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Do you think a pedophile can or should be given the chance to be "rehabilitated"? What do YOU think causes this?

Do you think they are "born" this way? I am now curious, as a few months back, the sheriff came to my door looking for a "pedophile" who gave them my address as his residence. We don't know how or why he used it, we never had even heard of him nor met him. While talking to the police about it, (after they searched my house and finally believed me) they told me the guy had 3 cases, had already been to prison once, and was failing to register. I don't think I can post what his charges were as the police told me, but I will say it was on a child under 5. It made me sick. I ask this, because I just was on a website checking the offenders in my area, and was AMAZED at how many live within a 5 mile radius......And we don't live in a "bad area" by any means. Do you think there is a solution to this growing perversion?

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no!!!!! it's too big of a risk.

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hahaha phil, I had to reword a few of my comments. Don't feel bad.
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Jesus is the only answer that can truly "habilitate" someone

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Just ask all those priest
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Phil, if an atheist murders someone does that mean they are all murderers? Or that all atheists really don't believe in God?
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SB- since the calendar says that Jeebus supposedly lived over 2000 years ago, and there are STILL pedophiles in the world, well...
What's he waiting for?
How long should it take an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent deity to fix this one problem?
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@wicked There are three options.

1. "God" can't stop them.
2. "God" doesn't want to stop them.
3. "God" doesn't exist.
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gopanthers- Wicked good answer.
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Wait! So your saying God is suppose to step in an make your life better, and as soon as he is done, go back into the wood work because you can't be bothered with him? You say over and over again "god doesn't exist" and then you say, if he is here why doesn't make the world perfect? So you don't want to have to believe in him, but you want him to solve all your problems!
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"You say over and over again "god doesn't exist" and then you say, if he is here why doesn't make the world perfect?"

Say you created a whole entire world with billions of people. Would you not do your best to care for these people? At least show them you even exist? OR would you choose to be invisible and let your people kill each other and not have any evidence of you?
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Actually, I gave your god a chance. I was a Christian for the majority of my childhood. I devoted hours and hours of prayer and worship to this god. Did 'God' do anything for me? No.
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How old were you when you stopped?
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They cannot be rehab'ed. People don't change what their sexually attracted to. That is a fact.

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Everyone should have a chance at rehabilitation .. but they will still be labeled and treated as a pedophile, and suffer the consequences.

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Second chance to destroy a child and NOT get caught again.
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notbob...that is very interesting. I wonder, if these "statistics" that are thrown around about how they can change include those that don't get caught. I wonder how many reoffend and DON'T get caught. Those same ones might just be some included in the "rehabilitated" ones...........ijs
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It's a sexual preference. People are born that way but environment/upbringing may exaggerate it. It's against the law because children are too young to make informed decisions about sex. It may be possible to control such desires, but they will always be there. Whatever effort it takes to control them will have to be permanent, for the rest of the person's life.

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It's a sexual perversion, a child under 5 is in no way shape or form a "sexual" being, no child is!!
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its not a sexual preference, its disgusting !!!!
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and they are not born that way, ohhh my goshhhhh o.O
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So if you don't think they are born that way, what exactly happens to them to make them that way? Do you think I was born a drug addict, or CHOSE to become one? I can tell you....I chose it. I chose to do what I did. And I think so does a pedophile.
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Yes, they are born that way. So are heterosexuals, homosexuals, and "bis". The difference is those three desire adults, who ARE able to make an informed decision of what they do or don't want. What we desire sexually is wired in our genes. What on earth do you think could make someone want sex with a child if it didn't come wired in?
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Really. That hysterical, are we? Well, some facts affect people that way.
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From what I have read there is no rehabilitation. I will be honest and have not studied it, just read an article here and there. I have never been one for not giving people a second chance, but I do believe this is a group that needs to segregated in someway.

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There ARE suppossed to be segregation. I know that here, they have to live outside of a certain distance of schools, parks, etc. BUT, I doubt many of them abide by it. And, in this guys case, it was his third offense at the same thing, yet they still let him out because he had an "acceptable" address. How he got mine, we don't know, but we live wayyyyyy out in a country area. Miles from anywhere or anything.....so I guess they accepted it until they came to check up on him. What do you think makes somebody do this type of horrific thing?
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And, actually gator what ticks me off is that a little over 12 years ago, I was a bad drug addict and got in minor trouble. I am here to tell you, that it seemed like I got a harder time than some of the pedophiles, or even murderers. Mine were drug related, non violent, and due to my own stupidity, which I paid for. Monetarily and otherwise. I just don't get it.
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Basically the law system sukks in this country, plus it varies state to state...sometimes county to county.
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True. Very true. I assure you that HERE, here....well here....I just shake my head.
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I believe in giving a second chance...if a lesson wasn't learned the first time and there is no empathy within him, then fry his butt. Not all offenders should be labeled as a singular group, might as well group ALL crimes in one group...few can make a difference in a positive way in their lives. As to the second part...I blame parents letting their kids dress adult like and I also blame reality tv as well as the internet. Especially the internet with these "corrupt" websites that these p3rvs get themselves so "worked" up on.

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I agree helix. If you read what I wrote gator, you will see more about this guy. I agree about the dress as well. I understand MAYBE a guy getting caught with his girlfriend, and he is just above legal age and she is just below it. I think in some cases that is an exception. Preying on a child? No.
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Yes..that is a disgusting no. Keep in mind though, stuff like this is mostly done by someone close..as a family member. So who can we trust these days.
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I'm glad you believe in second chances helix. Again if you read what I wrote gator, it seems like some people get a slap on the wrist no matter HOW many times they offend, yet others who have a minor charge, go through years of hell to get back on track. I am a productive member of society, and have been for years. I just don't understand how this guy can be on his third time (I believe) yet he still getting tapped on the wrist. Something is wrong with our legal society.
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Obviously people that engage in activities like this have more than a few screws loose in their sick melon......I mean, anyone that feels as though it's OK to take advantage of someone that doesn't know any better OR can't fend for themself, then they are apparently lacking proper morals.....what is the cause of all this???? I can't really say with exact certainty, but IF the Adam and Eve story is true, then we've all been "gettin it on" with out sisters and brothers and cousins.....which is considered by some to in-c-est-ual activity.....which they say causes "problems" with the offspring of such "relations".....which COULD mean that the mental diseases are finally showing their "true colors" after generations and generations of this behavior.......or not.....whatever......

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Where have you been!? I missed you buddy!
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Very thoughtful insight NAFTA about the mental diseases finally showing......hmmm never thought of that one........
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Aqua.....I don't really know where I've been.....I do know I haven't been here much though......8) Click, I really wish there was a definite answer for this question.....stuff like this makes me sick to my stomach......where my Sister lives, since I have been living here, she has received TWO notices in the mail about a sex-offender moving into the area......the one guy was doing "things" with his 13 year old niece.....smh.....
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Nope you sure haven't been on much NAFTA! Missed you friend!!!!
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As a Religious volunteer in the corrections system, I have to say that it bothers me greatly to see those individuals that do not follow the rules dictate the acts of so many that work hard to become productive citizens. Statistically speaking, Sex offenders that avail themselves to existing therapy programs either in outpatient or inpatient (while incarcerated) seldom re-offend. Actually less then 5% ever re-offend, and those that do, usually commit some non-person crime like burglary or theft. In fact most of those people that are reported as re-offending on sexually related offenses, did not do so their first offense. The problem lies in the fact that for those few that do re-offend or commit heinous offenses, are sensationalized in the news so that it seems that every offender is that way. Yes they can be rehabilitated, but are usually stigmatized that they don't feel like they have any chance at all.

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I have read and respect your answer Reverdan, and I am now curious about the productive citizen part. If you read other comments on here I have made, it just irritates me and seems like SOME of these offenders just keep getting slapped on the wrist, while other's charged with much less crimes go to prison. Why do you think that is?
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Unfortunately, I must admit, our legal system is flawed in that those with money to pay high powered legal help get the best treatment from the courts. Those that must relay on overworked public defenders who could care less about justice as just getting rid of their caseload. Granted many of those incarcerated for long periods of time, deserve it, but recent revelations in the laws of some states, like Missouri show that the system is flawed. (i.e. Missouri recently did away with the death penalty when over 100 people on death row in the U.S. were found innocent by DNA evidence). Only God's legal system would be perfect, but until that time, we must rely on human frailty. Every human, whether they have made mistakes in their lives or not can be productive, we just have to work as a society to make that happen. The problem is that we as a people are no longer a society, or as I see it, a community, we are all so focused on individuality, that we no longer know how to work as a society, or community to help those less fortunate find a right path.
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I agree Reverdan, and I applaud you for being on your mission within the penal system, and/or jails. There ARE some who can and do change their ways and DO become productive members of society.....I am speaking of myself....not the "offenders"......I put all of my past behind me, the drugs, the people, the places......but I know that some people don't want to change. I know I saw a lot of jailhouse religion, and hate to say it but I could spot it a mile away.
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A factual answer. With a rate to reoffend at less than 5% it's probably not much different than the overall population.
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Actually revenevan, the biggest group at risk for re-offense are the drug offenders. On average, they re-offend at a rate of 87%. The sad thing there is that a majority of those incarcerated for drugs are not there for personal use, but for sales and distribution, and those are mostly to our children.
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Clicketyclack, congratulations on your success of putting the past behind you. Regardless of how you may see it, you probably had a lot of support from friends and family. That is what is needed for everyone. Did you know that there is a place over in Great Britian, in a Parish of Scotland that has a maximum prison sentence of 90 days, and you have to be a multiple repeat offender to serve that. There is no person or property crimes there, every crime is a Crime against the community, and instead of prison, the offender must spend up to two years with the parish priest, and reimburse the community with community service dictated by the community, not the court.
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I totally agree. Drug addiction is one of the hardest addictions to overcome. In my case, I took myself off of the streets entirely, for 14 months to a inhouse program here that was then called The City of Hope, now called the Foundry. It gave me time to focus solely on me and my addiction. We lived there, worked there, worshiped there....did everything there. It was wonderful. Many think they can overcome something like that overnight. Not possible. One doesn't get into that shape "overnight" and it doesn't get under control "overnight". Yes, I am aware that a slim few walk away and never turn back, but in MY case, I knew that wasn't going to happen. I changed everything about myself....and I do mean everything. Also, I am quite sure you agree that the percentage of inmates crimes are somehow linked to a drug of one sort or another.....Did I ever think about relapse? Certainly. But I never would put myself in a situation where I would be tempted. I am open about it, I don't hide it, and if I can help ONE person not to do what I have been through, it is well worth it. I don't worry about those that judge me for my past......I move on.
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..also, I have enjoyed your response. I hope you don't mind, I have "followed" you. You have great insight, input, and feelings. Thank you for that.
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One more thing. I am just curious.....Do you have the ability, doing the volunteer work in the jail, to pretty closely tell who is serious about "not returning" and who is "running game"? I am not asking do you judge, I am asking about intuition.
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I just read one of your comments above. No, I actually did NOT have support. I had wrecked that years before. I went it alone. All of it. BUT I will say that what I robbed myself of, family and friend wise, I regained in time, and now are closer than ever. I worked hard at it. I showed everybody, including myself that I was serious, and that I meant it.
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NO!!!! It's a proven fact they do not change! Anyone who could ever look at a child and be turned on needs to be executed. Death is the only cure!

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It's not a proven fact...I sadly know someone who changed her life around completly.
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Agreed.
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S$xual attractions don't change. That's like straights turning gay, and gays turning straight because of a law
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Helix how young was she? She was prob a victim herself. Once you know better, and continue, you need to be removed from society, for good!
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Continue..absolutely. I say fry them.
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Proven fact that THEY do not change? I would love to hear where you got THAT statistic.
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@ phil53 .. pedophilia or even rape has nothing to do with 'sexual attraction' .. It has to do with control.
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If a life IS changed and turned around, then I applaud it. BUT, in this guys case, I am saying this is his THIRD time, and he is or was still getting a slap on the wrist. I know somebody who went to jail and stayed for almost 7 months waiting for a court date, because they couldnt make bail. Yet, the police told me that this guy was out on some kind of "program" within 30 days of his arrest. I'm sorry I just don't get it.
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Are you for real?? Read any psychological study on them. You tell me ONE who changed. There are none!
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http://www.corrections.com/news/article/24500-facts-and-fiction-about-sex-offenders
"Myth: Treatment is a waste of money on sex offenders
The New Hampshire Prison sex offender treatment program compiled recidivism data in 1999 for a national survey by the Colorado Department of Corrections. Lance Messenger, the New Hampshire program director at the time, reported a 6.2% sex crime re-arrest rate after an average of 4.8 years on parole for 204 men who completed the Intensive Sex Offender Treatment Program. The recidivism rate was 12.4% for 435 sex offenders who received no treatment and had spent an average of 8.6 years in the community. Messenger is now in private practice and recently told this writer his report did not constitute a rigorous scientific study.

A study in 2000 by the Vermont Corrections Department tracked 190 sex offenders released a decade earlier. The arrest rate over 10 years for new sex offenses was 3.8 percent for people who had completed the sex offender treatment program. It was 22.4 percent for those who started the program, but dropped out or got kicked out. Those who never attended had a 27 percent recidivism rate.

A 2003 New Zealand study led by Ian Labie entitled, “Paedophile programmes work,” found that 175 offenders who completed treatment while on parole had an average sexual recidivism rate of 5 per cent over four years. Two control groups without treatment attained rates of 21 and 25 percent.

A Colorado recidivism study in 2003 led by Kerry Lowden tracked 3338 sex offenders released from prison between 1993 and 2002. After three years in the community, 5.3 percent had been arrested for a new sex crime. Each month an inmate took part in the intensive therapeutic community for sex offenders behind the walls reduced by 1 percent his risk of committing a later sex crime. The report said these treatment programs “profoundly improve public safety as measured by officially recorded recidivism.” "
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Vermont corrections personnel tracked 195 adult male sex offenders over a six-year period ending in 2006. Those who completed sex offender treatment had a sex-offense recidivism rate of 5.4 percent, compared with 30 percent for people who never took that treatment.

Lorraine R. Reitzel and Joyce L. Carbonell published a meta-analysis in 2006 of nine studies of recidivism among juvenile sex offenders with a combined sample of 2,986 kids. The sex crime recidivism rate was 12.5 percent for young offenders tracked for an average of 59 months. The rate was 7.37 percent for kids who had taken a sex offender treatment program and 18.9 percent for those who had not.

A 2009 report by Robin Goldman of the Minnesota Department of Corrections compared two samples of 1,020 sex offenders released between 1999 and 2003. One group had taken an intensive sex offender treatment program and the other had not. The treated group had a 27 percent lower sex crime recidivism rate. The report concluded, “These findings are consistent with the growing body of research supporting the effectiveness
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I'm heading to bed now. I'll read this and respond tomorrow. Just didn't want you to think I'm ignoring you and I'm to tired to read haha! Thanks for posting that. I'm curious about it. But please remember, this question is about pedophiles and I will never believe those can change.
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Don't get me wrong .. In all honesty, personally, I would have a VERY difficult time trusting anyone who claimed to be rehabilitated. I know there are some pretty messed up people out there .. kids are far too precious to take a chance of a relapse.
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You got that right! I'll pull up the link in the morning. Thanks again.
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Thanks to all of you who have responded! This has been a really interesting conversation.
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This is a learning curve for me too, notbob .. I don't have a lot of knowledge about the subject. It's got me kind of curious .. I just found it easy to find information about sex offenders and pedophiles in terms of rehabiliation.
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Well for one thing this is talking about teens. I don't consider them pedophiles until adult. Many of them are abused and think that's normal. Their brains are not fully developed yet and CAN be taught.
It's a very small percent success rate. Have they just become smarter? There's groups of these people who help each other out you know. And they drug victims who then forget. I believe a perve can abstain for a while but eventually the urge will become to strong. They are a certain kind of evil that need to be destroyed.
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I need to correct a couple statements you made.
1) Rape is about violence.
2) Pedophilia is about being sexually turned on by a child. Not control. And not the same as rape.
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I was pointing out a fact that ... in fact .. pedophilia CAN be rehabilitated in some cases .. you adamantly claimed it couldn't be done at all.

And your correction on the Rape being about violence and pedophilia about sexual preference .. I stand corrected.
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Your right but I question the validity and how long the study and if they truly know they didn't. I do believe that teens are salvageable, not adults. It's like something comes over them Biker, something evil takes over. We will just have to agree to disagree I guess.
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They should die.

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No, I don't. I think the same for serious criminals (murder, etc.) They need to learn that they messed up and what they've done cannot be taken back. Many of them don't learn their lesson or don't care. :o

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Our law system sukks. >:(
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Yes the system does suck. And I tell you as somebody who had the unfortunate experience of dealing with it because of drugs, I assure you that many of the s*x offenders have had MUCH LESS punishment than did many thousands of people whose crimes were non violent, or whose crimes hurt nobody but themselves......I do not now, nor will I ever think it fair, nor will I understand it.
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No. Once a pedophile, always a pedophile. It's not something that can be fixed.

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There was an article not too long ago, that was very well written, on the subject, wish I could find it. Anyways, it had to do with defining pedophilia as a mental illness, rather than a criminal action. It also talked about the need to remove the stigma (at least to some degree), so that those who have these types of desires would be more willing to seek treatment. That way they'd be much less likely to actually act on those desires - which is really what we are trying to prevent in the first place.

Currently if someone even mentions the word, everyone freaks out (and rightfully so), but it definitely makes it that much harder for anyone to talk about it if they are trying to get help. So it may be a matter of changing how we think about the concept as a whole. The WebMD article actually is pretty decent on the subject as well if you want more information.

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I have always agreed that it is a mental illness. That being said, I wonder why more research hasn't been put into that aspect. There are many forms of mental illness that goes overlooked more often than people are aware of. I had actually heard of that "debate" going on within the medical professionals over the question of if it was a mental issue or not....I also have wondered if they were to study the brain of a pedophile and compared it to one that is not a pedophile, would it show a difference in a various sector of it. For instance, when they began to study those fighters who were never violent outside of the ring, yet turned violent (after all of the head injuries)...beating and even killing family members, commiting suicide, etc., The brains of those "injured" fighters showed a vast difference beside a normal one.....
Thanks for the insight Sephira. Quite interesting.
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I think even with all the advances we've had - mental illness in general is still such a HUGE taboo. And until society as a whole stops treating those who have it like something that's been scraped off the pavement, people who have it (unless they are really lucky to have an awesome support system in place) will always sort of get shuffled off into the corner, and ignored. Of course then when they crack, everyone laments the fact that no one ever helped them, but the fact is society doesn't really want to, they'd rather ignore it as long as possible.
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Chris made a post from slate months ago along those lines.
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They should be hung
they aren't changing and if they still hung people would that be a sufficient deturent for others to commit violent crimes?

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I think it's been pretty much proven that "hanging them all and letting God decide" fails pretty miserably in free society.
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Well let's just lock them up and waste money on them for the rest of there life
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They should be rehabilitated. Hell is already overcrowded from these people. Lawyers and politicians too.

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There must be levels of pedophilia. The ones who have no problem controlling their urges certainly shouldn't be locked away for life. On the other end, though, with repeat offenders, I guess? Might be best to remove those from the general population.

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95 percent of sex offenders are returned to the community. If there is no rehabilitation, we are in deep trouble. I only hope the professionals in the field are competent enough to identify those who are a risk of re-offending.

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No! I'm not a psychiatrist or anything, but from what I understand, pedophilia is not a condition that can be "fixed".
It's just bad wiring. You're broken.
Someone like that can NEVER be trusted anywhere near any children ever again in any capacity ever.
Period.
The risk is too high.

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NO!!!! Sex offenders are some of the worst people on earth in my opinion.

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I highly doubt it.

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They have tried to do this for many years with very little success. If the person is willing, I would give it a try but I surely would never allow them to be around children without someone there to make sure all is done to prevent even a temptation.

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I have studied this as a lawyer and the sad fact, told to me by a therapist who worked with pedophiles in prison, is there are only a very few that are rehabilitated, less than 5%. They can treat them with hormones and drugs and that lessens the drive, but there is no way to eliminate it. The best we can hope for is that they learn to control their urges...very challenging. While I believe we should try to have compassion for them, I find it extremely difficult to do so. Children are so precious and innocent that to harm them in any way is a crime completely intolerable in my opinion. Castration doesn't even solve the problem. I believe that in addition to the restrictions they currently have in place, pedophiles should go back to prison for at least a year if they fail to register or follow their probation in any way. If they are not on probation, they should have to wear a monitor anklet for the rest of their lives. At this time, this is unlawful, but I believe the laws should change. These horrid acts ruin childrens' lives, period. No excuses, no "treatments", no second chances--lock them up and throw away the key.

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Koichan, you were/are a lawyer?! Man! I'm not too surprised. You seem very bright, indeed! :)
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Somewhat to my chagrin, I was educated in the law. Thank you for your kindness, attorneys are not always treated with kindness. I did not practice privately after the first year, but went to work for the state as an administrative law judge. I always thought it was less stressful to know everything about a small area of law, instead of knowing a little about everything!
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yes, but if they have another offense, then they should be lock up for life.

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No, Nope, Nyte. Castrated YEP!

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