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If a person does not believe in God .. How can they blame Him for anything ?

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The question is based on a ridiculous false premise.
A person that doesn't believe in god, like myself, an atheist, doesn't blame god for anything.
Anyone who blames god for anything isn't an unbeliever or atheist.

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yep. We agree! lol
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We better mark it on the calendar to remember when we agreed.
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LoL
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True!
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Wow, me and my two favorite believers in the same "room" in agreement.
Group hug !!!
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Awww.....hugs to u, too...raven. :)
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I don't know. They just think that if he is real, he's the problem in the situation I guess, which is totally wrong.

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Because they really do believe. ;)

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Then why don't you believe in god?
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Amen! lolo
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cal..., what?
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My head is spinning!!!
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It was my mistake Lolo, when I first glanced at your answer I thought you were making a blanket statement about ALL atheists, but now on second thought it is as much a correct answer as any of the others.
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Atheists or unbelievers don't "really" believe or blame a mythical character for anything.
Do you "really" not believe as indicated by your ridiculous hypocritical judgements of others.
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I think you had the same reaction I did Raven, but I'm sure there are people out there that claim to not believe in a god on the outside, but actually do on the inside. We know for a fact that many Christians don't believe but just go through the motions, so we should assume some atheists are this way as well.
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U hit it on the nose, cal. I dont think there r nearly the amount of athiests who claim to be. And true followers of christ r hard to find, too. :)
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You are correct Lolo. True definition atheists are rare, this is because an atheist believes there is absolutely no chance a deity exists. Most "atheists, such as myself, are more agnostic in that we don't make that absolute claim. It is not possible to know whether a deity does or does not exist but instead rely on the fact that there is no evidence that one does exist, that evidence suggest one is not needed for any of the universes natural processes to occur and that logically the chances of one existing are extremely low.
You can see why most of us just claim the default "atheist" moniker, because if we had to explain the definitions to everyone debates would go on infinitum. It's the same as you calling yourself a Christian as opposed to a Baptist, Lutheran, Catholic, etc.
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Right. Except i am not in a denomination. :)
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Cal... It is NOT necessary to believe there is "absolutely no chance a deity exists" to perfectly fit the definition of an atheist.
That is a logical fallacy by being impossible to disprove the unprovable. That assertion is constantly used as an asinine argument by believers against strawman arguments of atheists. I have tried very hard to dispel that notion and I'm begging a fellow atheist not to perpetuate it and feed the false perception if what atheism is.
Atheism ONLY needs to be LACK of belief.
It's no belief.
Not
Belief in no.
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Rave..I still think majority of folks are agnostics than athiests....
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The two terms address completely different topics. It's not a matter of degree. Agnosticism addresses what can be known. Atheism addresses whether or not a person has belief in a god. Anyone who does not have belief in a god is atheist. Atheist only means, without god. I am a fully bloomed atheist with absolutely no belief in any god and quite convinced that within scientific parameters of probability it would require an idiotic denial of reality for me to believe in a god.
At the same time I logically know it is impossible to disprove the unprovable so that makes me agnostic. It is impossible to disprove something that is by definition supernatural, beyond nature, beyond measure, definition and time. That doesn't mean atheists harbor some deep doubt about the nonexistence of god.
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Right, I believe you raven. And, I do see you as an athiest. But, i see many others who get angry with their circumstances, become angry with God, then decide to just say there is no God. It's an easy thing to say. So, I think it's far and few who are true. :)
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Actually agnosticism and atheism have very little relevance to each other. A person could be a very dedicated Christian believer, one of the faithful pillars, yet, if they hold the position that their god and beliefs are scientifically unprovable and unknowable they are then agnostic. An agnostic Christian. Of course a Christian would never use that term to describe themselves, but that's what they would be.
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Yeah...well...I've heard a pastor once say that we can all (believers, that is) behave like athiests when we live our lives not fully trusing in God. So, in that sense, we can be all 3. he he
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lolo... Your claim is difficult if not impossible to verify either way. It has not been my experience with a large number of atheists that they harbor any anger, resentment or blame towards any fictitious deity. It's typically understood and felt to be a silly belief.
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Lolo, I totally disagree that "most atheists are believers fighting against god" that's just wishful thinking on the part of believers. Statistics show quite the opposite, most that call themselves Christians are just going through the motions due to peer pressure and social conformity.
Raven, I've always been a literalist in a figurative world. I understand where you are coming from with the strawman problem and conversely I have dealt with the false continuum in regards to atheism and agnosticism, as Lolo's comment perfectly examples. It would be great if we could do away with the definitions and rewrite them so as to fit current cultural perceptions. In debates with the ignorant populace I will always take the exact same stance as you on the topic due to the ignorance that most people have about the definitions for the sake of expediency. However between us, those of us that understand the true definitions, I can't see no err in my original comment to Lolo on this subject.
I'll leave these as my reasons as to being a very literal individual.
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic
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*can see no err...
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cal, I never said that "most athiests are believers fighting against god." I just simply stand on my original answer, too. ;)
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Yet you clearly attempt to claim to know better than atheists what atheists believe. Not to mention that you seem to fail completely at grasping the definition of the word "agnostic" and keep perpetuating theistic "urban legends" like "they're just mad at god" and the deathbed conversion nonsense. As stated above, that's wishful thinking on the part of believers.
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"Because they [ atheists ] really do believe."
"They" certainly does describe most.
Have you resorted to lies to us and yourself as a cover excuse for your outrageous irrational claim in your answer.
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Have I really made that claim, skep? Sorry for not making myself clear. There is too much generalizing. I just think athiests and christians are clumped together too easily. Please don't forget that I also say the same about people who call themselves christians. I'm glad I don't put my faith in "wishful thinking."
And..I do happen to believe that many people really aren't athiests, they are just mad at God. I know them, personally. :)
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So you know a couple of the few antitheists around and thus base your claims about atheists on them? Silly thing to do, particularly since belief in your god would make them Judeo-Christian or satanist, not atheists.

You seem to resort to the No True Scotsman fallacy frequently, and as raven said it was distinctly implied by your comment that you referred to the majority of atheists.
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Kitten, Raven, Cal,
If u interpret the question as a direct syllogism like Lolo is probably doing then certain atheists who have been heard to "blame God" then it is logical to assume that they must actually believe that is God otherwise for them to blame God is a self contradiction. I.e. Blaming something that they believe to not be actual. Now, if u interpret the question as analogical then the atheist that is "blaming God" isn't really blaming God but in reality is doing so by figure of speech. In fairness to Lolo, the question provides no contextual cues as to which way to interpret it. What happens is that some of u atheists interpreted Lolo's answer as though she was seeing it as a figure of speech and thus imply that atheists don't really disbelieve God while she seems to be interpreting it from a syllogistic manor. Seeking to understanding what the other means may help clear some of the clutter. The mincing over "atheism" and "agnosticism" is confusing since there are different definition points to those words.
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Thank u for help clarifying, DK. U understand the difficulties with these questions/answers and the different Angles everyone is coming in at. It ends up being a bit confusing between all the parties involved. Please take no offense... I don't mean it in any way. Love u all. Good night and sweet dreams. Xoxo
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It does really boil down to clarification, atheist and theist alike have often dealt with generalizations that misrepresent the others true beliefs/intents and therefore we have developed a "knee-jerk" reaction to perceived threats. I have been guilty of saying "Why do Christians believe the Earth is 6,000 years old?" only to spend reams of type clarifying that I meant to say "young Earth creationists."
The question was too vague, and Lolo I believe if you had answered "..that person...." instead of "they", and then latter in the comments had left out the "...far and few who are true." this entire thread would have been avoided.
But as they say, "$#it happens" :-/
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They can't..they can only blame themselves if, in their opinion, God doesn't exist

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They don't. What you are describing is an anti-theist, a humanist, or maybe a satanist, but definitely not an atheist.

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I didn't think an anti-theist or humanist believed in god either.
I thought anti-theist was defined as a positive belief in gods nonexistence.
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Most atheists are agnostic atheist.
As in,
cant be known and no reason to believe.
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You could be right, there seems to be almost as many subgroups of atheism as there are for Christianity.
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True; mental musings can be very creative.
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Well I do not believe in god and I don't blame him and I don't know what you mean

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They don't....

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Because they know they believe, they just choose to tell the world they don't

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JamesKaeberle
Amen! Romans 1:18-22
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<3 yes!!!!! ;D
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I tried posting the whole scripture but the Mods. took it off. lol To much for them to handle. God Bless!
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lol XDD well gee, maybe that Mod was Athiest XDDD hahaha
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Probably so. lol
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hahaha
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it's their fault for putting the Religion section for questions!! haha
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Amen!
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If someone believes in a god they aren't an atheist to begin with. Sorry to burst your vastly arrogant bubble, but we really just don't believe your god or any other exists.
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I am atheist and have absolutely no belief in any god.
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congrats?
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when did you come into this?
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O.o
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Well, since you felt the need to lie about atheists...
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so if you don't believe in god or any other, then why are you still fighting about it?
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Amen!
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Again- because you people keep lying about us.
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Your question is an oxymoron ,
If someone does not believe -
They don't believe ! And can't blame god , because they don't believe

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Ok Mr. Smart Scientist Dude! ^_-
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Exactly !
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That's the whole point. She is saying people who say they don't believe, yet they still blame Him.
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Then it would be a statement ,
Therefore , should had been removed
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Lol! you sound like Sheldon! :p
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that's probably the pointhaha
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Bazinga
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Thank you Alan
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LOL! Bazinga XD
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It would make no sense. Common logic would dictate a requirement for belief in what is being blamed.

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Because some of them are hypocrites.

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Sounds like they don't believe in a loving God but they do believe in something that causes trouble. What they are doing is believing in evil without believing in good. Actually both exist.

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We don't believe in "something that causes trouble". Not outside of humans anyway.
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I say that because of the phrase "blame Him" in the original question. I personally do believe there is one true God.
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I meant that the original question is bogus- we don't blame things we don't believe exists.
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Betty, upon people finding out I'm an atheist, most often the first question they ask me is "what did god do to make you not believe in him?" My response to them is usually, "What part of atheist do you not understand?" I am atheist and I do not blame any make believe invisible friend for anything, how could I? I wouldn't be an atheist then.

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Bc they may not have anyone else to blame for bad things happening in their lives but try to talk to them and tell them that things would be better if you turn to God and tell him your problems and not blame him for them. Bc he makes our lives better everyday not worse. :)

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Incorrect. Atheists don't blame gods for anything because we don't believe they exist.
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skep, I believe that everyone on here agrees with you but not everyone who calls themself an athiest is like you. :)
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By definition if a person believes there is a god to blame that person isn't an atheist. Not a hard concept.
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Ignorance.

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No atheist blames god- THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT EXISTS! If any person is specifically blaming god with real conviction then they are theist and believe in god, obviously.

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You stole my answer this time lol
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You look alot younger than I imagined you would be, truths. lol.
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Yea, I been getting that lately. My vocab is deceiving I think.
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Yeah it is. ha. I thought you were like 36. lol. sorry for the assumption though.
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Truth stole my answer.

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Lmao great minds young sir ;)
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We don't blame god for we do not believe "He" exists. An atheists might do it rhetorically, if they were in a debate about religion, but they wouldn't really give blame to something that is nonexistent.

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We don't. It's a rhetorical device used to refute claims you make about your god. I don't understand why this concept is so difficult.

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Skep... Could you chime in under lolo... I may have stretched credulity to make a point with my "agnostic Christian" description but still think its a valid point. I value your opinion very much and would like hear your honest assessment.
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Beats me. Have you ever actually known such a beast? I would be curious as to what that strange person said to give you that impression.

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Everybody knows there God. genius 2:2 there was a void in the deep . Read it!

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I can't find "genius", especially not in this answer.
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The same way that believers in god blame Satan and Human for everything! It seems that no amount of evidence could convince them that their god was bad once they decided to worship him. As long as men believe in tyranny in heaven they will practice tyranny on earth. Most people are exceedingly imitative, and nothing is so gratifying to the average man as to be like his God.

Whenever good men do some noble thing the believers give their God the credit, and when evil things are done they hold the men who did the evil responsible, and forget to blame their God. Why should we attribute the best to man and the worst to God?

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your a very ignorant person.
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Thank you for the compliment. You posed exactly as your Christian ancestors of the Dark Age.
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Maybe figuratively. As saying "if you were real as everyone says you were why did you let this happen" and etc. but its jokingly i do that. I always curse in his name as well, this isn't meant to be perceived as oh they believe. Its meant as an insult in away. It also could be like what i personally believe is the person strives for something to make them feel safe, and less insecure and so for someone else like "god" to blame they may feel better knowing it wasn't all entirely there fault whatever happened, but for that to happen. Like you are suggesting they couldn't entirely be none believers, because to do such a thing you would have to believe in such a comforting idea as god.

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