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If an omniscient being existed, wouldn't it make sense that it would transcend having primitive and negative emotions such as anger?

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That would make sense Torngren, that's just another reason why all these man made gods with human emotions make no sense. But generations after generations of conditioning have convinced people that it doesn't matter, and they spend there entire lives not thinking about it. A belief is a drug, it doesn't have to make sense as long as it makes you feel good.

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. ."opium of the people" indeed.
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Yes, on many levels.
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Great answer. I particularly like your last sentence.
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Thanks! Now that Torgren has reminded me of that quote I could have just used it to get my message across ;)
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Your message always gets across, Caluvox:)
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Thank you Torngren =) I sometimes worry that I over think things and that my mind doesn't allows convey it properly to my fingers :-/
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Yep. I rarely get angry. It comes with Buddhist training.

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. ."opium of the people" indeed.
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^^Sorry meant for Caluvox. What does your training consist of?
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I read the original texts translated into English (very brief really,Herman Hess)) and filter out the supernatural add-ons. Have visited many temples for fun and do not do much more except train myself not to act with impulse like anger. Buddhism is really a philñosophy and a way of life in the original form.
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I've written something similar before, but it applies here, so I'll paraphrase myself.
If there were some omniscient, omnipotent, sky deity it would be so far beyond our ability to comprehend as to be a joke. It was human nature to personify things we could not understand- For example, lightning is frightening so we personified it to give it meaning we could understand and called it Zeus.
We personified another deity and called it God. But if one did exist, it would likely think on infinite levels and who's to say what would be most important to such an entity? It would probably regard humans as humans do ants, and humans might not even be on the radar of said entity. Viruses or butterflies might mean more, if anything, to a deity.

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I agree with you.
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Very true, it's our capacity for empathy that causes us to personify things in the world, lightning and volcanoes are no exception.
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Why? He gave us emotions why should He not have them as well? Why and how does omniscience automatically preclude emotion of any sort? Our understanding and labeling of His emotions are probably inaccurate but if He can be 'happy' then He can also be 'angry'. Omniscience and omnipotence do not have to preclude emotion. Why would God need to be unemotional? God is not a sociopath!

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Emotions are intrinsically human traits. An all powerful being wouldn't need or desire anything. Doesn't the creation of something fill an empty space, whether it's a piece of art or a tool to do a job correctly? So what could a god be missing, to have created us? Wouldn't that make it *not* omniscient?
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Sociopath- " A person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is anti-social and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
-There was a picture of god next to this definition..
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I'm with you HaiMai, but I follow the thread of thought she implied in her answer. No need to pick her apart. . .yet:) I welcome all answers.
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You're getting my actual feeling on God. (Not that I believe.) But this is how I interpret writings of God's actions. I do take your point, though, :).
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The higher emotions of love, mercy, charity, sympathy, etc. are not dependent on the baser emotions of anger, hatred, revenge, etc. A god could/would have the higher emotions without the base emotions.
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It's entirely possible, certainly. And likely In a way (Hypothetically). For a God to exist, it must have evolved past the baser things.. My feeling is that the omniscient deity we are speaking of in this hypothetical would probably have evolved past emotion altogether. At least emotion the way humans view/feel them. It's just a thought of course, but I'm wondering if the kind of advanced thinking a god would be capable of would naturally cause a disconnect for emoting..
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I don't know if this makes sense, but in a way, our emotions as humans are based upon values. (Jealousy, envy, etc).
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Oh I completely agree HaiMai, if a supernatural force exists in the universe (or out) I doubt it would even be sentient.
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Particularly since a great deal of human emotion is both evolutionary and biochemical. How does a being have a biochemical reaction like anger or jealousy without physical form?

It doesn't, that's how.


And HaiMai hit the nail on the head- any human acting like the Judeo-Christian god is depicted would be diagnosed a sociopath or even psychopath.
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I'm sorry, cal, I don't follow?
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I doubt it would be self aware, it would not know it was an it. It would be more like a force or energy, like gravity or electricity.
Of course I don't believe in this concept either. In addition to what Kitten just brought up, I'm just pointing out how a human modeled god makes no sense.
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Oic- That is interesting, and makes your point, thank you.
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Because if God is perfect, he cannot have emotions other than love , because then he'd make mistakes. We all know emotions cause mistakes.. often...
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His anger is justified because it is directed to people who do evil things.
In the old testament He killed people that sacrificed babies to demon Gods.
And fed christians to the lions.

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Doesn't that strike you as odd that something so knowledgeable and wise could have a temper?
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No
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Why not? I'm not seeking a confrontation, only curious how my question might be answered in a way that made sense to me.
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God is Holy .. He hates sin.. If we do evil .. He MUST punish.
I would not serve Him if He said .. Thats OK sweetie... Go ahead and feed the christian to the lions. People dont honor and reverance God enough .. He is HOLY
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I would never call Him.. Something!!
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Anger, hatred, revenge, jealousy, all the baser emotions are related to fear, a god should not be afraid of anything, should it?
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A great number of these allegedly "evil" people your god was angry with did nothing more than believe in a different religion.
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Betty, I'm just curious. What do you think about the fact that god, according to the bible, demanded blood sacrifices himself? So, it wasn't just demon gods demanding sacrifice. Your thoughts?
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Hai : one must be of a spirit mind to discern.. Life is in the blood... Animals .. Not humans shed blood atonement . Then in the new testament: Jesus Himself shed blood to end ALL blood sacrifice.
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There Are Some Evils Such As
During The Time Pharaoh
Refused To Let God's
People Go. That An-
gered God. H e
Gave Th e m
Chances 2
Comply.
Merci-
ful.


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God, Like Any Good Parent
Is Very, Very Protective
Of Those Who Belong
To Him., Don't
Make Him
Angry.
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Scripture Quote
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AFTERWARD MOSES and Aaron went in and told Pharaoh, Thus says
the Lord, the God of Israel, Let My people go, that they may hold a feast to Me in
the wilderness.
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But Pharaoh said, Who is the Lord, that I should obey His
voice to let Israel go? I know not the Lord, neither will I let Israel go. (Exodus 5:1, 2 AMP)
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First of all, Exodus never actually happened. The Israelites were never held in Egypt, who didn't even have slaves until Greek rule.

Second, how is it merciful to punish an entire nation, including the slaughtering of infants and children, for something their leader allegedly did? That's like firebombing America and murdering half our children because of something the President does.
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And I'm a good parent, but that doesn't mean it's ok for me to beat up kids if they make fun of my son.
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Great points psalmsbody
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I guess no one wants to respond to Skeptikittens last comment on this. It seems that scriptural excuses are no match for high morals. I can almost picture the look of shame on their faces after reading that. Thanks for breaking it down, Skeptikitten.
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Remaining Focused On The
Original Question, Y e s
An Omniscient God
Can Be Driven
To Anger.
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PS The Omnicient God
Of Abraham Majors
in The Emotion
Of Love.
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So then Psalm you are saying that the Egyptians where not created by god, that it only created the Jews? Because if it created all of them then it was acting as Kitten stated and was punishing some of its children for no real reason, only to benefit its other children, I don't understand? It must be one or the other.
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Like I Just Wrote, I'm
Remaining Focused
On The Original
Question.
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You're ignoring valid problems with your claims because you have no rational response, relying instead on denial.
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Maybe Be Valid ...
B u t Another
Question.
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No, this line of thought is actually quite too the point Psalm. If we assume god created all humans, then the question of emotion is raised. Why would it chose to love some of its children and hate others? As Kitten pointed out we humans would not act that way, so why do we suppose a higher being would be less loving or accepting of all its creations as we are?
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He's got a great a point, psalm.
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Exactly- the question was about emotions, you claimed your god loves. We are illustrating that by your own Scriptures this is not the case.
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I Have Responded To
TomGren' Original
Question.
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I can understand your apprehension toward responding to these questions Psalm. There is no logical out come for the believer, faith requires a certain amount of blindness and blissful ignorance. (no offense intended, just speaking as a former believer)
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I Don't Have A Problem
With Faith In My God.
He Rewards it
Regularly &
Greatly.
LOL
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Original question or not- you made claims that can be shown incorrect or just plain silly. And now you're dodging.
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Psalm, you know my position on this, but I do appreciate your response. Thank you.
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Hi Tom, Thank You So
Much For Flexibility
Shown T o M e.
Appreciated
Greatly.
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What is your thought on this Betty?
God accepts human sacrifices.
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32, 34, 38, 39.

I had to look up some things for someone else, so I went ahead and got these as well, because I'm curious as to your thoughts.
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To:HaiMai ,
In Genesis 22, God was testing Abraham's FAITH.
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In 1sam! God is his Banner! Whom all men of God fight under!
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In Judges 11/ God was demonstratingthe fact that you need to be careful what you ask God for!
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An omniscient being would have no need to test anyone, since it already knows the outcome. If it knows the outcome and tests them anyway, it's not benevolent.
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Well thanks, Lily. But I was asking Betty because I am curious to know what she thinks about in terms of bible contradictions. But the fact that you addressed this is cool because it shows initiative.
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Speaking of contradictions, there are many, and we cannot deny that fact.
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@Skep, Agree. If it knows the outcome and "tests" anyway, we know the definition to apply to it.
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I could use it but I'd probably be censored. But it starts with a synonym for donkey and ends with "hole".
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ROFLMAo!!! :) :)
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If to be omniscient is to know all there is to know it seems to me that the absence of feelings like anger would leave a void in all that knowing.
After all isn't the way we relate to our surroundings and our interactions at least partially based on primitive and negative emotions, ie. fear, anger. Some of which may have real life consequences for us. Why would an omniscient being be any different?

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We're on opposite sides concerning this, but I truly like your answer.
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Imbuing supernatural deities with human emotions is evidence that gods are created in the image of man.

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If The Omniscient Being Has No
Covenant or Rules of Con-
duct Such As Those In
The New Testament;
Just Like A Good
Parent, Anger
Occasion-
ally Hap-
pens.

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Or jealousy, or wrath. Throwing fits like a petulant toddler when it doesn't get its way.

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It's downright scary, how hardly anyone ever challenges your answers, and how they stop responding to you once you warm up. But you must get terribly bored, lol.
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Sometimes, but the educator in me keeps trying anyway.
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The educator in you earns much appreciation.
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Read the 10 commandments# 1
One God only.
Man was made in His image!
He is a jealous God!
He who has created this universe and all things in it FOR us..... Should be praised and worshipped!
He has a right to be a jealous God!
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Interesting that you think quoting a book we don't think has any veracity is actually an argument.

Also- it doesn't say there is one god only. If you read the earliest copies of Exodus, it is clear that the early Israelites believed that there were many gods and that theirs was simply the most powerful. Which of course makes sense since Jehovah was originally a minor sky deity in the Canaanite pantheon, one of the 70 sons of El Elyon, whom the Hebrews adopted as their patron when they broke off from the Canaanite tribes in the 14-15th centuries BCE.
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No it totally makes sense that an all powerful being is a pouty, whiny and cruel tantrum thrower.

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Truth, I don't mean to gush, but for some reason, your descriptive style always seems to play like a movie in my mind. Thank you for responding:)
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That's sweet. I often imagine things as a movie so that actually adds up. I see everything as scenes sometimes and see people's words as a script. life is art to me. I am a very visual person so when I describe things it's usually because I am imagining them first :) Your welcome and thank you for noticing.
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