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Why do JW say Jesus is the archangel Michael? That makes no sense to what pretty much all the bible says

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Jesus is not Michael the archangel. The Bible nowhere identifies Jesus as Michael (or any other angel, for that matter). Hebrews 1:5-8 draws a clear distinction between Jesus and the angels, "For to which of the angels did God ever say, 'You are my Son; today I have become your Father'? Or again, 'I will be His Father, and He will be my Son'?" No angel is ever worshiped in Scripture; therefore, Jesus (worthy of worship) cannot be Michael or any other angel (not worthy of worship). The angels are called sons of God (Genesis 6:2-4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7), but Jesus is THE Son of God (Hebrews 1:8; Matthew 4:3-6). Michael the archangel is a powerful angel, but still only an angel.
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That's right;) *high five* haha
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Stars are on your eyes *****
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Another star!!!
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It's to disprove the Trinity...the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit

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So sad-_-
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JW? What's that?

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I think Jehovah witnesses
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Oh. What the hell??
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Yea Jehovah's witnesses
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Yeah it's Jehovah's witnesses - I am one
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Because it's what they believe

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Well duh haha but it's so contrary to scripture
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"Arch" mean "chief" or "principal," which implies that there is only one archangel, the chief angel. 1 Thessalonians 4:16 speaks of the authority of the archangel, and does so in reference to the resurrected Jesus Christ. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first." (KJV) The only name directly associated with the word archangel is that of Michael.

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Ur implying that Jesus descends, shouts and blows the trump all at the same time... Read the book of Hebrews to see tht Jesus is superior to all of the angels. And how he was a real human being... The bible says Jesus was the son of God and how he made himself equal with God.. In the book of John he said, before Abraham was, I AM! He's using Gods name that he told Moses...when Jesus had risen he showed Thomas his wounds and he said, my lord an my God!...at his birth all the angels bowed down to him...many many times through out his life he received worship...angels can't receive worship, u can see that in revelation when John falls to the feet of the angel but he rebuked him! Jesus sits now at the right hand of the father, the bible says that he was with God before the world began and all things made through him...I could go on forever but Jesus IS the son of God and is the same as God.,, even the teachers of the law understood his claims... He is not the archangel Michael!
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They also changed some of the words in their bible. For instane the scripture you just quoted really say this.


1 Thessalonians 4:16

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

notice it says "an" instead of "the' in which is found in The New World Translation of their bible.

Also. In John 1:1-3 Where It says " And the Word was God" their bible says And the Word was "a" God.
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I know, my sister in law gave me one of their bibles thinking she would convince me that JW was the "true way", that's what they say instead of the "truth."
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JamesKaeberle
Amen! If you go to biblegateway and look at all the different versions their is the only one that's not listed.
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Yes Amen!
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It's what they believe. You can't even prove Jesus is real let alone prove he wasn't a angel.

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There is not ONE..not ONE credible historian that denies that Jesus was a person...
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They did prove Jesus was real weather he was an angel is up to you to believe
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Actually there are many credible historians that question a historical Jesus, since there is ZERO contemporary historical evidence he existed, his "story" mirrors much older myths of the region, and even the texts written about him (all decades after the fact by people who were never there) contradict.
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I personally don't need evidence, that's why I call what I have "faith" it's not a religion, I've just seen in my own life and the lives of others what happens when we follow the teachings of Jesus, and trust and put our faith in him, I'm a ( non denominational ) Christian, I'm convinced without a shadow of doubt he exists in my life, if anyone knew me before they would agree that I needed help, I found that help in Jesus, he did for me what I couldn't do for myself.
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Some of us logical folk aren't willing to believe in extraordinary magical claims based on nothing more than the fuzzy feelings of people who already believe it.
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Amen! BxVigilant. How's things going with you?
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Great James, I'm blessed, how about you?
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Doing good brother doing good. Thanks! I'm in the midwest and for the first time in many years we're gettig snowed in. lol Blizzard warnings out for the next couple of days possibily to wednesday.
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Yeah, lol, I know the Midwest gets some extreme weather, bundle up brother
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Yes I'm definiately staying warm. lol The wife and I are on disability so we don't go anywhere unless we have to. Got plenty of food so we're good. lol
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Because they have their own Bible (The New World Translation) in which they changes some of the scriptures and they go by The Watchtower Society and not The True Word Of God. ( The Bible )

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Yup, you got it...
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Amen!! The king James bible is the only bible for me
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Amen! I use the NKJV which isn't to much different. It takes out the Thee's and the Thy's.
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I'll check that out, that would probably be a good study bible for me, I've heard some of the others bibles like the NIV take some things out of content or flat out remove some things
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Yes indeed you need to stay away from the NIV. for sure. I would do a study on all versions so you know which ones are OK. Some of the Old Versions are good like Tyndale and Wycliffe
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JW's believe that Jesus is the subservient son of God, not God, they believe He is a mighty God but not the Almighty God. They have an altered bible translation they use to support their doctrine. The JW's bible says, The Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call with an archangels voice...their jesus.
I noticed you don't believe JW's so I won't answer as to why, you already know. They also believe the Holy Spirit is an active force (you know, like in Star Wars), not God.
My sister in law fought me to the death that Jesus was not Almighty God, but that's a whole other story.lol.

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That's true keep spreadin it;)
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A lot of what JWs believe doesnt make sense. They think only JWs are going to get to go to heaven and be with God, never mind the centuries of Christians like Paul and Peter and the rest of the disciples and Abraham, Moses, Joshua, Noah and the like who couldnt have been JW because it wasnt invented until the early 1900's or so.

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Do you think Jesus being 100% god and 100% man at the same time makes more sense?

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According to what scripture says about him yes
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Thank you Momo. Don't attack the trinity now, or you'll be attacked back. :) No, it doesn't make sense, but then, "blind leading the blind". Right?

BTW, how are you?
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Lemme post it again then for you...

Lets see the attributes of Christ that God the father also shares..
1) God is omnipresent: God knows all things. He know the hearts an thoughts of men. He knows the past and future.he knows the # of grains of sand and the # of the stars. There is nothing he doesn't know.
Christ is omnipresent: "but Jesus did not commit himself to them, bc he knew all men and needed not tht any should testify of man for he knew what was in man" (John 2:24,25)
-he new the whereabouts of Nathaniel..he asked how he knew him and Jesus said he saw him under the fig tree before Phillip called him..(john 1:48)
-he knew the plot of judas:" Jesus answered them, have not i chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spoke to judas iscariot the son of simon( John 6:70,71)
-he knew the thoughts of the Pharisees: (Matthew 12:25) (Luke 5:22) and (like 6:8)
-he knew the heart of the Samaritan woman (John 4:16-29)

2) God is worshiped: only God can be rightly worshiped..
Christ is worshiped: he was worshiped by the wise men (Matt 2:11)
-worshiped by the Leper(Matt 8:2)
-worshiped by the ruler: (Matt 9:18)
-worshiped by the angels (Hebrews 1:16)
There are many examples of ppl worshiping Christ. At no time did he rebuke them he accepted it, and rightly so...

3) God forgives sin: (mark 2:7)
-Christ forgives sin: (Mark 2:5), (Luke 7:48..

4) God creates: (Colossians 1:16)
All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made(John 1:3)

5) God saves: salvation belongs unto The Lord (psalm 3:8)

-Christ saves: (Matt 18:11) (Luke 9:56)
-for God sent his son Into the world to condemn te world; but that the world through him might be saved..(John 3:17)
- John 12:47...

Jesu Christ has the attributes of God, even the ones reserved solely for God. There are many other attributes of Go that are attributes to Christ as well...
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Hi Paisley, im doing very well...i only wish the weather would cooperate with us if you know what I mean. How are you doing? :)
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Doing great; down in Florida we have tornado watches/warnings, but nothing like blizzards and all that comes with it. Have a great day.
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U2 and take care! :)
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Yeah, its lies. They are deceived & won't hear the truth. But they want to bash me senseless until I believe "their truth".
Man, even told me I shouldnt be reading certain biblical books.

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Jehovah's Witnesses (officially known as the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York), a religious sect founded in the late 19th century by former atheist Charles Taze Russell, do not believe in the Trinity. They teach that only God the Father is truly God, and they call Him 'Jehovah'. Jesus, they claim, is not divine - He was created by Jehovah and is actually the archangel Michael. Jesus, in their view, is the first and highest of all created beings, and is actually the creator of the world.
In explaining the first coming of Christ, Jehovah's witnesses explain that Michael gave up his existence as an angel by allowing God to transfer his "spirit" to earth, and thus becoming a man, Jesus Christ. They also claim that although Jesus was crucified (not on a cross but rather on an upright stake!) and rose from the dead, only His spirit - not his body - was resurrected. When His spirit ascended into heaven, Jesus reclaimed His existence as the archangel Michael. (My answer continues in the comments)

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Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs about Jesus are contrary to the teaching of the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant churches. In other words, no other Christians believe - or have every believed - such radical ideas.
They are very well practiced in explaining what they believe. They are skilled at using selected verses from the Bible - no matter how badly they are misinterpreted - to defend their arguments. The New World Bible, the official translation of the Watchtower Society, purposely mistranslated the original Greek of the New Testament to support Witness theology.

Hope this helps! - ManOfKnowledge
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Well I believe That Jehovah created the angels before he created the earth and man, in Colossians the bible bring out that Jesus was the first born of all creation. Provers Jesus is saying that"22 Jehovah himself produced me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From time indefinite I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no watery deeps I was brought forth as with labor pains, when there were no springs heavily charged with water. 25 Before the mountains themselves had been settled down, ahead of the hills, I was brought forth as with labor pains, 26 when as yet he had not made the earth and the open spaces and the first part of the dust masses of the productive land. 27 When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep, 28 when he made firm the cloud masses above, when he caused the fountains of the watery deep to be strong, 29 when he set for the sea his decree that the waters themselves should not pass beyond his order, when he decreed the foundations of the earth, 30 then I came to be beside him as a master worker, and I came to be the one he was specially fond of day by day, I being glad before him all the time, 31 being glad at the productive land of his earth, and the things I was fond of were with the sons of men. 32 ?And now, O sons, listen to me; yes, happy are the ones that keep my very ways. 33 Listen to discipline and become wise, and do not show any neglect. 34 Happy is the man that is listening to me by keeping awake at my doors day by day, by watching at the posts of my entrances. 35 For the one finding me will certainly find life, and gets goodwill from Jehovah. 36 But the one missing me is doing violence to his soul; all those intensely hating me are the ones that do love death.

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In Revelation 12:7-9 it says that:And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but it did not prevail, neither was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. In Genesis Jehovah is speaking and notice Jehovah does not say that I bruise Satan in the head he is saying that he which is Jesus will.
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15 "And I shall put enmity between you and the woman and between your seed and her seed. He will bruise you in the head and you will bruise him in the heel.? Soon Jesus will deliver that final crushing blow to Satan's head. I know that we say that Jesus is Michael, but what really is important is that, we know that Jesus Christ is our powerful king in heaven, and soon will setup a new prefect paradise kingdom here on earth, free from sin death and Satan. Daniel 2:44 44 ?And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite. Psalms 37:9,10,11,29 "For evildoers themselves will be cut off,
But those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth.

10 And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more;
And you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be.

11 But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace. 29 The righteous themselves will possess the earth,
And they will reside forever upon it.
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Swag by the way Michael's name means Who is like God. Before Michael came to earth he was prince, Daniel 12:1 says 1 ?And during that time Michael will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of the sons of your people. And there will certainly occur a time of distress such as has not been made to occur since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, every one who is found written down in the book. In Daniel's prophecy, 'standing up frequently refers to the action of a king either taking up his royal power or acting effectively in his capacity as king. Well this is what I believe enjoy your night.
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Lets see the attributes of Christ that God the father also shares..
1) God is omnipresent: God knows all things. He know the hearts an thoughts of men. He knows the past and future.he knows the # of grains of sand and the # of the stars. There is nothing he doesn't know.
Christ is omnipresent: "but Jesus did not commit himself to them, bc he knew all men and needed not tht any should testify of man for he knew what was in man" (John 2:24,25)
-he new the whereabouts of Nathaniel..he asked how he knew him and Jesus said he saw him under the fig tree before Phillip called him..(john 1:48)
-he knew the plot of judas:" Jesus answered them, have not i chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? He spoke to judas iscariot the son of simon( John 6:70,71)
-he knew the thoughts of the Pharisees: (Matthew 12:25) (Luke 5:22) and (like 6:8)
-he knew the heart of the Samaritan woman (John 4:16-29)

2) God is worshiped: only God can be rightly worshiped..
Christ is worshiped: he was worshiped by the wise men (Matt 2:11)
-worshiped by the Leper(Matt 8:2)
-worshiped by the ruler: (Matt 9:18)
-worshiped by the angels (Hebrews 1:16)
There are many examples of ppl worshiping Christ. At no time did he rebuke them he accepted it, and rightly so...

3) God forgives sin: (mark 2:7)
-Christ forgives sin: (Mark 2:5), (Luke 7:48..

4) God creates: (Colossians 1:16)
All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made(John 1:3)

5) God saves: salvation belongs unto The Lord (psalm 3:8)

-Christ saves: (Matt 18:11) (Luke 9:56)
-for God sent his son Into the world to condemn te world; but that the world through him might be saved..(John 3:17)
- John 12:47...

Jesu Christ has the attributes of God, even the ones reserved solely for God. There are many other attributes of Go that are attributes to Christ as well...
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Read the book of Hebrews regarding angels and Jesus... Jesus is God, it really isn't that hard to see in the new and Old Testament
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"But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, disputed about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a reviling judgement upon him, but said, The Lord rebuke you." Jude 9 (Living Bible) Michael means "Who Is Like God" The name evidently designates Michael as the one who takes the lead in upholding God's sovereignty and destroying Gods enemies. The name of this Michael appears only five times in the Bible. In Revelation 12:7-12 says that
Michael and his angels would war against Satan and hurl him and his wicked angels out of heaven in connection with the conferring of kingly power
on Christ. Jesus is later depicted as leading the armies of heaven in war against the nations of the world. Rev 19:11-16.

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