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it should be in there

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So... would you be okay with our government replacing it with "Hail Zeus" or "Praise Allah"?
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god=allah
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NO it does NOT!!!!!
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Shouting doesn't prove anything.
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God does equal Allah, just a translation.
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MissMostly, I find it extremely ironic that you believe that 'Under God' should be in the Pledge, and yet know nothing ABOUT 'God'.
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wickedpissah

remove it.

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What's rude is loving Cher lloyd
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cher- why is it rude to give my opinion?
why is it rude to answer a question on a site designed for answering questions?
Here's a better one: Why is it rude to support and defend the establishment clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States?
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Mi no say
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But as wicked has pointed out.. under the constitution... your allowed to say that without it being rude..
Freedom of speech has its challenges
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"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
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It doesn't flow
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wickedpissah
Yes.
It does.
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No.
It doesn't.
It doesn't flow well
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I'm a bit more concerned about this little thing called The Constitution of the United States of America than I am about your inability to make a verse "flow".
Sorry.
Rights trump rhymes.
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actually, it was hard to remember the added words and they did not seem to flow but that was long ago
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The original Pledge goes like "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." It seems to flow to me. This is what it was; this is what it should be.
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Everyone has there own opinion
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"their"
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Whatever
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Why remove it. It is what it is!
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Exactly
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Well considering not everyone has a god, yes.

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What about those which are Athiest?
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Yes. That is my point. Not everyone has a god, or the same god so it should be removed.
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ohhhh... sorry I read you're comment wrong... Got it.
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I totally agree.
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well its correct we are under god!

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Some people are Atheist, and not everyone has only one god in their belief, so.... that's not necessarily true.
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a bigger percent in this country believe in god(s) so why should 10% get their way?
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....I'm just saying that we don't NEED for any reason a religious reference in the pledge, and some people may be annoyed by it. My reasoning is if some people are annoyed by it, and its nowhere near necessary, get rid of it.
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my computer annoys me and i font NEED it........doesnt mean i should get rid of it.
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But even though your computer is annoying there are obviously certain reasons you like it. I'm pretty sure Atheists don't like having to say "Under god" every day at school at all ( I wouldn't know, I'm not Atheist).
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atheists dont care for god so saying it is just a pointless word
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k, good point.
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it should definitely be in there.

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Oh, so Atheists should have to say it too?
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I don't see why there are Atheists.
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So, you have a problem with people who don't believe in God, just because you believe in God? I mean really, I believe in God, but you don't see my going around being discriminatory against Atheists.
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Doesn't matter. People just recite it at the proper moment. They don't think about what they're saying, so they're not really pledging anything.

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Mindless! They should pay attention to every word!
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Yes. They should. Like the Lord's Prayer: If you're going to say it, think about it. You know, I just realized, that applies to to many things that we just rattle off.
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Absolutely!

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Absolutely removed?
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Absolutely STAYS!!!!
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I'm an atheist so "under God" doesn't mean anything to me. But it means a lot to many, many people and I understand how it means "living in righteousness" so I'm good with keeping it in.

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Me to. You give a good name to atheists everywhere.
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Good for both DukeCityMuscle and TheHistoryHub. I believe that you are both right in standing up for the "core principle" of it. God bless!
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Keep it!

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no i do not think it should be in there because i am a true atheist and i am unable to recite it at school

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it should be kept, if only out of respect for the people who wrote it.

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Wasn't part of the original pledge though... does that change your opinion?
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It was added in 1954
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Do you even know who put those two words into the Pldge?
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no it doesn't change my opinion and I don't care who put it in.
people are vehemently opposed to anything that refers to God it's kinda pathetic. silly things like this waste time and detract from important issues.
don't like the pledge or want to show respect for our flag and country then don't, but don't make a huge deal out of it when there are infinitely more relevant issues than whether or not a minority of atheists, agnostics and God haters are offended.
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In 1954 President Eisenhower and Congress added the phrase "under God” into the Pledge.

Proponents of including "under God" in the Pledge argue that the United States is a Christian nation, at least 80% of Americans support the phrase, the language reflects America’s civic culture and is not a religious statement, and federal law, state constitutions, and US currency already contain references to God.

Opponents contend that church and state should be kept strictly separate as the Founding Fathers intended. They argue that the Constitution protects minority rights against majority will, and that the words "under God" in the Pledge are a religious phrase and thus violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

I don't feel that a debate about it is worth having. What do you think?

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Not considering the other crap that's going on in the country. But what I do not like is the ignorance of people and the pledge. They do not understand that the author did not include that in there.
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I agree. infinitely more important issues at hand than whether or not yet another minority has their panties in a bunch
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I have coins from 1911 that have in god we trust on them
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Here we go again.... and what is your point bud?
http://www.treasury.gov/about/education/Pages/in-god-we-trust.aspx
Here ya go, learn something. "In god we trust" has been used since 1861. Almost a century after being an independent nation. Coins first began being produced in 1793, leaving that motto off for almost 70 years! You keep spouting information, trying to make a point without providing anything to back it up. If your point is to try and prove that we've always been a nation "under god", then why did it take 70 years for it to be added to coinage?
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Well unless I'm not seeing things I'm looking right now at a 1939 merkury dime and It says in god we trust and I am also looking at a 1929 standing liberty half dollar that also says in god we trust
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But if you still are blind here is a link that clearly shows what I'm talking about cointrackers.com/coins/354/1929-d-walkingliberty
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And this is why I said (and should have stuck with it) that I said I was done trying to communicate with you on another thread. Did you read one single thing that I wrote? You either didn't or did but didn't understand.

So what if you're staring directly at so and so?... I clearly put that the phrase has been in use since 1861 and unless you have a point to try and reiterate... you're just babbling.
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Just look it up and then complain to me
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I'm a avid coin collector so I think I would know what is written on my old silver coins
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Good for you. Keep up the good work.
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Under God is part of the Pledge of Allegiance. We should never rewrite it. It should not be mandatory in schools that don't all follow a common faith. If you wish to write a similar pledge to our country that doesn't offend anybody then I wish you luck. Every 3rd word you think you like will get somebody upset... Sorry, this is our common freedom

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Under god was tacked on. It isn't part of the original pledge
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That was a good honest guess,Honestly guessing
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Sweet deal. Then I guess, rewrite every word if you like!! Either way I don't see why a pledge to our country is mandatory. People should want it anyway, but by choice.
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But you are correct about it never having been rewritten..
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But, HG, the Pledge HAS been re-written.
The words "under god" were not in the pledge when it was written.
Those words were added in when it was re-written in 1954.
So, if you truly oppose rewriting the Pldge, then we should remove those words and recite the original Pledge.
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Thanks, exactly what I try
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^should never have been rewritten
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I'm not a school board member. I care, just not enough to be a part of the difference. I'll tell somebody who is a senator for my state if it helps.
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Agreed. It should have been what it was. Only Elton should be allowed to rewrite.
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I agree
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If you wish to remain true to the original pledge, take it out.

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Our national constitution as well as every single state constitution references God. So should our pledge of allegiance. The thing that needs to be removed in this country are the over sensitive political police!
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I didn't come down for or against it. Personally, I don't care. I just stated for the record that if you want the original, then the under god part must go
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It was originally put in there because this nation was set up "under God" I think it should stay in, and if you don't like it just do not say that part.

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No, it was put in during the red scare of the 50's.
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It was never originally put in there annette....
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Annette you are correct!
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Actually, she's wrong. Look it up
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Yes we are under God so it should be in there

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There are other more important things to be concerned about. It's being there hasn't caused any harm since 1954. It has nothing to do with a specific religion or church . What is the big deal?

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Leave it. Thats whats wrong with America, some have turned their back on God. Their loss though.

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It should stay!! This nation has been Blessed by GOD in so many ways. If you don't want to say it, don't say it.

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The pledge didn't have it before Eisenhower, who added it in1950's as a result of a campaign by several church leaders. It had a LOT of support from the general population; it's not religious, merely an acknowledgment of civil faith. Without definition of God, or a particular faith to apply, it's fairly harmless unless you are a militant atheist. Militant atheists wish to forbid any mention of God in the public square; they rarely gather more than 20% of support for their ideas, so often take them to courts and seek judicial activism to change culture into their brand of "American culture." In this, they have been remarkably effective due to the promotion of liberal activist judges.

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I personally don't mind it being in there, but what I do mind is the ignorance that has come about due to it being put in there. If you review several of these answers, many of these people believe that it was in the original version and will fight just as vehemently as the militant atheists to keep it in there. Militant Christians?
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I am an atheist, and I don't mind the 'under God' part of the pledge. Personally, I understand that America was founded by Protestant Christians and the "under God' is just a part of the culture that the old America was founded on. There is no reason why we should take out the phrase, it does no harm. I don't believe in taking away any part of a person or group of people's belief just because it is a contrast to my own. We all can believe what we want, and I am fine with keeping that phrase in the pledge.
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But on the flip side... there was no reason to inject it in there either. It wasn't even added until 1954 as shiny mentioned.
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Really? Hmm.. I did not know this. Interesting..
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It wasn't there until it was; the people voted it in. If you think the culture has changed enough to support a vote to remove it, put a campaign into action. But I would take a survey first so you don't waste your money chasing a 20% vote.
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I have no use in trying to get it removed, just giving my much wanted opinion on the matter lol
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Yeah, me too. Yet I think that it would be impossible to get it removed. In an age where we can't even agree on the petty issues, there is no way that Congress would pass a bill to get rid of that part.
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there was no vote by the people to put it in
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Technically, it was a vote of Congress, not a referendum (we don't have them in federal elections, I don't think).
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Yes, and we all know how well Congress follows the will of the people. Could have been just something they woke up and felt like doing that day.
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And btw... How are you doing today shiny?
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Not too bad. Sitting in the hospital recovering from a revision to my total knee replacement on the right. The plastic button on the kneecap came off in September, so they took it out in December and replaced it Thursday. I get home on Sunday, so Sabbath is in Hospital.
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Well crikey! Thank goodness though that nowadays we have the option of knee replacements. I'm assuming, but glad you're doing ok. Hopefully all will be good for spring weather so you're not stuck inside.
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Once again Shinypate1 to the rescue with calm and reason.
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Back from hospital and all is well. Very little pain, and the button is secured and I am back to doing stairs. Not fast, but as the joke goes: young bull says, "I see heifers down there. what say we run down and service one of em?" And old bull said to the young bull, "lets walk down and service them all."
Speed is a young man's luxury.
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you crack me up, shiny. I wish you a speedy recovery
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Keep it in there

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Wasn't in the pledge until 1954. The Pilgrims came here to escape from religious persecution and the constitution states that congress can not establish a religion for the country. What were they thinking? But being under God is far from being of one faith. Thus far atheists have not challenged the pledge so I guess we are safe from the liberal activist judges and the far right conservative religious zealots.

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The pilgrims came here to be able to worship as they please. Read "The Pilgrim Reader"! It was written by the pilgrims themselves and so far has survived the revisionist history crusade!
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Worship as they please because they could not do so where they were hence they fled religious persecution - no?
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We ain't in 1954 anymore it's 2013 times have changed
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Not really, you can't rewrite history. All I see that's changed is the far right and left getting more entrenched - but the middle is working.
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Absolutely not. For many people like me, they do not even believe in 'God'. It is against the Separation of Church and State, in my opinion. I know that this is a very touchy subject and I am sorry if I offended anyone. In response to MissMostly, people can't just not SAY it, it is part of the Pledge of Allegiance. It would be very insulting for many people if they only said part of a hymn, would it not? Also, it was not even IN the original pledge, so if they, who were much more religious, did not find it necessary, why should people now?

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Our national constitution as well as every states constitution, references God! This is a nation that is founded on the belief in God!
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Oh well. That just means all references to 'God' should be taken out of all government.
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Of course it should stay! Our national constitution as well as every single state constitution in the U.S. references God. So it is only natural for our pledge of allegiance to reference God as well!

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actually God isn't even mentioned once in the natinal constitution
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You are correct it is the Declaration of Independence!
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no it is a newer thing

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No. The Pledge of Allegiance should not be religiously biased. so it has to go.

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The problem with all these people who think "In God we Trust" and " Under God" is that it is not pushing any specific religion, so its not violating freedom of religion.

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Unless you are a dedicated (wanted to say devout) athiest.
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Well, it IS violating freedom of religion because it's saying that we are under a 'God' but there are many religions that do not believe in ONE god and many pseudo-religions that have none.
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For what reason? The belief in God has a great deal to do with the founding of this country. Our national motto is "In God We Trust". Even our own so-called "president" didn't know that. He thought it was e pluribus unum like a whole lot of other fools. Some president!

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remove it.

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I think it should stay, its optional to say or hold sileentt on that part.

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stay :)

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