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In 1 Chronicles, Chapter 17 (verse 11-14), is God telling David about Jesus?

I realize that many verses in the bible can be interpreted differently. But I have never heard this interpretation.

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The Davidic Covenant refers to God's promises to David through Nathan the prophet and is found in 2 Samuel 7 and later summarized in 1 Chronicles 17:11-14 and 2 Chronicles 6:16. This is an unconditional covenant made between God and David through which God promises David and Israel that the Messiah (Jesus Christ) would come from the lineage of David and the tribe of Judah and would establish a kingdom that would endure forever (2 Samuel 7:10-13). The Davidic Covenant is unconditional because God does not place any conditions of obedience upon its fulfillment. The surety of the promises made rests solely on God's faithfulness and does not depend at all on David or Israel's obedience.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Davidic-covenant.html#ixzz2MtlVK4ZH

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thatoneguy97

yes, I've just read it, I do believe it was Jesus He was talking about

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Nathan has heard from God .. And he talks to David. David has been in many wars and his hands have much blood in them. David will not be allowed to build God a temple. His son Solomon will build Gods temple.
In the new testament .. This temple will be the temple of Jesus.

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JamesKaeberle

Yes it is Jesus. David knew of the coming Messiah even before Jesus was born here on earth. Jesus said: " The Volume Of The Book is about Me ". Jesus was with the Father from the beginning. God The Father, God The Son, And God The Holy Spirit.

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I started reading the bible several months ago and am in Chronicles. When I read those verses, I was surprised that I had never heard that interpretation. Thanks
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No, Jesus did not "say" it, he quoted it from Psalms. And the quotation as rendered in most Christian versions is greatly distorted to make it sound like it's about Jesus.
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JamesKaeberle
You been proven wrong.
Hebrews 10:5-10

5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:


“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’”

8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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Sorry James, but you're the one who is wrong. Read Psalms 40:8. Clearly Jesus was quoting it. If I were to say "Four scores and seven years ago", would you say that I quoted Lincoln rather then "said" it?!?
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JamesKaeberle
As I've told you before Lior. Even though you may think you know what the scriptures says. You really have no clue. That's why God got tired of the Jewish people because their hearts were not in the right place with Him. Even though He still loves them and when He makes a covenant with them He doesn't break His covenant. Israel is the apple of God's eye. That's why only certain people in the Old Testament truly understood the scriptures. People like Mose,Jacob,Issac,Abraham,Joesph,Joshua,King David,etc,etc, and all the prophets. All others are blinded to the truth because they refuse to see and accept the truth.


2 Corinthians 3:12-17

12 Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech— 13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. 15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. 16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

The Old Testament was a foreshadow of things to come in the New Testament.
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Clearly you believe in Christianity and that's ok with me. So you're saying that if I do say "Four score and seven years ago," I'm in fact saying it and not quoting Lincoln? Interesting...
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Although Christians like to apply this to Jesus, Nathan is actually speaking about Solomon, Davids Son who built the temple. If you read verse 1, David seems distressed that God is dwelling in a tent rather then in a real house. God then reassures him that David's seed will build him a house. But either way you apply this prophecy it is a failed prophecy because Davids royal linage was removed from the throne and has never been back. So it didn't last forever as stated.

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Why do Christians think anything said in the Bible is somehow about Jesus? What interest would David had had in hearing a prophecy about 1,000 years in the future, when he had concerns about the near future? David was concerned about the building of the Temple, and whether his line would stay in power, given that his predecessor, Saul, was killed together with all his sons. The purpose of the prophecy was to comfort David. If it had been about Jesus, there would have been no comfort to David for his contemporary concerns. As a more general comment, there is absolutely nothing in the Tanach, which you may call the Old Testament, that talks, prophesies, or even hints at Jesus. All the supposed referenced or prophecies in the Tanach attributed by Christians to Jesus are nothing but very creative imagination.

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JamesKaeberle
King David looked forward to the coming Messiah and knew who He was ( Jesus ). He knew this long before He became King when he was a young kid and stood uo against Goliath.. Nathan confronted David because David had backslide from God. You say he was to business doing other thing but yet he sure had time to not go to war like a King is suppose to do. Instead he stayed home and lusted after another man's wife and committed adultery with her and had her husband murdered by sending him to the front line of War.And the Old Testament talks about Jesus clear though it. But that's Ok Lior. If you live to go though the 7 year tribulation ( Jacob's Trouble ) you will found out all along Jesus was the Messiah.
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Why would David by interested in the "coming of the Messiah"?!? He was the Messiah himself, as Samuel anointed him ("mashakh"). The notion of Messiah you're talking about was formed only after the destruction of the Davidic monarchy. There was no sense if talking about it when the Davidic line just got started. You are trying to force anachronism to the text that completely remove it from its historicity, just to support your wrong faith.
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Oh, and I believe it was Elhanan son of Yaari who killed Goliath.
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JamesKaeberle
Then your sadly mistaken.
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And how's that, in your opinion?
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JamesKaeberle
Because you have not the Holy Spirit. Which mean unless your Born Again as Jesus said you can not enter into the Kingdom of God. The dead sea scroll in which are the orginal maniscript of The Word Of Gos line right up to the T of the King James Version of the Bible. As I posted under my comment you are blinded to the truth of the Word of God because of pride and disobediences to the Word Of God. My statements are correct and true according to The God of Arahan, Issacc, and Jacob. And according to the one and only true Messiah Jesus Christ whom is the second of the Godhead. God The Father, God The Son, And God The Holy Spirit. Without Jesus and the Holy Spirit you are still dead in your sins. Your like a dead body walking on the face of the earth. Your alive in the flesh but your spiritually dead for you have not the Spirit of God.
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JamesKaeberle
( correcton for above The Word Of God )
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JamesKaeberle
And Abraham
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You talk in slogans, and I'm fine with that, because you're a gentile and therefore not committed to the true God, the God of Israel. But I want you to give me an answer on the merits, not your slogans. Please read 2 Sam. 21:19, and answer the following question: Who, according to the text of the Bible, killed Goliath.
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JamesKaeberle

2 Samuel 21:19

19 Again there was war at Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam

Says here the brother of Goliah.

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Now read a version that translates the original, instead of distorting it to for with preconceived notions. Try NIV, ESL, NASB, ISV, ASV, ERV. Your problem is that you're using the King James or a version created based on the King James. If you can't read the original in Hebrew, at least get a good translation!
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JamesKaeberle
King James is the Best.
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JamesKaeberle
Read all of 2 Samuel 17
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Again, a slogan! What are you basing this statement on? On something someone has told you? Or have you done a comparative study via a via Latin and Greek manuscripts in addition to the Mesoretic text, Dead Sea scrolls etc?
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JamesKaeberle
For your information the dead sea scrolls line right up with the King James Version of the Bible.
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JamesKaeberle
The King James Version was created in 1604. The New American Standard Version was created in 1971. The New International Version was created in 1970's. All these versions are distorted. Try Wycliffe Bible or Tyndale Bible.
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JamesKaeberle
Correction read 1 Samuel 17 you'll see who slayed Goliath.
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For your information, you are wrong. I can read the Dead Sea scrolls in the original, and in part I have. They are more in line with the MT than you think. Clearly not with the LXX, that the KJV is based on. As for the NT, the KJV is based on the Erasmus Bible, a singularly bad choice of "original" text. I always say the KJV is a beautiful translation of a bad original.
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JamesKaeberle
lol Time will tell. And by the way did you read 1 Samual 17 where David slayed Goliath :-)
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And why do you think that 1 Sam 17 is a better source than 2 Sam 21?
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JamesKaeberle
I just showed you .

2 Samuel 21:19

19 Again there was war at Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam

Says here the brother of Goliah.
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There's no talking to James, Lior. He still thinks the dinosaurs were late arriving to catch Noah's ark.
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JamesKaeberle
Yeah there's no talking to you cause your in denial. I've proven my point. But people like you don't care to look it up cause you know your wrong.
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James, I'm not sure if your last comment was intended for Seedy or for me. Check 2 Sam 21:19 in one of the versions I mentioned, if you cannot read Hebrew and the MT, then perhaps do a little reading on the history of the difference and how it came about. You'll find that the committee responsible for the KJV intentionally inserted the words "brother of" that did not appear in their source, to artificially confirm to 1 Sam 17, which they thought should be the truth... That's how they wrote the KJV!
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Artificially conform... Autocorrect.
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JamesKaeberle
1 Samuel 17 says the same thing in the other versions. David slayed Goliath.
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In all of the Catholic translations the NJB, NAB, Knox, and Douay-Rheims, all pretty much state 2 Sam 21:19 this way:
And there was a third battle in Gob against the Philistines, in which Adeodatus the son of the Forrest an embroiderer of Bethlehem slew Goliath the Gethite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.

However the Knox in a foot note states:
In I Par. 20.5 it is the brother of Goliath, not Goliath himself, that is killed; as if the name were a kind of title, borne first by the giant slain in I Kg. 17 and then by his younger brother.
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Seedy, certain translators tried to conform 2 Sam 21:19 to the text of 1 Chronicles 20:5 (and if course to 1 Sam. 17) by adding the words "brother of". Both the MT and the LXX (on which Catholic texts are based) say Goliath, not the brother of Goliath. Most English versions had editors who believe they know what the Bible should say even when it says something different, and changed the text accordingly. Our friend here believes such decisions convey the inerrant word of God...
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I fully agree, I think the reason the Knox version has that foot note is to try and justify what you state, yet they still at least translate it correctly. It was the only catholic version I found with that footnote.
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Yes He is. Just imagine how privileged David felt to know that the greatest man to step on Earth would be one of his descendants.

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1 Chronicles 17: 11-14 is a reference to the second coming of Jesus. Not the first.

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Funny. So funny.
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