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Do you go to Hell if you're homosexual?

Just Wondering, and does what does it say about it in the Bible?

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Phlorence_602

That is for God himself to decide.
No one can actually say anything about that.

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Phlorence_602
No
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that is the most true and modest thing I've heard all day. I want to tell you that you are very much appreciated for that answer
tired of these dorks being so mean about crap like that.
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Well, even though God is the ultimate judge, there are scriptures that clearly say that God hates it. Just saying.
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Phlorence_602
Well, the person asked, if you would go to heaven if you're homo...
You never know, maybe the person changed before judgement day.
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phlorence is correct
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no but it is definetly a sin. the bible talks about that being very very bad but u would not go to hell if u still believe jesus is the messiah and lord of all

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Your right, but it isn't any worse than any other sin
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i agree!!
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It isn't a sin people can't help being gay and god won't punish someone for being the way he made them
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that's what i'm saying!!
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yes adam and eve not adam and steve

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Heard that one lol
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me 2
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Remember kids. It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. :)
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Adam and Eve were not....,anything. They never existed. Think for yourself, you know how silly that myth is.
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So who were the first ppl on earth TheZ?
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so if adam & eve never existed where did you come from hell..
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No one knows. As animals are constantly evolving, we originated from an apelike ancestor. Humans evolved from earlier forms over millennia. That's where we all came from.
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1.Adam and Eve were never married, so you're technically a bastard.
2. Adam and Eve obviously weren't very good parents, because one of their sons murdered the other one then ran away from home.
3. Adam and Eve are fictional mythological characters. They didn't really exist.
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Doesn't the Bible also say how the Son shall be the judge of souls on the Last Day? And somehow, considering that the only places there is anti gay feeling is in the Law, (which we know was tampered with by the Elders of Israel) and in the Pauline books (Paul was a Jew, and Jewish culture is stereo typically anti gay) I feel that homosexuality if 'true love' is no worse or better than heterosexual 'true love'.
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To "TheZ"
You can have your own opinion, just don't mock and make fun of mine. A myth is like Zeus and Poseidon, not Adam and Eve. By the way, no, I don't know how "silly" that "myth" is, because it's not a myth. Think about it.... The Bible is a historical record of countless events.
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The same goes for you (as of "TheZ"). Also, we're not bastards. That way of thinking with the church and everyone else didn't come along until a church was actually formed.
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Tyler-
You can have your own opinion, just don't mock and make fun of other peoples'.
A myth is like Adam & Eve, not science & evidence. By the way, yes, I do know how "silly" that myth is, because it is just a myth.
Think about it.... Thee is absolutely no objective corroborating evidence to support the biblical myths.
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This guys full of dogshit
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I really couldn't say. It matter on what you believe. To my opinion there is absolutely nothing wrong with it but some people would believe otherwise.

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once again.....awesome answer
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no becuses my friend is like that

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So if your friend was a pedophile would that mean it's okay to be a pedophile?
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So then if your friend was a pedophile that would mean that pedophiles are okay?
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Stryid3 is right, just because someone does something doesn't mean it's right. The Bible has obvious indications that it's wrong.
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Republicans are the same way. (And I can't help but constantly find comparisons between illogical right wingers and illogical believers...) Is there a rare illness that is super expensive to treat? Do we support tax supported funds to help learn more about this rare illness? If one is a Democrat, sure! We as a society must all band together to help the most in need! If one is a Republican, of COURSE NOT!! After all--THEY aren't suffering from it! Why should ANY of their money go towards curing an illness THEY don't suffer from? Until!!!!! Until someone close to them has the illness. THEN, holy cow, watch them support tax initiatives to help that person super close to them!

Really?

Now I agree with lovechear! There are people like that, so we should be accepting and loving to all people. BUT!

You DON'T need to KNOW someone in order to be supportive!
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wow your friend must be jesus then
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To "Noveltman"
You do know that the U.S. was founded off of the Republic, right?
The Pledge of Allegiance-"To the Republic, for which it stands..."
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Yeah. Now argue for why we should all still be Whigs.
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You go to heaven if you accept JESUS as your lord and savior. ALL of us will have to stand before GOD as we have all sinned.

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Reminds me of a quote "don't judge me just because I sin differently than you."
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Some religions will agree to that, and some others disagree.

I for one, don't believe it.

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The Bible says many things, for instance you aren't supposed to eat seafood if you follow the Bible.

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Are you sure about that?
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Which religion are you talking about?
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hey boy
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god
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Yes, Christianity. In the same section as that in Leviticus. It was equated with homosexuality, as was wearing mixed fabrics.
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The Christian religion is ridiculous.
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Chrisitans believe that when Jesus came with the New Testament, it replaced the laws in the Old Testament (so one could surmise that if Chrisitans think the Old Testament talks of homosexuality being wrong and they want to use that as an excuse today, they should follow all of the laws outlined in the Old Testament and they should also not eat bacon). The Jewish religion believes and still follows the Old Testament only, including not eating seafood, pork or wearing mixed fabrics. No where in the Bible does the word homosexual show up. Not once. The commonly used scriptures used as "proof" of "homosexuality being an abomination" do not refer to homosexuality at all, or rather consenting adults. Those passages in original Hebrew refer to lewd sexual acts, such as rape, prostitution and child abuse, but religions like to twist the contents of the Bible to use as an excuse for their own discriminatory views. The English translation of the word "abomination" is not correct either. You know that old cliche "a lot is lost in translation"? Applies BIG TIME to the translation of the Bible to English.
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Are you serious?! There is a religion that you cannot eat seafood?! THAT is rediculous.
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The Christian religion isn't ridiculous, "zoologicalrevival".
Like I've said to others, you can believe in whatever you want (God has given you that choice) but don't mock and make fun of my religion. For one day, we will all have to stand before God. What will YOU say to him, zoologicalrevival?
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God forgives all sins. Remember that.

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As far as in know, the bible says its a sin. Do homosexuals go to hell? I don't think so. But I also don't think it's my business, or anyone else's business , what lifestyle choice someone else decides to make. (Unless that is, it infringes on others.) We should be kind, loving, and accepting of others no matter what. We will be judged based on the judgements we pass onto others, remember that.

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Good answer and I agree ! You're a very smart young lady !
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Thanks, John. :) How are you, btw?
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Oh , not great , but not to bad ! A little bit of the dizzies and nausea today . Just taking it easy !
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Oh that's no fun I'm sorry! Hope you feel better! There's been a weird bug going around I've noticed!
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Hi Shaylen. A+ answer!
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Thank you Sam! Nice to see you again. :)
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I personally don't even think Hell exists.. So no

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Why?
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I just don't. I know it's stupid, but I tend to pick and choose what I believe in. I think once someone dies they go to heaven, and that God forgives whatever sins may have been made.
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Even if they're like some sort of mass serial ki.ller or rapi.st?
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I'm not getting into this.
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Ok ok sorry!
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Some say this, living on earth, is hell.
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@wall-it certainly can be.
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I believe that Hell certainly is real. That is what my church has taught me, and that is what I believe in. These demons could very well be living among us right now.....
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no one can tell if anyone can go to hell or heaven because of any reason,but alway remember God give divine gace to save us

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*nod* that's right.
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No, hell doesn't exist.

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Yes it does.
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Not to people that aren'y insane.
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You mean we the people that believe is insane?
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Basicly it's believing in a fairy tale and letting it control you, so yes.
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I see.
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I don't think that qualities someone as insane. As long as their beliefs don't make them a threat to society, or neurotic.
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I don't think you have a right to call US "insane". Keep those thoughts to yourself..
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Future advice, please.
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You should take grammar lessons and if the only comebacks you use are for 3 year olds, you should't say them at all. You need a brain lol
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Putting lol sounds stupid? I don't care CLEARLY.
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Grow a brain.
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growing brains is my day job.
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Then keep one
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Phlorence_602
Why should he?
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You're right, he doesn't deserve the brain he doesn't have
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swallex forgot to change her t@mpon
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2 days ago, athennas cried foul! Saying "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!!"

But I looked at all the comments above where athennas bemoaned her prior treatment at the hands of swallex.

Nothing.

Nothing but kind words and low-key discussion.

Why? Why do theists always see everyone else attacking them??
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they jelly of all our swag......?
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........if anyone can translate, I'd appreciate it........
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lol just a joke........but if I must "they are jealous of all our "swag"......?

swag=style
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I think I get it. I think...
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Yeah I was going for the whole "brainless" thing swallex started.
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You seem interiorly conflicted, arabbit.
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ummm.....? lol no I was just trolling
trolling- to purposely mess with someone
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All in good times.
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You forgot to change your tampon arabbit
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:p cant think of anything else?
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blank, disbelieving silence...
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i meant all she did was use my comeback...
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So did I. But don't get all protective of that comeback. It wasn't that good to start with.
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to problems i think kesha is an insult to the music industry and you spelt "important" wrong twice.
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I think we can all agree to look past spelling. If the latest slate of graduates is any indication, it won't matter at all in 30 years anyway.
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I only meant correct spelling.
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Yes it does exist
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please pretty please dont argue again my notifications cant take another blow
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"swallex" is a jackass.
No one likes your pissy, rude comments, dude.
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So how about YOU grow a brain, "swallex" and stop mocking and criticizing others with your hate mongering.
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Lol cry me a river. Grow a brain btw.
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In the bible, it says that it is a sin and you won't inherit the kingdom of God if you do it. No questions asked.

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In Christian faith, I'm saying no.
There are many sins to be judged on in the afterlife. To God, a sin is just that a sin. Almost like a Line mark on a wall. It doesn't matter. We also deal with a forgiving god. God doesn't condemn the innocent. Honest homosexuality (Not Bi curious, or those seeking attention, -_- you know who you are), those who know no desire for the opposite sex, cannot help themselves. To persecute them shies them away from the chance to accept our lord and savior. Which is all you need.

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I can not answer who goes to hell and who doesn't... and I don't even know if hell exists... No one can, and no one does... The best thing we can do is survive, and learn to not be so bothered by others if there actions have no effect on you... I'm not sure why the christian god gets so distressed by homosexuality, if he does and if he exists... but his distress is not our problem...

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God is a masochistic, misogynist male 2 year old who hates girls, dreamt up by ancient, uneducated, illiterate cave-dwellers.
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I'd replace masochistic with sadistic...
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Perhaps. I think you're right.
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Perhaps jesus would be slightly masochistic...
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Or into feet...
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That's good. I'd say "HA!" but I don't think they let you post in all caps.
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Yes ask... Please remove all my comments... Thank you...
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Yes, you burn in the depth of hell......... My opinion there is no hell god just takes away your existence..

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Once you dive into some theology. Hell isn't a place.
It's a state of being that defines itself as being seperated from God.
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"You will burn in the depth of hell. I don't believe on hell" what? 0_o
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lol i mean if there were a hell you'd burn in the depth of hell..
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No.
If God found it to be so wrong, then he would not have made people homosexual.
Besides, as people, we have no right to judge others. Only God can judge them.

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Then God also made people murderers and pedophiles and cannibals. But lets not judge them.
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No. Those are choices. Homosexuality is not a choice
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I think that if you asked a pedophile if he/she chose to be attracted to children that he/she would tell you no.
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They would all say that. But we all know he didn't have to go raping people, or what else
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What I'm saying is that people have compulsive, uncontrollable urges. Some people are just wired differently than others. While I agree that you can't necessarily change who you really are, that doesn't mean that who you are is okay. There are serial killers who didn't choose to become killers..they were driven by some force that you or I couldn't possibly imagine. They would continue to kill until they got caught or died. In other words..it was part of their DNA. That doesn't make it okay.
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True.
However the LGBT community does not do any harm.
Therefore, in my eyes, gay is okay.
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Iratus you sound like you got your education off the internet..
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So, because I'm not judgmental, I'm an idiot?
For your information, I'm very educated.
It's people like you that make me want to give up on the human race.
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I'm not an expert when it comes to the bible but I'm pretty sure that it does condemn homosexuality. That being said, I think it's interesting that people choose what and what not to believe in concerning the bible based on what I can only believe are their own personal opinions about things. I thought that the whole idea was to base your beliefs on the teachings of the bible.
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why are you comparing homosexuals to murders?
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Maybe, if I was Christian. But I've learned for it to be overrated because of the judgement in the bible.
I put the God part for people to think before they judge
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Good question, since they are not even close
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well they are both against most religions hence why they are being compared
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I compared homosexuals to murderers because Iratus said that God created homosexuals so they must be okay...that God would not have created something that wasn't okay. Well, IF there is a God and he's responsible for creating all life then he also created murderers and pedophiles, right? Does that make them okay?
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Haven't been there yet, so I couldn't tell you.

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*high five* ???
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Yet? Lol
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Ayyy!
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If you spend your life fearing hell, you will never get much from it. The time for the oppression of religion has long been over. Live your life, seek all the love and goodness you can while you are here, don't waste your time or your breath on fearful myths and fantasies no one has EVER produced a shred of proof of.

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Chill out i believe theres and after life I'm not going to the mental institution, nor paranoid it's just good to not do wrong and know there will be consequences if you do wrong and if your such a saint then you wouldn't have to think about hell, if you do you must be guilty.
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God meant for marriage to be between a man and a woman. Hence Adam (man) and Eve (woman). We all have to stand before God. He is our ultimate judge. But is homosexuality wrong? Yes, according to bible standards. According to worldly standards, homosexuality is becoming more and more accepted which is such a sad thing to see happening.

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Such a sad thing? No, it's not. It's a good thing. Because we are all God's children
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Yes we are but God did not create us to be homosexual.
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And how do you know? Did god tell you? I highly doubt that.
So it's ok for someone to be bullied and seen as wrong for being themselves?
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If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. (NIV, 1st Corinthians 6:9-11)

These aren't my words. They are the words of the Lord.
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They are the words of MAN. Not God. God did not write the bible. And what about "love thy neighbor?" You sir have no write to judge.
We all sin. Just in different ways. You are no better
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I never said I was better than you... And you are right, other disciples and apostles wrote the bible. I was wrong there but God is quoted in the bible so it is correct for me to say that those are the words of the Lord.

Listen, I'm not trying to be offensive. I'm a sinner just as much as you are. I am undeserving of the Lord's mercy. But he has forgiven me and gave me a second chance.

Religious arguments will continue as long as humans still breathe. I cannot wait until I am with the Lord in Heaven.
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God doesn't have children.
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I'm with you, Josh.
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@Josh: From the scriptures you quoted we can draw two conclusions. First, people who engage in homosexuals acts should be executed. Right? Secondly, wicked people and immoral people will not inherit the kingdom of God. But are homosexuals wicked? Why would you think they are wicked? They may be sinful, as are you and me, but how do you define wicked? As to immoral, immoral sex would be premarital sex according to your Bible. Are homosexuals the only ones having premarital sex? As a heterosexual male I can tell you for a fact there are far more heterosexuals having premarital sex than there are homosexuals -- and you folks won't even give them the option to marry so they can engage in moral sex. Kind of a Catch 22 don't you think?

But what I would ask is how you know so much about the mind and motivations of homosexuals. Where you homosexual at one time and changed your sexual orientation to heterosexual (assuming that is even possible)? Otherwise, I really don't how you would know so much about them.
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@Josh I noticed that the 2 quotes you provided are from 2 different translated versions of the Bible. If you did just a little research about Bible translations, you would know that the 2 quotes you offered, and more in the Bible that is typically used as "proof" that "homosexuality is an abomination", were not translated 100% correctly. There is actually no use of the word "abomination" in the Hebrew version. That word, along with many others, were mistranslated. And the sexually immoral scripture refers to rape, prostitution and child abuse, not the love and consenting act of 2 adults, no matter their gender.
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No! no no no no! homo sexual is NOT against the bible. God said his self that love is love.......don't think that,who get said that to you or put you under that impression should go to hell

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Now, where does God say that exactly?
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When the heck....? You make me want to cry cause your so stupid. When in the bloody hell did god ever say love is love?!
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I ain't stupid......I don't use the bible against crap like that. you are plainly retarded think that love should be one way.......I'm homo and highly AM by the bible and go to church.....Your way in life on how you think and love doesn't depend on where you go. get your head out of the clouds and see how dumb you are for going against that. quit being shellfish dorks,grow a pair,and accept that loving the opposite sex ain't always how life is going to be. God didn't make this world for judgment ....he made it for understanding and learning.I ain't dumb...quit being so darn mean.
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I agree with you! Everyone is equal no matter what and love is love and you cant control it. If your attracted to someone its not going to go away so except it. Its not a choice.
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thank you! someone understands!!!
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It's for god to decide. Not anybody else.

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Bibles were written from man point blank I don't abide by the bible because of that reason it's all wat they think god wants but God has no HATE WITHIN HIM HE MAKES NO MISTAKE. ya they say homosexuality will end population but duh that's why everybodys not gay . I believe he loves his kids he made them a certain way for a reason .he loves us all sexual preference makes no different .. now if you kill n dnt repent that's different

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I'm so sorry! Lmao.
You're name... you need to change it.
I read everything you said and honestly I can nod my head in agreement.
But holy cow! I'm laughing because I didn't expect your name to be so funny.
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How very narrow minded of you momo.......you should know better than that.
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People do not choose to be gay. They ARE taught religion.

God told me it was perfectly fine to be gay...
What do you mean God does not talk to people? My point exactly. It is extremely arrogant to claim to know the mind of God.
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Hi guys, glad to see you on board! ;)
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Scott, birth doesn't affect your sexual preference or any other aspect of your life. Environment does and is the key word! Your environment affects what you will one day become. If you believe people are boring homo, or hetero, then you have to say that people are born suicidal or evil too. Bin Laden wasn't born evil, and Amanda Todd wasn't born suicidal either. I disagree that desire is innately biological, as I said before, I believe (based on my studies in child psychology) that it is heavily dependent on experience, nurture,ect. How can anyone say they were born gay? What does that even look like? I certainly can't say I was born heterosexual, although biologically that would make more sense from an evolutionary standpoint, in order to facilitate reproduction and so forth.

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So you believe a hetero child is reared hetero as well?
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Regardless of whether you were born heterosexual or not (and I believe you were), if you are heterosexual you CAN NOT change that fact. Since it is a characteristic that you can not change even if you wanted to ( you can not choose to be gay ) I accept and respect you the way you are. The why does not really matter, but the way that we treat others and the information that we give them does matter.

Telling children that they are going to hell will not stop them from being homosexual, it will only make the already tough experience they are going to have all the more difficult.
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It is up there
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Even if you are not born gay and I believe that you are, it is a characteristic that you can not change. You could not choose to be gay even if you wanted to. Since it is something that you can not change I choose to treat you with respect and compassion as the heterosexual that you are.

Telling children that they will go to hell if they are gay will NOT stop them from being gay, it will only add to the hurt and confusion that they already experience.
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I know i shouldnt have answered a "yes" only, but why else do they call it a sexual preference? Your personal preference is obviously something you prefer, eluding to options to choose from. You don't wake up one day and say "I'm gay" because it is a gradual process for them to realize they are different and to come to terms with that. Not to mention the fear of coming out to family and friends and being rejected keeps them pretending to be straight far longer then they would like. Many gay people I've talked to said they knew they were different from a very early age but it wasn't until they were teens that they realized they were gay and then it was even longer until they felt comfortable enough to tell people they were gay. On the other hand, straight people don't wake up one day and say "I think I'll be straight." They just are. Heck, it even takes some youngsters a long time to come to terms with liking the opposite sex. I remember a friend of mine went a long time insisting he didn't like girls yet even though we could tell he did.
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Im off to bed now...I'm still interested in this conversation, and will respond again later tmrw. Good night, my friends! :P
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So heteros can be hetero because they "just are" but not a gay person?


And it is sexual "orientation" not preference....
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You wrote " On the other hand, straight people don't wake up one day and say "I think I'll be straight." They just are. "

Why do you think gay people are any different?
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Exactly Yosey. It is not a preference.
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Especially considering both biological research and study of the 200 some other species that exhibit homosexuality indicates it is inborn.

If homosexuality were environmental you would see a greater incidence of homosexuality among siblings raised together than the general population. This is not the case. You would see no correlation between homosexuality and birth order of males- this is also not the case. You would see a negative correlation of identical twins raised apart in homosexuality- in fact, identical twins raised apart have a higher incidence of both twins being homosexual than fraternal twins raised apart.

Let's not forget the stigma factor- as my best friend from high school put it: "Yes, I chose to like men, so I could get discriminated against, hated, and beaten up on the subway. Brilliant deduction".

Every indication is that sexual orientation is inborn.
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Thank you Skeptikitten for providing some science to the conversation. Great comment.
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Excellent input Skep!!!
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Skep, people are wrong and right at the same time on this issue.If Iiked to do something that I enjoyed and it was looked on as being something sick to the rest of the population, of course I would rather think it is something that I have no choice about. In a more destructive venue, millions of addicts and alcoholics do it all the time.. Thinking "It's just not their fault" is easier then saying it was a choice.. even if they don't realize it. After all, they call it "sexual orientation"...It really sounds like something made up instead of a true psychologist finding. I mean the only reason you would need to make a term like "sexual Orientation" is because of gay people. am i right?
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As i said before I know this is one of those issues where people have very strong opinions on and so do I. You are not born gay people, you choose that life style. There is absolutely zero scientific data to show that people are born gay. People shouldn't blame their choices on how they were born they should just say they have chosen to live that way.
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Momo, no you are not right. You are the one who thinks it is sick, not the rest of the world. Yes there are more out there like you which is the tragedy of it all. That is close-minded, egotistical thinking, and frankly it disgusts me to no end. You are calling people "sick" (people you know) because YOU do not want to be gay. No one wants/chooses to be gay. People are born with their orientation intact. It is discovered through puberty and sometimes earlier no matter which orientation you are. No child or teen sets out to say "Hey...I choose to be gay". That idea is preposterous!

I am so angry and disappointed in you right now momo......
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aww, you know i dont mean to be mean with my eagle friend...sorry if i disappoibtyed you :(
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Momo you would have been better off simply saying that for me it is a sin. Why do you not tell all of the people on this thread that are also against homosexuality that are using their Christian Bible as the reason for their hate, that you do not believe in their Bible, or even that Jesus is who they think he is...the Messiah and son of God.

You see Momo people believe a lot of things that may or may not be true and I guarantee you that those same people who seem to agree with you about homosexuality will turn on you if you start trying to tell them about the Koran or Mohammad.

I however respect your right to believe as you do, even if it is different from my own personal belief without calling it or you sick and wrong. I certainly hope that if you do have children none of them happens to be gay, but it would almost be a fitting form of karma if they were.
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I agree with what others are saying, about it not being a choice. People don't say it's not a choice to justify their feelings, momo. Why would someone choose to get bullied (as some do,) or be viewed differently? As a Christian, I don't support the lifestyle, but I do love the people, gay, straight, or whatever. You know, people have actually commited Sui.cide over it. They feel attraction towards the same sex, and are confused and scared by these feelings, and feel alone. It's certainly NOT a choose. The choice is whether or not you act upon it, but whether or not the choose to act upon it, is their business. We all sin, don't condemn others that sin differently.
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Bizarre how you claim there's no scientific evidence momo, when I just referenced several studies. As a biologist, I keep rather up to date on these issues. And no one on your "choice" side has ever been able to explain then how we have over 200 other species that have homosexuality as part of their normal spectrum of behaviors. It has an evolutionary advantage in cooperative species.

It's clear from the use of terms like "sick" that you have let your bias against gay people cloud any rational judgement.
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Welcome on board shaylen! Of course no one chooses to be bullied but neither were they born to be. They were bullied because they had grown up in a way that was displeasing to the majority (which is what im trying to say since the beginning 'environnent'). Was the bully born to be bully ? No, he was nurtured into one. Was the bullied born to be bullied? No, he was raised in an environnent where bullying often took place. You know I love you for the sake of God, (and i also love others as my brothers and sisters in humanity), but this is is not a valid argument against sexual orientation being a choice but against those loved ones and main stream society being accepting open minded individual.
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I'm not yet convinced people are born gay. I don't mind if people choose to be gay. I know I'm not going to be getting a whole bunch of support for this, and I am open to any scientific evidence (btw Skep there are more articles written against homosexuality). Until objective facts show me the error of my ways, I will choose to believe that people decide to be gay. Anyway, I hope everyone - gay, straight, black, white, green, brown, has a lovely sunny tuesday! It'sbeen raining and raining and raining over here.
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This thread has gone from absurd to ignorant. You simply can not compare being a bully or even alcoholism to homosexuality. There are millions and millions of homosexual people in the world and if it were a choice you would see at least some of them choosing to be straight. The fact is that we do not know exactly what factors cause homosexuality, genetic, environmental etc. and in fact all of those things might contribute, but even if it were a choice (and it is NOT) we should respect people and who the love. There are a lot worse problems in the world.

Momo if you are not gay then there is no amount of will power, money or determination that would make it possible for you to choose to be gay. If you still after thinking this through believe that YOU could choose to be gay (since you are straight ) there is more going on than this topic could possibly address.
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It is, because if someone wouldn't kill themselves over something they could change, now would they? Being gay is like having blue eyes: it occurs in birth. No one knows exactly the cause yet, but it's born into someone. Parents that have Children that are born gay, often express more interests that are typically feminine, and attraction towards the same sex manifests itself as the child becomes old enough to feel attraction toward a the opposite sex. (Since attraction towards males is a feminine trait, it's another manifestation.) actions are choices, attractions are not. Talk to a parent with a gay child, most will express they noticed a difference in their child at a very young age.
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Shaylen, I majored in child psychology and was employed for a time at a state mental health department (before becoming a school teacher), including working with children. For your information, Child psychologists almost uniformly agree that young children are highly susceptible to the influences of role models in shaping their sexual identities, particularly if controlled by homosexual parents. When YOU are part of the experiment, you can possibly understand the results.

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And I am a professional biologist. Sorry, but research shows sexual orientation is inborn. Homosexual parents are no more likely than heterosexual parents to have homosexual children.

Your bigotry has gotten in the way of any ability you once had to discern information rationally. Your very language betrays your bias- "controlled by", "sick". And there is a reason homosexuality was removed from the DSM, because all emerging research showed it was a normal part of the human sexuality spectrum and that it is not a disorder.
Sounds like you ignored any research done after 1970.
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Also, I only oppose gay marriages (which somehow lead to your new topic; same-sex-parenting.)
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@momo-so, you're saying, if two parents are gay, the child is most likely to become gay as well?? So then why is it that children with STRAIGHT parents, are capable of having a gay child? Many of which grow up in loving, safe homes.
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@momo-could you least post evidential support to back up your claim? I find that very hard to believe. (That most psychologist agree.) I've read and seen differently.
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I have to agree with skept for once, something I never thought I'd say, as she's atheist, I'm Christian. I don't support gay marriage, but being gay is definitely not something someone just decides to be. I think children deserve a mother and a father, but I neither parent plays a role in a child's sexuality.
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Children deserve parents that love them- gender is irrelevant.

Marriage equality is a civil right. No religion has the right to determine the law for the country as a whole.
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@shaylen, the problem is with the misrepresentation the same sex couple will cause the child while parenting them. Im not saying whether or not these kids will also become gays. The other thing about same sex couple it will teach the child that it's natural for two men or two women to be in a relationship, even though they themselves might not grow up as a homosexual they will have this imprinted into them when they grow?up.
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it's like if I see a cloud in the sky it does not mean that it will rain. Having gay parents and they have done surveys does not mean children are conditioned into becoming gay themselves. That everyone knows.
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Yes, how can we possibly have children learning normal, natural spectrums of sexuality are normal and natural? Horrible thing.
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Skept, I know that children deserve love from their parents, but I also know (so do you) that when two men or two women are raising a child together they are missing the other element of a man or woman from their relationship in education of the child about the genders. And of course children learn from the sexes of both of their parents about men and women. Now in single parent families when there is only one parent raising the child the child learns from their parent about that gender while the child has to learn about the other gender from other relatives or friends which has proven to be difficult for a child to really grasp learning about that gender versus a two parent family with both a man and a woman.


Again skept, I just think that the idea of heterosexual tradition has been ingrained into the institution of marriage and to include same-sex marriage devalues marriage as a whole.That being said, I believe that homosexual couples could join together in union, but in an type of union that does NOT interfere with the institution of marriage.
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Heterosexuals have devalued marriage. So unless you are out there protesting against divorce and quickie Vegas marriages you're a hypocrite.

There is ZERO evidence that a child raised by two mothers or two fathers is missing anything- that's just your conjecture. You should, by extension, spend more time then fighting single parenthood, since 6 our of every 10 American children in raised in a single parent home. Else again- hypocrisy.

You are suggesting "separate but equal"- ask the African Americans how well that worked our for them. You purpose that making Americans second class citizens due solely to sexual orientation is okay, that denying their unions equal benefits and protections under the law just because of the gender of their spouse is fine. It's discrimination, plain and simple. The same spurious arguments you are attempting were made against interracial marriage in the sixties. You're on the wrong side of history here.
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You have also failed to illustrate how gay marriage in any way "interferes with" heterosexual marriage. Can straights still get married? Yep. Do they still get benefits? Yep.
Hmmm. I can't think of any way gay marriage affects straight marriage.
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Of course it does interferes with marriage, and does it so without returning tangible benefit to society in the form of new members. Thats my whole point, it does! Our institution of marriage has been devalued enough in the past years and applying it to non-productive homosexual unions would only further these trends. We need to be in line with reality and treating homosexual unions as something they are not will defeat that goal.
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@McBenjamin- your Bronze Age mythology is irrelevant to the law.
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You still have failed to provide even a jot of evidence that gay marriage interferes with straight marriage in any way.

As for "unproductive"- why are you not out lobbying against marriages of the infertile, the childless by choice, or the over 55? Because your position is hypocritical, clearly. Marriage is not predicated on reproduction so your argument is spurious.

You also forget that those in gay marriages adopt children abandoned by society, languishing in the system.

Again- you are simply looking for ways to justify your prejudice yet without providing a shred of evidence to support your claim.
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Skept, an attack on the oldest and most important institution on the planet affects EVERYONE, not just married couples.
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Again- you have no evidence marriage is being attacked. In fact, it's quite the opposite- more people want access to the institution that are being denied by bigotry alone.
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Also, you have no evidence it is the oldest or the most important institution.
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You really dont need any evidence for marriage being a historical instutition... do you? I mean our most ancient ancestors were a type of pair bonding species and species of animal mate for life.
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Pair bonding and mating is not the same as marriage. If it were, you could not argue against homosexuality in the first place since it constitutes pair bonding.

Marriage is a legal custom originating much later for property rights and tribal alliances.

You still fail to provide any evidence of gay marriage harming straight marriage. In fact, the evidence is against you as nations like Canada and Sweden that have legal gay marriage have shown no ill effects to straight marriage. Canada's divorce rate actually went down.

You make a lot of claims here yet provide no support for any of them.
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@momo @skeptikitten - years ago while trying to understand love and eroticism, I found this article: Exotic Becomes Erotic. A Developmental Theory of Sexual Orientation, by Daryl J. Bem. Psychological Review 1996 Vol. 103 No 2. Pg 320-325. It's an older article but I think you will find it interesting because of its breadth.
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Will homosexuals go to hell if they do not repent? I believe that they will. I believe that liars will go to hell if they do not repent. I believe that swindlers, arrogant people, abusers, selfish people, manipulators and gamblers will all go to hell if they do not repent. In other words, all of us will go to hell if we do not repent of our sins. There is no difference (Romans 3:10-12). I will acknowledge that homosexuality carries some special issues with it, but in the end, there is no significant difference in how God will deal with one kind of sinner than another.

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Gamblers go to hell,? That's it then, I'm giving up my Friday night poker game, and Church bingo.
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strawberry girl - if Christians believe that liars, gamblers, abusers, and arrogant people are all as sinful and hell-bound as homosexuals, then WHY are Christians constantly pushing lawmakers to pass laws making homosexuality and marriage equality illegal, but you'll never once hear any of them saying that gambling or arrogance should be made illegal?
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My understanding is that it's okay to be homosexual as long as you don't act upon it. But apparently anything can be forgiven; the important thing is that you hold Jesus as your saviour. Personally, I think it's all just a load. Humans created the myth of an all-powerful being to explain the unexplainable, create fear and generate cash.

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You're not homosexual unless you act upon it.
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Unfortunately, yes. There is always hope though, if one repents.

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Yes thats cheating men like woman woman like men

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1 Corinthians 6:9-11- "What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10?nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. 11?And yet that is what some of YOU were. But YOU have been washed clean, but YOU have been sanctified, but YOU have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God."

The Bible states what it states - it is not up to mere human to judge or to dictate what will happen to anyone. However, the Bible gives us a guidelines in respects to the principle behavior that Almighty God Jehovah approves of in order to have his approval.

Hell is mankind common grave. It is not a place of eternal torture - so no matter what your lifetstyle is - when we die - we all return to dust - mankind common grave. (Genesis 3:19)Eccl 9:10.

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Don't wear clothes made of more than one fabric (Leviticus 19:19)

If a man cheats on his wife, or vise versa, both the man and the woman must die. (Leviticus 20:10).

Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7)

Don't cut your hair nor shave. (Leviticus 19:27)

Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:28)

The bible puts prohibitions on loads of stuff from cutting your hair, getting tattoos to eating bacon. Luckily, we haven't taken our morality from the bible since the dark ages. People pick and chose from the bible depending on what suits them and what effects them. Like all religions they need somebody to hate on. It has been pagans, witches, women, Jews... homosexuals are one of the few minority groups it is still socially acceptable to pick on.
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Honestly I don't know why people choose to be so blind to follow a confusing scripture that goes back and forth on itself when read litteral. Not to mention that people refuse to believe that the bible was never once tampered with.

This much has been carried on since the birth of Christianity.
Love your neighbor
Do good things
God loves
God forgives
Accept Jesus as your lord and savior.
Practice everyday and remind yourself to humble by nature.

These are amazing lessons to live ones life by. No where in christian faith are we allowed to persecute or condemn. These people act not in faith, but in acceptance to their peers. This is not the christian way. This is a different nature that wheres the mask of christ. It is shameful.
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I should maybe also say that what other documents we have from the time indicate that the bible (like so many other old books, as was the custom then) are prescriptive rather than descriptive. In other words, the bible is saying, this is how it should be, and not 'this is how it is'. We have plenty of evidence that even the Jews didn't bother following all this stuff when it was written.
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Even so, as agreed, the history isn't what's important anymore. Christianity needs to turn around and learn to do as Jesus did. Love, forgive,and live with honor.
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The King James version of the bible was obviously tampered with. After all, it was put together at the request of King James hundreds of years after the Tora and after Christ to put a better slant on how the average person looked upon their king. Some people who blindly follow the bible are among those who deny that dinosaurs existed. The bible may guide us but should not be construed to have all of the answers we seek.
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No. First, hell is not real. Why would a loving God, punish people in a fiery hell forever? (1 John 4:8)

Also, God does not hate homosexuals. He does not approve of their conduct. The Bible makes it clear that God designed sex to be engaged in only between a male and a female and only within the arrangement of marriage. (Genesis 1:27, 28; Leviticus 18:22; Proverbs 5:18, 19) When the Bible condemns fornication, it is referring to both homosexual and illicit heterosexual conduct.(Galatians 5:19-21) The Bible says: ‘Honor men of all sorts’ or, as Today’s English Version renders it, ‘Respect everyone.’ (1 Peter 2:17) Therefore, Christians are not homophobic. They show kindness to all people, including those who are gay.(Matthew 7:12.)

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Well put! :) i wouldn't put my daughter in hell no matter what she does, how can the creator punish his creations?
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Exactly! Unfortunately, many fail to realize this.
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Uh...how about those of us that don't embrace god as our creator? Apparently, if we're wrong and god really does exist, then we will all be condemned to hell for not believing. That sounds like god punishing his creations to me.
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Well stryid3, God will read your heart. It's up to him.
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Honestly, why should anyone care? Hell can't even be proven to exist. Just live your life, and be happy with whomever you are attracted to and love.

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You merit the wrath of God if you ignore him and his laws. Much as you might merit the anger of your parents, if you ignore their instruction. But you must define terms. I consider Heaven to be where God is at home. Hell is everywhere else, for where God and his love is not at home, there is hell. So, the better question is, how to you get to stay in God's home?
If someone comes to my house, I invite them in if I know them, and I don't if they are strangers. I don't have a "standard" that I require them to adhere to; if they just ran a red light, or kissed someone of the same sex, I might still let them in. But if the law is chasing them, it's possible that would have to be dealt with-- but they would still be welcome, as long as I knew them.
So live, that God will invite you into his home in the end of days. And don't have anything that the cops will be chasing you for!

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