawing alcohol. But bars full of people drinking and driving away. Cops can't wait outside to pull them over even though they are more than likely over the legal limit. They have to wait until they spot someone driving erratically or called to the scene of an accident before they can do anything. That implies it's ok to drink and drive as long as you "drive cool" and don't get caught. Does VERY little to reduce drunk driving. About as effective as bandaid on a shotgun wound.
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What about all if the people that work at bars? Just lay them off? Maybe have a cab company that goes specifically to bars and are called by bar tenders.
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ZOSO
Well if I get hit by a drunk driver on my way home tonight I guess I can take comfort in knowing that the bar he was at keep folks employed.
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ZOSO
Why not do away with entrapment laws. Lots more folks would call cabs if they knew the odds of getting caught were against them. Don't ya think?
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Entrapment?
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ZOSO
Cops can't sit across the street and watch you pull away from a bar. That's entrapment and isn't considered fair play. You remove that law then you'll a lot more cab rides.
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True.
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They tried prohibition in the old days,and it only made more crime.(gangsters got rich and famous back then)

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Learn your history. It has already been tried.

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ZOSO
Read the question closer. I didn't say anything about prohibition.
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I can't see how that would help, I am for free breathalyzer test before you leave the bar.

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There are two components to driving under the influence...the driving and the influence. If we get rid of motor vehicles, that would also solve the problem.

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There's too much money in the manufacturing and selling of alcohol, especially taxes, for there to be prohibition. DUI punishment is VERY severe, if people dont learn from others mistakes, its their own fault

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ZOSO
Yea but who is paying the price for their repeated mistakes? The innocent public. And until they start attacking the problem before it happens instead of only after the fact it will stay the same. If strict punishment alone on crime worked death row would be empty.
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He doesn't say anything about banning alcohol, just bars.... No, people would drink at home or at parties and such. At least at a bar, there's a bartender to call for a taxi. It's a socially acceptable risk, I guess.

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ZOSO
Yea but most of time when a DUI happens there was a bar involved. Sire you'd still have the occasional party goer or beer run. If we have bars why not do away with entrapments laws. Lots more folks would call cabs if they knew the odds of getting caught were against them. Don't ya think?
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What do you mean "barely put a dent in the problem"? Not only should you learn your history about prohibition, but learn to google statistics on the reduction of drunk driving and drunk driving related deaths since strict laws have been introduced

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Give em hell , Sas !!!
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Bingo!
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ZOSO
Did I say prohibition? Read closer. And last I heard statistics show the number is still unacceptably high.
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ZOSO
And why give me hell, mr Wayne? Just asking a question...
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ZOSO
No one can deny that the numbers have decreased but they still happen all the time. If fatalities are down that could be for several reasons other than just strict laws. I think there are fewer falling down drunks on the road but driving while impaired is alive and thriving. Barroom parking lots are packed on Sat night and empty at sunrise Sun morning so don't tell me the current approach to drunk driving is working. I don't care what you read from Google searches. And how do you know they are accurate?
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Her answer was great ! If you want to argue , I'm not in the least interested ! I said all I'm going to say !
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ZOSO
Argue, debate. I'm just defending my point. You people have been hostile from the get go.
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I'm sorry Zoso, I didn't mean to be hostile. Peace, my friend
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whatisnext
Sas, you offered a good example. @Zoso, when you said abolish bars, many people think prohibition, even though you did not say anthing about getting rid of all alcohol. The problem is not the alcohol - people are the problem and until we can crack down, starting with underage drinking with stricter probation and community service for them, increase the drinking age to 21 in states that are 18 can be a few way to help.
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ZOSO is no longer with us on Ask.com, the account has been closed :(
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dustee

Education and personal responsibility and longer harsher jail sentences would work better.

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ZOSO
Yea. If that were true we wouldn't have so many repeat offenders of murder, rape etc.
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dustee
its because they get 50 years and get out in 7....
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ZOSO
True lol
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Your information is incorrect as Sasquatch pointed out. If you really want to promote a cause why not try getting trans-dermal alcohol detectors installed in all new cars? The technology exists, it could be located in the steering wheel. That way people would be free to do as they wish but their car would not start if they were above the legal limit.

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Damn good idea !
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Thanks! The tech has been around for a decade but the auto lobby has fought it due to the increased cost of installing it, which of course would be past on to the consumer, and there by reduce sales. That's how they see it anyways.
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ZOSO
I think that would be great too. Also why not do away with entrapments laws. Lots more folks would call cabs if they knew the odds of getting caught were against them. Don't ya think?
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No entrapment is immoral, and can lead to abuse by law enforcement in other areas simply to increase funding through fines paid.
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Great points Calu!
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Thanks Yosi! I hope you're feeling better :)
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I went to work today, but the boss said I should/needed to go home......I have been in bed all day. I brought the laptop into bed with me. So........indirectly so are you. ;0)
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Sweet!!! :P** *
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You did not specifically say the word prohibition, but abolishing drinking establishments was a major part of prohibition....that is why you are getting flack about prohibition. Prohibition did not stop anyone from drinking or driving drunk, it did not even curb drinking; therefore abolishing drinking establishments would not do anything at all.

As stated by others, entrapment laws are immoral and a basis for abuse by those in charge. Basically entrapment laws are just a way for the government to get more money from the tax payers.

Your only other question was regarding drunk driving as well. I can only assume you or someone you know was involved in a DUI incident. I can honestly tell you that the laws we have go work. I live in LA County in California. People get killed in traffic related accidents all the time. Sometimes it is due to alcohol, but most times it is not. Driving accidents are almost always caused by people not paying attention to what they were doing.

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I read all of your comments above. Are you worried about getting hit by a drunk driver? There are a ton of things that could kill you as soon as you walk outside your door.......or even if you did not leave your home.

The only thing developed which "may" curb drunk driving is what Caluvox suggested. But I am sure that as soon as it is implemented, people will find away around it....they always do.

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All very true Yosi.
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Very good ! Very VERY good !
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Thanks guys *<]:0)
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He wants to argue now , so I'm gone . Have fun ! Hope you get better ynp !
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ZOSO
No lost a loved one to drunk driver. Nice try though.
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ZOSO
Thanks for all you peoples point of view though :)
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I am sorry to hear that you lost a loved one.

However, your idea of abolishing bars and/or putting entrapment laws on the books has been tried and does not work. That IS what prohibition was all about. The people who drive drunk would still find a way to do so.
Unfortunately, most people who are tipsy (or even blotto drink) do/will not call cabs. I do understand your anguish. What would work for you will not work for everyone as they will see it as an infringement upon their rights. It is a tough one to solve.
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whatisnext

Like guns, the problem is not the alcohol, but the person who chooses to drink and drive. Though I'm not one to increase government, implementing new laws, i,e,, increasing the drinking age to 21, strict probation and community service for first time DUI, and for underage drinkers. Crack down on underage drinking at college and universities.

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