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Why do people support Obamacare?

I want to know why you feel it is a good idea. I'm not interested in the "it was based off Romneycare" stuff. I am not a supporter of or like Romney.

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Because they fail to realize the economic collapse that it is designed to facilitate.

On that other note of it being based off of RomneyCare, it is only loosely based, and RomneyCare worked well in Massachusetts due to how it was implemented, and the fact that the general populous of that state voted for it, meaning it truly was "by the people, for the people" in that state. However, this is not the case with ObamaCare, and the general populous did not approve of this in the first place.

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Well said.
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Thank you!
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great answer :)
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Very good
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"Well said"? What exactly did preppy boy say? That its not like Romneycare because its not like Romneycare?
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I made the pretty obvious point that ObamaCare is bad based upon policies which are not by the people and for the people, and that most who support it don't realize that it is meant to facilitate economic collapse. Most people wouldn't miss that unless they have a low literacy level or just don't know basic English.
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My English ain't too bad, but I also didnt see any explanation of or support for your wacky assertion that Obamacare is designed to wreck the economy, or even the more mundane one that Romneycare was better implemented. As to popularity, do the facts that Dems accepted Romneycare but Republicans didnt accept Obamacare reflect poorly on Obama or Republicans?
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@IMHO that's still hard for them to stomach, it's better if we don't mention RomneyCare...lol
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Why the heck should there be anything care what ever happened to pay the doctor in CASH
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They have made things too darn complicated
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IMHO, the economic collapse facilitation, as I have already said, is obvious, if you aren't smart enough to figure it out on your own, any evidence I present isn't really going to help you because it would be too much for you to understand, it's really a basic logic process. Also, I presented the exact argument as to why RomneyCare is better implemented, it was "by the people, for the people", the general populous of massachusttes wanted RomneyCare, the general population of the U.S, does not want ObamaCare.
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preppyboy they have no idea what economic crash your talking about. Their little minds can't handle it. But they will be the first at your door when the food runs out.
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lol, my second amendment rights will be quickly invoked at that point.
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No they will just stay in the city and burn it down
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And riot and cause mahem
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Preppy, excellent discussion but we try not to snidely call a person's intelligence into question. It's tempting, but divisive and hardly fair; sometimes, we need to explain it better and sometimes it's myopia, not intelligence.
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Obamacare was likely not designed to destroy the economy, any more than the Hindenburg was designed to explode.
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Two excellent comments, Shiny. Re the first, you left out one possibility, ie "sometimes we are wrong".
Re the second, the Hindenburg analogy is clever, but I think the real problem is that it left in place a system, which as Bud said, is too damn complicated. Single payer would be better.
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The explosive potential of Obamacare is my own contribution to this discussion. It's going to blow up the debt, our medical insurance, and our medical doctors (as they retire). It's unpopular and I for one am glad the democrats did this again, after Hillarycare was such a loser for them. It may single-handedly keep the Republican Party alive.
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Indeed, should the populace come to realize just how devastating it is and will be.

My uncle is an ER surgeon at the hospital he works at, and he brings some disturbing news that greatly affects many and is a terrible side-effect of Obamacare. He tells me that there are plans in many hos[itals now that they will be accepting far fewer patients on medicare. simply because of Obamacare and other such laws cause their service to be next to free and they can no longer afford to treat them. They lose money, hand over fist
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They don't; polls have consistently shown a lack of support for it. As the costs and problems (increase of costs and taxes for all except indigent, dropped coverage by employers) mount, I expect it will enter a critical phase next year, when the public may rise up and demand changes to it. Obviously the bill is massively expensive (will add $6.8 trillion to the public debt over 10 years, according to the CBO) and without major adjustment, will be a millstone around the next generation.

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Well, liberals are entitled to have and express opinions! I like it, the debate is fun.
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They are entitled. They just annoy me and are all over this site.
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Shiny, I appreciate that you're not afraid of a little debate.
Maybe you can share your wisdom re ad hominem attacks with preppy boy, see the comments following his answer.
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Re ad hominem ad hominem attacks^
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IMHO, happy to assist if its of any help. We try to not make personal attacks, they are counterproductive to debate.
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Thanks. The ironic thing is that while I was the victim -- no I'm not asking for damages -- of ad hominem attacks, my own answer here was removed. I asked ask.com about that, no response yet.
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I have several possible answers

-ignorance is bliss

-they gain something from it

-they were told to

-what preppy said

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They support it because they are uninformed. They believe the hype from the current administration. And it makes them feel good. They do not know how it will cost every American. They feel it is free. The same ones for it now will be the same ones fussing about it next year when they realise they too will have to pay.

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Exactly- great answer!
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TANSTAFLE there ain't no such thing as a free lunch
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Because they believe every American has the right to health care.

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And they do... Hi NeighborLady
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They do but you pay yours and I'll pay mine. Don't put a tax on me and raise my insurance premium 60%.
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And those who are uninsured or under insured are left on a cliff again...or still. We still pay the bill for those who cannot. The ACA allows for preventative care and shifts care out of emergency rooms.
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Preventive Care is so important NeighborLady ...
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Bigguy, why are you paying higher premiums?
Ladies, I agree there should be universal coverage, but why let the drug and device makers continue to make obscene profits; or the insurers, who are superfluous, make any profit? Why not Medicare for all, ie single payer?
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why do have to let others pay for our lives? or pay for someone else's? I thought that, based on the fact of equality, everyone has the capablity and God-given right to be able to make it in this world. Is this no longer true? Are we no longer responsible for our mistakes? Why are we teaching that you dont have to work to be able to get what you want?

furthermore, out country cannot remotely afford it. with the tremendous cost of national healthcare alone, the burden is heavy. Add on all of the other programs where we give out money and food and we have a problem. THrow in those exempt from taxes? thats a recipe for disaster that's been cooking for a long time. Somehow people can't see that
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We are already paying for people who don't or can't pay for healthcare in the form of higher insurance premiums and higher taxes. Perhaps now we can lower costs by encouraging people to practice preventative care instead of using an ER like a primary care office. You ask what we are teaching? I think we are teaching people to be compassionate and to spend our health care dollars more wisely then we have been. It would be wonderful if every single person could be employed and self supporting but that has never happened. We can help each other when we are down and out. We aren't going to let the indigent die on the street. At least most of us aren't ready for that.
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Well said, neighbor. I'd add that US health care is much more expensive than that of other countries, not only b/c uncovered people use the ER as primary care, but also b/c in almost all other countries the government negotiates lower prices for drugs and medical devices; and in some it cuts out the insurance co. middlemen. As to jobs, there'd be more if the government would borrow and spend more to create them -- since the private sector won't.
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So you'd rather jobs be magically fabricated and paid for with borrowed money we can never pay back and decrease the value of the dollar each time then allow capitalism (which this country was founded on) to run its course and offer them well paying ones? Interesting. The private sector will, and it has. But its hard for them to do under the strain of democratic policies.

Teaching compassion? not at all. Instead you are teaching more hatred and anger. In the form of the many you will disgruntle at the fact they must pay for others and that even if they work hard they are also supporting those who don't. It is eliminating class warfare becasue there will only be one class, and it will be class civil war.

Spending wisely is the opposite of what is happening, and those who spend unwisely will just have their pockets refueled by those who do.

There will never be unemployment, and there will never not be indignant dying in the streets. A nationwide system offers the least specific care and the least help. Private charities provide the most help to those who need it. They also help those in need to get back on their feet, rather than fueling laziness.

You profess us to be heartless, so heres a quote from Winston Churchill.

"anyone who's not a Liberal when they're 20 has no heart

anyone who's not a conservative when they're 30 has no brain"

You must be sensible with spending. Maybe one day national healthcare could be implemented, but now is not the time to do it. There is far too much debt to be implementing new costs
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As for the original post, every American does have the right to healthcare. but along with that goes the fact that every American has the right, and ample opportunity, to be able to pay for it themselves. Its common sense that you only buy what you can afford. If you can't afford, do without or make do
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The fact that so many in this country do live with no medical insurance and would be bankrupted if they had to pay for an appendectomy proves that what you say is not true. Most people live knowing health care is a luxury and a serious illness is a disaster. They don't feel they have a God given right to anything but the bills they will get. Even many WITH medical insurance still know they are one medical crisis away from homelessness. That isn't good for people and it isn't good for our country.
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Legolas, the financial crisis, which wiped out trillions of dollars in assets, such that demand decreased, such that the private sector was afraid to invest, such that jobs were lost and not created elsewhere, happened during the Bush presidency. That's not to say the crisis was all or even mostly his fault, just that you can't blame the private sector's failure to create jobs on democratic policies.
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And why don't you think the US can repay what it borrows? If that's the case, all those people lending the US money at 0 percent interest (inflation-adjusted) must be extremely stupid.
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And since we're quoting famous conservatives, here's one that's more relevant to what we're talking about:
"Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." -- Dick Cheney
Somehow your side forgets that when a Democrat's in the White House.
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It is true that to many, insurance is a luxury. but there is affordable coverage out there. If the private sector is allowed to flourish with no hinderance of these government programs that cut their gains, competition will lower their prices. What they "feel" cannot be helped. The expenses of medical bills are a threat we all face, but are actually made a heavier burden by the programs that have been heaped on. My uncle is a doctor at his local hospital, and he tells me due to all of these new programs, especially Obamacare, they will be reducing the ammount of medicare patients they accept. The LOSE money on them. So they have to either jack up the price on everyone else, or see less of them.

It is exactly demo0cratic policies. Increased taxes, increased regulations, and more. They hinder growth and job creation. I dislike Bush as much as the next guy, but Obama is making this worse. If we build confidence back into the private sector, they /will/ invest, and they /will/ create jobs. But its not just big businesses. Small businesses are getting /hammered/ by new taxes and policies. That is why they vote Republican too.

We cannot repay them if it has no money to repay them with. For the longest time we have been seen as one to trust and reliable, so they do. And quite frankly, are false in doing so. I am unsure where you got your little fact, it was my understanding that we pay trillions of dollars annually to China /just in interest/.

I did not know Dick Cheny was known as a "great leader". I dislike the whole Bush presidency. I see them comprable to LBJ.
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Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then, and Cheney was right about the danger of deficits being exaggerated. That doesn't make it smart to go into debt to finance a really dumb war. Based on what I've read, Bush and Cheney were eager for the Iraq war; while LBJ reluctantly escalated b/c he was afraid otherwise he'd be judged as "losing" Vietnam.
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*squirrel

Yes, it is exaggerated, but when you are trillions of dollars into it, it doesnt make an iota of sense to go and spend more. Deficit danger is exaggerated, which means its safe to work on reducing it.

Both presidents escalated war

both reduced trust in the government

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I guess squirrel makes more sense.
If the private sector would create jobs, the govt wouldn't need to run a deficit.
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Becase they think it's free (well for them anyways)

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I don't know anyone who believes the ACA is "free". What has been in place for the last 50+ years hasn't been free or effective either, especially for those who are uninsured or under insured.
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Well mabe they can make a subsidy for that to
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Ignorance and inability to understand the real impact it will have in this country.

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