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Justme111

How many times have you read the Bible through?

This is for both the religious and atheists. If you are religious, then you should know what it says and if your beliefs are compatible with it. If you are atheist, you should have read it, because how can you reject it if you don't know it.

I study it regularly and can't say for sure how many times I have read it. But how about you?

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At least a dozen times in its entirety, and a multitude in pieces.

Recent research shows that 60% of American atheists have read the entire bible but only 10% of American Christians who attend church regularly (which is only about 50% of Christians) have.

But your logic is spurious. Have you read the entire Qu'ran? The Vedas? The Voluspa, the sutras, the texts of every pagan religion? If not, by your claims how can you reject them? Pretty arrogant thinking, believing everyone should have to know your texts but you don't need to do the same.

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in the interest of fairness to everyone. You're absolutely right.
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Same thought went through my mind
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I wouldn't have the time to read every religious book out there. And if I have tested the Bible and proven it to myself, why would I need to read any other one. The Bible doesn't make allowances for any other religious book. I have proven the Bible to myself therefore I don't have to exhaustively search all other beliefs.
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Such closed-mindedness that ALL religions claim that just turns me off to almost all of them completely.
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I bring up the Bible because I live in a country where the exposure is mainly to the Bible. Especially, the city that I live in. There are Muslims and others but not a lot. So I am talking about what I am familiar with and targeting an audience familiar with that.
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@Just. So in laymen's terms your asking jet fighter pilots why they can't just stick to driving a Ford pinto anymore because you don't have time to get a pilots license :-/
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"The Bible doesn't make allowances for any other religious book."

So you simply choose to be ignorant?

"I have proven the Bible to myself therefore I don't have to exhaustively search all other beliefs."

I love salmon. It's one of my favorite foods. Because of that, am I just going to say that tuna tastes bad without ever trying it? And how did you 'prove' the Bible to yourself?
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Exactly- it's nothing but hypocrisy. Insisting we can't possibly discount her beliefs without thoroughly researching them while she herself discounts all other beliefs without even learning the basics of them.

Not that hypocrisy among believers is new.
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I know how to ride a bike, I tested the bike and proven it a true modus operendi to me........so there is no reason for me to learn how to drive or walk.......
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Have you ever seen and eagle riding a bike? Pretty freaking awesome!
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I could respond but I have made a decision that I don't want to have endless debates with people on this site. Especially after the other one about women (Skeptikitten) where you got offended about me feeling that women have a submissive role. I like discussions but when I see that people are starting to get angry than I will not continue them. I like to get people talking (respectfully) but I don't want to argue. It gets nowhere and just hurts people's feelings.
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My question was not at all controversial by the way. I just asked how many times you read the Bible. Very benign question.
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Your Q was fine. It was when you added this that you invited the controversy

"This is for both the religious and atheists. If you are religious, then you should know what it says and if your beliefs are compatible with it. If you are atheist, you should have read it, because how can you reject it if you don't know it.

I study it regularly and can't say for sure how many times I have read it. But how about you? "
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Then in your comments you stated you have proven the bible to yourself and do not need to read any other theological writings. You have contradicted yourself and stated you did not have time to study anything other than what you already have. These statements invited controversy more than any other.
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What was wrong with adding that part? I directed it to both atheists and religious to get them to examine where they are coming from. I said nothing inflammatory.

Look. I came back to this site after a long absence. I like to have intellectual discussions with people. I like to think that people are mature enough to just converse. It always seems that people start getting riled up and angry that someone doesn't believe things exactly as they believe. This site hasn't changed and I will close this account as well. Good bye.
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Exactly- you passed judgement on everyone else for not holding themselves to standards you won't even adhere to yourself. If you kept your hypocrisy out of this it wouldn't have been a controversial question.
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^^Bingo^^
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You stated your question was not controversial at all...and it was not, but what you added afterward invited those to discuss further. I simply explained to you where the "controversy" (your word) came into play. There is absolutely no anger in my words. It is simply a discussion and I have not belittled you in any manner. It appears you want to discuss as long as what you say is taken as correct. That is not a discussion, that is proselytizing.
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She seems to do that frequently- people not buying her claims is somehow them picking on her. In fact, I was called "abusive" for calling her out for making sexist and bigoted remarks- which she in fact did.
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On Caluvox's answer she said I called her "lazy, arrogant, etc." in comments. Never happened. It appears anything that is not in line with the asker's thoughts is angry and abusive, causing a heated argument. I do not see a single argument on this entire Q&A thread.
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Haha!! Looks like we scared her off, she closed her account.
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I'd like to think she's "converted" to something else.
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Oh darn.......
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I actually called her lazy and arrogant- she claimed we should invest time in her beliefs but refuses to do the same for others' beliefs, pleading "no time". That's pretty much the definition of lazy and arrogant.

Of course, she's a JW. Their standard opening lines for preaching involve getting people to answer seemingly innocuous questions that open the door to their proselytizing.
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Well non of us bit so she had to leave......sort of like the two men that came to my door Saturday morning. And wouldn't ya know it.....my dog did NOT bark at them!!! The first time he has not barked at the holy rollers coming up my drive!!!
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I tryed once... And then I fell asleep and felt bad because I'm supposed to know this stuff as a Christian. O_o

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Push thru the boring stuff. If you have a reference Bible available use it to follow common topics thru the scriptures. It helps to know what is being talked about. It helps to not get bored. Also all of the begats help to follow family trees into and thru the kingdom eras of the 1&2 Samuels, 1&2 Kings, and 1&2 Chronicles.
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Also, try an easier translation. If you were trying to read in the King James Version, it's understandable that you fell asleep. The Good News Translation and the New Living Translation are much easier to read.
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None. And I have no plans to

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I read it twice, once when I was little and again as an adult. Both times it was mythology to me. Just as the Illiad and The Odyssey among a lot of other mythological books I have read.

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Are you a Christian or Atheist?
And I've read it once completely through, and I read back in different passages, just not in order.

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I am a Christian.
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Me as well.
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Never

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I read it 5 times and to this day, I still don't understand a page they put in that book.

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its hid to the flesh and can only be understood in the spirit . god wants us to know him but on his terms. you need to pray before you read and ask jesus to show you what he wants you to know. if you let him show you he will it really works that way trust that he wants you to know him. and it will become clear what you study and think about will see he is talking to you personally you will say wow thats me exactly.
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Only through the Holy Spirit can you truly understand what the Bible says. If you are not saved, which means you don't have the Holy Spirit, you won't be able to understand it.
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I have read it from start to finish 3 times.

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Never read the entire book
However I do listen to it from time to time - and how many times have you
Ever read anything relating to Darwin

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I read enough about Darwin and a lot of his stuff is debunked now.
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And I've read enough of the bible
And most of that is debunked as well
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I know I've read it thru once and skipped around a lot for several years. I'm almost 2&1/2 yrs thru a 3 yr study that covers the entire Bible in great detail. I'm loving it. By the end of this year I will have completed it a second time.

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I'm an atheist. I've read it a couple of times. I think it's a really interesting story. Lot's of twists and turns and crazy stuffs happening. Pretty Kick @ss if you ask me.

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Wait what? Your atheist? Why? O.O
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It's a good story. Kind of interesting if you read it as JUST THAT. Plus, I've spent all my schooling in private girls schools, I've spent last year and this year at a state school, which doesn't have religion in the curriculum, or all the other classes for that matter,
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Oh, so....I see, how about your parents, don't they have a religion?
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No. They're more cynical on the topic than me.
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mmmmh...well, it's your choice whether you wanna believe in God or not, I won't bother...Btw I'm a christian :)
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Oh sounds fun. I don't mind Christians... as long as they're not all Christian up in my face. Then I get all 'kill the Christians'
You seem pretty cool though... kinda one of the people that makes me believe there's some reasonable Christians out there :)
And not in a creepy way...
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haha thx...I'm not the kinda' christian that provokes people, and all that stuff, I like minding my business, I won't change what others believe in.
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I'm atheist. I haven't read the bible through, but before you say "how cam you reject it?" I did go to Episcopalian school for 7 years. Also, I'm dyslexic, so even if I wanted to read the bible, I would not only have a hard time reading it, but a hard time understanding the wording.

And for those of you who don't know, Episcopalian is a type of Christianity.

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0 :/ I don't know what to believe????

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Honestly, never. I've read bits and pieces in religion class, but that's it.

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CGP!!!! 8)
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Good night missy!
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Twice, both times I had to skip the begat part (C'mon! I mean who can read that part) and several times in bits. But I'm with Skeptikitten, I have read the qu'ran, talmud, torah, the Hellenistic, Norse, and Egyptian beliefs, and researched Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, and native American tribal beliefs. I have rejected them all, have you?

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I skipped the begats too. I don't have the time to exhaustively research every religious book out there.

Here is the thing. If one believes the Bible, they can't believe any other religious book. The Bible doesn't allow for that (and they contradict it.)

I have proven the Bible to myself. Now if I was unsure of the Bible then I might seek out other books such as the Koran.

I read so much that I can barely keep up with my studies as it is. I did just recently acquire a Catholic Bible and plan on reading the apocrypha.

Here is something interesting. This man was telling me that I should learn Hebrew and Greek to make sure that my Bible (and other Bibles) are rendered accurately. I do have concordances and all as tools, but where would I (or anyone) find the time to do that?

Now others are telling me I need to read all of these other books. Where am I going to find the time to sleep?
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Plus, you would probably tell me to take science courses to study biology so I will learn that evolution is true (according to you.) What is the scripture about not believing "every wind of teaching" and the "empty deception of men."
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Thump thump thump
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As I said in my other comments. When I sense that people are getting angry I will not continue discussions. You are using words that indicate that you are angry such as "lazy, arrogant, etc." I am on this site to have mature discussions with people and I don't want heated exchanges.
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Bye.
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Toodles!
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BTW...I never said "lazy, arrogant, etc." You must be mistaking me for someone else.
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@Just, You are afraid of researching other religions because you fear it will cause doubt. Well you should be, if you did you would understand why so many are atheists, we have a great understanding of theism across the human race. The bad part is you, basically you are either mad that, or don't understand why, people can't just remain blissfully ignorant.
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Amen, justme. Say it as it is! :)
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Because you are being lazy and arrogant, dear. You expect other people to invest time in your religious beliefs just because, yet claim you don't have time to do the same.

You don't want mature discussions- you don't even want discussions. You just want people to sit quietly while you preach at them.
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Cal...u havent even scratched the surface.:)
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As she states of all she is doing, she is no lazy woman!
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So then Lolo, you have studied most human religions as well?
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There r so many religions and even many new ones that keep popping up, who has the time to keep up with it all? He he Espec, when we work, raise kids and keep up with life.
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Your comment that I "haven't scratched the surface" meant what then?
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That u really have taken a lot of time to learn so many but still haven't even sc scratched the surface. Not a bad thing. Shows that no one can possibly have the time to know all of them. :)
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True! But the ones that I have, and still am researching have given me a great over few of theism and its cause and effect in society.
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I created another account to add something and then will close it. Ynp-I didn't mean that you called me lazy and arrogant. Skeptikitten did. Calling names is cheap and breaks down communication. There is no reason that people can't discuss their differences in opinions without resorting to name calling. She was getting abusive in a different question and she carried it over here. She compared me to people that say all blacks like fried chicken and watermelon because I said that some women (not all) tend to be more sensitive than men. Anyone that says that women don't generally have different emotional makeup than men are lying.

To say that I am "lazy" because I haven't read every religious book is ridiculous. First of all, I have a full time job. Then I attend 2 meetings a week. I take care of household duties and so on. With the time I left over I study the bible and read. I read a book about Native Americans plight. I am reading a Science book and History book. Thank you lol for defending me against being called "lazy." I am in hot water for saying that women tend to be sensitive and I am called lazy and arrogant. That is okay.

Caluvox-You say "You are afraid of learning about other religions." I have learned about other religions and their history. But I take issue when people make statements like "You are afraid because..." If you have been to college you would know that this isn't critical thinking. You never met me. All I said was that I hadn't read those books. I didn't say why. Yes, I did say that I didn't feel it was necessary but if I had the time I would read them anyway. I have to pick and choose what I am going to read and they are not a priority. I am slowly learning Spanish right now for one. But you just told me what MY reason was for not reading those books. Very presumptuous. The reason I closed my account and will close this one also, is because I am in a minority in my views and I get ganged up on by like minded-people. When I originally closed it a y
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When I originally closed it a year ago, I got in the middle of fundamentists who were mad that I didn't believe in Hell so they submitted a question about me and I came to it to tell them they shouldn't do that. If you guys were at that question you would be defending me (actually you probably wouldn't put your neck out for me but would be in silent agreement.) I got beat up on because I was in a minority. Once again I am in a minority but about a different issue and likely those Fundamentalists would be in agreement with me. So it isn't necessarily that I am always in the wrong, but that I always stand by myself.

I am closing this account not because I can't defend myself but because I don't want to deal with negativity. I don't enjoy being called names. Do you?
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Run along.
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Wow....not sure where I was defending her....not my intention in the least. Sounds like a whole mess of trouble is at her end. Why does she assume she is a minority? If she is looking for sympathy....not gonna happen here. She contradicts herself then gets upset when she is called on it. Silly......
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Precisely. She makes hypocritical or bigoted statements then gets a persecution complex when people call her out on it. And I'm sorry, but sometimes you have to call a spade a spade- she made lazy, arrogant statements then gets mad when people say it. She tries to make arguments for her beliefs, but them gets upset when people point out her arguments boil down to "the fact that there is no evidence just means god is mysterious".

Nonsense. Then of course there's the hilarious fact that she actually created a new account just to whine and make her feel like she got the last word.
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She already stated to me that her purpose here was to "enlighten" people about god, ie. preach. On another Q someone made an obvious mistake ("I'm a babtism"), I said "isn't anyone going to correct her?" Trustme replied "I have much bigger things to correct (atheism) then one girls spelling mistake."
Since then I lost a lot of respect for her, I had thought she was just seeking answers to life's big questions from a theist point of view. But like most she was just preaching :(
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I remember her old account. She was just as irritating.
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How many accounts has she had?
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And JW's are never here to ask questions and learn- it's always an excuse to preach with them.
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Yosi, including this last binary account, 4

Agreed Kitten, I'm an optimist that believes the best in people, but optimism rarely pays off :(
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Was she Joanie? I remember a Joanie before I left.
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That sounds familiar, I was "blessed" by being followed by all of them :-/
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Lucky you. I do not think I have any thumpers following me.
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No one wants to be "blessed" by a giant eagle....
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I think she felt she could convert me, Haha!! Perhaps because I'm generally nice and patient with her type, her Christian mind couldn't fathom that a "real" atheist could be civil and polite.
Oh well, La vi continua :)
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I'm unsure why she "followed" me either since she clearly didn't care for me. Perhaps she wanted to keep track of the evil atheists she wanted to convert.
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Caluvox-The comment that I made "I have much bigger things to correct (atheism)" that made you lose respect for me was said in a joking way. I thought you knew from my past on here that I am a jokester. You lost respect for me all over a joke. You were wondering why I made you a contact. Because you were nice the last time I was on here.

And no, I wasn't Joanie.

If you consider my questions preaching, and you have an aversion for it, what would make you even come to my questions? Caluvox, you came to almost all of my questions. Even after you lost respect for me over a joke.

Skeptikitten-You say you wonder why I followed you when I didn't like you. Who said that I didn't like you? I felt more at home with atheists from my time on here. Most were less judgmental of me than other religions because I was just considered "another" religion.

If I am so "irritating" why do all of you seek out irritations. You kept coming to my questions?
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Weren't you leaving? Or were you just trying to be over-dramatic and persecuted?

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11111....this site, as well as all online sites like these, can be tricky in not getting offended. Its difficult to "know" when someone is joking by reading the words alone. Cannot see facial gestures, hear tones of voices, see body language or know a particular persons sense of humor. I dont like name calling, either. There r many things i read that r offensive either to me or tk others but i have to choose to " let it go." In the end, yoy have to decide if u want to be the bigger person. remember
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.....remember jesus words on the cross, " father, forgive them for what they do." To shine His light, shall we do the same? I only want to encourage u. You should just keep your profile....keep your head up and walk humbly before GOD. :)
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Never have never will. Can people that have religious questions ask a religious church person?

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Many times...but every time i read I get stronger spiritually.

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I have read the Bible in its entirety twice, countless excerpts. Since I found it childish and fantastical, I've also read the Qur'an, the Torah, Midrash and as much of the Talmud as I could take. I've also studied teachings of Confucius and the Buddha, which I found far more compelling. The doctrines embodied in the Abrahamic religions are so archaic and silly, I still to this day wonder how modern intelligent people still fall under their spell. It also boggles the mind how many believers refuse to do the research I have and demean me as uninformed, damned or delusional. Sorry, churchies, I am of the opinion it is the believers who suffer from the delusion, and deny disproof that lies plainly in front of their eyes, preferring instead the expedient comfort of blind faith in ancient unprovable fables of invisible gods and fearful folklore.

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Spot on!
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wow you removed my answer . interesting don't want me talking about God huh?

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About 25 times and I love the Bible....love it.... live it... read it...love it....

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Twice cover to cover. Probably more in bits n pieces. Ive started a chronological study this year and will have read it thru again when im done.

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Still working on my first from cover to cover, but I have studied different parts in great detail.

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